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Developers rejoice! The second preview of Visual Studio 2019 is upon us and contains all manner of goodies for those brave enough to venture into the not-for-production environment. Little has changed on the IDE front which, to be frank, is no bad thing. The increase in coding space alone made the first preview a pleasant …

  1. Bronek Kozicki Silver badge

    If I were a .NET web developer

    ... I would be excited about this part "debugging Alpine ASP.NET Core". Turns out that running ASP.NET core on Alpine is a thing that Microsoft actually wants developers to do!

  2. AMBxx Silver badge
    Windows

    On my wish list

    I just have 2 requests:

    1) Start in less than 2 minutes

    2) Not have daily updates of all sorts of things I've never heard of

    I'm just a simple C# developer.

    1. Def Silver badge

      Re: On my wish list

      Visual Studio 2017 takes less than 10 seconds to start on my aging desktop machine. It's quite possible the SSD system drive helps there, but if you don't have one of those already you should re-evaluate your life choices. ;). Seriously though, it's possible you have an extension that's taking more time than it should to organise itself and start in a timely manner.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: On my wish list

        "Visual Studio 2017 takes less than 10 seconds to start on my aging desktop machine. It's quite possible the SSD system drive helps there"

        It takes about 10s to start, and another 20s to actually be usable (i.e. news, recent projects, etc, to be populated) on my work-issued laptop (i7-4600U, 16GB DDR3, & Samsung 850 EVO).

        1. Def Silver badge

          Re: On my wish list

          Ah, I always hide the news section in the start page - it's not like I'm going to ever read it. :)

          It's strange your recent projects list takes so long to populate though. My projects aren't even on the SSD and I rarely notice having to wait for them to appear.

          A cold boot on my laptop takes about six seconds to start Visual Studio and another second and a half to get the start page ready for use. My desktop machine is ready for use in about three seconds.

          Thinking about it though, I did have a similar issue some time last year where the whole thing would freeze on start up for about 10-15 seconds. I think that might have been related to validating the account for the licence. I can't remember though whether I changed some setting somewhere, or whether the problem disappeared when I upgraded Visual Studio (I'm currently on 15.9.4).

          1. AndrueC Silver badge
            Unhappy

            Re: On my wish list

            It launches in about 10 seconds but then spends another half a minute to a minute loading the solution all the while trying to kid on that it's ready for work. No wait cursor, see? Ah but just you try and actually do something and suddenly you'll find your clicks being ignored or 'hang on a moment' windows appearing.

            VS startup is like some vindictive, masochistic tease. It'd be better if it just left a 'please wait' message up until it was done. Instead we have to play the guessing game of prodding it at random intervals until it finally starts to respond in a useful way.

    2. Ams627

      Re: On my wish list

      You must have something set wrong - the start time is definitely around 10 seconds. And it's not so difficult to just ignore the update flag.

      1. Madog

        Re: On my wish list

        Yeh I agree that sounds like a set up issue. I've got a 60 project solution with a mix of WPF, WebAPI, Console and web projects, along with unit tests and it's fully loaded in ~10s. Quite impressive really compared to other IDEs like Rad Studio and Eclipse which I also use from time to time. Granted I have a 9900k and 970 Evo but it's not much slower on my laptop or other devices, maybe around an additional 5s, certainly not enough that I notice it as a bad thing.

    3. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Meh

      Re: On my wish list

      My list is pretty long...

      For starters, I'd like them to stop it with the 2D FLATTY McFLATFACE, the VB-style "properties" stuff for class wizard and dialog editing that they've done since 2000-ish [which requires removing my mouse hand from the keyboard WAY too often], LESS centricity on C-pound, and _ALSO_ fix MFC so it's not so bloaty when you static link. Too many un-needed "features" are linked in ALL of the time, last I checked. And it seemed to be very difficult to remove it with compile options. I tried, yeah.

      And it should be easier to do these things:

      a) COMPLETELY exclude ".Not" from your project

      b) static link runtime

      c) static link class libraries

      I don't like flipping all of the parameters on and off for EVERY STINKING PROJECT and so a pre-set "these are my project defaults" would be nice. Maybe it exists already, I dunno, just want to see something more reasonable than having to spend 10+ minutes "fixing" it, EVERY time.

      What I've disliked about VS started with the 'The Metro' stuff. I've used the 2010 version for ALL windows development for quite a while now. It's "not changing" which is better than 'change for the sake of change' every time. I do NOT like the 2D FLATTY and am *NOT* going to do any stupid "the Metro" or "UWP" [CR]app. So the _OLDER_ one is superior as far as THAT goes.

      In any case, I'm not pleased if I can't easily turn my project into a 'Makefile' version, and build without any special IDE nonsense. It's getting harder and harder to do that with Microsoft's tools.

  3. Def Silver badge

    That extra space...

    It's a nice gesture, but would be totally unnecessary if each tool window didn't have a title bar, a toolbar, and a row of tabs at the bottom. The first versions of Visual Studio (and Developer Studio before) had way more space for code and ancilliary windows than the current versions have.

    1. AndrueC Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: That extra space...

      They could give some of us even more space if they tried a bit harder.

      But it's contentious. There's clearly a lot of people don't like the removal of the title bar.

      1. Def Silver badge

        Re: That extra space...

        Yeah, I don't care about the title/menu bar. I already have the tools I need appended to the menu bar. As long as they don't break my ability to keep my current layout in that respect I don't care.

        But I voted and commented on the linked issue. Thanks for that - finding stuff in the feedback app is next to impossible.

        1. AndrueC Silver badge

          Re: That extra space...

          Thanks for that - finding stuff in the feedback app is next to impossible.

          Ain't that the truth. I've used some unpleasant forums in my time but the VS community one is lousy.

          It is possible to get good responses from the MS guys on there though which is why I keep reporting stuff. Just a pity that my most recent report can be summed up as 'P2 buggered up mobile development' :-/

  4. _LC_
    Boffin

    Still using Visual Studio?

    Do you know of any C++ programmer still using Visual Studio? I don’t. Clang parser has turned the tide:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbZ_0r4eFfo

    (as an example, just one of the many IDEs using it now)

    1. Def Silver badge

      Re: Still using Visual Studio?

      Clang parser has turned the tide

      LOL

      If I ever miss programming in the 90s, I'll be sure and check out KDevelop. :p

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Still using Visual Studio?

      I only use the 2010 version for C++ on windows these days. And I _REFUSE_ to use C-pound. Yuck. Just Yuck.

      I'm moderately satisfied with MFC on windows for a couple of reasons, assuming that it's statically linked (runtime AND MFC) and has _NO_ ".Not" dependencies. one is that I'm familiar with it, and the coding stuff I was doing in the 90's still works with it, more or less. The other is that wxWidgets can be [with some difficulty] ported from an MFC applicationt to run cross-platform.

  5. rob miller

    multiple monitor support?

    I keep wanting to try it, but sounds like there is still no multiple monitor support? Like, opening/editing two windows on the same file on two separate monitors....

    1. Stephen 1

      Re: multiple monitor support?

      I haven't looked at 2019 yet, but both 2015 and 2017 support multi-monitor just fine. Just rip off the tab (code, debug watch window, whatever) and place it on another monitor, I'd be astonished if this had been removed from 2019.

      1. rob miller

        Re: multiple monitor support?

        oops sorry, wrong app - I was thinking of visual studio code. my bad.

  6. AndrueC Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Unfortunately it seems to have broken mobile development. The debugger keeps crashing out and the app I was working on (Android/Xamarin) kept having random problems as well. I had to give up on the preview and go back to 2017 eventually.

  7. Daedalus Silver badge

    The Big Chill

    Why does the blood run cold when MS gets designery on VS? Could it be because of previous monstrous screwups in that department? I'm prepared to give the latest version I have (2017) credit for correcting most of the mistakes of the past, but why did those mistakes have to happen in the first place? That whole bland, blander, blandest choice of color themes they gave us. The micro-thin borders on window panes that took a steady hand just to grab them to resize the window. Sometimes I wonder if MS uses VS as the elimination game for UX designers before letting them near the Office products. If so, it isn't working out well for anyone, including those poor drones who use Office.

    If Microsoft put half the effort into creating decent help docs that they put into making their products look kyewl, we'd all be a lot happier.

  8. Terje

    My wish list is rather short. Sort out edit and continue. supposedly it is possible to get it working by sacrificing an unknown number of black cockerels and a virgin or two, but as I'm out of virgin sacrifice material I have been unable to get it working.

  9. James 47

    > Those hair-shirted individuals who like their code to be of the C++ variety

    No women code in C++? Not very inclusive from pro-SJW El-Reg!

    1. Champ

      >> Those hair-shirted individuals who like their code to be of the C++ variety

      > No women code in C++? Not very inclusive from pro-SJW El-Reg!

      Not sure why you think women can't also wear a hair-shirt.

      1. Geoffrey W Silver badge

        I suspect he was thinking that a hair shirt is the hairiness that grows on many male torsos, rather than those austere and scratchy shirts worn to make you feel closer to God.

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