Wild Arse Guess
Could this be them thinking, "there's a lot of Windows 7 machines out there that we don't want falling victim to Meltdown / Spectre vectored threats, 'coz that'd make us look bad even if it is an old OS."?
Microsoft has back-ported its Windows Defender Advanced Threat Protection (ATP) security toolkit from Windows 10 to Windows 7 and 8.1. The release will allow those holding out with older versions of the OS to get the exploit and malware-infection detection, prevention, and event reporting features offered by Windows 10. For …
If they can inject telemetry here on a pair of 32bit, octocore ARM's, more power to them. I was already moving my x86-64 machines off of the Internet before. Meltdown/Spectre merely reinforce my paranoia as I do all sorts of insane things expecting reliable results. Thankfully, I made heterogeniaty something of a feature here in my laboratory. If I can't rely on the results of my testing regime, where are those of us on the cutting edge of computing going to end up?
Adding ATP to the mix as a mitigation means exactly nothing when it comes utility here. Lipsticks, Pig.
Sounds like he has an infection of the brain. maybe he needs an update? Staying with Win 7 as long as possible. Meltdown has already been patched. Still waiting on Intel to come up with microcode patches for Spectre, so perhaps comments need to be directed elsewhere.
I am glad the genie is granting wishes for Windows 7 users. there is no reason for Microsoft to have taken so long to see support for its other Market share as anything but good. to snub its users is to snub it's future customers.
I still need and use programs than don't not work well with Windows 10, nor do I have a tablet and like many dislike the tablet interface.
If I had known that there were virtual machines built into Windows 8...8.1 and Windows 10, I could have migrated my old operating system to a virtual machine on Windows 10, and would have adopted it early.
Doing now is difficult as I have OEM versions of both Windows 7 and Windows 8..8.1 (Update Anytime).
I have not seen any method that installs windows and migrates Windows 7 into a virtual machine on the same system. (While I have over the years use Linux in VM's, I don't need it at present. It won't work for me.
So I suggest that if Microsoft wanted to migrate Windows 7 & 8 users to Windows 10 all it needs its to create a free (if you already have a license) virtual machine with good flavors of Windows 7 or 8.1 already installed to run on all devices, in a Window 10 Virtual machine. So that people sys-admins and general users could maintain & fulfill their needs on Windows 10 operating system.
I use Defender sometimes it did not update and I would have to resort to the downloadable update .exe 64bit and 32bit versions, this worked for my Win 8.1 64bit PC but would not work for Win 7 32bit machine. Any extra help in this regard from MS in upgrading Defender is therefore appreciated.
PS to update defender this way make sure it open when running update exe
Now you're being silly. Anything which you can stuff in an .ova file can be run on any platform. Well, I'll grant the exception when it comes to Mac, although that speed-bump there is minor. I've been virtualizing that since the 1980's, on a hypercapable Amiga.
>Anything which you can stuff in an .ova file can be run on any platform
Not really. I'd assume your over-the-counter-purchased Win 10 can't host its old Win 7 license as guest, unless you have enterprise/site licensing or whatever.
You can't use a single-use license Windows to host itself. i.e. if I buy Windows 10 Pro/Home, I can't have a VM running that license again as guest, even as an older release, I have to buy another license. If that has changed, feel free to downvote me, it's a small price for learning something new.
And that's a big difference. Hence Linux VMs. Even Mac VMs can do that, they only restrict you on the hardware.
'I still need and use programs than don't not work well with Windows 10'
Which programs? I'm curious as to what still doesn't run in Windows 10. I've yet to find anything, though I confess most of the tools I use are written by Microsoft anyway.
"Which programs? I'm curious as to what still doesn't run in Windows 10. I've yet to find anything, though I confess most of the tools I use are written by Microsoft anyway."
How about Microsoft's own Visual Basic 6? Still widely used in enterprise. Though some third party has written vb6installer to mostly solve this.
Got it in one.
I recently got a Win10 laptop very cheap and virtually never used because the owners had bought it to replace a lower spec Win7 box. Because it was so woefully slow they quickly went back to the old win7 box and offered the win10 for sale. I got it to run a laser engraver out in the shed and it was so slow at everything that I soon got so p155ed off that I formatted it and installed Win7. It is a good little computer now, quick and usable
"We hear from our customers security is one of the biggest motivators for their move to Windows 10,"
You are partly right - up to the point of mentioning Windows 10, with all the slurping of our data we have no security, which is why acceptance of the software is low. Those that care about security refuse to use it.
Time to read the dictionary again and work out the difference between the words "mine" and "yours"
Corporate versions will slurp your data, unless you specifically opt out of it.
Where I used to work, it took 3 months of harrowing the folks in charge of creating the SCCM images to make even the most basic of changes to avoid the slurping, and even then, it was just telemetry and feedback.
The sharing of everything with all the apps, and Cortana's stalking, was still enabled, and I wasn't allowed access to create GPs to do the job properly.
"Corporate versions will slurp your data, unless you specifically opt out of it."
No, corporate Windows versions dont slurp at all. Its consumer versions you have to opt out of it on.
"and even then, it was just telemetry and feedback."
Corporate versions dont even have the capability to record or send such data. Other than optionally crash dumps, and windows has done that for many years.
"No, corporate Windows versions dont slurp at all. Its consumer versions you have to opt out of it on."
Windows 10 Enterprise slurps by default and requires a group policy to stop. "Profesional" (which I would counter is nothing of the sort) has no option to stop the slurp as it ignores the policy (there is even a warning about this in the group policy editor).
So just which "corporate" version are you referring to?
>Its consumer versions you have to opt out of it on
Yes, please do provide us with the Win 10 navigation options we can use to ask MS to entirely turn off all telemetry, using its own tools and configuration, on Home/Pro versions.
"Opt out" doesn't count as MS-offered if you have to install all sorts of hacks and workarounds from 3rd parties, including hacking your router because MS doesn't respect /etc/hosts when it comes to its telemetry.
In that case, "workaround" is the word you're looking for.
"We hear from our customers security is one of the biggest motivators for their move to Windows 10,"
In my experience, the two biggest motivators are the fact that Windows 7 goes EOL in less than 2 years (and companies have bad memories of the rush and cost when it came to eliminating XP usage before support ran out), plus the fact that MS has made sure that it's increasingly difficult to buy new systems that support Windows 7 (due to the Kaby Lake+ block).
As such, most customers I see are moving to Windows 10 because they're being forced to do so, not because they want to. And it's not surprising. Most companies want a reliable and stable platform for their systems, not one that gets regular and major "feature upgrades" that offer little-to-no benefit whilst making office PCs unusable for hours at a time (due to the upgrade), and also causing additional downtime (when a PC fails to upgrade properly).
Hence, many customers don't like Windows 10 compared to Windows 7, but feel as if they have little alternative right now.
Wufuc works great, also on windows 7. I really wonder what the acronym stands for.
The last batch of new computers are all equipped with a core i3-7100. We use wufuc to make windows update work. And a couple of edits to the .inf file of the intel graphics driver to make that work.
We also have a couple of hotfixes slipstreamed in to the Windows 7 N installation, otherwise we would not be able to install to NVMe drives.
Too bad microsoft raped the LTSB version, we would have moved to that.
Something a certain future General by the name of William Tecumsah Sherman managed to get his name tied to. That's aside from the California Revolution, both times.
NB: California history is a prerequisite if you want to teach in this state.
#1. Those devilish plans for a Facebook-like 'Slurpy-OS' . That's what you promised Wall Street - monetizing slurp at OS-level. But that new telemetry monitor, doesn't even let users delete data which won't cut it with GDPR!
#2. Your greatest mistake is with long-term MS developers. Forcing updates onto systems without permission and borking machines causing instability to apps. A generational hiring shift has caused more coders to go freelance with no LTSB. You've unleashed a hornets nest here. Dev work is difficult enough without having the OS operate like a moving Target!
#3. There's a watershed moment not reflected in Linux usage stats. MS devs like myself have had enough, and are converting old XP/Vista/Win7 boxes to Mint etc for family / friends / colleagues for free. I'd never have taken on that workload before. But now I actively encourage it. I know hundreds of devs in the same boat, converting and spreading the word. The paltry Linux take up figures don't reflect this. We enable dual-boot on the machines too, which also skews the numbers. What this really means is, new Win-10 pc's aren't being purchased, which isn't good news for you!
"Dev work is difficult enough without having the OS operate like a moving Target!"
exactly. when a project cycle is YEARS long, you can't jump on "new, shiny" you have to code for what's available NOW.
related, rumors suggest the possible abandonment of the 'Windows API' (formerly known as Win32 API), thereby forcing devs to use UWP and code for Win-10-nic only. They're probably just FUD, but I dunno, Micro-shaft has done similarly bold [read: boneheaded] moves...
Want to be privacy invasive, want to control what is on my hard disk drive, want to install software at any time for any reason, fine FUCK OFF. They can either keep fixing windows 7 or I am switching away from M$ done and finished, as simple as that and already my next desktop is extremely unlikely to be windows.
I will never install the shit licence version of windows 10, never.
Have you actually USED Linux or @ best tried it for an hour or less?
Actually that's a no-brainer Because you very plainly haven't have you. Just for laughs try Deepin & you may well find for yourself that its past time to engage the brain God gave you & stop shooting from the lip.
I use Libre Office rather than MS Office & while Libre is open source surprise surprise MS Office runs very well under Crossover as does just about every business application I've chucked @ it.
On the games front you have a better case but one that is rapidly flying out of Microslurps window, (Pun intentional) thanks to the process concerning which the OP wrote.
I'm not a gamer, I don't run any essential Windows-only apps, and I've been pretty satisfied with LibreOffice for three or four years. I ran PCLinuxOS for a year, eleven years ago, on a laptop that wouldn't run Windows XP stably. OpenOffice was a noticeable step down from MS Office back then, but otherwise I was as productive as I was on XP. (The downside was that I learned next to nothing about the nuts and bolts of Linux ... because I never had to.) Not long after Windows 10 was released, I began trialing various distros of Linux with various desktop environments in VirtualBox. (Linux Mint Cinnamon is the front-runner so far, but that could be in part because it's been the least hassle to get and keep running perfectly in VirtualBox.) Long story short, it's extremely likely that I'm switching to a bare-metal install of Linux by the time Windows 7 reaches end of life.
I think giving access to your PC to all these third party "antivirus" companies is a bad thing.
Limit exposure by not letting third party companies have low level access.
I'd prefer to keep it "in-house".
The whole "Meltdown" fiasco has shown that several of these companies have been digging into protected memory.
Some of these "security" companies have even partnered with big data "analytic" companies.
Avast for example purchased Jumpshot, which according to Avast's official website is: "a big data and advanced marketing analytics platform designed to provide insights into people’s online behavior" and at the same time purchased software to scan the users social media.
Makes you wonder.
Best advice to those usi g Windows 10... get a Macbook.
I already own perfectly serviceable PC hardware... lots of it. why would I go buy another PC just to get access to MacOS? If Apple would choose to offer it (perhaps renamed again to OSX) as a product for x86/AMD64 PCs, I'd certainly give it a good hard look, but I'm not about to buy more (and overpriced) PC hardware when I already have so much of it.
Imagine the market share that OSX/MacOS could have overnight if they did offer OSX for sale as a standalone product. With Microsoft dead set on committing suicide as far as their OS operation is concerned, and many people not finding Linux to their liking, this would be a game changer. Whether it would lead to Apple-type profits, though, is something else... and no doubt Apple has at least pondered the numbers.
Pre the return of Steve Jobs in the 1990s Apple tried this type of approach with a clone programme on non-apple hardware. This caused a very significant drop in turnover and profits and was canned by Jobs after he took over from Gil Amelio.
Doesn't fit their business model and OS X is free. If you want to run it on non-apple hardware google hackintosh and good luck with the drivers...
yeah it doesn't' exist. But it's what we want. No crappy bloated interface, no entertainment crap, no built in Skype, no Games, Just an OS that is manageable and can run business apps. But nooooo, they gotta shove weather and TV widgets on the desktop. Fing MS, give us a desktop equivalent of the Server OS.
Having been forced to get W10 on a new laptop a while ago (1.5 years) I still hate it, even with Classic shell, taskbar tweaker, ribbon disabler etc.
Windows 7 was OK, but I had an old W7 laptop which has always run like a dog whatever I did to fix it (i7 quad core 2.2GHz, 16GB RAM etc) so I recently put Linux Mint 18 on it to see how it would go. Boot went from about 5 mins down to 10 seconds, everything else runs like lightning and I still can't get over how fast it is.
Now my favourite schematic and PCB layout tool runs under Wine on Linux and I use Libreoffice, Chrome, Gimp & Thunderbird for almost everything else, so Microsoft has had all the money they will ever get from me.
The only thing which doesn't work on Linux for me is any web site which requires Adobe Flash DRM. That's only UK TV channel 4 for me and there are ways around that.
Don't think that running Linux makes you immune to group think. There's really no viable way to get around running Systemd today. Believe me, I tried. Without systemd my system booted up in half the time that systemd is taking now. Which in my case was 12 seconds cold start. The actual OS was booting in 3 seconds. This is on a mechanical HDD too. Fortunately once I have a system all configured and installed I don't boot up much. I've still had to deal with systemd a little bit recently. It sucked nutz too. I also don't usually deal with init either, or the fallout from init for that matter. Still systemd seems to be a resource hog compared to what classic init was. I wish I wasn't using systemd. But the distro maintainers all seem to think it is important so we're stuck with it now.
plenty of distros without or that you can disable systemd
Thats the thing with Linux, if you want something, somone has probably done it already.
If you've hooked your wagon up to Microsoft's train then you really should march to their beat. Single point corporate control is one of the big reasons I don't use Windows myself. But if I did I'd toe the line. Just like I have to do in the platform I use now. I go along to get along. Breaking away from the herd has its downsides.
I'm pretty sure you can only get ATP if you have a Windows Enterprise E5 license. Which is a shame as that's not available to places with under a certain number of licences, or it's extremely expensive compared to E3.
ATP looks rather good, I have no idea why it's not being made more accessible to smaller businesses.
We hear from our customers security is one of the biggest motivators for their move to Windows 10
"We hear from our customers that, as we are narrowing the non-Windows 10 machines for which we will provide security updates, they are begrudgingly moving to Windows 10."
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