back to article RIP: Microsoft finally pulls plug on last XP survivor... POSReady 2009

Windows XP has finally reached the end of the road, as the last supported variant - POSReady 2009 - is supported no more. Windows Embedded POSReady 2009 which, as its name suggests, is designed to run apps that shriek "Unexpected item in the bagging area" at shoppers as disinterested staff look on, finally reached the end of …

  1. Paul Johnston
    Angel

    It will never die!

    Well not here.

    Off the network I hasten to add running Electron Microscopes and other fun items!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It will never die!

      I'm still installing brand new scales in Tesco that run that POS. They all got hacked a few years ago but I don't think it's public knowledge.

      Anonymous, for the first time ever! I have arrived.

    2. asdf Silver badge

      Re: It will never die!

      Have a Windows 2000 laptop that will probably last another decade at least. Not worth spending big bucks for a laptop with a true serial comm port (fsck usb to serial garbage or other lame dongle solutions) when it does the job and because it never goes on the network (doesn't even have wireless lol) security worries are low. For serial instrumentation testing older is often better. The world doesn't always move as fast as people assume here in industry as yes rs232 communication at 9600 baud is still a thing. Be amazed how much stuff you own is made by machines relying on UART.

      1. Joe H.
        Coat

        Re: It will never die!

        UAR Totally correct.

      2. Trenjeska

        Re: It will never die!

        Indeed,

        even my new gaming inspired motherboard has a hardware serial port

        (bracket needs self supply)

  2. alain williams Silver badge

    I know places still installing them ...

    It is quite fortunate that none of them are places where you need to worry about security; eg: ATMs.

    1. macjules Silver badge

      Re: I know places still installing them ...

      Windows Embedded POSReady 2009 which, as its name suggests, is designed to run apps that shriek "Unexpected item in the bagging area"

      It's name suggests more than that. Being a Microsoft product my immediate interpretation was "Piece Of Sh..."

    2. rcxb

      Re: I know places still installing them ...

      How does that work? XP didn't get modern TLS protos and ciphers, so it blows up when you try to have any native programs connect to any modern servers. Firefox included their own, making web browsing is still possible, but even they dropped support for XP several versions back, so things are going to get ugly quite soon. IMHO, XP (and 2003) is fully in the same boat as Win2000, and past the point where it's less painful to savagely rip out those old systems immediately and disruptively, than it is trying to keep them limping along.

      1. GreenReaper

        Re: I know places still installing them ...

        POSReady got the updates to provide later versions of TLS up to 1.2 and support of SHA-256, etc. Just about the same time parts of the U.S. government started mandating TLS 1.2, as I recall.

        One thing they did not get is architecturally-disruptive fixes for Meltdown and Spectre.

  3. bombastic bob Silver badge
    Unhappy

    ReactOS (as the new XP)

    this has a good potential for becoming "a thing" but still isn't close to being ready for use by anyone other than an experimenter...

    Too bad, because if they got SERIOUS about it, it could compete with windows. Maybe it could sell for HALF the price of Win-10-nic [including new computer installs], support indefinitely, remain open source, and keep the 3D SKEUOMORPHIC look. Who knows it could even run various start menu plugins and skins so that it looks like your favorite windows version, or even "theme" like Win-10-nic for the hardcore 2D FLATTY McFLATFACE advocates...

    Yeah, "dream on", right?

    When I consider my brief exposure to the world of paid Wine developers, and realized they're just hiring the wrong people due to the project management just NOT having a clue as to who the best people ARE, and consider ReactOS's close ties with the Wine project, I see a likelihood of it being a lot of 'academically arrogant' engineers who are focused on dotting the 'i' and crossing the 't' and using all of the right key words and tricky phrases [like that's who they're looking for], and NOT hiring people who are literally HACKERS that are willing and likely to come up with unique solutions to problems... and maybe work for 80 hours per week on salary simply because it's interesting, and GET THINGS DONE.

    [such hackers are the kinds of engineers, as I understand it, that made the Windows OS work to begin with, but not any more 3 decades later, which is why we have Win-10-nic]

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

      If you wanted to support specific application S/W and interface to some specific item of H/W then taking an open source O/S and doing whatever might be necessary to ensure compatibility might be a good line to take.

      1. big_D Silver badge

        Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

        But it would also still need patching...

        I worked a company that were still kicking out SUSE 7 from 2001 on their new servers to their customers in 2015! Because it is Linux, so it doesn't need security patches! They only switched to an ageing CentOS because the new SCSI RAID controller's driver refused point blank to work with such an old Kernel and the old controllers weren't being made any longer.

    2. Solarflare

      Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

      Too bad, because if they got SERIOUS about it, it could compete with windows. Maybe it could sell for HALF the price of Win-10-nic [including new computer installs],support indefinitely, remain open source,

      But that's a bad thing...Not knowing at what point the support will end is terrible from a risk and financial point of view, you know, the two biggest gatekeepers that you have to get passed in order to get new kit.

      1. TechnicalBen Silver badge

        Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

        How do you self for half the price of free?

        (I know how, free + no slurp)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

          wait what? w10 is free?

          why did i just pay £15 on ebay?

    3. Martipar

      Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

      What tosh, i first heard of ReactOS in about 2007, I was excited, i was still vaguely interested in 2010 by 2015 i'd lost all hope and interest. ReactOS may be ready for release before I expire but i doubt it greatly.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

        then quit reacting to it, maybe?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

        > by 2015 i'd lost all hope ...

        After ReactOS migrated to GitHub (end of 2017), development pace picked up substantially.

        It's doing fairly well these days.

        If they do ever begin to complete with MS though, I'd expect they'll have legal and/or hosting problems in short order. Even if the legal ones are completely fabricated, they'd likely be enough to stop the project.

    4. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

      Bob, wtf is "Win-10-nic"? I can't find a reference to it anywhere. Do you mean the 'N edition' (which comes without a default media player etc.)? Because the N edition is just a special version of whatever windows edition (eg home, pro) that you buy.

      1. imanidiot Silver badge

        Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

        I think he's trying to be clever and make a Titanic joke. As in Wintennic. *monotonous robot voice* get it? haha, very funny indeed. */robot voice*

      2. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

        wtf is "Win-10-nic"

        A reference to windows 10 as the Titanic. It's a term I did not invent but I nearly always use, when referring to Windows 10, because, in all too many ways, it's like the Titanic, damn the icebergs, full speed ahead! Why else would Micro-shaft continue with the slurp, the ads, the 2D FLATTY McFLATFACE, and so on, unless they were completely CLUELESS as to how much those "features" are HATED ?

        1. Cuddles Silver badge

          Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

          "A reference to windows 10 as the Titanic. It's a term I did not invent but I nearly always use, when referring to Windows 10, because, in all too many ways, it's like the Titanic"

          The Titanic is primarily famous for one very specific thing - it sank on its first voyage, despite all the hype regarding how good it was. Windows 10, on the other hand, is quite notable for not having sunk at all despite all the fuss about how terrible it is. It's not relevant how justified said fuss may be, or how much you personally dislike certain things about it, calling it silly names to compare it to something that is almost its exact opposite is almost as bad as calling it such a poorly constructed silly name that no-one can even figure out what you're talking about.

          "Why else would Micro-shaft continue with the slurp, the ads, the 2D FLATTY McFLATFACE, and so on, unless they were completely CLUELESS as to how much those "features" are HATED ?"

          Because as long as people buy and use their products and the money keeps rolling in, they don't give a shit about how much people whine about things on the internet. They know EXACTly how much "those" features are {hated}, they simply have no reason to care unless it actually impacts their bottom line.

          1. oldcoder

            Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

            That is what the power of a monopoly can do.

        2. JJKing Bronze badge
          WTF?

          Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

          WTF is a 2D FLATTY McFLATFACE?

          1. whitepines Silver badge
            Joke

            Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

            WTF is a 2D FLATTY McFLATFACE?

            slang, noun: An animal that has been completely flattened by repeated collisions with road traffic.

            alt: Late 2010 UX/UI design, see also Windows 10

            1. phuzz Silver badge
              Meh

              Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

              I always saw it as harking back to the 2D era of Windows 3.1 or early Macintosh OS (System 1-6ish). Interfaces were flat, long before they were skeuomorphic.

    5. oldcoder

      Re: ReactOS (as the new XP)

      Part of the problem with hackers is that they would tend to dissasemble Windows binaries to find out how they work in the first place.

      That causes problems with the need for a "clean room" reimplementation to avoid the "copyright infringement" claims that would block its use, and pretty much kill the project.

  4. chivo243 Silver badge
    Windows

    End of an era...

    Bye bye XP. It was nice knowing ya!

    RIP

    1. Maelstorm Bronze badge
      Pint

      Re: End of an era...

      Damn you. You stole my post. LOL.

      Great minds do think alike.

      Here's a toast to you.

    2. Version 1.0 Silver badge

      Re: End of an era...

      As you can see from a multitude of posts, it's not going to be the end of an era. Western world folks can afford to keep buying new versions of Windows but out there in the rest of the world many people and organizations don't either have the money or care. We continue to support our software under XP because there are a lot of students in the third world that don't have a choice - we have new versions that run all the way up to W10 but we're not going to drop support for XP - so I still have XP machines running too.

    3. JJKing Bronze badge
      Angel

      Re: End of an era...

      Don't feel sad, it lives on in my VM Server and in Windows 7 as XPMode (where you can use USB devices in the VPC unlike in Hyper-V). There is indeed life after death. Muhahahahaha!

  5. defiler Silver badge

    She was a good ship

    Very dated nowadays, but brought a sea change in the security of Windows. And you could use it as your daily driver, even if you played lots of games (I ran XP x64, and it never skipped a beat).

    1. big_D Silver badge

      Re: She was a good ship

      With SP 2, yes. The original XP was a security disaster.

      1. defiler Silver badge

        Re: She was a good ship

        Well, yeah. That goes without saying.

        Like NT4 before SP3.

        Like Win95 before OSR2.

        Like Win98 before SE.

        Like WinME before we all burned it and danced on its ashes.

        1. macjules Silver badge

          Re: She was a good ship

          Might I just add Windows Vista. But no 'like' as Vista was a complete disaster from day one and remained that way.

          1. A.P. Veening

            Re: She was a good ship

            Might I just add Windows Vista. But no 'like' as Vista was a complete disaster from day one and remained that way.

            They gave the service pack for Vista its own name: Windows 7.

            1. GreenReaper

              Re: She was a good ship

              Sure. But they also shipped it as a service pack for Vista. Likewise, Vista SP2 was effectively Win7 SP1. There was a feature pack bringing many Win7 low-level features over too.

              Once patched and on hardware that properly supported either OS, they were largely the same. That's what made it so frustrating when people started dropping support for Vista with XP, rather than with Win7.

              1. defiler Silver badge

                Re: She was a good ship

                Sssh - we don't talk about the time that Vista finally became worthwhile. Mostly because we'd all moved on or back by that point.

                I heard that it you stand in front of a mirror, close your eyes, and say "Windows Vista Ultimate" five times, it appears behind you, nagging for a license key.

                1. JJKing Bronze badge
                  Facepalm

                  Re: She was a good ship

                  Just click you heels together 3 times and you no longer have that vista in the windows anymore Toto.

                2. JJKing Bronze badge
                  WTF?

                  Re: She was a good ship

                  Just click your heels 3 times and you no longer have that vista in your windows Toto.

          2. JJKing Bronze badge
            FAIL

            Re: She was a good ship

            I installed Vista on Virtual PC and thought it ran really well and was impressed. That opinion changed rapidly when it went onto actual hardware that required specific drivers for the devices on the machine. Reminded me greatly of the Windows 2000 rollout and lack of driver support.

        2. gkroog
          Linux

          Re: She was a good ship

          Wasn't Windows ME just repackaged 98? Ah, I remember 98...it would hang, and then I'd push reset, and it would hang on startup.

          Fun times.

          1. David 132 Silver badge

            Re: She was a good ship

            Not quite. ME was a stopgap for consumers, a halfway house between the old DOS+shell world of 9x and the modern, shiny, but oh-so-resource-heavy by comparison, world of NT (64MB RAM needed! the horror!)

            In practical terms, what that meant was that they ripped out access to the underlying DOS (it was still there but you couldn’t exit out of Windows to it), put in some DirectX stuff... and ended up with an OS that combined all the games compatibility of NT with the renowned stability of 95.

            All this is IIRC of course and it’s possible that the years have made me more cynical about it.

            1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
              Boffin

              Re: She was a good ship

              Basically, they started with two lines: 98 and NT.

              They decided to combine the two, so took all the good bits of 98 and all the good bits of NT and put them together. They sold that as Windows 2000. They put all the other bits together and foisted that on people as Windows ME.

              I think the idea was for 2000 to be targeted at businesses and people who generally wanted their computer to work, and for ME to be sent to consumer OEMs and PC World.

              1. Kiwi Silver badge
                Windows

                Re: She was a good ship

                It's like people paying £££s at the market, for dodgy, broken, fuzzy, badly filmed pirate DVDs... Like, when good quality content is available legally for good prices (second hand stores!) or free (going to a friends) they'd rather pay cash, for trash.

                Reminds me of the movie "Twins". One got all the good bits, the other was not so blessed.

                (We could do with a Nostalgia icon El Reg!)

              2. Jude Bradley

                Re: She was a good ship

                Ah come on. Windows ME was good for one thing - the Windows CEmeNT joke floating around in the 90's would never have taken off. https://images.app.goo.gl/9BP6gKY8HAnrGJpQ6

            2. MJI Silver badge

              Re: She was a good ship

              Ah

              Windows Myalgic Encephalomyelitis

              Absolute junk

              We had one at work, it was crap. I was on 98 then XP then 7, ME user went to Vista then 8.

          2. defiler Silver badge

            Re: She was a good ship

            In my home computer*, DOS6.22 was fine, Win95, OSR2, Win98, 98SE, NT4, 2000, XP x64, Win7, Win10, Slackware (2?), Xubuntu 12, OS/2 Warp 3 were all fine.

            Windows ME wouldn't boot unless I took out my Diamond Monster Sound MX300 (not exactly an obscure card). ME was different enough to break for me. :-/

            *My computer's like Trigger's brush. It's had the motherboad and CPU changed 8 times, the case changed 3 times and the hard discs changed 6 times, but it's still the same PC I've had for over 25 years!

        3. JJKing Bronze badge
          Flame

          Re: She was a good ship

          My dick boss though ME was the bees knees and rolled it out on all the PCs on site. As a result I quit and said he was an idiot. Three months later he called me up and asked how to use Ghost to roll out the XP image I had made before his idiotic act. The total and complete twat couldn't work out how to use Ghost as well as doing a network install of Office (and other software).

          I used to enjoy working there before he showed up in his bloody BMW and golf handicap that he said was low enough for him to turn pro.......wanker!

  6. Snorlax

    Hardware requirements

    "While Microsoft cheerfully suggests that a move to Windows 10 or Windows 10 Pro is in order for POSReady 2009 machines, the hardware is unlikely to enjoy the experience, so those with the devices might be better just swapping out the equipment."

    I thought that Windows 10 IoT Enterprise was the spiritual successor to WePOS?

    Hardware reqs aren't all that different apart from RAM @2Gb minimum, but any POS terminal made in the last 7 or 8 years came with that as standard anyway.

    1. Waseem Alkurdi Silver badge

      Re: Hardware requirements

      Tried installing Windows 10 on your average run-of-the-mill laptop with HDD?

      Believe me, 10 is a f***ing resource hog.

      It's just yesterday that I installed Windows 10 for someone on a laptop with a i7-3xxxQM, 6 GB of RAM, and a rust spinner.

      Windows 8, which it shipped with, ran a kazillion times faster than that piece of shit called 10. That selfsame laptop is to return for a reinstall of 8.1 a few days later.

      Anecdotal, but in my case, it's fact. I'm sticking with 8.1 + Classic Shell for Windows installs until 2023.

      TL;DR: Some modern laptops won't run 10 ... How would an aging POS terminal with a standard-back-then 160 GB 5400 RPM rust spinner run it?

      1. anthonyhegedus Silver badge

        Re: Hardware requirements

        I'd give you a thumbs-up for saying that Windows 10 is useless with a rust-spinner HDD, but a thumbs-down for admitting that you run windows 8.1 with classic shell.

        You need to install windows 10 and an SSD. Or stop using computers.

        I have spoken.

        1. Waseem Alkurdi Silver badge

          Re: Hardware requirements

          I don't do Windows on my personal laptop (Linux + SSD), but how about others?

          Don't tell me to:

          - Get them onto SSDs (some really can't be bothered -or- they'd think you're too incompetent to do w/o the extra spending and don't want to listen to mumbo-jumbo justifications, even when dumbed-down)

          - Get them onto Linux (you haven't seen the folk I deal with)

          - Get them onto 10 + HDD (told you why)

          Any other solution in your opinion? 8.1 is actually still supported w/ updates until 2023, so it is secure.

          1. Snorlax

            Re: Hardware requirements

            "Get them onto Linux (you haven't seen the folk I deal with)"

            lol, Linux. Right, that's nearly as barmy as the people suggesting ReactOS as a solution.

            POS software is by and large written for Windows. Nobody's gonna rewrite for Linux and WINE is fine for playing games or doing a bit of Photoshop, but I wouldn't run a business on it.

            Linux might be fine for your nan's computer, but a retail business needs to be able to rely on support.

            If the tills go titsup on a Saturday afternoon, you can't log onto an Ubuntu support forum in the hope that some well-intentioned nerd is gonna help you.

            1. defiler Silver badge

              Re: Hardware requirements

              Linux is fine for running an astonishing amount of the Internet.

              There's no reason why you couldn't run a POS system on Linux. None at all. It's a tool for a job, like a Ford next to a Vauxhall. You get them set up right, you can use either for racing, towing a caravan or getting laid.

              And if a company offers a POS system on Linux, it's up to them to support it on a Saturday. And if you don't have a helpline for your POS, you're not doing it right.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Hardware requirements

                @Snorlax, I was replying to @anthonyhegedus, so "them" here means "the friends who bring their laptops in to me for a mate's once-over", not a POS.

                As @defiler suggests above, it's perfectly sensible to run Linux on a POS.

                However, your point still stands. You don't just shove Ubuntu and say your prayers. You would run a super-stable distro that is backed by a support contract and a 24x7 service level, which is how companies like Red Hat and Oracle make money from Linux. And it pays them a lot, in fact, it pays them so much that these have become megacorps from paid Linux support.

                1. james_smith

                  Re: Hardware requirements

                  You would run a super-stable distro that is backed by a support contract and a 24x7 service level

                  I worked for a successful company whose POS software runs on Debian - no contract with RedHat, SuSE or any other Linux vendor. It was written in Java, runs on OpenJDK, and they've never had a problem with the operating system that needed "upstream" support.

            2. bombastic bob Silver badge
              Stop

              Re: Hardware requirements

              "If the tills go titsup on a Saturday afternoon, you can't log onto an Ubuntu support forum in the hope that some well-intentioned nerd is gonna help you."

              Uh, you've heard of COMMERCIAL Linux distros like Red Hat, right?

            3. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Hardware requirements

              You do realise there's such a thing as commercial Linux support?

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Hardware requirements

            Is that you Steve B?

          3. PrivateCitizen

            Re: Hardware requirements

            8.1 is actually still supported w/ updates until 2023, so it is secure.

            Well, you might be better saying it can be patched rather than it is secure.

            Windows 10 has a raft of security enhancements which you will be missing out (e.g. Credential Guard etc) and a lot of controls which you'd need to implement other software to replicate.

            All things being the same, a fully patched Win8.1 box is not as "secure" against a typical range of threats as a fully patched Win10 box.

            1. whitepines Silver badge
              FAIL

              Re: Hardware requirements

              However, a W10 box is vulnerable to two new classes of threat:

              1.) Confidential data mishandling by Microsoft or its third party partners; said confidential data transmitted off the local machine (where it belongs) via "telemetry"

              2.) More of a DoS type attack, but it's vulnerable to remote updates from Microsoft (or hackers with the correct stolen signing keys) that do such wonderful things as delete all data on the machine, silently corrupt files, or decide to quietly turn telemetry back up to Max (see point 1 above).

              It's reached the point where an insecure W10 machine is any machine that can still talk to Microsoft. Not a good place to be.

              1. PrivateCitizen

                Re: Hardware requirements

                So, what I am reading is that you think Win8 doesnt send telemetry back to Microsoft or that you think its normal for people to be able to properly disable this. I am assuming this expands the set of normal users to also include people who dont use any MS products produced in the last six year.

                The same with the DOS type attack. This is not a typical range of threats. Yes, they are in some people's threat models but for most users, preventing trivial credential theft is probably a better option.

                The reality is that no software is perfect so everything is balancing out one challenge vs another. If the telemetry issue is enough to declare Win10 "insecure", then I'd love to see the threat model that determines any computing environment is not insecure.

                Just to clarify, I did say a fully patched Win8.1 box is less secure than a fully patched Win10 box. You may feel that the MS C2 channel means the win10 box is still insecure, but that doesnt change anything.

          4. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
            Facepalm

            Re: Hardware requirements

            If they aren't prepared to spend the small amount of money on an SSD to improve their experience of using their computer, why should YOU bother wasting YOUR time refurbishing THEIR computer.

            You're basically making your time worth less to them than the cost of an SSD, and I wouldn't sell myself out that cheaply.

            For mainstream consumers: Windows 10 on an SSD, or STFU

            1. Kiwi Silver badge
              Trollface

              Re: Hardware requirements

              For the price of a SSD I can get easily 10x the storage on rust.

              For the speed improvement I ditch windoze and run a full-fat Linux. Hell, I could probably boot Linux faster over a 1200/75 modem than I could get winduhs to run off a SSD.

          5. Prst. V.Jeltz Silver badge

            Re: Hardware requirements

            "I don't do Windows on my personal laptop (Linux + SSD), but how about others?"

            I run linux (mint) on my garage laptop , it has 2 jobs:

            play music planetrock website

            play car repair related youtube videos

            its intermittent failure rate is far higher than windows , due to codecs and things

            I am not at all optimistic about job 3:

            run a blutooth odbc2 reader into a free diagnostic program..

            1. Waseem Alkurdi Silver badge

              Re: Hardware requirements

              You probably mean OBD-II (the automotive diagnostic port), not ODBC (the Microsoft database thingy).

              You can, but I'd recommend a USB one instead (one point of failure instead of two). Read up on the types (especially ELM327 clones that you'd probably be seeing a lot).

              As for the codecs, doesn't Ubuntu + nonfree codecs package work? My laptop works fine, even on YouTube, not sure whether I have the nonfree codecs package, but it works.

              1. Kiwi Silver badge
                Pint

                Re: Hardware requirements

                As for the codecs, doesn't Ubuntu + nonfree codecs package work?

                I've not had any trouble with more obscure A/V codecs under Linux either. Think it's been some 10 years since I saw anything outside of what came via the normal package manager.

                OTOH, I've had lots of trouble getting stuff for Windows machines, especially some of the older and more obscure codecs out there.

        2. AMBxx Silver badge
          Holmes

          Re: Hardware requirements

          Windows 10 does seem to be slowing down. Is this an early indication that there will be a Windows 11 ready to fix everything?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Hardware requirements

            >Windows 10 does seem to be slowing down. Is this an early indication that there will be a Windows 11 ready to fix everything?

            It's an age thing, just like those 12 year olds whizzing past you on the ski slopes while you are snow ploughing like a vicar being careful not to get a fracture due to osteoporosis or some other age related condition.

            1. Prst. V.Jeltz Silver badge

              Re: Hardware requirements

              does that analogy add up?

              do the 12 year olds have w10?

              or are the 12 year olds fresh installs that havent had itunes and mcafee installed on it yet?

              ....and why does my pc (the one without an SSD) take longer to start up than the 486 i had 25 years ago?

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Hardware requirements

            @AMBxx

            I'd imagine something like the good ol' development reset of Longhorn.

            However, this slowdown would help drive PC sales ... I even tend to think at times that this slowdown is intentional as to drive forward stagnating PC sales figures.

          3. LDS Silver badge
            Devil

            Re: Hardware requirements

            Probably not until MS is slapped with a huge GDPR fine and has to remove telemetry....

            1. Waseem Alkurdi Silver badge

              Re: Hardware requirements

              They seem not to be bothered by GDPR ... Facebook's just had a deal with the European regulator for that (there was a headline about it on these pages), so why not M$?

        3. Bond007

          Re: Hardware requirements

          "You need to install windows 10 and an SSD. Or stop using computers"

          What a ridiculous comment to make!

          I couldn't give you the specs (because I don't currently know them), but I'm using a Dell laptop with Windows 10 with a normal SATA HDD (NOT SSD), and so far, it does what I need it to do.

          You have spoken all right, a complete load of ********!

        4. bombastic bob Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: Hardware requirements

          "You need to install windows 10 and an SSD. Or stop using computers."

          You forgot to say "get out of the stone age, grampa, and get a MODERN operating system" or something equally pejorative.

          (so typical of win-10-nic fans, to be so smug about it)

          1. RyokuMas Silver badge
            Facepalm

            Re: Hardware requirements

            "so typical of win-10-nic fans, to be so smug about it"

            ...

            ...

            ...

            "We're actually SMARTER than the average Win-10-nic user."

            Pot. Kettle.

        5. JJKing Bronze badge
          Happy

          Re: Hardware requirements

          I have spoken.

          I have mistyped.

          TFTFY

        6. N2 Silver badge

          Re: Hardware requirements

          "I have spoken"

          conceited plonker

      2. Snorlax

        Re: Hardware requirements

        "Tried installing Windows 10 on your average run-of-the-mill laptop with HDD?"

        Yeah I have as a matter of fact.

        What you neglected to notice is that I was talking about POS terminals, not laptops.

        I've not worked with a POS terminal since about 2012 that came with a HDD installed. They use SSDs as they're generally powered on 24/7 and don't write much to disk locally.

        And even if they did use spinning disks, it would still be cheaper to upgrade to SSD and migrate to Windows 10 IoT than chuck the lot in the skip and buy new gear.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hardware requirements

        "Windows 8, which it shipped with, ran a kazillion times faster"

        Interesting. I run Gentoo Linux on an Acer aspire 725 which came with Windows 8 installed.

        With windows 8, it was so slow as to be almost unusable due to a completely inadequate amount of RAM. It was "mostly OK" running Lubuntu.... With Gentoo, (when it's not compiling itself) it's good enough for my needs; web browsing, watching cat videos, writing documents, designing simple odds and ends with FreeCAD. (the latter is an Appimage version, don't ask...)

        1. Waseem Alkurdi Silver badge

          Re: Hardware requirements

          Good choice ... Lubuntu runs well because it's properly designed with a suitable set of lightweight packages, unlike Windows.

          You didn't mention the specs of the machine concerned ... it seems to be an Acer Aspire One 735 with an AMD C-60 CPU and 4 GB of RAM. The RAM is adequate (mine is 4 GB as well, yet runs both W8 and W10 well when I want them) ... it's the CPU (this line compares to an Intel Atom) and the HDD (a friggin' 5400 RPM unit as reviewed!) which killed it. The other laptop in question, however, has a high-performance HQ spec Core i7, 6 GB, and a (IIRC) 7200 RPM rust spinner. Your laptop would probably choke with Windows 10 ... the other laptop barely runs it without lag.

          My advice? Get an SSD! ^_^

          The difference is night and day, and with the laptop's good size and (probably) good battery life, you need that.

          1. druck Silver badge

            Re: Hardware requirements

            Acer Aspire One 735 with an AMD C-60 CPU and 4 GB of RAM

            Luxury! Try a 2010 era HP netbook with a pathetic Atom N450 and 2GB RAM - the maximum allowed. If it wasn't running Linux Mint with Mate from a SSD off ebay, it would be inadequate even as a doorstop.

      4. The Dogs Meevonks

        Re: Hardware requirements

        I had to install W10 Pro a couple of months ago, new gaming rig and need DX12 support which W7 Pro didn't have.

        One of the first things I did was install classic shell to adjust the look of the shitty W10 UI... Set it to metered connection, installed a few bits of software to help lock it down as best as possible. Find out how to delete and uninstal certain baked in apps. Install the W7 games so you don't have to suffer the ads in frickin solitairre.. and it's now how I want it.. or at least how I can tolerate it.

        But F*ck microsoft... they went from making decent OS to a POS because that's what I immediately thought POS2009 meant... Because since 2009 all they've made are POS.

        1. whitepines Silver badge
          Devil

          Re: Hardware requirements

          One of the first things I did was install classic shell to adjust the look of the shitty W10 UI... Set it to metered connection, installed a few bits of software to help lock it down as best as possible. Find out how to delete and uninstal certain baked in apps. Install the W7 games so you don't have to suffer the ads in frickin solitairre.. and it's now how I want it.. or at least how I can tolerate it.

          Same, but from a corporate angle:

          I've seen the results of a W10 default install blocked at the firewall. It's amazing how many different off-site servers and services W10 constantly tries to access. That particular report got the W10 boxen running legacy software permanently firewalled at the edge from both external and most internal resources (including being relocated to a special physical network segment)...and the (quite expensive, now considered legacy since it's Windows only) software they host on a fast track to replacement from a different vendor that supports Linux.

          It won't hit Microsoft's bottom line just yet, but in a few years...if everyone starts doing the same...it won't just be Microsoft hurt badly, but also any vendors idiotic enough to make their software Windows-only.

          Oops.

      5. Sgt_Oddball Silver badge

        Re: Hardware requirements

        It works just fine and dandy on my old lenovo x200t (though I have just upgraded to an ssd) and even had it running acceptably on a 15 year old Sony (albeit 32bit edition).

        1. Waseem Alkurdi Silver badge

          Re: Hardware requirements

          The SSD would explain the ThinkPad tablet (I know a university lecturer who has one, and it runs Windows 10 just fine) ... yet the 15-year-old Sony is intriguing ... that's a laptop from 2003! Are you sure it doesn't have an SSD, or at least a 7200 RPM rust drive?

      6. JJKing Bronze badge
        Angel

        Re: Hardware requirements

        Acer Aspire V3 571G, (i7 quad core + HT, 8GB RAM, 750GB spinning rust) took 2 minutes and 37 seconds to boot after a forced Win$hit 10 upgrade. Installed an SSD, Windows 8.1 PLUS Classic Shell and with all the same software took 16 seconds from a cold boot. Yes the SSD made a difference but at least it wasn't weighed down with all the Win$hit 10 crap and isn't 10 supposed to "boot" from a Sleep Mode loading everything from RAM to make it appear that it boots faster?

        We are so lucky that the 1809 update made it out on schedule and no problems. Geez, just about need to get myself a new keyboard after that bullshit.

    2. simonlb

      Re: Hardware requirements

      'Microsoft cheerfully suggests that a move to Windows 10 or Windows 10 Pro is in order'

      I've already cheerfully suggested they fuck off with that shit! I have better things to do.

      1. whitepines Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Hardware requirements

        I've already cheerfully suggested they fuck off with that shit! I have better things to do.

        Like upgrading to Linux?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Rest. In. Peace.

    I'm close to tears.

    To some, XP was another annoyance, like 10 these days.

    To me, it's a nostalgia-filled memory from my earliest days in life.

    Like classic Macs, Commodore 64, Atari, and dunno, OS/2, to other people.

    1. anthonyhegedus Silver badge

      Re: Rest. In. Peace.

      No it wasn't, it was a childishly coloured hateful bloody thing which acted like a virus-magnet

      1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

        Re: Rest. In. Peace.

        childishly coloured hateful bloody thing

        By default yes, but you could easily preserve your sanity by switching it to classic Windows 2000 look.

        Why oh why don't companies offer that sort of theme-choice now?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Rest. In. Peace.

          When the breakins were migrating into my neighborhood a while back I convinced the cheque signer to allow me to change everyone's desktop wallpapers and screen savers to the only slightly annoying 95 set .... Miscreants skipped our unit and hit those either side of us.

          Note: full glass frontage and security bars on all units. We don't have blinds or tinting so open for all to see compared to some of the other units.

          Made for some interesting chat at the local timmies the following week.

          Annon just in case

          1. GrapeBunch Bronze badge

            Re: Rest. In. Peace.

            "timmies"

            We know where you are.

        2. gerdesj Silver badge
          Linux

          Re: Rest. In. Peace.

          Why oh why don't companies offer that sort of theme-choice now?

          My KDE desktop looks exactly how I want it to and it has "lock widgets". That last feature means that on my wife's laptop, her icons don't *cough* inexplicably *cough* run away and hide behind the cat. Major win.

      2. robidy

        Re: Rest. In. Peace.

        Wow, you miss Windows ME that much.

      3. bombastic bob Silver badge
        FAIL

        Re: Rest. In. Peace.

        "childishly coloured" you could change that, you know... [like Win 2k appearance in the start menu]

        Whereas, you CAN! NOT! CHANGE! THAT! 2D! FLATTY! McFLATFACE! FLUGLY! FLATSO! appearance in Win-10-nic. Or get rid of the ads/slurp/store/start-thing/forced-updates [particularly on 'Home' versions] without some major hoop jumping that doesn't seem to work very well. 'Classic Shell' and other start menu replacements are lipstick on the non-oinky end of the boar. You still have 'Settings' (since Control Panel does less and less these days) to deal with...

        and no 'metered connection' option for ethernet, last I checked.

    2. simonlb

      Re: Rest. In. Peace.

      Having used it daily for over twelve years in my previous two jobs I found it to be a reliable workhorse which did everything I needed it to do without any drama and fuss (although I did change the desktop to Classic mode and set it for best performance.)

      As I was providing 24/7 support in my last job I would also leave the machine switched on all the time so I could remote in to access it at whatever time of day and it invariably carried on working fine with no issues, with a reboot every three or four weeks.

      Yes it was well out-of-date these past few years and only 32-bit, but I will always have a fondness for it because it worked well and did everything that was required of it reliably and consistently.

      By comparison, my former home Win7 machines and my daily driver Win10 laptop have been nowhere near as stable, with the Win10 UI being so messed up that it impedes my productivity most of the time and also tends to need at least one reboot during the day when I'm working from home because the networking breaks for no good reason and never recovers.

      Yes, RIP Win XP.

      1. Ahosewithnoname

        Re: Rest. In. Peace.

        If you work in tech and your productivity is really hampered by Win10's UI then I'd suspect said productivity wasn't that great in the first place.

        1. whitepines Silver badge
          Paris Hilton

          Re: Rest. In. Peace.

          If you work in tech and your productivity is really hampered by Win10's UI then I'd suspect said productivity wasn't that great in the first place.

          Actually, from your apparent like of it I'd suspect that your "productive day" involves lots of chatting with Cortana and using Facebook etc. So either you're wasting the company's money or you're going to be automated out of a secretarial job soon. Oh wait, I guess that isn't an "or".

          Whereas I work in an IT / engineering job, and most of my coworkers have found W10's UI enough of an impediment that it's actually easier to switch to Linux and use, in some cases, inferior software than to put up with W10. Plus security policy in some places now says W10 cannot connect to Internet due to telemetry, so that can also impede one's work somewhat.

  8. Velv Silver badge
    Coffee/keyboard

    I'll see your XP and raise you an NT4

    Had to logon to a pair of NT4 servers in the last week of March to renew the certificates that were due to expire on 31/03/2019 (yes, that's 31st March for our Merkin cousins)

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It gets everywhere

    I recently received a terrible shock to see the windows XP boot screen on an ultrasound scanner in the maternity unit of a hospital. Discovering that my wife's labour was even partly under the control of XP was probably the most difficult part of the whole experience.

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: It gets everywhere

      The good news is at least it's had a long time to prove it works and doesn't crash often enough to replace. If they keep it entirely airgapped, that could be acceptable. What do you think is the likelihood that they did that, though?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It gets everywhere

      Was it a C:\ section ?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: It gets everywhere

        Have one on me!

      2. Snorlax
        Happy

        Re: It gets everywhere

        "Was it a C:\ section ?"

        Take your upvote and get out.

    3. Piro

      Re: It gets everywhere

      At least wasn't Windows 10; it'd update at the most inconvenient time

    4. Dave K Silver badge

      Re: It gets everywhere

      Don't see the issue to be honest. My wife's experimental lab at university has a few Windows XP machines in it because they interface with kit that cost £50,000 and newer OSs aren't supported. Technically, support actually ended with Win2K, but XP works fine for it as well. These machines aren't on the network, so no security issue at all.

      Where I work, we have a load of CNC machines powered by a mixture of Windows XP and Window 95 (yes, really) consoles. These machines cost millions originally and they won't be replaced just because the OS is old hat. They are networked, but are heavily firewalled so that only the absolute bare minimum of required connectivity works for them. Again, no security issues with this setup.

      Old operating systems are often used to control specialised kit or to run expensive/custom software. So long as networking is sufficiently controlled and locked down, it usually isn't a problem. As it is, I doubt they were using that ultrasound machine to browse the Internet or anything...

  10. Thrudd the Barbarian
    Facepalm

    I have two laptops that connect to lab equipment where the software insists xp + serial port or else.

    The latesr revisions,which the bean counters won't buy, if it even exists, is good for 7 but not 10. Oh what fun to keep things running.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      I had a coating chamber pump running on a BBC B micro in the 90s.

      I upgraded it to a Psion-II (it had very specific and weird serial port parameters)

      As far as I know it's still running ....

      1. druck Silver badge

        BBC micros will be running long after the Psion has died. Plus if you couldn't get a replacement (still loads around), you could use a Raspberry Pi running RISC OS and the same BBC Basic.

    2. jelabarre59 Silver badge

      I have two laptops that connect to lab equipment where the software insists xp + serial port or else.

      The latesr revisions,which the bean counters won't buy, if it even exists, is good for 7 but not 10. Oh what fun to keep things running.

      And I expect WHEN you are unable to get the kit and software anymore, and that likely expensive lab equipment becomes unusable, it won't be those tight-assed... excuse me, tight-fisted bean counters that will take the flak.

  11. jelabarre59 Silver badge

    Always

    But I thought MSWin was *ALWAYS* "P.o.S. Ready"....

    1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge

      Re: Always

      Well, you're half right. It's not always "Ready"

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Always

      more like "always a P.o.S." (for Win-10-nic anyway).

  12. James Anderson

    Great business plan

    Replace an excellent OS with a bunch of crap then charge extra for users to stay on the old stuff that actually works.

    Sometimes I get nostalgic for Teddy Rooseveldt and anti-trust laws that were enforced. But that's evil socialism interfering with the rich getting richer.

    1. Snorlax

      Re: Great business plan

      "Replace an excellent outdated OS that's full of security holes with a bunch of crap ..."

      There, fixed that for ya...

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: Great business plan

        just WHAT is so "outdated" about XP?

        *crickets*

        (I do NOT consider the Sinofsky/Larson-Green aka 2D FLATTY McFLATFACE user interface to be 'modern' nor 'an improvement' - and XP could have kept its appearance and UI specifics while the kernel and built-in applications were improved for security, with less effort etc., for another 10 years at least)

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Meh

      Re: Great business plan

      Anti-trust isn't/wasn't socialism, it's government oversight [there's a difference]. Banking regulation isn't socialism, either. Socialism is what the OTHER Roosevelt (FDR) wanted, as well as one of the WORST presidents this country ever had, Woodrow Wilson (what he did with income and estate taxes, for starters).

      And to prevent thread decay, I'll stop now [after correcting the big blunders].

    3. KSM-AZ

      Re: Great business plan

      Actually, . . . TAFT. . . NVRMIND ;)

  13. gkroog

    "For the rest of us, it is time to gather around the campfire of blazing XP EULAs, hold hands, and sing songs of green field backgrounds and irritating yellow search dogs."

    Any ideas for lyrics?

  14. glnz

    Tip of the hat to the gang at MSFN for helping us install all the updates for POS 2009 into our XP machines for FIVE YEARS.

    Google "MSFN XP POS".

    Which is why my XP box rings like a cash register and the DVD drawer opens to give change..

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "Tip of the hat to the gang at MSFN for helping us install all the updates for POS 2009 into our XP machines for FIVE YEARS."

      Many thanks to you and @Dave-H over there, @glnz. You saved my bacon more than once over that period after wonky MS updates fried my Office 2010.

      Zapfenzieher

  15. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    WTF?

    Wow. close to 40 year of MS OS's going end of life

    And still people don't get the fact that commercial OS's go End of Life.

    This is a PHB issue, not a technical issue.

    It's is not a case of if, it is a case of when.

    Plan to fail, or fail to plan.

    The choice is yours.

    1. Snorlax

      Re: Wow. close to 40 year of MS OS's going end of life

      Exactly. Apple and Ubuntu don't support EOL'd OSes either, do they?

      Some people think they should be entitled to free updates forever.

      1. jelabarre59 Silver badge

        Re: Wow. close to 40 year of MS OS's going end of life

        Exactly. Apple and Ubuntu don't support EOL'd OSes either, do they?

        Except with Linux (and Ubuntu by association) it doesn't fuck up your system and your workflow to upgrade, unless you're talking about Gnome Desktop (the Microsoft of *nix desktops).

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Wow. close to 40 year of MS OS's going end of life

      except that, prior to Vista and 8/10, upgrading was DESIRABLE. And it was an actual UPgrade.

      But when your alternative is Win-10-niic... you keep what you have.

  16. Maelstorm Bronze badge

    The last version is aptly named...

    Windows POS... Aptly named if you ask me.

    Besides, I moved from XP directly to 10. The main reason being that I had bought a new mother board which has only SATA on it, and Windows XP does not support SATA out of the box, and the board does not even have a floppy disk interface. So I had to slipstream the SATA drivers onto the install media so I could get it to install. The the other big issue is that the 32-bit became very limiting.

    1. Kiwi Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: The last version is aptly named...

      , and Windows XP does not support SATA out of the box

      Well, the many dozens of machines I've installed it on seemed to have no problems with XP on Sata. Though that was almost always SP3.

      SATA as AHCI - that wouldn't work without drivers... But even W7 had that issue with a lot of boards.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Still SHIPping

    AFAIK a variant of Windows XP is still in use by the Royal Navy on their latest and greatest white elephants.

    1. Snorlax

      Re: Still SHIPping

      Urban legend. I hate to be the one who says "Citation please", but hey..

      Citation please.

      1. calmeilles

        Re: Still SHIPping

        No citation...

        Ships generally get what is current, or slightly behind the current for stability and development time, when they are built and then stick with it. So ships running ancient OSs are no surprise.

        Equally it would be unsurprising if the the newest built had some Win7 aboard... and downright gob-smacking if they had anything as old as XP.

        Curiously this subject was addressed in this venerable publication less than six months ago. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/09/royal_navy_old_os_at_sea/

  18. Conundrum1885

    Re. Windows DE

    Dinosaur Edition.

    I still use 7 Starter on one of my dinosaurs, also XP SP3.

    Still trying to find that mythical BIOS update which enables SSE2, seems to be feasible but changing out the chip

    may in fact be required and fortunately it is socketed.

    Scuttles off to find a chip puller to see if the one from my similar POSReady machine will work, as its nearly the

    same chipset it may well do.

    Sound not so much.

  19. kmac499

    Certification Costs

    (Things may have changed since this was my dayjob but here's my experience)

    One of the Big problems of doing a new EPOS system is certification, Three agencies will show an interest

    1) Weights and Measures if you are using an integrated scale

    2) The Banks if you are taking Card payments (which of course you are)

    3) HMRC for the VAT calculation

    The weights and measures certification involved us making a trip to the National Physical Lab Teddington to demonstrate our kit with various test scripts to prove we could weigh,claulate and price transactions. The certification at the time was for a 'set' of kit The OS Our software and specific hardware.

    .Once certified the package was sealed and you had to show how it could be verified as the tested kit (i.e. our suggestion was MD5 signature on the weighscale module of the software).

    OH and don't forget to pay on your way out

    (Brexit note it was possible once to certify in an more relaxed EU state but I don't know if this is still possible)

    The Banks, Oh Joy; Data protection card protection etc well covered by EL Reg but the practicalities are again similar to the weights and measures.

    You trot off to WorldPays offices (they are the only one left now aren't they) Demonstrate your kit, work through the scripts and get a pass or fail. Again you are limited to specific kit so another card reader company would require certification again, Plus when they dream up a new payment method such as contactless you have to go back and certify again.

    OH and don't to forget to pay again (a lot) on exit each and every time you pass GO.

    Finally HMRC; VAT is easy right price + 20% is selling price. Except in all those cases where it isn't second hand, kids clothing, energy costs, food take away\eat in, Jaffa cakes. Plus how do I round out the pennies. Anyone who's worked with HMRC knows how inscrutable they are .

    ME: How do you want me to work this out

    HMRC : Show me how you do it now

    Hmm not quite right,,,,

    Oh and how do you print the receipts ??

    ME: (FFS kill me now )

    And the final one of course, retail being that great cash generating business You could see the eyes glaze over every time you said to your customers; You'll need a new computer, Sorry you can't upgrade this one it's ten years, old knackered, you can't get the bits, and the memory isn't big enough, so you'll need to spend thousands to be able to take <£30 contactless..

    That's why I no longer have that Day Job..

  20. AliBear

    I just want my Aero-plane

    I grudgingly install Windows 2D10 on most devices I don't have to use daily. Because - for me - the kiddy-komputer 2D-ism actually makes it slower to use.

    Still no real Aero glass theme (not this Aero-lite rubbish) - and the resize handle active area is STILL outside the box (gets me every time, but maybe that's because I use W7 with the active zone in the RIGHT place (because of the border width) most of the time).

    Bigmuscle is doing a great job trying to fill the gaps, but unfortunately not really mainstream.

    Rounded corners and integrated borders all started with XP. Maybe we can have an RIP XP W10 version with user-selectable Aero Glass? Please?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I just want my Aero-plane

      Aero Luna.

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: I just want my Aero-plane

      "for me - the kiddy-komputer 2D-ism actually makes it slower to use."

      Yes, the taste of bile and "bad feng shui" appearance is distracting in an "anti-productivity" kind of way... like horrible paint colors and "open bay" desk farms.

      more reasons to miss XP... [I actually like it better than 7, particularly when the shortcut icons next to the start button don't move around and turn into an application icon whenever I use one of them - most hated 'feature' of Vista and 7]

    3. jelabarre59 Silver badge

      Re: I just want my Aero-plane

      I grudgingly install Windows 2D on most devices I don't have to use daily. Because - for me - the kiddy-komputer 2D-ism actually makes it slower to use.

      on MSWin up through MSW7, one of the first things I would change was to outright *disable* the themes service, and go back to the MSW2K interface. But MSW8 and beyond has fucked that up for us.

  21. Craigie

    Sandwiches

    XP will be dead for many more years before you stop seeing it in restaurants and supermarkets.

  22. adam payne Silver badge

    Well the day finally comes when we say bye to Windows XP.

    Note to self, it's not add/remove programs any more.

  23. jimbo36

    So, the last supported version of XP has been withdrawn? What about all those cashpoints that still run XP in the UK ..

    1. aqk
      Mushroom

      Are they in Ireland also?

      ....all those cashpoints that still run XP in the UK .....

      You still appear clueless. You brexit, you pays for it.

      Now, go sell some of those cruddy old Nuclear submarines that the UK (excuse me, ENGLAND) does not want anymore

      Don't try to sell them to Scotland. Or Canada. We've already learned not to buy any more Britshit.

      Welcome to the 3rd world, laddie!

  24. Trinut

    here we go again

    I read somewhere that legendary Windows are made every 8 years WfW 3.11, XP, W7 and it stop there

    Full of security holes? Gyaa haha as long as Software are made by HUMAN every new software is full of security holes (even with the help of os-fuzz or rust) until they get it right - patches after patches. Don't hold your breath shouting the newest OS is the most secure OS.. Bullsh*t

    The most secure OS is combination of strict hardware design and software, such VMS or MVS.

  25. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    I vote we revoke Article 10...

    ...and continue using Article 7 - or whatver your preference is.

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I made my XP run all my

    legacy software back to dark ages (and I mean 1992-), and it's emulation under Win 7 Pro still does. And it will continue to do so. Whether Win 7 remains my interface to the interweb remains to be seen, but managing it well enough to avoid any malware - ever - suggests that may be possible too. It's not a set up for the market chasers, or the security naive, but the savings in time, effort, dollars and endless re-coding with as many learning curves to climb just to preserve the same mathematical models, research data handling, etc. is Incalculable. Software never wears out, and the best is like owning a pristine classic car with zero miles on the odometer, but supercharged by the execution speeds of today's hardware.

  27. aqk
    Facepalm

    OMG! How will I ever read my 5¼" floppies?

    Oh, how sad! What next in this dread new century? Now, I suppose that I shall have to install something called a "starter motor" on my old 1938 Vauxhall! BLOODY ENOUGH!

    Well - I SHALL NEVER give up my highly reliableXP! Or for that matter, buy some trendy new expensive motor vehicle that has an absurd petrol-burning system called "fuel injection"!

    But I have been promised by the expert Registroids here that I may be able to soon convert all my desktops to something called "Linux"! This is wonderful news!

    They say that everyone will soon be dumping their Windows systems for this "Linux" by 2015! I can hardly wait!

    Wait? um.. what year is this? 2008? 2009? Goodness! I had better hurry!

    1. Trinut

      Re: OMG! How will I ever read my 5¼" floppies?

      lol >,<

      The ACTUAL minority always be attention whore so they appears like majority, this intensified on interweb - not knowing their ACTUAL place is the real world. Yeah XP is dead (2.29% vs 1.53%) wait what? DEAD? LOL

      To my linux friends, please look at those amazing android is that what you call secure? See security by obscurity now? You think linux developer are so much better than the like of Dave Cutler and DEC gang?

      Have you learn how to deal with out-of-the-box BACKWARD compatibility as exercised by XP? 10+ years (in this case 17.5 year) maintenance? Security is not just technical but also investment (time and money)

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