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Microsoft gave Windows Insiders a double treat last night and threw a bone to the dedicated crowd of Windows Mixed Reality users. The announcement sees build 17723 lobbed onto the branch targeting release this Autumn and build 18204 giving a first taster of the delights to come to Windows 10 next spring. Both builds (also …

  1. israel_hands

    Predictive Fuckups

    Why not just let users choose when they want to apply updates? What the fuck is wrong with letting users control their own devices?

    Predictive update management is fucking lunacy. Even if it goes wrong in only 0.000001% of cases, that's still too often for something that doesn't need to exist in the first place. They've actually spent money getting devs to create something that nobody asked for, is a pretty fucking stupid idea and serves no useful purpose except to remind the users who actually owns their device.

    1. Herring`

      Re: Predictive Fuckups

      Why not just let users choose when they want to apply updates?

      Because they might choose "never" because their machines are running nice and stable.

      1. DJV Silver badge

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        I think it needs a (possibly hard to find unless you're a techie) option to return to the pre-Windows 10 way of doing things for those of us who know what we're doing.

        1. Roger Greenwood

          Re: Predictive Fuckups

          "Because they might choose "never" because their machines are running nice and stable."

          This.

          (Having just spent several hours wrestling a time clock system back to life - on Monday when the reports are needed.)

          Updates now disabled.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Predictive Fuckups

            @Roger Grrenwood "Updates now disabled."

            Me too, only microshite re-enabled the windows fuckup service and hit me with 3 hours of crap time whilst I was supposed to be running a profile on the SMT reflow oven!!!

            I have now changed the update user to a guest account to see if that stops the bastrads.

        2. dmacleo

          Re: Predictive Fuckups

          if spare pc laying around can turn into a wsus server and use wsus for workgroup program

          https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=wsusworkgroup

          sorry wrong link posted first, left in place just to show trace

          https://github.com/blndev/wsusworkgroup/releases

          can then approve/decline updates as needed per groups.

          this would be for non domain pc's.

          domain (active directory) pcs dont need to use tool, just use wsus normally.

          1. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

            Re: Predictive Fuckups

            @dmacleo

            If your version of Win10 supports Hyper V, you can run that in a VM.

            1. dmacleo

              Re: Predictive Fuckups

              I have tried that w/o much luck. but honestly was prob failure on my end.

              another resource is using manageengine desktop central to approve/deploy updates.

              its free for 25 computers and handles windows updates as well as third party software installs/u[pdates.

      2. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Unhappy

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        "Why not just let users choose when they want to apply updates?"

        "Because they might choose 'never' because their machines are running nice and stable."

        Micro-shaft quite obviously feels [not thinks] that THEY should be in control of YOUR computer. After all, they're smarter, younger, more 'hip', etc. etc. etc. [fill in whatever possible excuse they might come up with for such *evil* *b0rg* behavior that they're engaging in by forcing updates upon us].

      3. JohnFen Silver badge

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        Since Microsoft is hell-bent on being total assholes on this issue, they could still continue their assholish behavior -- but just dial it back a bit: make updates mandatory, thus satisfying their urge to be total dicks, but don't automatically reboot the machine. All users are going to reboot of their own accord sooner or later, at which point the updates will be applied. Automatic reboots are totally unnecessary.

        I don't care what magic pixie dust software Microsoft claims to have -- none of it can possible know better than the user when a reboot is acceptable.

        1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: Predictive Fuckups

          make updates mandatory, thus satisfying their urge to be total dicks, but don't automatically reboot the machine

          And while they're at it, they could fix Windows so fewer reboots are necessary. Other OSes have figured out how to unload shared libraries and kernel modules without restarting every-fucking-thing.

      4. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        Because they might choose "never" because their machines are running nice and stable.

        And that should be their prerogative. And yes, I've heard all the tiresome arguments about botnets and costs to society and such - I'm in IT security, after all. I am yet to be persuaded that they override users' right to control their own equipment.

        Update nagging was bad enough. Forced updates1 are an abomination.

        1By the OS vendor. When, say, my IT department forces updates on corporate equipment, that may be annoying; but it's their equipment, not mine.

      5. Brian Allan 1

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        Wouldn't that be wonderful for a change!!

    2. Multivac

      Re: Predictive Fuckups

      Wow, there was me thinking I'd been clever by putting "sudo apt-get update" in cron!

    3. Def Silver badge

      Re: Predictive Fuckups

      What the fuck is wrong with letting users control their own devices?

      If you'd ever had to "fix" a regular user's PC you'd know why. The average user doesn't give a shit about how a computer works, or what a security hole is, or why it's important to install updates. Most of them just blindly click on anything that pops up and seem pleased with themselves when the horribly nasty popup thingy disappears - regardless of the consequences.

      And then on the other hand you have IT "professionals" and some journalists who use every bug no matter how minor to gripe and complain about how Microsoft has the gall to release buggy software and then in the same breath complain about automatic updates is an invasion of their privacy and Microsoft should never be allowed to modify their machines.

      Microsoft seemingly can't win no matter what they do. Don't update - and have armies of drone machines exploiting and DDOSing everything in sight. Do update - and have psychotic idiots ranting on forums. Automatic updates annoy the shit out of me sometimes, but at least I am intelligent enough to understand why they are needed for the vast majority of users out there.

      Cue downvotes - as if I give a shit. ;)

      1. JohnFen Silver badge

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        Your argument would be strong for why automatic updates should be enabled by default. It in no way supports the idea that you can't disable them if you wish.

        My computer does not belong to Microsoft, and them acting like it does just because people might mistakenly blame them for malfunctions is no excuse for them to do that.

      2. the Jim bloke Bronze badge
        Flame

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        "Microsoft seemingly can't win..."

        They arent SUPPOSED to "win"

        They are supposed to provide an operating system that enables "users" to do whatever the "users" - who to one extent or another PAID for the machine - require their machine to do.

        Microsoft have adopted the attitude that for them to 'win', their customers must lose...

      3. Czrly

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        I have had to support and fix a lot (really, very very many) of end-user Windows desktops all the way back to 98 ME and the number of tickets associated with update neglect is truly minuscule.

        The vast, vast, vast majority of borked boxes are borked by hardware issues (mostly disk drives), malware, viruses, browser toolbars (including those shipped with the official eff'n Java RE!), free games carrying trojans, general incompetence (You could rename the Windows dir, in Windows 3.1. Don't try it at home.) and, yes, Windows Updates gone wrong.

        Actually, even just the number of Updates-Gone-Wrong, taken alone, dwarfs the number of machines borked by update neglect.

        Microsoft need to employ a bit of subtlety. Paint "Updates are Available" on device-context 0 in hot-pink Comic Sans for all I care but just stop restarting my PC when it's training my models, downloading my stuffs, encoding my things, doing the jobs and processing those datas.

      4. jmch Silver badge

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        @Def

        Have an upvote for accurately portraying the user-space mostly inhabited by the technically-clueless, and putting forward a cogent reason why MS should not just allow users to disable all updates permanently.

        Now have a downvote for defending Microsoft's absolutely awful implementation of their update policy.

        Yes I get it, there are bugs that need to be fixed and I agree that users should not be given the choice to ignore a critical bugfix. But there are also noncritical updates that should be optional. And, biggest issue of all, *it is completely unacceptable for a computer to go into maintenance mode without giving the user an idea of whether this will last 3 minutes or 3 hours*.

        All it takes is one setting (all updates or critical-only) and 1 popup window (Windows needs X minutes to perform updates, proceed now, or set a convenient time to do so )

        1. JohnFen Silver badge

          Re: Predictive Fuckups

          "I agree that users should not be given the choice to ignore a critical bugfix."

          I could not disagree with this more.

    4. N2 Silver badge

      Re: Predictive Fuckups

      It used to be fine, you could choose from:

      Turn em off

      Pick what you needed

      Or everything

      Just what was wrong with that?

    5. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

      Re: Predictive Fuckups

      @Israel_hands

      Start, settings, update and security, change active hours. You can specify hours when your PC cannot reboot.

      1. theOtherJT

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        You can specify hours when your PC cannot reboot.

        Not even close to good enough. I have large mathematical computations that can take _days_ to run. I need to be damn sure that it's not going to reboot at all, at any hour unless I specifically tell it to. Losing a weeks worth of work because one of the compute machines took upon itself to restart 90 hours into a 100 hour long computation is totally unacceptable.

        (And before anyone says "Use Linux" I work in academia. I support academics. Some use Linux, some don't. The ones that don't need to get their computations to run just the same. I'm not going to re-write their software for them to solve a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.)

      2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Predictive Fuckups

        You can specify hours when your PC cannot reboot.

        To some extent, and this doesn't address the fundamental issue, which is that we don't want our systems rebooted at any time without our express permission.

        Why would you think there's some time window every day when I don't want to preserve the current state of my system? It's not a dumb terminal; I'm actually trying to do work on it.

  2. iron Silver badge

    "The howls of users forced to stop what they are doing as Windows 10 takes a dive into the waters of Windows Update, sometimes for hours at a time..."

    What kind of shitty old computers are these lusers using?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Workmates have 2017 Dell corporate laptops. And they do lose an hour out of their morning or afternoon when Windows 10 decides to update, often unexpectedly.

      I have Windows 7, can hibernate the machine for a week or two if necessary and apply the update when I want, although I have to swat away the update window twice daily. That means I don't lose work.

      Perhaps MS should stop making Windows act like Clippy and just get out the way and let people do work.

      1. Version 1.0 Silver badge

        Yep - fact is, most people using Windows are just doing boring old stuff, running a few apps and checking email ... most of which can be happily performed with a 7-8 year old operating system.

        Note the price of old Windows 7 installation disks on Amazon is higher then a cost of new Windows 10 ...

      2. EddieD

        >Workmates have 2017 Dell corporate laptops. And they do lose an hour out of their morning or afternoon when Windows 10 decides to update, often unexpectedly.

        If they're running a corporate version of Win10, the corporation should have taken charge of updates, that's one of the advantages of a corporate version of Windows.

        Here, our corporate versions of Win10 update when instructed, and give users a 24 hour notice period, and schedule all installations to start not before 6pm (local) and not after 6am (local). I've never had one problem.

        Similarly, at home, I have set my work hours, and I get notified when the machine has updates to install, I've never had the machine just announce a reboot. All the folk who have control suddenly taken off them need to RTFM .

      3. TheVogon Silver badge

        "And they do lose an hour out of their morning or afternoon when Windows 10 decides to update, often unexpectedly."

        They do get the option to refuse the install repeatedly until a time of their choosing. Or if they don't it's because that is corporate policy.

      4. d3vy Silver badge

        "often unexpectedly"

        That sir, is bollocks.

        There are plenty of warnings, I've deferred updates for months on end because I was too busy.

        1. JohnFen Silver badge

          I wish Windows would let me do that.

        2. werdsmith Silver badge

          @d3vy

          That sir, is bollocks.

          There are plenty of warnings, I've deferred updates for months on end because I was too busy.

          That's what I'm thinking sitting here reading all this butt hurt. I'm wise to the damn thing wanting to do updates when I shut down to leave the office so I defer and defer indefinitely.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @iron "What kind of shitty old computers are these lusers using?"

      Ones with identcal horsepower to your brain.

    3. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Thumb Down

      "What kind of shitty old computers"

      The kind that would run JUST FINE with 7 (or earlier) on them. but NOOoooo, Micro-shaft just HAD to remove THOSE OS options from the market. Now we're stuck with Win-10-nic and all that comes with it.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      >>What kind of shitty old computers are these lusers using?

      A Microsoft Surface Pro 4, i5 7300, 256GB, feck all software, just office and AV, purchased this year.

      Still takes 80+ mins for 1803.

      The other problem is with all those restarts on laptops with boot passwords.

      And for computers with slow connections, necessitating an offline update, the passwords lost after the feature update is installed from USB, like wifi SSID. And all the crud it re-enables from animations to windows store garbage.

    5. JohnFen Silver badge

      My "shitty old computer" at work is actually new, fast, and powerful. And updates can often take hours.

    6. Timmy B Silver badge

      "What kind of shitty old computers are these lusers using?"

      It's not the computers, or them being old. It's whoever set them up. I have never - not once - had a windows 10 PC reboot. without asking, to do updates. I don't understand who is having this happen and how. I have 6 at home and a quick poll of the office I'm in of another half a dozen people. None of these has had it happen.

  3. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Linux

    19H1

    Isn't that one of the bird flu family of viruses?

    ---> A bird. Possibly with flu.

  4. riparian zone

    Providing a source of income for Dolphin Screenreaders

    It seems that every time WIn 10 gets a big update, the screen reader needs to be upgraded...at £300-£800 per desk, this is not a trivial matter, and can be another form of exclusion as machines become unusable...yes I know about network licences, but the little people get stung the most with this nonsense.

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Providing a source of income for Dolphin Screenreaders

      You should seriously consider suing Microsoft for the costs. It is *your* computer but it is *their* decision to make upgrades compulsory and *their* choice of timing and *their* updates that turn your working system into a not-working system. Either they hand over the tools to block these updates or they pay for the damages. Sure, you could prevent the problem yourself by pulling out the network cable, but then it isn't the useful PC that you paid for.

      It is fucking ridiculous negligent that MS apparently have the right to bork *your* computer on a six-monthly schedule, do not apparently feel the need to provide an off-switch and still get off scot free by saying "sorry, but computers, you know .. hard".

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Windows Update 9pm on friday.

    I just leave my machine running with the "hibernate after x hours" energy policy... like it's a Xbox. And I'm surprised it's been working so far.

    If it has any indication of borkyness in the period, like a bsod or infinite spinning logo, I forcibly reboot and run the god damned windows update myself...

    Yeah, not everybody can leave a machine running over night, sadly. I wish I could help.

  6. thosrtanner

    windows update

    I coughed up for windows professional on all our home PCs after one of our PCs had something updated while it was being used, causing the keyboard to do something very odd.

    So I've told windows to not apply updates unless asked for. And it asks nicely to reboot. Don't see why I should have to pay for this, but for £99/PC it (sadly) seems worth it.

    However it's still pretty manky:

    - it does not download stuff before notifying it has an update. Result. Update stops for a long while while it's downloading stuff.

    - you can't choose which updates to apply (I'm happy to apply defenders update - mostly - recently it decided to quarantine some microsoft control panel, for instance, but leave the rest of the stuff till saturday)

    - it appears to bugger off for a pint and a meat pie when it's updating. The progress indicators frankly suck.

    - the progress meter is insane. it stops dead for a while then leaps ahead 20 percentage points

    - the "I am doing something" spinner somehow magically turns into an "I am not sure what I'm doing so I'll spin this to convince you I'm doing something useful" after about 1 minute, leaving me with the impression the machine has hung.

    - it can hang or fail for no reason. Or at least no reason it cares to translate into comprehensible English. And the fixes invariably seem to involve running stuff from an admin window.

    None of which appear to be being addressed by the update. It's just attempting to guess better when you aren't using the machine.

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: windows update

      "Don't see why I should have to pay for this, but ..."

      You shouldn't. If Windows was completely free then you'd have no claim, but it isn't. You paid a (small) fee to have a product on your PC and apparently that product is not "fit for purpose". In the case of a PC operating system, "fit for purpose" means it is safe to leave it connected to the internet without it automatically getting fucked over by the vendor who is offering a range of licence upgrades protection schemes whereby you pay them money and they stop doing Bad Things to your computer.

  7. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Mushroom

    "Mixed Reality" eh

    Meanwhile in the Real World, people fight with the monetarized control hell that is Dell firmware + Windows 10 "boot repair" mechanisms + UEFI boot magic to get a standard machine running.

    It's a logless, complex, confusing crock and and people responsible should be dragged out of cubicles and hung high and short.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "It seems that every time WIn 10 gets a big update, the screen reader needs to be upgraded"

    The built in one works just fine.

    "at £300-£800 per desk"

    Maybe a support contract for updates would be more cost effective if you have to use a third party application?

  9. Howard Hanek
    Happy

    Wonderful, Wonderful

    ....but I always rely on a recent backup being ready to 'correct' their 'many' mistakes......

  10. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Whats wrong with

    "Your windows PC needs updating.

    please schedule a day and time within the next 7 days to download and update your PC

    <open time and day manager window>

    Failure to select a time and day will result in windows downloading and updating now."

    Or is this far too complicated for the big brains at m$?

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Whats wrong with

      MS can't let users have ANY control. We're too stupid [in their eyes].

    2. Cynic_999 Silver badge

      Re: Whats wrong with

      "

      "Your windows PC needs updating.

      please schedule a day and time within the next 7 days to download and update your PC

      <open time and day manager window>

      "

      The thing that's wrong with it is that I don't want MY computer to dictate what *I* must do. Perhaps I am doing something that must not be interrupted for even a second, and that unasked-for window that just popped up has caused me to wreck £1000's of remote controlled equipment. Would you be happy if all of *your* goods had a similar policy .... e.g. your 'fridge says you must order more yoghurt within the next 2 days or it will order 4 litres from the local supermarket immediately. Your CH boiler says you need to order new loft insulation within 7 days or it will switch off all heating until you do.

    3. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Whats wrong with

      Let's say I'm going away on holiday. When I come back and turn that computer on, I don't want the very first thing it does to be "notice the date and suck several gigs of shit down my wire whilst berating me for leaving the upgrade so long".

      7 days is not enough. 700 days is not necessarily enough. If you feel that you really have to carry on nagging, then do so, but don't actually wrest control of *my* property from me.

    4. N2 Silver badge

      Re: Whats wrong with

      Seems good, just needs clippy to animate it:

      Hello would you like me to fuck-up your PC?

      Options:

      Now

      Just when you're really very busy and doing summit important

      Next time you are away from the office

      Overnight

      At the time of:

      The last two will be greyed out

    5. JohnFen Silver badge

      Re: Whats wrong with

      "please schedule a day and time within the next 7 days to download and update your PC"

      Why within the next 7 days? What if I don't want my machine to reboot that soon? How about just "remind me later" and be done with it?

  11. Mystic Megabyte Silver badge
    FAIL

    Slightly off topic: This laptop came with Win8 and because I'm a grumpy old bastard I did not go for the free "upgrade" to Win10. I only occasionally need Windows so one box that works is good enough for me. (it dual boots Ubuntu) . After I had seen the total disaster of Win8 I thought that maybe I should update it to Win8.1.

    Click update.

    Downloading 0%

    Wait a long time :

    Downloading 0%

    Quit.

    Google Win8 update.

    Go back and see that it is actually downloading, you just need to leave it for several* hours.

    So after all these years MS cannot even get a progress bar to function :(

    I've been using Linux for over ten years, I have never seen a progress bar that did not work.

    *a.k.a. "all night"

    1. smot

      I suspect the progress bar is counting files, not bytes, and there's only one BIG file....

    2. JohnFen Silver badge

      "So after all these years MS cannot even get a progress bar to function"

      This is simply tradition for Microsoft at this point. I've been using windows ever since 3.0, and I don't remember Windows progress bars ever working correctly.

  12. spellucci

    Office 365 Slogan

    I get the frustration but YIKES is managing an update stream as complex as the Windows Update stream a complicated beast. I am happy for Microsoft to test all the interactions of all the different updates and make sure that that particular mix of updates works together. For me to disable one of those updates would require me to have knowledge of the update interactions that I would not want to have to wade through, thank you very much.

    1. JohnFen Silver badge

      Re: Office 365 Slogan

      "I am happy for Microsoft to test all the interactions of all the different updates and make sure that that particular mix of updates works together."

      It's cute that you think Microsoft still does testing.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Get out of the way

    The job of an operating system is to start the user's programs and then get out of the way. Why does someone running spreadsheets and email on a corporate desktop need a Mixed Reality portal that can't be uninstalled? Come on Microsoft, we need a *basic* operating system.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Get out of the way

      Come on Microsoft, we need a *basic* operating system.

      It has been a long time since Microsoft made anything that could in honesty be called "basic". Including their BASIC.

    2. jelabarre59 Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Get out of the way

      Come on Microsoft, we need a *basic* operating system.

      It's called ReactOS...

    3. JohnFen Silver badge

      Re: Get out of the way

      In all fairness, this isn't true. The job of a program loader is to get a program running and get out of the way. The job of an operating system is to coordinate and manage the use of system resources. That's been true since long before Windows existed.

  14. Patched Out
    Windows

    I don't get it.

    I have plain old Windows 10 Home on both my desktop and laptop PCs and have never had a problem with deferring reboots for monthly patches or deferring installation of the two-a-year feature updates.

    Its nearly August and I still haven't updated my laptop to the April Spring update even though Windows has asked me twice.

    The only annoying part I see is when I shutdown and MS wants to install the updates before I can turn off the computer. But even that has an override if you right-click on the Shutdown button and select Shutdown without Update - its just that sometimes I forget to do this.

    And I'm not even an IT professional. It's not rocket science.

    1. JohnFen Silver badge

      Re: I don't get it.

      Yes, lots of people report that Windows behaves that way for them. But lots of people (including myself) do not see that behavior at all. Knowing Microsoft, it's probably due to some bug that they'll never bother to acknowledge, let alone fix.

  15. Vince

    I’m pretty good at predicting accurately when it’s a good time to install updates.

    So accurate in fact I’ve got a 100% success rate.

    The problem with the new plan is that it doesn’t matter if I went to get a cuppa, or went away for the weekend, I might well have left the system on and in a particular state for a very good reason. There’s not a predictable “good time” for me, other than “when I am ready”.

    I’m sure many others feel the same, but why Microsoft cannot just accept it and let us have more control is beyond me. Maybe come up with compelling features we want to install and not useless toot we couldn’t care less about and you’ll find more active updating being done.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I often have jobs running on my PC that need to run for several days or even weeks at a time. It is incredibly frustrating to return to my PC and find that Microsoft have decided to reboot it.

    It's even more frustrating when I spend time finding the hidden and obscure way to disable the automatic reboots only to have Microsoft re-enable them again in the next update.

    This is not acceptable.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      It's even more frustrating when I spend time finding the hidden and obscure way to disable the automatic reboots only to have Microsoft re-enable them again in the next update.

      Among the other things they re-enable with each update. Every single Win10 update-and-reboot cycle on my corporate Win10 machine has set the default web browser back to IE, even though I always set it the new, "correct", Win10 way (through the Settings, since Microsoft deliberately made the default-applications Registry settings harder to control manually). And that's just the most egregious example; there are several other things Microsoft helpfully resets to their preferences.

      Microsoft accumulated some goodwill with me over the past decade or so, with good work by MS Research and by their security group, among other things. They've squandered it all with Win10, and I'm back to despising them as thoroughly as I did at any point in the '90s. They've made using Windows an astonishingly frustrating and unpleasant experience.

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  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    'The not-at-all creepy technology will try and predict if a user has left the machine unattended'

    Let AI decide???

    Users want control back... Will you #$%^&% at Redmond ever just get it!

    Or you do, which is precisely why you're never going to relinquish control!

    As an MS Dev w/o LTSB, I don't need this shit, neither do my customers!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      'The not-at-all creepy technology will try and predict if a user has left the machine unattended'

      Em, wonder if this Homer Simpson trick could work wonders?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_rF4kcqLkI&t=0h2m53s

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: 'The not-at-all creepy technology will try and predict if a user has left the machine unattended

      Seems like they can call updating at night and leaving it during the day AI now...

  19. jamesisinspain

    Win 7 Here

    Instead of using MS Update on the computer. I use WSUS to update. I think they even do win10 etc

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  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Windows is such a nightmare for users

    It should be obvious from users' comments that few are satisfied with the unending product defects in all versions of Windows including and perhaps especially Win 10. Disregarding the Bugs, defects, security, privacy, GPS tracking and other Win 10 issues (at your own peril...), the excruciatingly long downloads / updates are abusive to say the least. From my observations this appears to be largely due to Microsoft throttling the download speeds. They might desire to fix that issue along with the unending security and operational updates.

    1. Snapper

      Re: Windows is such a nightmare for users

      'They might desire to fix that issue along with the unending security and operational updates.'

      Are you taking your meds regularly? Since when did Microsoft EVER put the users experience first?

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Update Hell

    Is why I still use Windows 98SE on high reliability applications.

    (isolated via military grade firewall and air gap with data paths routed through a learning algorithm that only lets packets through that contain no data that might be malicious)

    1. Cynic_999 Silver badge

      Re: Update Hell

      "

      (isolated via military grade firewall and air gap with data paths routed through a learning algorithm that only lets packets through that contain no data that might be malicious)

      "

      If it's air-gapped your firewall and learning algorithm would appear to be somewhat redundant.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Update Hell

        And having seen some firewalls used by the US DoD, I wouldn't be too quick to tout one of mine as "military grade".

        Of course, "military grade" generally means "I have no useful point of comparison, so I'll just talk out my ass".

  23. Laughing Gravy

    Windows

    Do people still use that shit?

    Suck it up

  24. Brian Allan 1

    I'd just love an update that doesn't screw up something!

    Updates have killed my fingerprint reader, memory card reader, main boot drive (on two occasions), reset all my power settings to the default, put my touch pad out of operation, shutdown all of my USB ports, declared all of my astronomy camera drivers as spyware, deleted third party software, reset my home page display, etc. It has taken me days worth of work to recover machines!

    I just wish MS would stop with thinking they "own" our PC's!!

    bwa

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