back to article Grindr: Yeah, we shared your HIV status info with other companies – but we didn't charge them!

Hookup fixer Grindr is on the defensive after it shared sensitive information, including HIV status and physical location, of its app's users with outside organizations. The quickie booking facilitator on Monday admitted it passed, via HTTPS, people's public profiles to third-party analytics companies to process on its behalf …

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  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Far more damaging than Facebook 50m

    Wait till this data gets lost / hacked / downloaded by Rogue-Insider / 3rd-party leaked. Privacy is one thing, extortion is another! Once in the wild, there's no putting the data 'back in the closet' if you will! The following link is fitting, as this is how the data will end up, no? Amazing how Big Tech gets a 'free-pass' from most of the MSM. Why are aren't they raising hell over this:

    https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-cambridge-analytica-data-on-thousands-of-facebook-users-still-not-deleted

    1. fajensen Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: Far more damaging than Facebook 50m

      Amazing how Big Tech gets a 'free-pass' from most of the MSM. Why are aren't they raising hell over this:

      Not so amazing when one is considering that most of the MSM are owned by Big Tech / Big Corp outright, most of the "news items" are written by Big Tech bot technology running on Big Tech clouds and selected for MSM publication by some algorithms also provided by Big Tech!?

      As a result of "progress", most of todays would-be "hell-raisers" are now eking out a small existence as bloggers and freelancers on the very fringes of MSM, where all fake-news and Russian-agitprop is floating around also. No lucrative Washington Post jobs or professorships for "Disturbers of the Peace and Officialdom" in these so enlightened times!

      If I was a gay muslim person, I'd be very afraid that perhaps some of the local jihaddi boyz or nazis now have the tools and resources to take names and kick ass all thanks to "Social Media" mass-surveillance and subsequent data-scraping for something as trite and 110% useless as the ad-pushers.

      Me being all out of optimism and all, I guess it will take several "bodies of importance" before anyone will care to regulate "The Market".

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Far more damaging than Facebook 50m

        "Not so amazing when one is considering that most of the MSM are owned by Big Tech / Big Corp outright, "

        The problem with most so-called "MSM" is that they are dinosaurs from the past struggling to keep up with "Big Tech". Much of it is owned by "Big Corp" but in most cases they are same dinosaur-like organisations and playing catch-up with the upstart tech companies.

        Labelling it as "MSM" is lazy and dangerous, especially when each persons idea of who and what is included in the "MSM" term is different, but they don't realise that and make assumptions that there is some sort of concensus. Much of the time, "MSM" is a term used by what looks suspiciously like nut-job conspiracy theorists or, for that matter, anyone who happens to disagree with whatever is current in the news.

  3. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

    "So, here's your daily reminder that anything you put online – especially publicly online – can be automatically filed, stamped, indexed, and numbered by ad networks, analytics outfits, search engines, government snoops, social networks, and so on."

    Can be? Will be.

    But it's okay - someone will be making money from this.

    1. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Can be? Will be.

      How about "definitely"...? It might be crims or a government looking for "leverage" but someone will get it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Public privacy?

        "How about "definitely"...?"

        Yes, Indeed, but it seems to me that the real problem are those users who just don't seem to understand that a public forum, and everything they post there, is accessible by everyone else to use or abuse as they see fit - it wasn't Grindr that 'gave' away their details - it was the users themselves.

  4. FozzyBear Silver badge
    Alert

    Remember the good ol' days when the internet was used for sharing information and "B" grade porn. Where the only concept of social media was Usenet or the latter IRC. Where the only thing you had to worry about was getting involved in a flame war or being called a usenet kitten

    I miss those days. can someone please turn back the clock about 20 years, that'll be great

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I miss those days. can someone please turn back the clock about 20 years, that'll be great

      I'd get my hair back!

      1. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

        @AC These days, I have a hairy back.

      2. d3vy Silver badge

        "I miss those days. can someone please turn back the clock about 20 years, that'll be great"

        Reverse puberty - fuck that.

        1. FozzyBear Silver badge
          Happy

          Unfortunately not me just like Anonymous Coward above I'd get my hair back. Oh and plus my sanity, I miss that sometimes

  5. Grade%
    Coat

    Without irony.

    Fucking assholes.

    A good moment to share: http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=md-expert-spinelli

    Nutshell? To Whit: "Drs. Matthew Spinelli and Monica Gandhi examine the evidence that persons living with HIV who have undetectable viral loads on effective antiretroviral treatment have effectively no risk of passing the virus to an uninfected partner."

    I have no desire to inflame a discussion. The above is only offered as information should anyone not be aware of it. It's seminal and important.

    Okay, seminal was intentional.

    Mine's the one with the condoms in the pocket.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If you give your details to any company online ....

    ... expect them to sell them, advertise to you and give them to the government spooks.

    But hey - it's shiny, free and easy to use, so what the fuck do you care.

  7. Tigra 07 Silver badge
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    "Grindr has never, nor will we ever sell personally identifiable user information"

    Translation: We give your personal information away for free to whoever asks for it.

  8. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "It’s important to remember that Grindr is a public forum,"

    It's important to remember that you can trust no website with details on your personal life. Even if the site you use seems correct, that will only last until the next PHB has a brainstorm and decides to profit from your data.

    Expect it to happen, and choose wisely what you publish out there. Even if it is private data registered on a non-public page that the site pinky swears to never, ever reveal - don't trust them.

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    1. Tigra 07 Silver badge

      Re: Location Information Too ?????

      "I already have had family members being abusive, periodically get spiteful remarks from shopping assistants, car damage, and notes on the doormat due to my perceived personal status/sexuality, and this action will just add to the stupidity and misuse of data"

      I'm openly gay and don't get any of that. Do you live in a bad neighbourhood?

      1. Tigra 07 Silver badge

        Re: Location Information Too ?????

        Or one of those small villages where everyone knows everyone...

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      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Location Information Too ?????

        "I'm openly gay and don't get any of that. Do you live in a bad neighbourhood?"

        My own experience (similar to shadmeister's) suggests that bad neighbourhoods are more common than you might think. Sounds like you live in a nice one.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What the

    FUCK do you expect by using a sleazy app such as this.

    No sympathy, not one iota.

    Sorry, not sorry.

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      1. Jediben
        WTF?

        Re: What the

        Sounds like the HIV bit was designed with you in mind

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          1. Jediben

            Re: What the

            " All i want is sex, without the relationship strings."

            Either you are simply having sex with one person, and then leaving immediately after, again and again or you are more likely engaging with multiple people. This behaviour is inevitably going to increase your risk of contracting HIV compared to a monogamous interaction. My suggestion that a person exhibiting this type of behaviour might well be the use case for which the feature was add is perfectly valid, because if people on Grindr were looking for only a single person to be all and end all, it wouldn't be necessary.

    2. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

      Re: What the

      How's the view from that moral highground?

      1. d3vy Silver badge

        Re: What the

        "How's the view from that moral highground"

        I was wondering that too.. Cold and dark down here...

  11. JohnFen Silver badge

    Even worse

    ""Grindr has never, nor will we ever sell personally identifiable user information – especially information regarding HIV status or last test date – to third parties or advertisers," CTO Scott Chen said in a statement."

    Somehow, that makes it even worse. If a company is going to betray its users, at least doing so for money is something people can understand.

  12. c1ue

    I wonder, since HIV is medical information, does this mean Grindr violated HIPAA?

    1. sisk Silver badge

      Nope. Only medical providers or others with access to medical records are bound by HIPAA. Any medical information you choose to share with any other entity is fair game.

  13. sisk Silver badge

    So if I'm getting what's being said here correctly it's less "Grindr shared information" and more "Publicly accessible profiles were scraped." So....yeah, I'm kinda with Grindr here. If you make information public then don't be surprised when third parties get their hands on it.

    On the other hand, given the nature of Grindr, if you're HIV positive, on Grindr, and trying to hide your HIV status....yeah, I've no polite words for someone who does that.

  14. NanoMeter

    "The only gay in the village"

    Perhaps not the best time to be "The only gay in the village". Soon they will start receiving gay advertising in the mail and so on. Not everyone will have it as easy as Daffyd Thomas.

  15. Charles Smith

    Hi Grindr, meet GDPR your new all encompassing friend.

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