Not buying it - This is a badly timed Slippery Slope
It'll be interesting to see if Firefox stays bundled with Linux installs...
The Mozilla Foundation has revealed that links to sponsored posts have started to appear in its Firefox browser and pledged to deliver them without invading users' privacy. Mozilla flagged it would add sponsored links to its browser in January 2018, after the 2017 acquisition of web-clipping service Pocket brought with it the …
The money has to come from somewhere. History shows that no one will pay for a Web browser (though given the decent state of Firefox at the moment, I probably would). Apparently money has to be raised some other way.
Ever tried JRiver's Media Centre? It's so good at what it does I readily buy it. The price and licensing and functionality hit a good sweet spot in my opinion.
"The money has to come from somewhere."
If Mozilla would just have said "no" to new web standards more often, those standards wouldn't have gotten off the ground and nobody would have had to implement them.
"The problem is that browsers now are so incredibly complex that you need a large corporation to support them."
Is a corporation with $30+ million in net assets large enough?
How about if its liabilities were only ~6% of gross assets?
How about if it styled itself as "open souce", and perpetuated the belief that most of the development work on its flagshit product was done for free by volunteer contributors?
(serendipitous typo left in ;))
"Is a corporation with $30+ million in net assets large enough?"
The problem is that any browser will need such a large community to maintain it, that you will eventually end up with a large corporation mostly concerned with its own survival.
The primary interest of Mozilla is not to provide a good browser, the primary interest is to keep on existing and grow. Providing a browser is just a means to this end. It's the same as with any big corporation, tax exempt or tax dodging.
That's why Mozilla has no interest in a "better web". A "better web" would mean to say "no" to bad proposals like "WebAssembly", Bluetooth APIs or HTTP/2. However a "better web" would be simpler and lower the barrier of entry for new browsers. If writing a browser engine was as simple as writing a text editor, we'd have hundreds of engines, all competing to be the fastest and safest. Instead we have an oligopoly. We have a browser engine by Microsoft, one by Apple, one by Google and one by Mozilla. 4 browser engines, all with their own user group. Often they don't even care about fixing bugs, as the web will just develop around those bugs.
The problem is that browsers now are so incredibly complex that you need a large corporation to support them.
Browsers don't have a life of their own with web browser development corporations running behind them desperately trying to catch up. In fact, these outfits keep adding loads of unnecessary bells and whistles so that browsers are now a prime example of massive code bloat and feature overload.
"Large corporations are now in charge of the specifications."
Since you linked to that article about WHATWG, I think it's important to point out that large corporation are in charge of the specifications regardless of whether they're coming from WHATWG or the W3C. The difference between the two is only how many large corporations have a say.
"If Mozilla would just have said "no" to new web standards more often, those standards wouldn't have gotten off the ground and nobody would have had to implement them."
"More likely, Mozilla would have fallen behind its commercially-driven competitors and faded away."
The question is, back when Mozilla had a large market share (it's still significant) would features they did not support be adapted by the web?
When Apple decided to abandon Flash, they had no bigger market share than Mozilla has now. So what did fade, Apple or Flash?
"Could you get away with telling a Firefox user to install Chrome to use your website? Possibly."
Well yes. My default and preferred browser is Vivaldi. But I have to Fire up Fox occasionally to complete transactions on a couple of websites.
Surprisingly the main two culprits are the internet-savvy Nominet & Zen.
"Could you get away with telling a Firefox user to install Chrome to use your website? Possibly."
A number of years back now, Mozilla decided that it would be a great thing if the web became a universal platform that could replace the operating system, and their support for various nastiness like Web Assembly, etc., comes from that philosophy.
I disagree with that philosophy so strongly that it's the primary reason why my support for Mozilla has grown much less enthusiastic than it used to be.
Too true, Mage. I remember what the downvoters don't; that Netscape Navigator, the most developed browser in the world, cost $40 to buy until Microsoft gave everyone IE 3 for free.
I also remember the for all the froofaraw about MS contravening standards (that often were not in place fast enough to keep pace with what developers were demanding), NN had it's own set of non-standard features (like Layers), but was given a pass by the vocal majority.
Free Browsers came directly out of that pissing match. Anyone who doesn't believe all the companies making them would charge for browsers if they could is living in a dream world of faries and magic and Eskimos.
"Anyone who doesn't believe all the companies making them would charge for browsers if they could"
I don't believe that companies would charge for them if they could. Being able to use them to mine and monetize user data is not only more profitable, but it takes a lot less work.
Didn't they get $300 million a year from Google back in 2012 in order to be the default search engine?
Then yahoo were paying them $300 million for the last three years, and now we are back with Google again.
Can someone explain how it is that they've blown through $1.5 billion?
> Can someone explain how it is that they've blown through $1.5 billion?
Currently declaring about $350m for 2016/17 expenditure on software development (lion's share), marketing and administration as the major outgoings. They've declared assets which equate to a bit more than the one year operating costs, but $1.5bn over six years is maybe not so far off.
Money has to come from somewhere so why can't a tiny amount of the normal ad revenue be shared with Mozilla and any other developer of web browsers?
E.g. I visit CNN. An ad is displayed. CNN get paid a small amount when someone clicks on that ad but a small percentage of that payment also goes to the company that developed the browser that allowed the user to visit CNN in the first place.
As long as FF has ads embedded in the platform is how long I'll avoid you like the plague.
Me too. No reason at all why Firefox can not build another product and charge for that - Bugzilla, Filezilla etc. Think what would have happened if Google decided to start putting ads on Chrome.
Think what would have happened if Google decided to start putting ads on Chrome.
But that's what Google does only instead of embedding them in the browser they put them on web pages. Chrome is merely a way to get those ads to and spy on punters. You can close the loop on the internet when you're the size of Google. Mozilla is somewhat smaller and hence stuck inside the browser but I wonder if this won't force an expansion on the back end or will these be third party hosted
You want to force ads down our throat? I'll counter by not downloading your products, not visiting your site, & not doing anything that rewards you financially for your actions.
@Shadow Systems...I'm curious to know something - if you're currently getting benefit from Firefox by using it as a web browser, what are you doing now to reward Mozilla for providing you with that?
Always bemused by arguments like this.
Its not the end-user's fault if a developer can't find a sustainable, legal, business model.
If the developer can't or won't charge for a product, and people don't value it enough to buy it, the product will fail... and no one will care.
If the developer can & will charge for a product, and people value it enough to pay, they they succeed.
That model of commerce served IT for decades, without secretly screwing over users, and without betraying them to adtech and organised crime.
If the developer can't or won't charge for a product, and people don't value it enough to buy it, the product will fail... and no one will care.
No, some, maybe many WILL care. Just in insufficient numbers to do something about it beforehand, having been conditioned by thirty years of various forms of "free" software. Fag packet maths suggest that if Mozilla's activities were funded directly by users they would need to charge about $2.50 a year to break even (some uncertainty around user numbers mind you).
Is $2.50 a year too much for Firefox and other Mozilla software? It would seem so, given that annual contributions to Mozilla are around $5.5m a year, so on average about 2-3 cents per user per year. Its the same with Wikipedia (or the Guardian, or even niche sites like Gridwatch) - many people find these useful, few click on the links to help pay the costs. And many (like the Reg) don't even bother trying a subscription model.
I'd gladly pay $2.50 a year for this purpose; I pay more for many other projects I use. However, the problems remain, and they are many:
There are those who would rather not identify themselves in order to make the payment at all, and even those who would not dislike this would probably not want to identify themselves to have the browser disable this for them, as they've just replaced one identifier with another. My payment in the year won't remove mozilla's problem, and they will keep going with this, so I have to ask whether they will actually care about my desire for privacy. If they are going to use my donation to create an ad tracking system, there are more deserving projects that respect me as a user, and the money would be better used paying them. Furthermore, there are users that should not be expected to pay for something that is, in fact, open source. I view the fact that firefox and related products can be used in less developed countries for free so that the people can use the internet to improve a situation I don't have to endure as a major advantage, and I would oppose any attempt to restrict that.
In short, I will donate to mozilla if they show they will respect me as a user and all other users by not inserting this advertisement crap, that they respect their open source roots and will keep the product free and open to alterations, and that this will continue and not be based on a short-term financial report. They haven't been doing that.
No, some, maybe many WILL care. Just in insufficient numbers to do something
Supply and demand in action.
Is $2.50 a year too much for Firefox and other Mozilla software? It would seem so, given...many (like the Reg) don't even bother trying a subscription model.
Supply and demand again.
Content creators think their stuff is worth more than it is, that is the fundamental problem.
Then you have Mozilla who have been fscking up FF for the last several years because they can't be bothered to listen to users. You want users to cough up for a browser? I don't know if it's even possible, but I assure you it is impossible in a competitive area like browsers when you constantly ignore users.
You have to actually get something for your donation besides feels, you know. What I have gotten is a collection of browsers because FF went to crap. At this point I have no plans to even have it installed again. MS can sorta get away with this behavior because they aren't in a severely competitive situation, though slowly, consumers are bypassing the Wintel stranglehold with phones, and it gets moreso every year. You treat users like crap, and they want to leave. How long it takes depends largely on how competitive the field is.
I just installed a new Mint complete with FF - I need to work out all over again how to get rid of pocket.
(In case you're worried, ublock origin and noscript are already on there; that's a reflex action).
But on the subject of the subject - I'm not quite sure how FF are planning to show these adverts, but if they do, they won't be showing them to me.
On new browser windows, when Options / General / Home page is set to default of "Mozilla Firefox Start Page" then the content below the search text control is things like "Top Sites" (your recent most visited links) and "Recommended by Pocket" , links to charming articles like "Why the scientific finding that trees 'sleep' at night is beautiful" and "The Perks of a Play-in-the-Mud Educational Philosophy".
(The above described as on FF59.0.2)
If the mooted "horrors!" are as unobtrusive and ignorable as these suggested links on an otherwise blank startup page, then this is much ado about nothing.
unfortunately it always starts gently, regardless of the field. Think what came out of originally inspired ideas, like google, think "social media" and "community-based sharing". Think terrorist legislation that came for the communists, sorry, terrorists, sorry, extremists, sorry, perverts, sorry, children.
"how to get rid of pocket."
As well as the above, I go as far as searching for pocket, and removing the URL's it visits too. Can't be too safe.
As for inbuilt ads - adverts have never been a source of malware, ever, have they? /s
"browser.pocket.enable" doesn't seem to exist in Firefox 52.x (ESR), on CentOS 7.x."
Indeed. my about:config was based on FF43.0.4* (win32) so later ones will most likely be in a subtly different option.
*I won't go beyond that as there is so much bloat in later versions to disable I can't be arsed trawling through about:config or finding out that I can no longer disable said bloat because the option has been removed in the newer version.
Article 4(1) defines “personal data” as follows (all emphasis added unless otherwise stated):
‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person;
Clear enough for you?
Recital 24 states:
The processing of personal data of data subjects who are in the Union by a controller or processor not established in the Union should also be subject to this Regulation when it is related to the monitoring of the behaviour of such data subjects in so far as their behaviour takes place within the Union. In order to determine whether a processing activity can be considered to monitor the behaviour of data subjects, it should be ascertained whether natural persons are tracked on the internet including potential subsequent use of personal data processing techniques which consist of profiling a natural person, particularly in order to take decisions concerning her or him or for analysing or predicting her or his personal preferences, behaviours and attitudes.
Data collection and processing to track and understand shoppers’ behaviors therefore likely qualifies as personal data.
It would have been far better if they'd classified that data as _personal property_ and established a value for it like Copyright's compulsory license for music, then provided a private right of action against infringers. _That_ would create a serious incentive for the proper handling of your info and returned us all to our traditiinal role as customers instead of product.
Under GDPR there is an explicit legal requirement that all services require an explicit Opt-IN by the user. By automatically enabling a service which requires the user to Opt-OUT this contravenes GDPR, resulting in a fine from the 25th May 2018. FYI, the European Data Protection Board has reportedly informed the various national Data Protection Registrars not to be lenient in respect of fines.
Something else I don't get is the whole "analytics are done on the local browser client so we don't need to slurp your personal information server side (Halo)" bunkum.
Surely they can reconstruct the user's preferences from logging the specific ads requested by the client post analysis. If the client realises I've looked at a page showing ovens and I've done a search for kettles the ID will be linked to someone who is in the market for kitchen appliances (or even a new kitchen?) when adverts for toasters and Dishwashers are requested. If all these requests are linked to an "anonymous" client ID (as noted by the AC OP) quite a profile can be built up unless the client ID is changed/flushed every time the browser is started (or on demand).
Apparently not, because all this ad stuff is going to happen when you create a new tab, not when you start FF.
I can't say I'm very bothered by it all. If I start a new tab it's because I'm going to type a URL to get somewhere, so I'll likely not pay any attention to any clutter below the URL bar.
what the hell this means: "... users need to trade their privacy and data in exchange for personalized, high quality experiences."???? Exactly what does this buzz phrase of "personalized, high quality experiences" mean??? I just want to go to a website... I don't need "personalized" and sure as hell don't want ads for stuff I bought a week ago. And no... you can't have my personal data because "ads". Dammit, that's another browse headed for the bitbucket.
"what does this buzz phrase of "personalized, high quality experiences" mean???"
I don't know, you don't know, and if the people using it were to try to explain it, I probably wouldn't believe them anyway.
What I do know is that the BBC use those words as an excuse for why everyone now needs to sign in to BBC iPlayer (in my case, primarily iPlayer Radio). This despite me having multiple decades of honest licence paying.
Y'know what? Some of us don't need, and don't particularly want, 'more "personalized, high quality experiences"', whether it's iPlayer or some other excuse for the slurping of personal information.
Some of us out here that pay these people's wages want more transparency, fewer accounts+passwords and less tracking. Please? Pretty please?
All this web slurping is likely to be pointless anyway quite soon, outside the corporate world. In a few years time the vast majority of punters will be using (maybe forced into using) mobile phone apps to do stuff that they would, historically, have been able to do with a fairly basic ad-free, Flash-free (java and js-free, and) browser. The kind of thing which Berners-Lee was thinking about, and some of us still do.
How do we make it happen?
[edit: mention java, js, and various other unnecessary junk which now are taken for granted :(]
When I first saw it appear on the toolbar I thought it was a function along the lines of 'save to read later', not something that involved yet another third party like those share bar things or even those 'copy this link' buttons. I removed the icon anyway as for me it was just clutter,
The wake-up on these came when giving someone a direct i.e. non-published link to a data file (not porn or warez, crazy I know) that was too big to sensibly email, they did 'copy link' of some kind from the email with the details and immediately there was an attempt to fetch the file from whatever (legitimate!) service had processed the 'sharing' of that link between an email and their browser.
I think it was simply a 'does it exist' probe rather than an attempt to download the whole thing but I quickly killed the temporary thttpd anyway before renaming the file and using that old fashioned speaking thing to communicate the change.
I wish there was an easier way to do a new-install configuration. Install these extensions, disable this that and the other, and change the UI in the following ways.
It seems like the more configuring I have to manually do after installing a product, the less I wind up liking it. When I first installed Mint with MATE, I think I made three whole changes.... contrast with spending longer doing config changes on XP than the install and patching process took! (Until I discovered nlite and made a really good install image, anyhow... but that's now years ago.)
"I wish there was an easier way to do a new-install configuration. Install these extensions, disable this that and the other, and change the UI in the following ways."
Install, configure then take a backup of the relevant identities directory and profiles.ini file. You'll find adding that to a subsequent new install (even on a different machine, or OS), everything will be as you set it without having to chance any config options. Bookmarks, history, passwords, installed extensions - it's all there. So adding that to a fresh install before launching FF will save a lot of config time.
I stopped FF upgrading to the last version because of the changes with addons/plugins.
I was waiting for it to settle down but this is not encouraging.
I usually run two different browsers on my main system so that I can log into the same site with two different IDs at the same time. Mainly for email.
So Chrome and FF at the moment. Perhaps a try with Opera again?
I hurriedly switched to v52.x ESR last summer before the main update channel moved to v57(?) which modified user profiles to be incompatible with a move back to v52 ESR. I'll cling to v52 ESR for the next few months until it goes out of support then I'll have to sort an alternative. Pale Moon is the current favourite as it runs all the old FF add ons. YMMV
I also reinstalled an older version of firefox, mainly as I didn't like the alterations to noscript for the new versions. I'm happy blocking all scripts by default, and then only allowing the ones I want each time. Others might think this is a faff, but I prefer knowing that any access is my choice/fault.
I'll cling to v52 ESR for the next few months until it goes out of support then I'll have to sort an alternative
Why look for an alternative, it doesn't stop working when they drop support.
On this machine I'm using firefox 17.0.11esr without many problems (the only problem is with some https sites where I don't have the cert). My main machine has firefox 38.8.0esr which I may up to 45.9.0 at some time in the future if I can be bothered.
Just download and install Waterfox. It's exactly the same as the old Firefox but without any of the bullshit.
All your old addons and customisations work. You can only tell it's not Firefox because the logo is blue. It's on version 56.x now. It literally takes 2 minutes.
I think I heard that before... more than once. More than twice... more than I care to remember. In short, this assurance means shit, because EVEN IF they can't / won't do it NOW, it doesn't mean they can't / won't do it next week, month, or year. But hey, the message's for the other 99.999999% who can sleep safe and sound now with the knowledge that the Mozilla Foundation is the only one they can REALLY trust!
"add sponsored links to its browser in January 2018"
I said this was daft then.
Pocket is pointless and potentially invasive spyware (wanted pages saved on 3rd party server instead of users saving them).
As I've said frequently, they have lost the plot totally. On GUI, research, customisation, plug-ins etc. Still using Firefox 52ESR on desktop. The Mobile version is poo, though works. Very bad phone GUI though better than it was.
"that users need to trade their privacy and data in exchange for personalized, high quality experiences,"
First up, that's bullshit. Let me reword it truthfully: you need users to accept trading their privacy and data in exchange for apparently more specific advertising.
Secondly, have you even considered that us Europeans have more stringent "rights"? Use whichever search engine you're in bed with to look up GDPR.
Thirdly, doing business with a company implies a measure of trust and confidence (I know, I know, so old fashioned). A company that is willing to use dishonest means to profile me without permission or notification for advertising (that is, stuff I notice on more than one site in a day or two (depending on memory and wakefulness)) is written down in a notepad as a list of companies to never do business with. I flag DNT and I scramble cookies. Anything that doesn't give me random adverts is disregarding my choices, and anything that is noticed through this is blacklisted.
Finally, anything that is capable of uniquely identifying a user for advert profiling etc is capable of uniquely identify a user, period. Can we please get away from this idiotic mentality that one is "anonymous" if you aren't known by name? There are many many ways to identify a person uniquely. Will GPS and WiFi SSIDs be a part of this identification? If so, I live rural. Very rural. Congratulations, you've just narrowed it down to one of two people on planet Earth, and looking to see whether it's animé/geek or crochet will determine which. You don't need my name to identify me (though a location will give an address so it can be looked up)... Anonymous is anonymous and useless for advert profiling. Anything else is not anonymous.
Presumably an extension will quickly appear to disable this horror. Maybe an upgrade to AdBlock Plus, maybe a new one.
But when I look at the growing list of privacy and UX extensions I have installed, with accompanying pain every time I set up a new PC, the search for an alternative is beginning to creep closer,
Meanwhile I notice Linus is not yet accepting commercial backdoors and data leaks into his OS kernel, nor is GNU building adware into Grub or Gnome, and they don't seem to be suffering a dearth of sponsorship.
Mozilla is not and never can be a Google, Apple or Microsoft. It originally gained its sponsorship from certain quarters precisely because it was the healthy alternative. It grew dominant for a short time only because it was outperforming the overly-complacent commercial competition and that is unlikely to happen again. If it fails in its traditional role then its backers will all pick one of the many willing replacements lurking around.
Mozilla the open source foundation is dead, now they run Mozilla corporation like a generic startup. And Firefox will hit the wall.
So much stupidity, FirefoxOS and Servo dead, Firefox still XUL and XPCOM based (but not compatible with addons on purpose - why? the UI is still XUL). And now they change the UI every months, and slurp data at random (like redirecting all DNS requests to Mozilla corp server last month). Don't use Firefox and Thunderbird. Use Chromium and K9-Mail.
Like others I am on on an old FF version so I can still use the addins I want (xul lovelies with no replacemanet in new low functionality chromey style FF addon world ).
The last few years have all seemed to be about alienating users & making it harder and harder to have a secure & customized browser (addon needed for cookie management as they remove fine grained control from native menu system - WTF?)
Theres no point becoming a chrome clone - if I want chrome alike I can install the real thing
Been using it as my main browser Since 2003 when Blaster struck (Back on my Win98/XP Dual Booter), and until last year, I loved it.
Their push to kill XUL extensions before the WebExtentions API's were finished meant the six plugins I used to make the web work the way I wanted all stopped; spent the last two months trying to replicate the functionality with modern extensions, but it's just not possible (Protip; Not having a frikkin' toolbar API tells you everything you need to know about their attitude to portability, flexibility, and legacy)
So: If it looks like Chrome, serves ads like Chrome, and has less extensions than Chrome... why not just use Chrome?
Or even better, Palemoon or Waterfox, which is the decision I'm currently trying to make.
Just as with Google, Facebook and Twitter, the free part is actually the sickness at the heart of all these privacy, advert, intrusion and manipulation problems.
If something claims to be "free" ... it's almost certainly a marketurd's lie. There is no "free" if there are conditions attached. BOGOF in the supermakret is not free, because there is a condition attached: you have to buy one. "Free if you fill in our poll" is not free. "Free if we can seize your data and analyse it to try and sell you shit" is not free.
Thus we have Facebook Cancer: sheer exploitation in the name of almost insane greed.
But people are eternally stupid, lazy and greedy, and so they keep licking up "free" and getting shafted.
My radical view is that the law should absolutely prohibit any private companies collecting one scrap of data more than is required for operational compliance, purchasing, delivery, provision of services etc. Not a single item of data that has no operational use. Creation of such data would also be banned. Past purchase history would be an exception for obvious reasons, but even then your supplier would be flatly prohibited from any collective crunching on that data beyond preparing accounts. There would be none of this "Other things you might like ..." garbage, which is always laughably wrong anyway.
Why would this be good? Because Facebook and Google etc would then have to start charging for services. Whether it's $2/month for Facebook or £1.00 for 10,000 Google searches, or whatever, they would have to charge for their service, and you would revert to being what you always should have been: a paying customer with rights, dignity, privacy and very clear protections and entitlements.
If based on a degree of volume, you might even find that the 'net wasn't quite so full of shit, like photos of some idiot's lunch, or endless Twittorrhoea. Hell, people might even re-learn how to remember things instead of turning to Google every two minutes.
(If we charged just 1p for every ten emails sent, we could end the scourge of spam, get people to think more about the value of what they use on the 'net, and generate billions for a fund for internet security improvements or whatever. The disgusting Google model of spying on your private correspondence in order to sell shit would never have happened.)
Other benefits: forced into a paying model, the giants could at last be challenged by upstarts. We could see decent social media rivals to Facebook popping up, ready to compete on price, speed, privacy, ethics and efficiency. DDG could transition from being a niche engine (which sucks some Google stuff anyway) with a stupid off-putting name, to a genuine competitor to Google.
Yet another advantage is that adverts would abruptly have to move from the "throw shit at a wall and see what sticks" mode we see today—where internet ads are actually even worse, shittier and more amateurish than radio ads, something you wouldn't have thought possible—to becoming creative, imaginative, entertaining and attention-catching in good ways. Think of the difference between an old Carling (swill) ad with the Mission Impossible squirrel versus today's witless "He who drinks Foster's" (even worse swill) trash ads. Ads don't have to be clumsy garbage. We simply need to create a playing field where they cost enough to be worth doing properly.
Remember when the internet had choice aplenty, and you could look for what worked best for you, and vote with your feet? When the 'net actually felt lilke a place of opportunity and innovation and new ideas?
If we (or our governments, which is the obvious weak point in all this, being run by lobbyist-funded morons) were prepared to think radically and creatively about Facebook Cancer we could actually solve it quite easily. It needs only legislation, and the market would then sort itself out (while squealing like pigs, I grant you).
We really just need to wake the f*** up and start thinking about what kind of 'net we want for our grand-children.
instead of all this data slurping, I would sooner pay for a version of firefox that does not show adverts.
in fact, I would sooner it was an option of all free to use, but adverts pays for our lighting bill software or platforms gave a ad free paid service.
A lot of free android apps have this, pay a small amount for the add free version.
When I get a new Firefox I go into About:Config and XXX out any Http or Https (i.e xxxhttps: of xxxhttp:) link to kill those Dragons.
The worst that happens is a link in the address bar prefaced with xxx that I can remove If I give it permission to use my computer system for it's own purposes.
If any add in does not have an option to switch off calls home to mother or links elsewhere it gets the boot.
“We’ve come to accept a premise around advertising today that users need to trade their privacy and data in exchange for personalized, high quality experiences, ...”
Not all of us have! The highest quality user experience I can define is no adverts at all. When I want you I'll call you. Until then leave me in peace. I'd happily donate for a good quality bloat-free non-intrusive product, but I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for any of the current browsers.
Circling the drain.
*Sigh* I've been using Firefox since it was Phoenix out of the mozilla project. I've resisted the urge to move to other browsers. Sadly.. especially with Pocket .. they're starting to annoy me almost sufficiently to want to experiment with another browser. :(
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