back to article Up up and Huawei in my beautiful buffoon: Trump sparks panic by tying tech kit ban, charges to China trade negotiations

Efforts to pressure the White House into banning Huawei hardware from America's networks may have backfired. President Trump appears to have jumped the establishment's tracks, and tied the banishment of the Chinese manufacturer's kit to his ongoing trade tiff with China – meaning any deal hammered out with the Middle Kingdom …

  1. Chris G Silver badge

    Boundaries

    This is not blurring the boundaries so much as clearing them away.

    American national security nowadays is all about trade deals and often criminal charges arise from trumped up charges based on sketchy laws invented to support protectionism.

    1. veti Silver badge

      Re: Boundaries

      Quite. We're talking about the same administration that is prepared to stand up before a judge and say that the import of Canadian aluminum [sic] and German cars represents a security threat.

      I don't think Trump has any concept of "boundaries".

      1. msknight Silver badge

        Re: Boundaries

        > I don't think Trump has any concept of "boundaries".

        Just try engaging him on the topic of the wall :-)

      2. LDS Silver badge

        Re: Boundaries

        He can go beyond his real estate crook mindset. Sure, in real estate deal these dirty tricks could be the norm, maybe including some help from mafias fro blackmailing and ransoms, but thinking you can act the same way on another far bigger stage is just foolish - and the long term damage a bigger issue.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Boundaries

        >I don't think Trump has any concept of "boundaries".

        Especially between him and something/one that he wants.

    2. sprograms

      Re: Boundaries

      I would say it's all about sketchy laws and trade deals which failed to take into account protection of the national economy against unfair trade practices, unbalanced tariffs, illegal IP theft, and subjection of essential industrial capacity to the predations of an utterly totalitarian country having the world's largest population. Those "sketchy laws and trade deals" were made in order to line the pockets of the shareholders (domestic and foreign) of global mega-corporations.

      I'd take the US situation and policies in a minute, compared the German position or that of the French. As for the UK, one cannot say which evil the government is going to choose.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Criminal charges" ?

    Isn't that where you start by saying what law has been broken?

    Preferably with evidence.

    That wasn't illegally collected.

    From a source that will stand in court and testify.

    1. Ole Juul Silver badge

      Re: "Criminal charges" ?

      Yeah, those were the good old days.

    2. Youngone Silver badge

      Re: "Criminal charges" ?

      I suppose that's what is supposed to happen, but then the article did say:

      Others warned that it could send the message that the US justice system is for sale.

      Which is an excellent wind-up indeed.

      1. Joe W

        Re: "Criminal charges" ?

        Well, and then there are those who say it has been for sale for a long time, but not to Johnny Foreigner...

        1. Sanguma

          Re: "Criminal charges" ?

          Well, the US Congress is the very best money can buy, according to Mel Brooks ... I think they're jealous their status will be compromised by the US Justice Dept fielding the best judiciary money can buy. It's a turf war thingee.

        2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: "Criminal charges" ?

          for sale for a long time, but not to Johnny Foreigner

          Except the Saudis. Or the Russians. Or anyone else that can afford the prices asked by sleazy politicians.

  3. 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921

    North Korea could become the newest mega polluting behemoth. TURN CO2 INTO COAL AGAIN!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6747591/Scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide-coal-world-first.html

    1. 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921
      1. STOP_FORTH

        Carbon dioxide should be turned into trees

        That will give us a hundred years to figure out what to do with the trees.

        1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: Carbon dioxide should be turned into trees

          figure out what to do with the trees.

          Make them all equal, by hatchet, axe and saw..

          (Yes, yes, early Rush. Happens to be what my phone is currently playing in my ears)

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6747591/Scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide-coal-world-first.html

      Can't these people read press releases properly? That was supposed to be embargoed until April 1st.

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  4. Rameses Niblick the Third Kerplunk Kerplunk Whoops Where's My Thribble? Silver badge

    "Others warned that it could send the message that the US justice system is for sale."

    Didn't we already know this? Hasn't it always been the case that the more money you throw at justice, be that a court case or security or whatever, the more likely the result will go your way, never mind what the law actually says.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    We knew anyway

    The whole spat with Huawei was always trade, US attempts to bully the rest of the West into buying its crap, and nothing to do with security or evidence, for that matter.

    The US MIL/TECH/INDUSTRIAL complex has been trying to get a McCarthy type witch hunt going - and Trump hasnt bought it and is frankly running a risk by exposing it. He has basically called it for what it is.

    The witch hunt is likely nothing to do with the administration - its the other vested interests in what appears to be a pretty corrupt structure of special interests, lobbying, and TLA security organisations who want more budget. Good on him for that, if nothing else.

    1. Yes Me Silver badge
      Angel

      Re: We knew anyway

      Yes, in this case it seems that Trump's lack of subtlety and his refusal to respect traditional civil service legalistic working methods have taken him directly to the correct conclusion: this is an act of economic warfare (a.k.a. Trumpish negotiation) and we can cancel it as part of a deal.

  6. Adrian 4 Silver badge

    biter bit

    ' former Republican representative for Michigan, Mike Rogers warned against "any linkage" between the issue, and urged the White House to drop the idea of tying national security and criminal charges to trade "like a hot potato."'

    Isn't linking trade to national security exactly what the telecoms companies and their Republican patsies are thought to have done ?

  7. 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921

    TRUMP MAKES HUAWEI LOW AGAIN!

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      1. 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921

        The Huawei of The Deal

        - available at all good bookshops now!

        1. 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921

          CHINA'S PHONES WILL BLOW YOU HUAWEI!

          1. 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921

            TRUMP GOES THE HUAWEI OF THE DRACONIAN!

  8. DJO Silver badge

    Pot - Kettle - Black

    Like Cisco can be trusted.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Trumpet blown.

    The art of screwing up!

  10. sprograms

    The issues, which Trade Representative Lightheiser has again listed in recent days, are nothing new. It seems, indeed, a national security flaw to allow cheap (because capital- and contract-subsidized) cell infrastructure into western economies. On top of those realities, Chinese law requires explicitly that HuaWei do the Party Chairman's bidding when commanded. I say let Germany be the guinea pig in the matter, if they're so publicly sceptical.

    The same goes for the national security implications of having foreign-company cars "built" in the US or UK when the engines and transmissions are built elsewhere: Such a practice really does bleed a nation not only of essential factories, but essential skills in the labor force.

    Germany sloppily allowed the sale of Kukus robotics. Now it has panicked as an ever-larger percentage of Daimler shares falls into Chinese hands. Germany is a good example of nothing except "wishful thinking about the glories that will fall to them from that enormous Chinese market."

  11. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
  12. Palladium

    The U.S have nothing but threats to offer on the 5G front, and they are surprised others aren't listening to their drivel?

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