back to article It's April 2018, and we've had to sit on this Windows 10 Spring Creators Update headline for days

Microsoft has yet to release the Spring Creators Update to Windows 10. We've been sitting here waiting with a story about the launch ready to go, and nothing. Now people are starting to talk. Rumored to arrive on April 10 alongside Patch Tuesday, the Spring Creators Update, aka version 1803 aka Red Stone 4, is due to deliver …

  1. JakeMS
    Joke

    Wait wait...

    Wait wait wait, so they could actually be fixing a bug before it affects users? Did they actually test it this time?!

    Holy smoke! That would be a first when it comes to Windows 10! Maybe this release truly will be different!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Wait wait...

      Holy smoke! That would be a first when it comes to Windows 10! Maybe this release truly will be different!

      They've changed the Blue Screen of Death into Pink Screen of Death.

      /joke

      1. yoganmahew

        Re: Wait wait...

        "some people found that their computers were unable to easily and automatically pick up any more fixes and patches from Windows Update"

        That's not a bug, it's a feature I've been looking for since W10!

      2. teknopaul Silver badge

        Re: Wait wait...

        I have the Pink Screen Of Death already. Everytime my win box crashes (or decides to force an upgrade on me) it reboots itself into Ubuntu. Not my doing, seems this is a feature.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Wait wait...

      How to make news from no news!

    3. Steve Evans

      Re: Wait wait...

      If the bug is in Cortana they might as well just ship it... Nobody is going to notice.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Microsoft’s business models require stealing and reselling personal data

    ....."When we talk about why we're upgrading the Windows 10 install base, why is that upgrade free? MS CFO asked during a meeting with Wall Street analysts. These are all new monetization opportunities once a PC is sold. Microsoft's strategy is to go low on consumer Windows licenses, hoping that that will boost device sales, which will in turn add to the pool of potential customers for 'Advertising'".....

    ....."CEO Nadella has referred to the customer revenue potential as 'lifetime value' in the past -- and did so again last week during the same meeting with Wall Street -- hinting at Microsoft's strategy to make more on the back end of the PC acquisition process. The more customers, the more money those customers will bring in as they view 'Ads'".....

    https://www.computerworld.com/article/2917799/microsoft-windows/microsoft-fleshes-out-windows-as-a-service-revenue-strategy.html

  3. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

    Why the delay MS?

    the answer is that it is probably a bigger pile of shite than other updates than previous updates and will probably bork millions more devices and the lawyers have finally seen sense and told them "No. Do not release this [redacted] until we say so."

    Ok, so I'm dreaming but MS is just a distant dream to me so directly, I don't care. What I do care about are the ordinary users who will no doubt get well and truly shafted by this update.

    The guy doing my bathroom at the moment is tearing what little hair he has left out because the last update stopped him printing invoices and quotes for new work. I'll be going to take a look at it when he's done later today. He's the sort of person that MS screws up not us, the readers of this fine site. We (probably) know enough to sort the issues but the like of him don't.

    Never mind, the sales droids at PC-World will see a lot more people after a new computer in the next week or so because their old one no longer works. So there is a bright side... really... honest... (sic)

  4. Gene Cash Silver badge

    Mark Zuckerberg appearing before US Congress

    Could it be Microsoft is rethinking all the telemetry you can't opt out of? Perhaps they don't want to take a similar beating over privacy? Maybe Nadella looks at Zuck and goes "I don't wanna be there"?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Mark Zuckerberg appearing before US Congress

      Given some of the toggle switches relating to Windows Update were found to be operating opposite to their shown switch position (in Anniversary Update), how many of Windows 10 Privacy settings are 'accidentially' doing the same?

      Maybe MS decided to double check, make sure the Privacy toggles are really working as they should. There have been reports on twitter this week they aren't.

      (No, scrub that thought - that's just not Microsoft).

      I remember in early builds of Windows 10 insider how the laptop camera light would operate during setup. I'm sure Microsoft have collected a lot of 'loose data' from incorrect toggles over Windows 10 lifetime.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      'Similar beating over privacy?'

      What beating??? Zuk pretty much 'gave the finger' to lawmakers whenever he was asked about User-Data & Advertisers. See here:

      https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/11/17225482/facebook-shadow-profiles-zuckerberg-congress-data-privacy

      .

      Meanwhile Investors cheered, and commentators said Zuk stood his ground! I'd like to believe in the possibility you're right. But it feels like we're are on a slow death march to Tech-Stasi. Look at these 2 journalistic pieces from the normally very 'pro-US' Irish media:

      .

      https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/0321/949109-social-media-regulation/

      .

      "Don’t share, don’t like, don’t download, don’t post unless you understand and are prepared to live with the consequences of your actions. Inform yourself about privacy settings and if you dislike the options or the results, then simply stop using an app, or better still, delete it.

      The old hackneyed phrase, if you are not paying for an internet product, then you are the product, has a strong element of truth to it. As a result, if you want to help influence behaviour in the internet industry the only effective way you can do so is by withdrawing your trust and your data, which are the lifeblood of the tech industry.

      And whatever happens, don’t take it for granted that tech companies, regulators or politicians have your back. Because if the last few days have proven anything, it is that they clearly don’t."

      https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/opening-our-digital-door-to-welcome-in-tech-stasi-police-1.3155208

    3. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: Mark Zuckerberg appearing before US Congress

      Maybe Nadella looks at Zuck and goes "I don't wanna be there"?

      Nah... the ego of those in charge like him think: "I'll never be there. I'm too smart for that."

  5. Dan 55 Silver badge

    "we've had to sit on this Windows 10 Spring Creators Update headline for days"

    Correct, so far for two of them.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "we've had to sit on this Windows 10 Spring Creators Update headline for days"

      Given MS never announced the 10th April and there isn't an RTM as such, MS technically haven't sat on anything.

      But let's not get distracted from the MS data slurping methods being aggressively ramped up here in Windows 10, release on release, now everyone is sitting nicely on the sausage machine update conveyor belt, in which you can't jump off.

      Blithely excused with the MS bitch slapping line, "Well you didn't pay for it".

      1. The Original Steve

        Re: "we've had to sit on this Windows 10 Spring Creators Update headline for days"

        Have you used the insider preview of 1803? There's a boat load of additional controls added to let you turn off lots more of the slurp.

        So as it goes, release on release, we can actually rudce the slurp - it's not increased.

        But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant

        1. joed

          Re: "we've had to sit on this Windows 10 Spring Creators Update headline for days"

          If any of this can be trusted, one can turn off some of the slurp in newer build. At the same time it's becoming more difficult to dispatch Cortana that creeps her way into tasks that never required connected search. I'm not particularly convinced by MS' intentions.

        2. jelabarre59 Silver badge

          Re: "we've had to sit on this Windows 10 Spring Creators Update headline for days"

          Have you used the insider preview of 1803?

          I had been, but then the spare laptop I was running the Technical Preview on decided it would no longer even power on. Which is interesting in that the *prior* machine I had been running MSW10 TechPreview on *also* decided to no longer power on...

          Your hardware will commit suicide rather than run MSWin10

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "we've had to sit on this Windows 10 Spring Creators Update headline for days"

        "Blithely excused with the MS bitch slapping line, "Well you didn't pay for it"."

        Well except for enterprise customers and anyone for the last several months (unless they used the workarounds)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: "we've had to sit on this Windows 10 Spring Creators Update headline for days"

          As tag lines go, that one certainly hits home.

  6. Colonel Mad

    but it's nice to know Microsoft isn't just knowingly shipping broken code, WTF!

  7. nagyeger

    GDPR rights vs MS

    I wonder what happens if/when someone (on May 26th) demands MS (a) hand over all the data they have on them (b) delete it, (c) never collects any more, (d) does not contact them for advertising purposes.

    Does MS send them a complementary copy of Windows 95, freedos, or ubuntu?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: GDPR rights vs MS

      Probably a replacement biro and notepad.

      (In terms of privacy, it can work a whole lot better at times, like seldom used medical records historically held locally in a GP's surgery).

    2. LDS Silver badge

      Re: GDPR rights vs MS

      Maybe the delay it's because recently Nadella asked "hey, underling, what's this GDPR thing everybody now talks about?" - and after it, he started to calculate how a huge fee could impact his bonus...

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: GDPR rights vs MS

      GDPR still has to be enforced... Where are the governmental and regulator resources going to come from - Ireland?! ... I can tell you right now, the Irish-DPC is too busy hiding to give a **** about you and your request being met! They are a mere puppet for US Tech Giants, and a buffer between Government and Journalists etc! The ODPC knew Facebook data-sharing with Cambridge Analytica was illegal years ago. They tried to shut Schrems up! Don't get your hopes up. Just stop buying Win10!

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        1. LoriQ

          Re: GDPR rights vs MS

          Shadmeister - You mean what you posted is new to you? The first thing you should do anytime you use an app or program or Operating System is to check the privacy policy and check out what data they collect and see if you can block any of your data being sent. I have known about all the ways you can stop your computer from sending your data to Microsoft on Windows 10 since I started using Windows 10. You see, before I even started using Windows 10 I did some research on Windows 10 and found out Microsoft collects an awful lot of personal data and learned how to protect my private data being sent to Microsoft. I didn't see you mention the Microsoft Privacy Dashboard. There's a few things there you can delete your data that Microsoft has already collected. You can also see what Microsoft actually collected from your computer. In these days especially everyone needs to be aware of what they are sharing and to whom and to see if they can stop whatever it is whenever they use their computers or smartphones. I just cannot believe the amount of information, private information people actually share online. I haven't used Facebook in years. I don't see a need. I have deleted my profile and closed my account with Facebook. Facebook collects way too much data from its users and they share it with whomever they want. You can say but you can turn off certain things that Facebook collects. It doesn't matter. When you open an account with Facebook they know your name and email address and they also know your IP address every time you logon. Plus they know whatever you post or what messages you send and to whom. Nothing is totally private. Even this website.

          1. joed

            Re: GDPR rights vs MS

            "Microsoft Privacy Dashboard. There's a few things there you can delete your data that Microsoft has already collected." - the problem is that this requires one to create and login with MS account thus making it even easier for them to collect more personally identifiable information. Pointless if you've asked me. Once data is collected it's out of your reach, MS' word can be believed, or not.

      2. Bronek Kozicki Silver badge

        Re: GDPR rights vs MS

        GDPR still has to be enforced - that's why I support NOYB

  8. Julian 8

    Beefed up Cortana

    It's being removed or going to use a search engine that can actually search ?

    1. LDS Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Beefed up Cortana

      They just made her fattier...

      1. Teiwaz Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Beefed up Cortana

        Beefed suggests the likes of 'brawny' rather than anything more adiposal.

        Sounds to me like she might be more aggressive...

        dungarees, boots and lumberjack shirts in the wardrobe...?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Beefed up Cortana

      More likely they made it transmit even more "background noise" back to HQ.

      Cortana, Siri, Alexa, all the same...

      1. teknopaul Silver badge

        Re: Beefed up Cortana

        Do you think the author noticed this beef curtains reference? Phnarr phnarr

    3. jelabarre59 Silver badge

      Re: Beefed up Cortana

      Is it coincidence that "Cortana" is an AI character in Microsoft's Halo game franchise?

      1. Alphebatical

        Re: Beefed up Cortana

        > Is it coincidence that "Cortana" is an AI character in Microsoft's Halo game franchise?

        It's a bit well known that's where the name came from(like Edge's working name of Spartan). They just didn't change it for launch(unlike Edge).

    4. localgeek

      Re: Beefed up Cortana

      I disabled and hid Cortana immediately after installing Windows 10. I wonder if this "beefed up" version is going to override my settings and re-enable a tool I don't want or need?

  9. hplasm Silver badge
    Coat

    Spring creators Edition

    It's a wind up...

  10. Ben1892
    Linux

    I've not booted into Windows on my home devices since it started failing CU patches post-

    Meltdown/Spectre (Haswell refresh CPU), so I'm really not going to miss an update for something I don't use.

    I have a question though what is a "Creators update" ? Why is it called that and why prefix with Fall/Spring without changing the "Creators" bit I was expecting a yearly name change, like "Imagineers update" or "Architectors update"

    1. Mark 85 Silver badge

      In a word -- Marketing. Why else? Personally, I'm waiting for the Bubba's Update just because of the way it sounds.

    2. elDog Silver badge

      Since there are more Creationists in the US than Ecologists

      I dunno. Maybe all the tall mountains on the west coast were spoken for. Or cute names like Bob, Bixly, Cortana, Stormy didn't work out so well.

      You gotta feel sorry for this behemoth of a company that has continued in business at least 30 years too long. Anybody have a kid that says "I want to grow up to be a Microsoft Engineer"? Or IBM, Oracle.

      1. LDS Silver badge

        "have a kid that says "I want to grow up to be a Microsoft Engineer?"

        While he plays on an XBox? <G>

      2. jelabarre59 Silver badge

        Re: Since there are more Creationists in the US than Ecologists

        Anybody have a kid that says "I want to grow up to be a Microsoft Engineer"? Or IBM, Oracle.

        I've just outright said my daughter should avoid the IT field entirely.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Because the 'new' Microsoft under SatNad is all about maintaining the hipster image

      Hence hipster names such as 'Creators Update' , 'Anniversary Update' etc.

      Simple numbering such as SP1, SP2, perhaps appended by the year of release, is no longer cool for the folks at Redmond.

      Other observable traits of the hipster Microsoft: SatNad seems to have raided Steve Jobs' wardrobe, back in the day Ballmer usually wore a suit during keynote presentations. Silly chummy messages in Windows 10 ("We couldn't complete the updates, Undoing changes." Who exactly is 'we'?) talking to the user like he/she is a child. Oh, and who can forget that logo change in 2012?

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge

        Re: Because the 'new' Microsoft under SatNad is all about maintaining the hipster image

        it was always about hype and marketing

        "We are excited" <-- like a dog when you grab the leash

        "will share" <-- psycho-babble speak for "let you know"

        etc.

        I actually had someone tell me to use the word 'feel' instead of 'think' because 'think' sounds too strong. It's based on THAT kind of *FEELING* (not thinking). Touchy-feely psychobabble PAP.

        And Micro-shaft's upper management is FILLED with that kind of "*FEELING*" apparently.

  11. Ian Emery Silver badge
    Coffee/keyboard

    " extensive rounds of testing"

    How very Troll, I mean droll.

    Reading that made me choke on my rice crispies.

    1. ma1010 Silver badge

      Re: " extensive rounds of testing"

      @Ian Emery

      Yes, LMAO! El Reg owes us both a new keyboard.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    MS is also the abbreviation of a particularly unpleasant autoimmune disorder.

    Coincidence ?

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Is it called Spring Creators edition because it'll create a shit load of issues.

  14. TheresaJayne

    Every creators update on my friend's computer has had the following 2 effects

    1) uninstall Malwarebytes antimalware (paid version)

    2) uninstall the old windows 7 Mahjongg they obtained and installed with a seperate launcher

  15. The Average Joe Bloggs

    cant win

    If they release on time and find bugs, they get flamed. If they delay in order to fix bugs, they get flamed.

    Microsoft simply cannot win, even though for the vast majority of users, myself included, rarely have any issues at all with windows.

    People just like to moan, half of them probably dont use windows anyway, but like their meaningless opinion heard anyway.

    Fantastic, you use linux, good job on that. Next you guys will be blaming the delay on Brexit, as everything else that goes wrong is blamed on brexit

    1. Paul Shirley

      Re: cant win

      To be fair I've not had any misbehavior from Win10 today. I expect that to change rapidly when I get out of bed and fire up the PC, like every other day to date.

    2. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: cant win

      They can't win because their product is shit and has been for decades.

      Nobody's fault but their own.

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: cant win

        "and has been for decades"

        I'd say "nearly a decade" (since 'Ape' released). 7 was 'ok'. I'd call it 'moderately acceptable'. Everything _SINCE_ then, however, oughta be burned as toxic waste.

    3. Hans 1 Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: cant win

      Have an upvote, coming from me ... heaven must must be on fire ...

      I was reading through all the comments and reached yours, the first sensible one. MS is not late, it has not given us a date, yet.

      Besides, I am still waiting for the corporates to install the patch Tuesday stuff and report issues before I install that, so not a good time, imho, to release a Spring Kreator's Update (aka Bringer of Torture).

      Brexit, again ? What has MS got to do with that ? And yes, I use Linux, also ...

    4. jelabarre59 Silver badge

      Re: cant win

      Fantastic, you use linux, good job on that. Next you guys will be blaming the delay on Brexit, as everything else that goes wrong is blamed on brexit

      Don't know about "brexit", but wouldn't mind having a nyexit (as in the rest of NY State breaking away from that cesspool known as NYC).

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: cant win

      You don't need to be a Linux user/evangelist to find Microsoft utterly deplorable, especially under the new direction of SatNad.

      Most people who despise Microsoft use its products... out of necessity and merely tolerating them.

  16. Korev Silver badge
    FAIL

    Antipodean edition?

    It's on the spring for the Northern hemisphere; why do they insist on misnaming it for the other half of the planet... And don't get me started on calling the previous update "fall" instead of autumn!

    1. King Jack
      Trollface

      Re: Antipodean edition?

      Duh? As you well know the USA is the whole world. Every other country is just a fantasy made up to make the USA look bad. Their laws are global and Trump is 'The Leader of the Free World'. It's true, just ask any American.

      1. elDog Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Antipodean edition?

        Please. USA is so limiting. Just call it AMERICA.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Antipodean edition?

      Just wait for the "Monsoon" edition...

  17. J J Carter Silver badge
    Windows

    Zzzzz

    Or you could just give an overview of the last Redstone 4 build than came out on the Fast Ring for Insiders

  18. Terry 6 Silver badge

    If

    If they're making sure it all works well before they release it that's to the good. Previous updates have proven dodgy. Sometimes failing. Other times installing but failing to admit it's installed and trying over and over again..

    Personally I'd be pleased if they just provided error messages that had useful information. There's something about an error message for a failed install that decodes along the lines of " installation failed to instal because there was a problem installing it..." that is somewhat infuriating.

  19. Irongut

    Fake news

    Several of my coworkers installed SCU earlier this week from an ISO. I've seen them using the new features.

  20. ecofeco Silver badge

    Win 10, the NEW Vista!

    The updates to 10 have been the worst I have seen in years.

    Truly 10 is the new Vista. Half baked and not ready for prime time.

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Win 10, the NEW Vista!

      you shouldn't insult Windows Vista by comparing it to 10.

      1. jelabarre59 Silver badge

        Re: Win 10, the NEW Vista!

        you shouldn't insult Windows Vista by comparing it to 10.

        "Odd-numbered StarTrek Movie Edition"?

  21. doublelayer Silver badge

    And I doubt many will get it

    Given how windows update works these days, there will be many people who never get this update and will be languishing on old versions of windows 10 forever.

    For example, I was trying to help a friend who owns a surface that is running windows 10 1607. Because of a firmware problem, the battery in this surface can't store its correct charge, so it will die if disconnected from power. Microsoft realized this and released a fix, but it can only be installed if the device is connected to power and has 40% or more battery. Because of the firmware problem, the battery never gets to 40%, so the problem can't be fixed. Because of the firmware not being up to date, large updates won't install. Because of security updates that are probably big deals, microsoft wants to install new big updates. The result being that the machine still won't function if not plugged in, and the update procedure would download the 3gb windows 10 image every day and fail to install it, only to repeat the next day. I was unable to get the firmware fixed so the updates and battery would work, so the only solution I had was to tape the power adapter into the socket and kill windows update so that it at least wouldn't waste bandwidth downloading the same image. This using microsoft's hardware and software. Maybe they could use these extra days to fix that

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And I doubt many will get it

      Rule #1: Do not buy software from a hardware company.

      Rule #2: Do not buy hardware from a software company.

      The exception is Apple because they did hardware and software from day 1, but even that can go wrong - ask BlackBerry.

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Revamped user interface

    If it doesn't look like and have a start menu that works like Windows 7 then they can fuck off!

    1. Terry 6 Silver badge

      Re: Revamped user interface

      Well, the Win 7 start menu needed some improvements. It's just that the Win 8.x fiasco and the ghastly Win 10 fudge has made us forget it's faults. The 7 start menu needed to be made easier to organise for a start. Instead they made it hard-to-impossible. F***ing idiots.

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Revamped user interface

        "7 start menu needed to be made easier"

        step 1: turn off sort. then you can drag stuff around.

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Revamped user interface

      don't forget 3D Skeuomorphic instead of the 2D FLATSO!

    3. jelabarre59 Silver badge

      Re: Revamped user interface

      If it doesn't look like and have a start menu that works like Windows 7 then they can fuck off!

      The question is whether this will be the edition that kills ClassicShell.

  23. Phil Kingston Silver badge

    Where's the obligatory "just install Linux" comment?

    1. Mr Templedene

      This is a techie forum, everyone who's any good at IT already has

    2. jelabarre59 Silver badge
      Joke

      Where's the obligatory "just install Linux" comment?

      Just install ReacOS

  24. Rattus Rattus

    I can't even get 1709 to install on my stick PC despite repeated attempts. And the failure doesn't give anything remotely resembling a useful error message. I need to find the time to wrestle with the shitty BIOS so I can convince it to boot off a Linux thumb drive and make the machine actually useful again.

    1. aks Bronze badge

      Installed successfully yesterday on my Windows 10 Mobile.

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's Friday 13th...

    Maybe Microsoft will release it today?

  26. Bill_Sticker
    FAIL

    Windowa s Gi-Go

    Yes, well perhaps this 'upgrade' will fix the bugs introduced by the last 'upgrade' that screwed around with my wireless keyboard and mouse settings and not cause my wi-fi connection to bob up and down like a yo-yo like the last one.

    Windows 7 had its shortfalls, but at least it used to work and not change my system settings.

  27. arrion

    Do you think this mobile update provides better EDGE support for PWAs?

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