back to article MI5 slapped on the wrist for 'serious' surveillance data breach

Home Secretary Sajid Javid has confessed to Parliament that MI5 bungled the security of "certain technology environments used to store and analyse data," including that of ordinary Britons spied on by the agency. In a lengthy Parliamentary statement made last week, Javid obliquely admitted that spies had allowed more people to …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

    Illegally obtained evidence should not be allowed in court. Even the Americans currently engaged in their "back to the stone age" drive realise that.

    Fruit of the poison tree.

    1. Bonzo_red

      Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

      The German tax authorities were more than happy to prosecute tax avoiders who had been stashing their loot in Swiss banks after the banks' data were stolen and sold to them.

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

      It wasn't illegal MI5 had a warrant,

      Name of suspect: Everyone

      Address: The universe

      Date: until the end of time

      Signed

      Every home secretary of both parties

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

        But they only check terrorists.

        Or people who could be terrorists.

        Or people who might be terrorists but we don’t know until they’re checked.

        You don’t want us to lose the war on terror do you? Sounds like something someone who might be a terrorist would say....

      2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

        Name of suspect: Everyone [1]

        [1] Except Politicians of the Right Sort, chums of POTRS, Old Etonians and people with lots and lots of cash, particularly those willing to share it with POTRS..

    3. Aodhhan

      Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

      Hate much?

      LOL Good grief.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

        It's more an example of attitude.

        If the police and security services feel that the laws don't apply to them and their job is to get around these fiddling legal niceities, then the people lose any trust in the system.

        Tried living in a country where the police are just the gang with the nicest uniforms? It doesn't lead to widespread social and economic good

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

      The trouble is, if you don't allow 'illegal' evidence, you get ridiculous situations where everyone knows that someone is guilty, but because the cops bungled some point of procedure, they're not allowed to prove it.

      Of course, if the evidence is illegally obtained, someone can still be punished for that even if the evidence is used.

      Plus, if I get to pick, I'd rather be nicked by a UK cop than an American one. Less chance of getting shot for starters.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

        >Of course, if the evidence is illegally obtained, someone can still be punished for that even if the evidence is used.

        Generally British courts take a more "lenient" view of illegal evidence than Americans who automatically throw out the case.

        There is a drug gang case on here that was just thrown out because the police held the suspects for 6 hours without allowing them to talk to a lawyer. The police reason was that they are a drug gang and their lawyer is a drug gang lawyer so allowing them to call him would mean that every other gang member would be alerted before they could be arrested.

        But if you allow this do you let the police interrogate some poor kid picked up with a joint for 6 hours , or 24 hours (or if they claim he is a terrorist 28days) without any rights ?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The real probelm is a legal system that rewards illegality.

          In general the rules are not complex and the police are trained in them.

          If you discover that they broke a rule the problem is that it's hard to know where it stopped. Broken custody chain leads to questions about whether the evidence was planted because the police "know" he did it anyway etc. etc.

  2. Teiwaz Silver badge

    So the secret Service is now more of a Public library.

    This country continues to go to the dogs.

  3. Anonymous South African Coward Silver badge

    So blighty+dog had the chance of playing 007?

  4. mj.jam

    Bungled security of what?

    Quietly ignoring the details of what environment this was. Maybe time will tell us whether this was an open MongoDB instance, a Amazon S3 bucket, ...

    1. iron Silver badge

      Re: Bungled security of what?

      Nah its just a very big csv file. It doesn't even have a header row!

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

        Re: Bungled security of what?

        Nah its just a very big csv file. It doesn't even have a header row!

        Of course not, that would be insecure.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Bungled security of what?

      We'll just have to wait for the Who, Me?.

  5. Jamie Jones Silver badge

    Taking back control

    "Given how notoriously lax UK law is when it comes to allowing state employees to trawl through whatever personal data they fancy with few meaningful prior permissions required "

    Don't worry. That's the EUs fault - they make all of our laws, afterall.

    It will all be sunshine and rainbows when we leave those fascist socialist nazi commies, the EU. It's true. That guy down the pub said the bloke on the TV said it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Taking back control

      In the UK we can vote in a government to repeal legal powers granted to these agencies. Once the EU transforms into a superstate with it's own security agencies, the EU electorate can do nothing to stop it because MEPs lack the power to propose changes to EU law. Effecting political change in the electorate's interest is more easily achieved with a smaller national electorate than across a large political union. If the British people don't take the power back while it's still possible, the EU electorate never will.

      Remember these are wartime agencies with temporary powers that should have been repealed long ago. Their powers were justified to defend against foreign spies, but now they collaborate with foreign agencies, against our own people.

  6. (func (param $db) (result void) drop $db)

    Can someone please reassure me that everyone and their dog haven't now seen all my dickpics? What kind of world is this that I can't send a dickpic to carefully selected recipients and be sure that only they have added them to their collection?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Trollface

      Yep. Send bitcoin or I'll forward the most embarrassing ones to members of your family who will be devastated by what you get up to.

    2. julian_n

      Ah. That explains the smirk on Theresa May's face.

    3. teebie

      I wondered why my dog looked so ill.

      And every time he says 'sausages' it is in such a mournful tone.

  7. Naich

    IPA prediction

    As one of the people who made comments in the IPA consultation saying it would be abused, can I just say "I TOLD YOU FUCKING SO".

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