Re: Makes sense
"Stop banging on about democracy. Even you don't believe it."
I do believe in democracy. Its not perfect but throughout the ages it has been shown to be the best way forward for the people living under it. That is why I consider it so important. It was even a strong part of the referendum too.
"It was a complete sham based on lies and illegal funding/promotion."
True. Both official campaigns were shameful and the fact that the power of government was even threatened to be used against us if we didnt vote to remain is seriously concerning. Lies and propaganda were bad enough but attempted coercion by our own government was not something we should be proud of.
"The goalposts have moved so much in the 2+ years"
Absolutely. We had a referendum to enact art50 immediately after the result and it was delayed. Then negotiations were stopped as May has tried to BINO and now stalling because parliament cant decide what kind of remain they want when the result was to leave. Some people even demanding more referendums until they get the right answer.
"Of course, you don't want another referrendum as you know you'll lose"
It wouldnt matter. This is the democracy part, we vote, we implement and after a time we could look to change things. Unfortunately some people seem to think democracy is to keep voting until it gives the 'right' answer and then stop.
"Democracy is what people want now, not in the past"
You might want to go back to school for that one sorry. We vote a political party in an election. We dont then immediately have another election because you dont like the result.
"The fact brexit hasn't happened yet is your problem. People have changed their minds."
it is a problem yes. For all of us. It means your opinion and mine and everyone else is worth nothing. We might as well have a dictator and give up on elections. That is the consequence of ditching democracy. You also claim people have changed their minds but then that is your opinion. We had a referendum and then even a GE and still we wanted to leave. Farage is polling high for the MEP elections.
"Why don't you tell us the real reason you want brexit?"
Because I believe its the right thing for the country. Economics, trade, democracy, sovereignty are all good reasons to leave.
"Are you ashamed?"
Of our government yes. Of the people demanding to overturn democracy yes. Of those determined to keep us trapped in the EU yes.
"If you cared about democracy you wouldn't be against another referrendum, after all, which ever side wins, democracy will have spoken."
Lets assume that is true and democracy would be served by another referendum. Then the same would apply to the referendum we already had on the same subject and it reflects the desires of those who voted. So democracy has already spoken, its time to listen.