Re: @ Halcin
@ Nick Ryan
"So you're OK that a huge number of UK businesses, particularly the smaller ones (who employ more people than the big businesses that everybody focusses on) will go to the wall due to a huge increase in red-tape and costs?"
I have no problem with that. I would have issue if we were expected to end up with high unemployment, but that is not the case. As leaving would reduce some costs and increase others it would adjust the economy. But to argue against that is to argue against trading with those who are cheaper/better than you. Personally I want the cheaper/better product or service, not protect uncompetitive business.
"Does this have anything to do with the example of the UK businesses that will be considerably less competitive all of a sudden?"
I suggest you read the comment if you dont understand.
"What may be the case is that companies operating in Germany"
You are right it is the companies. Benefiting from the trade law Germany has which is the EU trade law and we are discussing trade law.
"There is nothing stopping UK, Spanish, Irish, French or whatever organisations doing exactly the same"
You miss the point. It isnt that members of the cartel can exploit this, it is that outside the cartel we will be rejoining the world. Africa is locked out by the EU but the world is not.
"Flattening such tarriff differences between raw and manufacturerd goods will only bring a small benefit to those purchasing the end product, because they may be able to purchase the product cheaper - however they may be less sure of the production quality and checks required and what happens to those that are no longer employed by the local coffee roasting companies when they close down?"
This is the difference in view. It wont provide the customer a much cheaper product necessarily but it will take people out of absolute poverty in poorer countries and save lives while improving cooperation and mutual advantage. While you are considering those in rich countries who have a welfare system until they find work in one of the many other job options.
"You are quite right about China, they are heavily investing for mutual gain however if a Chinese company owns your infrastructure where does that leave locals?"
With the infrastructure. Unless you suggest China buys the infrastructure and then moves it away? Except they are laying rail to connect through a number of countries which will benefit them all. And the industries set up in those local areas will be in the local areas for the locals. More jobs and employment and mutual benefit. Is that a bad thing?
"Interest rates will go up"
Why is this seen as bad? Currently we have ultra low rates in comparison to the very law rates we had before which was low compared to the double digits it has been in the past. Increasing the interest rates (a good thing) is because inflation is going up (a good thing) which returns us to a better position to deal with the next market correction. The very actions the BoE and treasury have been trying to do since 2008. The very actions continued to this day.
"costs of pretty much everything will go up due to a huge increase in red-tape and bureaucracy"
Ah big mistake. The EU tariffs are a cost. Drop them and the cheaper options become available and red tape on imports is controlled by us (outside the EU). This is where outward looking remainers should group with the outward looking leavers and push the government in that direction. Instead of remainers claiming we are all (can only assume them included) are racists who want to pull up the drawbridge. Nearly all the protectionist and nationalistic statements I hear seem to come from remainers claiming to speak for leave.
"Removing all tariffs, which is a very bad idea because removing them will advantage importers of products that can be produced in cheaper locales"
Do you argue for high tariffs? I am not sure of your position on this. I am happy with low tariffs which mean we get what we want (the people) instead of trapping us with lesser producers.