back to article Oracle's JEDI mind-meld doesn't work on Uncle Sam's auditors: These are not the govt droids you are looking for

Oracle's bid to halt the Pentagon's JEDI $10bn winner-takes-all cloud IT contract has been turned down. Uncle Sam's Government Accountability Office (GAO) issued a statement on Wednesday explaining that it would not be taking up Oracle's appeal of the US Department of Defense's stipulation that the entire JEDI technology …

  1. Jack of Shadows Silver badge

    I'll bite

    IBM has filed a similar protest objecting to the contract's bidding and procurement process.

    Any relation to IBM's purchase of RedHat, assuming that goes through?

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: I'll bite

      More in relation to the idea that IBM should have to bid on a government contract rather than being awarded it by right

  2. the Jim bloke Silver badge
    WTF?

    Am i missing something?

    Why is there a Babylon 5 cast photo leading the article ?

    is this "being ironic", or "meta", or ..wrong..

    1. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

      Re: Am i missing something?

      It's the mixed up sci-fi troll meme. Star Wars acronym, Babylon 5 pic, Star Trek caption. Too bad they couldn't get some Dr Who in there. Craig Charles was my favorite Doctor.

      1. Teiwaz Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: Am i missing something?

        Craig Charles was my favorite Doctor.

        Lately when someone mentions Doctor Who I hear the Captain from Blackadder the second (played by you-know-who) saying 'You have a womans Doctor, My Lord!!'

        Not really pertinent, just thought I'd try to inflict it on someone else.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well let me just say, "Ha! Ha!"

    40 years of demanding companies only lock into Oracle tech and now you're whining like a bunch of toddelrs because it might mean you won't get a look in now you're bidding for deals? Excuse me while I adopt a Nelson Munz pose and say "Ha! Ha!".

    I've suffered at the hands of Oracle's nasty severe audits where they literally checked every executing process from their software to see what charges could be added to the bill, I hope they award the whole damn contract to Bezos and Co, stuff it right up Larry and his dying-on-its-arse company.

  4. Alex Read

    "allegations regarding conflicts of interest do not provide a basis for sustaining Oracle’s protest". Can anyone fluent in legal jargon please confirm - this to me doesn't sound anything like the 'stronly deny all allegations' usual statements, so other vendors DID help write the contract?

    1. ratfox Silver badge

      More probably: "We don't know and we don't care"

    2. Jon 37
      Mushroom

      It means "Oracle claimed something about conflict of interest. Even if what they claimed was true, it wouldn't let Oracle get what they want. So it's a waste of the court's time to even look into it, because it's not going to change the result. Oracle please go away."

  5. Giovani Tapini

    Dr Who quote needed

    I'm going to sit back and drink my "noxious infusion of oriental leaves" (tom baker) and watch the IBM effort.

    What I find most amusing is that Oracle are complaining about their own usual behaviours.

    1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Dr Who quote needed

      Sorry - Fifth Doctor, not Fourth.

      The Awakening.

      TURLOUGH: Good. I quite miss that brown liquid they drink here.

      CHANDLER: Ale.

      TURLOUGH: No, er, tea.

      CHANDLER: What be tea?

      DOCTOR: Oh, a noxious infusion of oriental leaves containing a high percentage of toxic acid.

      CHANDLER: Sounds an evil brew, don't it.

      DOCTOR: True. Personally, I rather like it.

  6. ScrappyLaptop

    (looks at photo)

    Your geek credentials have been revoked.

  7. fandom Silver badge

    "legacy cloud infrastructure"

    So now we have "legacy" cloud.

    Oracle statement is so funny it sounds like parody

  8. Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse Silver badge

    So I unfortunately still have a lot of dealings with Oracle...

    So I've been reading humorous IT stuff and nonsense from the bilges of the good ship El Reg for a good few years now, but this statement must be up there as one the funniest and deluded things I've had the pleasure of snorting a mouthful of tea all over my keyboard over...

    "We are convinced that if given the opportunity to compete, DoD would choose Oracle Cloud Infrastructure for a very substantial portion of its workloads because OCI delivers the best, most performant and most secure product available at the best price."

    So... dear Oracle, you may be deludedly convinced. But no-one else is. You barely have the in house skills to manage, train and consult on your own products - so only Herodotus knows why anyone would trust you with a contract of this size. Which BTW includes a load of non-cloud related stuff that you simply don't have a track record in doing.

    IBM will get it. That's my $0.10 worth. HP at a distant second. None of the others will be trusted by Donald Gump and his cronies as they are foreign owned, and therefore very scary.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's all a bit academic...

    ...because it [JEDI] will never work properly, at least not within the ten years allocated to the contract, and probably never.

    1. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: It's all a bit academic...

      Given past history of government contracts, vender performance, and gold plating by those government managers involved, it most likely won't ever work even with massive cost overruns.

      There's probably going to be massive off-shoring and sub-contracting to help the winners bottom line.

  10. Andy The Hat Silver badge

    "... because the agency reasonably determined that a single-award approach is in the government’s best interests for various reasons ..."

    could be rewritten in plain Merican-English as

    "... we are not a financially corrupt institution and we live in the land of the free, like what His Excellency our Glorious Leader the Hair Monster says, so actually it's all ok because 'reasons'. Please move along and continue to enjoy freedom somewhere else before I set security on you."

    1. schubb

      I hope what is most occurring is that they want "one throat to choke." Years of finger pointing, lack of cooperation between contractors, and lack interoperability between said partner have sunk too many projects. Something this large really should be done by one company, even if they sub-contract it out to Tartarus and back.

      Oracle only wants the contact so they can audit every 30 days and charge for things they know are not being used the way they claim. The stories I have heard from DBAs make me believe the Mafia moved into technology.

      I doubt it, but one can hope...

  11. Michael Habel Silver badge

    Coluor me shocked

    I would have thought that the House of the Rat, would have filed some paperwork reguarding the misuse of their new-ish property. That I'm sure a lot of People have just about lost all intest in.

  12. sisk Silver badge

    Chiefly, Oracle – let's make that clear, Oracle – thinks locking an agency into a single legacy vendor is a bad idea in terms of innovation and security.

    Personally I think they're right, even if they do have ulterior motives for that point of view. On the other hand, having hundreds of small vendors is even worse in terms of security, so I suppose I can at least see where GAO is coming from.

  13. Ken Hagan Gold badge

    I'm torn, here.

    On the one hand, it is funny watching the DoD become as clueless as our own beloved MoD on the subject of large IT projects.

    On the other hand, I don't think I want to live in a world where the only competently run military machines are the ones in Russia and China.

  14. Aodhhan Bronze badge

    Oracle, you should be happy.

    Now perhaps, you'll have extra time to look into plugging up all the friggen holes in your databases and other products.

    Thankfully, more and more companies have stopped purchasing Oracle products.

  15. Aodhhan Bronze badge

    DoD's opinion is sound

    Less cooks in the kitchen working on the same pudding. Especially in the upper management tiers.

    It is only unsound, if there happens to be a catastrophic vulnerability which cannot be monitored for and cannot be mitigated, which is very rare these days.

    Not to mention, it's a lot easier to monitor one set of products, instead of many; where, when there is a problem--everyone points blame on everyone else. In the case of one vendor, the buck/responsibility is easily attributed to... and quickly rectified.

    The DoD has been the InfoSec model for the USGov't. InfoSec w/n the DoD began to lock down things in 2007 (DIACAP) with increased responsibility laid on IASE/DISA and then more in 2014. After the 2016 elections, the rest of the Gov't was made to come on board with the additions to the CSA.

    While most of the US Govt has been a laughing stock for InfoSec, the DoD--with some exceptions--has been doing it right for a while. Not to mention, the requirements the DoD laid out over the past 15 years when bidding out contracts, has arguably been the biggest drivers to InfoSec infrastructure development covering the entire stack. Especially in high speed, low frequency wireless security.

    Oracle, careful what you ask for. Ask Cisco what happened when they began to demand and attempt to pin the DoD into a corner. Suddenly, they were losing contracts (and good engineers) they sat on for years to minority, female veteran owned companies.

    Don't ever think you're the only game in town, especially with DoD contracts. The blue collar personnel working on them, just move to the company who wins the contract, and business goes on as normal...well, except for your stock holders.

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