back to article At last! Apple admits its MacBook Pro butterfly keyboards utterly suck, offers free replacements

Apple has finally admitted the utterfly-mechanism keyoards in its Macook ad Macook Pro laptops are diaolical, and has offered free repairs and replacemets. It's funy what tens of thousads of complaints and a lawsuit will do. These minimalist noteook keyoards, asically, are terrile: the key tops fall off, ad they ecome …

  1. Gene Cash Silver badge
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    Took me a minute...

    Yep, it did. El Reg got me. Again

    1. nil0

      Re: Took me a minute...

      ot ad.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Took me a minute...

      Apple's proprietary QUIRKY keyboard design.

      1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge

        Re: Took me a minute...

        hink differen

      2. PeterGriffin

        Re: Took me a minute...

        Genius :D

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Took me a minute...

      Given the amount of builder's dust still settling on Apple's Campus, maybe the problem has come home to roost, for Tim Cook.

      There's nothing like experiencing the problem yourself.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Took me a minute...

      I bought the only MacBookPro late 2016 model available without the OLED-touch-bar crap. It came with only two USB-C ports and no friggy other ports at all. One of the two USB-C ports is always needed for power. What a "great" experience. Of course, the crappy keyboard has such shitty keys, like no other notebook (only the the Surface tablet keyboard is known to be worse). I switched back to ThinkPad T-series running Hackintosh.

      Johnny Eve is an idiot! Steve Jobs is rotating is his crave.

      1. Ledswinger Silver badge

        Re: Took me a minute...

        Johnny Eve is an idiot! Steve Jobs is rotating is his crave.

        You've got one of those keyboards I see. But Jony Ive is the industrial designer concerned with appearance and aesthetics. He's not specifying the product, I doubt he gets a say on the type and number of ports. You'll have to pin your problems on somebody else.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Took me a minute...

          > Jony Ive is the industrial designer concerned with appearance and aesthetics

          Exactly. Form over function.

          We all want the damn MacBookPro keyboard to work fine and be usable. Yet this Jony Ive wants it too look nice and unique but doesn't care about anything else. That's the problem. He is the problem.

          1. Alexander Rogge

            Re: Took me a minute...

            The keyboard for an Apple laptop was once a removable board that was attached to the motherboard with a cable. Now the keyboards are built into the case and can't be lifted out, increasing repair costs or making it impossible to repair. Unfortunately, Apple also didn't design the keyboard keys to last, so we get problems like with this butterfly keyboard. I like being able to type on my laptop keyboard while water is pouring down over it, and the keys are usable even while wearing gloves. For the price Apple charges, the company should be able to put that sort of quality into its products instead of trying to aesthetically-improve technology that didn't need fixing and at the expense of functionality. I miss Steve.

      2. fidodogbreath Silver badge

        Re: Took me a minute...

        I bought the only MacBookPro late 2016 model available without the OLED-touch-bar crap.

        I waited for that round of new MacBooks to come out, then eagerly went to a store to try them. I absolutely hated the feel of the short-travel keyboard, even when it was brand new and the keys worked. This was also before it was general knowledge that you have to replace the entire keyboard assembly and half of the case if just one key goes bad.

        I ended up buying a refurb 2015 core i7 MBP for several hundred dollars less, with a full complement of ports. I feel like I dodged a bullet.

        (PS: Please don't bother replying about how I 'shoulda bought a Dell' or whatever. I have owned many PCs, and still have 3 Win7 boxen. The entire reason for buying a MacBook was to escape the Windows 10 slurp. And yes, I've tried Linux; the driver and hardware support for professional audio recording is terrible.)

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Took me a minute...

        > It came with only two USB-C ports and no friggy other ports at all

        Bet that was a surprise...it's not like there are specifications and reviews all over the place. Ever considered you weren't buying a machine that suited your requirements? Or was it just new and shiny so you had to have it anyway?

      4. eldakka Silver badge

        Re: Took me a minute...

        It came with only two USB-C ports and no friggy other ports at all. One of the two USB-C ports is always needed for power. What a "great" experience.

        And with the appropriate dongle that charging port can be simultaneously used for charging and other purposes.

        Don't get me wrong, I do hate the minimalist number of ports these days that means you have to start carrying around multiple dongles - ethernet, video, hubs/port replicators - but it is possible to have more than 2 things connected via the lightning ports.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Took me a minute...

      The stickiness of Apple is starting to wear thin.

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  3. David 132 Silver badge
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    Nicely done.

    Did the spell-checker on Word have conniptions, putting red squiggles under every single word, or did it just give up in despair?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Nicely done.

      I actually switch that off when I'm creating original content as it tends to interrupt my already fragile train of thought - I rather do spell check afterwards.

      Besides, most of my posts develop errors when I hit submit :).

      1. shah27
        Happy

        Re: Nicely done.

        "Besides, most of my posts develop errors when I hit submit :)."

        I am going to use this for work now. Thank you :)

    2. Waseem Alkurdi

      Re: Nicely done.

      I thought they used TeX or DocBook or something!

    3. EastFinchleyite

      Re: Nicely done.

      I'm an Engineer. I don't need to be able to spell properly. I only need to know that it is possible and what the tolerance limits for wrong spelling are for the particular job. Spell checking is a later process that comes well after the inspiration phase of the project.

      For example, when designing an aircraft I would expect very small tolerances when writing the specification document. When writing a political manifesto plus/minus 50% is to be expected and permitted.

      1. Danny 14 Silver badge

        Re: Nicely done.

        clippit had a heart attack.

  4. bazza Silver badge

    Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

    Unless something has been done to fundamentally improve the design, you still end up with a keyboard that is, at best, fragile.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

      I thought Apple might produce a Touchbar mode to automatically display keys that Apple's (state of the art) AI shows are sticking, so they could be selected from the Touchbar instead.

      Now, that would have been very Apple.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

        > Now, that would have been very Apple.

        Surprised they didn't claim people are holding it wrong, this time around.

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

      Everyone sending their laptop off every few months just because Apple's too proud to admit the keyboard design is crap could get expensive for them.

      1. imaginarynumber

        Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

        AFAIK, they will only repair Macs that are less than 4 years old and I imagine that they will find some way of weaseling out of many repairs- citing 3rd screen replacements or scratches on the lid, insisting that keyboard faults are constant rather than intermittent, etc.

        You don't get to be the richest firm in the world by being good guys.

        1. the-it-slayer

          Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

          Ummmmm, not exactly true.

          Managed to get my MacBook Pro (late-2013) repaired under an old callback to replace the screen because of faulty anti-glare layer that disintegrates after some harsh contact with the touchpad due to pressure of the closure. It was technically out-of-date. They're genuinely very good if you tell them honestly and state the callback on the phone. Another £300 not required to spend to get another few years out of the laptop. Being the richest, you generally get to ace at customer service. The big boys always get complaints surfaced because media like a good storm in a teacup.

          Wonder if Microsoft/HP/Dell do that same? Probably not. I know Lenovo are better with their pro grade laptops.

          And the issue with all USB-C isn't that bad. Wish they'd give a USB3/HDMI dongle with laptops, but you can get one for £15/20 (Kanex).

          1. Dan 55 Silver badge

            Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

            It was technically out-of-date. They're genuinely very good if you tell them honestly and state the callback on the phone. Another £300 not required to spend to get another few years out of the laptop.

            You think you got special treatment but you didn't, it's only because it's a design fault that's in their list that they can't wiggle out in either the EU (consumer rights) or US (class action) so they're forced to extend the guarantee.

            But then four years after purchase they declare your product obsolete just because and say they'll no longer repair it.

            Non-retina 2012 MacBook Pros with two video cards aren't covered despite also having the same display issues as Retina 2012 MacBook Pros. They wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, strictly statutory guarantee period only.

      2. Tomato42 Silver badge

        Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

        @Dan 55 let's just say, I have a very small violin, you could maybe even call it "world's tiniest"...

        seriously though, hubris getting punished only causes me schadenfreude, and apple has plenty of hubris

      3. Updraft102 Silver badge

        Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

        Not only is the keyboard design crap, but the idea of riveting them to the case is crap too. The laptop I am using now is 10 years old and I wore out the keyboard... $20 for a new OEM keyboard and a five minute install and it was back in tip top shape. I know Apple devices are meant to be thrown away and not repaired (despite costing considerably more than my repairable Asus laptop), but that's just ridiculous.

        1. PeterGriffin

          Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

          I like using the term enforced obsolescence. Apple refuse to officially release board schematics, repair tools, procedures and replacements parts outside their authorised repair centres. When Apple don't want to repair your equipment... Tough. But. Apple are almost saintly compared to the Microsoft Surface laptop which can't be repaired without destroying it.

        2. fidodogbreath Silver badge

          Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...

          I know Apple devices are meant to be thrown away and not repaired (despite costing considerably more than my repairable Asus laptop), but that's just ridiculous.

          Sadly, that seems to be the norm now with high-end "design-focused" laptops from many vendors, not just Apple. It's weird to me that I can easily upgrade the RAM, HDD/SSD, keyboard, etc. on almost any $400-500 laptop, while a $1500 model is likely to be a sealed-up, glued-together brick with soldered RAM and storage.

  5. BebopWeBop Silver badge

    We had one of ours fail - out of notional warrenty. Forced Apple to replace it through the lageal protection available to buyers who have a reasonable expectation of a decent product that works beyond 1 year. Mind you it took a very snotty letter from a tame solicitor to force them to do it with a threat of legal action.

    1. Waseem Alkurdi

      May I ask in which country are you based?

      1. Danny 14 Silver badge

        this would work in the UK. especially if purchased with a credit card. You could get your CC to do the fighting for you too.

        1 year is not a reasonable lifetime for a keyboard.

  6. bex

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    Macbook keyboards have been crap going back all the way back to the shitty plastic one were bits fell off the top case. Until I say the light I had the mentioned above not so plastic fantastic, then a 13 inch 2011 MacBook "pro". Both of them would miss keys occasionally and christ they were uncomfortable on the fingers.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    We’ve two 2015 MacBooks bought on student discount (AppleCare for £50) and between them we’ve had 4 new keyboards, a new screen and a new main board. I should have bought the pro but even that is ruined.

    They’ve been utter sh1te. I will keep them for now because I endlessly hope that Apple will pull their head out of their 4r5e and stop claiming a laptop with awful keyboard and needs a dongle to plug in a mouse or usb stick no proper USB ports is a “Pro” machine.

    I’ve got 2 Lenovo Thinkpads issued by work (T450 and a T470) and a X240 I got off eBay for myself and they’re so much nicer to use apart from the OS.

    1. Waseem Alkurdi

      apart from the OS.

      You can always install Linux (or Hackintosh them into macOS, if you don't give a shoot about the law).

    2. Shoot Them Later

      [...] stop claiming a laptop with awful keyboard and needs a dongle to plug in a mouse or usb stick no proper USB ports is a “Pro” machine.

      I know this is a matter of opinion, but I actually rather like the port strategy on the current MacBook Pro. It's clean and forward-looking. I carry a multiport dongle that has USB, HDMI, SD card & ethernet and just use that when needed. I have another dock on my desk that has a fuller range of ports and also provides power (which reminds me of when I used to use a docking station with my old Thinkpad, yet more convenient). But I know this is personal preference - all these adapters add £££ to the overall cost, and many people just find dongles annoying.

      I'm not going to defend the shitty keyboards though.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        I actually rather like the port strategy on the current MacBook Pro. It's clean and forward-looking. I carry a multiport dongle that has USB, HDMI, SD card & ethernet and just use that when needed.

        1982 called and wants its ZX Interface 1 and row of Microdrives off the side back.

        1. gotes

          As much as I hate to defend Apple, especially on such a contentious issue, but I can think of a couple of instances where they have predicted changes in computing by removing certain features - e.g. no floppy drive in the iMac, no optical drive in the Macbook. And - I know this is unpopular here - no easily replacable battery in the iPhone. I'll keep my removable storage and 3.5mm jack though, thanks.

          Personally, I prefer a proper docking station - which is why I'm clinging on to my 2014 E-series Dell. The new ones use those fiddly USB-C port expander things.

          P.S. Not an Apple user. I have a few broken iPhones people have dumped on me, and a Mac Plus. Spent several hours trying to install Mac OS on a regular PC, without success.

          1. gotes

            Oh, and I almost bought a Macbook Pro 17" a few years ago as it was pretty much the last remaining laptop with a big 16:10 screen. Then they fxcking went and discontinued it.

          2. Waseem Alkurdi

            @gotes

            Spent several hours trying to install Mac OS on a regular PC, without success.

            Except for AMD PCs and Intel Atom/Pentium/Celeron, every PC I saw out there could run macOS like a charm ...

            Try again from scratch. If you do it correctly, it will run, even better than Windows, and arguably smoother than Linux.

            @Updraft102

            but there's still a lot of people who need to run software that comes in Mac and Windows form, but not Linux.

            There is an open-source project called Wine. It emulates Win32 APIs on macOS and Linux making you able to run quite a lot of Windows programs (including Photoshop, the most common complaint).

            If only Apple would offer MacOS as a standalone product...

            Then it would be as successful as OS/2, because there's an immense number of PC configurations.

            And there's their brand and image, which cost money and would be wasted by this move.

            Not to forget the malware spike.

        2. Shoot Them Later

          1982 called and wants its ZX Interface 1 and row of Microdrives off the side back.

          I had the Interface 1, but only one microdrive. That was enough. I recall it slightly melted the underside of my Spectrum too, such was its monster power.

        3. /dev/null

          To be pedantic, it was late 1983 before the ZX Interface 1 and ZX Microdrive started shipping, but I like your analogy.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      T420 here running Linux(es/s/ii?) and it works wonderfully. I install different distros onto USBs and play away. I know I could create VMs of each but I like the way I do it, just for me, at home :)

    4. TVU Silver badge

      Hey, what's this quality control thing?

      "We’ve two 2015 MacBooks bought on student discount (AppleCare for £50) and between them we’ve had 4 new keyboards, a new screen and a new main board. I should have bought the pro but even that is ruined"

      What this amply demonstrates is that that there has been a decline in initial design and then quality control and that both aspects have really got to be improved by Cook & Co.

      From an external perspective, it looks like they just don't care any more, particularly about professional users, and that they're effectively turning the MacBook range into high value, but less than useful, lifestyle brand goods for updating Facebook accounts, etc.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hey, what's this quality control thing?

        Lifestyle indeed, i blame that woman from Burberry who joined them, in partnership with Johnny Rotten, style over substance. Pro range is now just for aspiring wannabes, completely unsuitable for professionals. Apple are going to lose their core base quickly at this rate.

        1. Updraft102 Silver badge

          Re: Hey, what's this quality control thing?

          Apple are going to lose their core base quickly at this rate.

          With Windows 10 being unusable rubbish, people are saying the same thing about the Windows platform. Where are the Apple people going to go? Linux would be good, but there's still a lot of people who need to run software that comes in Mac and Windows form, but not Linux. If only Apple would offer MacOS as a standalone product...

    5. jgarbo

      Oddly, you've relieved my pain a little. I'm on my 3rd Acer Aspire keyboard, which is again having "mood swings", waking up forgetting short cuts (Linux Mint) and language switches. Is it so hard to make a decent keyboard? My old Thinkpads took a pounding (old journo here) and begged for more, even after the characters wore off. Might follow your lead on the X240.

      1. Danny 14 Silver badge

        my galaxy note 3 has better connectivity and repair options than apple products.

  8. Marcus Fil
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    Too little, too late

    Methinks if Apple made parachutes then members of the board would be facing jail time. A half-hearted fix is not a real fix - here, have a band-aid for your severed limb. If your business depends on your IT then losing it to the Apple repair shop every few months is coming off your bottom line - until you ditch Apple.

    The 2016 MBP was a fuster cluck that incorporated all the worst of the 2015 Macbook. Apple just popped in its earbuds and sang "la,la,la" as even some its most ardent fanbois started to question its sanity. I hope this crack-papering scheme dents the profits sufficiently that major shareholders effect some change - time for some reality to penetrate that reality distortion field.

  9. tempemeaty
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    Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

    I think I'm totally done with Apple. This feels is so weird. It's actually reached the point where I'm afraid to buy anything from Apple now.

    1. bazza Silver badge

      Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

      Apart from not being supported by their current OS, a late '08 Macbook upgraded with an SSD still works ok.

      1. imaginarynumber

        Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

        Works OK but does not receive security updates...

        Probably fine assuming that it doesn't have internet access...

        #flashbackDriveByAttack

      2. Waseem Alkurdi

        Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

        @bazza

        Apart from not being supported by their current OS, a late '08 Macbook upgraded with an SSD still works ok.

        Nothing that couldn't be fixed with an EFI hack.

        And support for it was dropped because of Wi-Fi card drivers (or that was why they dropped support for these Wi-Fi cards?)

        If you do the EFI hack (or an equivalent one on the installer image) then upgrade the Wi-Fi card you're fine.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

      > It's actually reached the point where I'm afraid to buy anything from Apple now.

      Agreed. I'm Ebaying my Mac Mini (quad core thing from 2011) presently, as I've had enough of Apple's crap.

      Been CentOS 7 instead for a few months on my old i5-750, and it's working at out well. Much higher power consumption (70W vs 20W) than the Mac Mini though, as that uses laptop spec components. ;)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

        > Been CentOS 7 instead for a few months

        But CentOS comes with systemd. That is a no go. You could run Windows 10 than too, both do shit without your knowledge.

        Better Hackintosh or FreeBSD or something else from this list: Distributions that do not use systemd

        1. Danny 14 Silver badge

          Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

          aye, that was the first time id ever tried (and now use) ubuntu server (after many years of using CentOS). 7 was a real letdown due to some silly decisions.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

          > But CentOS comes with systemd.

          Yeah. I just needed a Linux distro that I'm familiar with though, as I do Go development in my spare time and that's only practical on Linux.

          Pulseaudio has been a pain, but the systemd parts haven't hurt things yet. The box hasn't broken, so I haven't had the pain experience, and things might change if that happens. :)

    3. FrankAlphaXII Silver badge

      Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely

      I remember around 1994 or 1995, before Jobs came back and saved their company, I felt the same way, I was afraid to buy from them. System 7.5 was terrible, and the hardware wasn't much better for the frankly insane prices Apple wanted.

      At about the same time, Windows was getting usable so I switched to NT 4 about a year later and discovered FreeBSD around the same time, and also GNU/Linux, but I didn't and still don't particularly care for it outside of a couple of minor (for me) use cases, and of course Android but that's just the kernel and the kernel's never really been the issue.

      And come to think of it, I haven't bought anything from Apple since. I did always kind of want to try OS X because its a for-real UNIX and not balls expensive, but I've never really had the urge to spend twice as much on half the performance just to try an OS.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Happened exactly as I predicted on a thread here a couple of months back...

    Despite all the scorn and negativity from the typical, rabid anti-Apple El Reg crowd.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Happened exactly as I predicted on a thread here a couple of months back...

      It's less a prediction, and more an observation of fact now. ;)

    2. TVU Silver badge

      Re: Happened exactly as I predicted on a thread here a couple of months back...

      "Despite all the scorn and negativity from the typical, rabid anti-Apple El Reg crowd"

      That is just so wrong on so many counts.

      I actually want Apple to succeed and be relevant and successful 20 years from now and to offer a good alternative to whatever Microsoft is putting out.

      That means addressing issues of design, quality control of both hardware and software, repairability, upgradeabilty, outdated specifications (at least 18 months behind Windows machines) and so on right now and not pretending that these issues do not exist.

      1. jgarbo

        Re: Happened exactly as I predicted on a thread here a couple of months back...

        Upgradeability? You mean Don't buy a new one, just upgrade your old one? That's not a business model unless you're selling spare parts.

        1. DiViDeD Silver badge

          Re: That's not a business model

          No, but it's the model for those of us who have a "Grandad's Broom" PC, where the PSU is original, Mobo replaced after 3 CPU upgrades, SSDs added and then expanded, AM expanded and upgraded at least three times, GPU changed every other month (or so it seems sometimes) and only the case (quick release bays, cover plates and side panels - no screwdriver required), fans and lighting rig are original. And with my new MSI X299 XPower board coming any day now, that makes me pretty much future proof until, oh, at least teatime.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Happened exactly as I predicted on a thread here a couple of months back...

      Au contraire, mon frère. Apple user since 2004.

      I still have a Retina 15-inch. I hope to Christ it keeps working until Apple start making computers again, because I'm not buying one of those new MacBook Pros as a replacement. Proper laptop, proper keyboard (no wanky touch bar), proper set of useful ports and please bring back Magsafe. Oh and 32GB of memory would be innovation where it matters. Get a clue Apple. Please. Times are hard and value for money (not to mention reliability) counts more than ever.

  11. jaffa99

    sht cmputrs

  12. mickaroo

    No, No... It's The Liquid Sensors

    My wife's Macbook keyboard quit some months ago. When we took it to the Apple Disingenous Bar, we were told the Liquid Sensors had been tripped. If you saw how my wife cares for her MacBook, you would realize that this is a very low probability scenario...

    We were subsequently informed that as well as the $400+ keyboard replacement (not under warranty - liquid sensors), there were also two other boards that required replacement that would be covered by warranty. I was out of town so my wife asked our adult son why the keyboard was not covered, but the two other boards were. His reply:

    "They broke it taking it apart"

    1. Updraft102 Silver badge

      Re: No, No... It's The Liquid Sensors

      So if something other than the "liquid sensor" fails under warranty, it enables a claim for a repair under warranty. But if the "liquid sensor" fails, it cancels a claim for a repair under warranty. A second failure that cancels their liability for the first one, without any chance you can refute it!

      Wow. Over on the PC side, so many are considering Macs for the first time because of Windows 10, and so many on the Mac side are fleeing the shoddy Apple construction and the "you're holding it wrong" attitude...

    2. Martin-73 Silver badge

      Re: No, No... It's The Liquid Sensors

      Simply point out that limitations to warranties are not permitted under law, and make them fix it

    3. imaginarynumber

      Re: No, No... It's The Liquid Sensors

      Not sure about their laptops but sometime ago 3M warned Apple that the liquid sensors in the iphone could give false positives when the weather is humid.

      Apple decided that it was financially prudent to ignore the sensor manufacturer's advice.

  13. Anonymous South African Coward Silver badge

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  14. ecofeco Silver badge
    Coat

    Utterfly?

    Did you mean Superfly?

    "Apple has finally admitted the utterfly-mechanism keyoards..."

  15. dbtx Bronze badge
    Meh

    Some things constitute their own most fitting punishment, such as living at mom's again, working at that tool & die shop, and buying from Apple. I'm guilty of the first two, in the past and present, respectively. This is my smug face.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Don’t know why it bothers me, but is there a reason the headline image shows the previous non butterfly version of the keyboard?

  17. deltamind

    FREE and APPLE usually don't go together. Finally they have something for this issue, so I think I can stop complaining and go get a replacement hehe.

  18. gcarter

    Im getting bored of the Mac haters, and the constant drivel on virtually every tech site out there, jumping on the bandwagon to moan about the latest keyboards.

    I've used the

    * Macbook 12 (2016)

    * Macbook 12 (2017)

    * MacBook Pro with Touch Bar (2017)

    They are great to type on! Sure they take some getting used to in the first instance, and the 2nd gen butterfly keyboards on the 2017 models feel more tactile.

    Whilst they are not as robust as the older models, doesn't mean you hammer the hell out of the keyboards just to prove a point! I keep my clean and where possible, for example when Im working from home, will use an external bluetooth keyboard.

    Remember peeps, the internet nowadays seems to be just for the haters / those who have had problems (minority) ... where are the people saying actually guys, these machines are pretty sweet?

    How often do you go online to see how good a product is?

    Oh and I typed this anti-rant on my Macbook 12 (2017) whilst sat in Starbucks :-)

    1. Outcast !!!

      Stop shilling

      Typical Apple shill. Defending Apple when clearly Apple is at fault. Since the new keyboard are so great to use, why the hell you still use an external Bluetooth keyboard?

      1. gcarter

        Re: Stop shilling

        Not really, up until a few years ago was and I guess still am still an avid pc user. However as I work from home and remotely in general, I needed something uber portable to work my magic with :-)

        However when I'm in the mancave, I have the Mac hooked up to an external monitor and on a stand... hence the external keyboard and mouse.

        1. Aitor 1 Silver badge

          Re: Stop shilling

          And the external keyboard is the reason it still works.

          Also the kind of dust/grime the keyboard gets subjected to. Plenty of mechanical keyboards fail as dirt gets into the switches.. and MBPs are just terrible in this sense.

    2. Huw D

      ... go online to see how good a product is

      Yeah, because all the rave reviews of things on the Internet are never likely to be fake are they? And the shit reviews are all people just dissing $Brand by default?

    3. imaginarynumber

      Ever noticed that the pre-release reviews are always more positive than those written when the products have arrived in the shops.

      Apple only dole out pre-release products to news outlets on the understanding that they will be wasted 5 out of 5 stars.

      The Guardian made the mistake of honestly reviewing an iPad, giving it 3.5 stars and have been blacklisted by Apple ever since.

    4. Mark Dempster

      >Whilst they are not as robust as the older models, doesn't mean you hammer the hell out of the keyboards just to prove a point! I keep my clean and where possible, for example when Im working from home, will use an external bluetooth keyboard.<

      So, you yourself prefer to use a completely different keyboard and you admit that it's less robust than earlier versions, but you don't understand why people complain about them?

      Do you not see any problem with that?

    5. HolySchmoley

      "I keep my clean and where possible, for example when Im working from home, will use an external bluetooth keyboard."

      Make sense. Don't want to wear out fragile parts.

      "Oh and I typed this anti-rant on my Macbook 12 (2017) whilst sat in Starbucks :-)"

      Clone.

  19. Ian Joyner

    No idiot tax

    “the Cupertino idiot-tax giant”

    Stop insulting people for buying Apple by calling them idiots. Apple purchasers buy Apple for good reasons, including overall quality of software and hardware (software always comes first).

    The term “idiot” means they have not really looked into things. Well, all the things that go on in the IT world are difficult to determine. But how do the others get their prices low – because they advertise and pass your details onto other third parties. This is being naive as to where the cost of your appliance comes from – with Apple you own the appliance, with advertising-based cheap prices, your appliance owns you.

    Now I’m not going to insult those who buy these other products by calling them idiots, rather try to educate them about what is really going on, rather than being naive about what is going on.

    It seems the Register is wilfully naive, or maybe being idiots. Usually those who repeat the same thing over and over, are just trying to promote a lie. The ‘idiot tax’ phrase is used over and over by the Register. It is not true, and it is insulting. Has Register been taking lessons from Trump?

    1. HolySchmoley

      Re: No idiot tax

      "Stop insulting people for buying Apple by calling them idiots. Apple purchasers buy Apple for good reasons"

      Isn't idiocy a good reason for doing something idiotic?

  20. Bob From Marketing

    Less is more. Less computer, more money.

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  22. Am I Consing Yet?

    No offering for people who need their machines to work every day

    I have one of the machines in question, and the keyboard (whole top-case in fact) needs replacing. They quote 3 to 7 working days turnaround for the repair. I have the AppleCare extended warranty so cost is not an issue in my case - but being without a machine for a week or so is very much a problem for me. I have discussed this at some length with both Apple Store retail staff and "premium resellers".

    Naturally, replacing the top case does not take 3 - 7 days. The issue is that when you hand over your Mac it goes into a queue. The turnaround time will depend on how many others are queuing ahead of you. I asked why the machine couldn't remain in my possession while it is queuing, but "that's not a service we offer".

    I am able to work in the meantime by using an external keyboard but this is not always convenient. I now think I'll have to take it in for repair the day before I go on my summer holiday, then hope it's fixed by the time I return. This isn't straightforward either - you cannot book in for a repair more than 7 days in advance, and sometimes you'll find that all repair slots in your nearby stores are already taken.

    A chap working in a London Apple Store suggested that I should buy a new MBP, use it while my old one is being repaired, and then return the new one "no questions asked" so long as it's within 14 days. Remarkable that they would tolerate this, but I won't do it anyway because it feels a bit too risky.

    For the price of my AppleCare extended warranty, I could have added next-day onsite repair to a Dell laptop, and I'm sure that's true of many other brands as well. I like my Mac (apart from the keyboard issue), but for work I mainly run Windows on it. Next time I choose a new laptop for work, I cannot possibly buy another Mac because they have no "keep you working" service option.

  23. MOV r0,r0

    "Apple has determined..." makes it sound like a judgement, almost as if Apple decides whether a thing actually happened or not. iRDF™

    Also, "Apple will refund you" - yep, and add it to your subsequent Cupertino Tax bills.

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