back to article UK Foreign Sec Bojo to tell Kremlin: Stop your cyber shenanigans... or else!

Foreign secretary Boris Johnson will warn Russia that the UK will retaliate against cyber attacks in a rare visit to Moscow today. Johnson will tell his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov that "the UK will continue to defend its interests where they, and those of its allies, are threatened amid concerns that hostilities between …

  1. Semtex451 Silver badge

    Talk about throwing fat on the fire

    Can we send him to North Korea after this?

    And leave him there?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Talk about throwing fat on the fire

      I don't think we would have to leave him there but if there are any problems we can get David Davis to negotiate his release.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
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        Re: Talk about throwing fat on the fire

        Maybe in a tag-team with Liam Fox? Or even better with the 18th Century Throwback and Gove as part of the Brexiteers? We could all breathe so much easier if they were helping Kim Jong Eun with his transformation of North Korea into a UK-style state of mass surveillance.

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Coat

      Re: Talk about throwing fat on the fire

      Nonsense.

      He's just "Big boned."

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    That's right send over the hardest and scariest MP you can think of and tell them to stop being naughty.

    I have my doubts this strategy is going to work.

    I do wonder sometimes how hard the Russians laugh at us.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I'm not sure if they are laughing

      but I'm pretty sure they are playing rather advanced thinking/chess - whilst BoJo, as much as I respect him . . .and all his colleagues. . .sigh

    2. dvvdvv
    3. handleoclast Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: I do wonder sometimes how hard the Russians laugh at us.

      You've just figured out our entire strategy.

      We send BoJo over there in the hopes that the Russians laugh so hard they die from apoplexy. Or at least shit themselves laughing.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Unuseful Idiot.

        [The post is required, and must contain letters.]

        1. handleoclast Silver badge

          Re: The post is required, and must contain letters. Really?

    4. ITnoob

      Till the borscht comes out of their noses.

    5. DasWezel
      FAIL

      If our strategy was to send over the hardest and scariest MP in our arsenal, why did we send a talking mop that's missing it's bucket? ;-)

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    After that he should go to the US and say the same thing to the NSA.

  4. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    For an AI Working Strategy, when One Doubts Things are Working and Going Brilliantly to Master Plan

    I do wonder sometimes how hard the Russians laugh at us. .... Anonymous Coward

    All the way to the bank, AC, is far enough for them to be able to take over and make over lead.

    Boris is great entertainment, isn't he? A veritable latter day court jester and right crazy royal puppet on a string if one believes in all his flip flopping

    Is Boris in danger of being recognised as a spider/trojan horse?

    Boris the Spider

    1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

      Re: For an AI Working Strategy....

      First of all, amazingly coherent post for a man from Mars

      All the way to the bank, AC, is far enough for them to be able to take over and make over lead.

      Second, you are 100% correct. I listened for 15 minutes to one of their talk shows on Boxing day before finally locating the remote at my mom's place to shut the GoggleBox. It was not RT, it was one of their proper channels and in Russian.

      One of their commentators put it very bluntly - there is f*** all USA, UK or anyone else can do at this point short of an action which will be equivalent to a declaration of war. We are out of peaceful means to deal with their "interference". So are they by the way - they have tightened the bolts on us being able to pay for "independent" politicians staging "grassroot" "anticorruption" campaigns as far as they are willing to and there is very little they can do beyond that.

      Next stage is we either figure out a way to de-escalate and have a proper adult conversation or we start the Tomahawk for Kalibr exchange.

  5. Teiwaz Silver badge

    Brass neck....

    Russia denies all accusations but its reputation when it comes to cybersecurity matters, such as banning VPNs or its use of cybercriminals in its spy operations doesn't do it any favours.

    Weren't there blanket suspicions over VPNs voiced in Westminster of late? Then there's the constant background hum of mumbling about weakening encryption..?

    While I respect GCHQs noble heritage, they are a hard nut and a pebble in the shoe to many foreign adversaries, in the soft trifle of British government IT they seem to be a mere plum stone, to be spat out and left on the side of the plate.

    Use Cybercriminals....?

    I think the UK can do one better, with the recent ECJ ruling on Snoopers Charter, the entire government colluded in an illegal piece of legislation.....!!!

    Nevermind that, as things stand, all 'Black Hats' run the risk of being criminilised...

    And Why Boris?

    You know full well, the Secret Service will have to watch him 24/7, he'd go native in the drop of a hat, seduced with the furry hat and overcoats....

    1. h4rm0ny

      Re: Brass neck....

      Boris has only one goal - the advancement of Boris. If (as I think most likely) it was Boris who pushed for himself to go to Russia it's either because he thinks there's some meaningful achievement he can take credit for or else he thinks it's a good photo-op. It also keeps him away from the debacle that is Brexit negotiations and stops too much of that contamination getting on him (he thinks, anyway).

  6. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Coat

    "as the fruits of prior Anglo-Russian labours,"

    Ensuring somewhere comfortable to live for Russian oligarchs?

    London has certainly done much to help the homelessness of people with 10 digit size bank accounts*

    Anyway I'm sure a blowzy haired buffoon Great Statesman such as Bozzer can bring some pesky furriner to his senses, even if he is fronting for a former KGB hood**

    *allegedly.

    **That's the Russian Foreign Minister to eliminate any ambiguity.

    1. Teiwaz Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: 'fruits of prior Anglo-Russian labours," - wouldn't touch that fruit....

      'the Russian Foreign Minister to eliminate any ambiguity'

      forbidding ambiguity now?

      Those Russians are ruthless...

  7. Marketing Hack Silver badge
    Devil

    Inevitable Team America: World Police video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2xKnx39VAE

    Sadly the shark does not have laser-bearing headgear. North Korea is still a poor country after all.

  8. Nick Kew Silver badge

    The Law of Outrage (gov.uk)

    The more public outrage the UK government ("we") expresses at its geopolitical adversaries[1], the more you know "we" are doing whatever it is that outrages us. "We" are more outraged when "they" catch up with us than when "they" do something that's not in "our" repertoire.

    [1] Including friends in the EU, as well as those like Russia to whom we're hostile at an official level.

    1. Teiwaz Silver badge

      Re: The Law of Outrage (gov.uk)

      They are only Outraged because they thought of it first, but hadn't gotten around to banning it*....

      * The 'bad' regimes do it because they are restricting freedom, (and, well, bad). When the 'good guys' do it, they are ensuring the safety of the general public / figting terrorism / thinking of children....

    2. NonSSL-Login

      Re: The Law of Outrage (gov.uk)

      Do as we say, not as we do.

  9. Lars Silver badge
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    Nobody abroad will ever take him seriously, why some Brits do it, is a bit beyond me, a sort of a nice clown perhaps, but why in such a position in the government. What a piece of cake for a fox like Lavrov.

    1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Unhappy

      "Nobody abroad will ever take him seriously, why some Brits do it, is a bit beyond me,"

      Simple.

      He's

      a)A committed (well as committed as a journalist turned politician can be) Brexiteer and

      b)A potential candidate for the next Conservative leader.

      Outside the Cabinet he's not muzzled in any way from blatantly campaigning for the Leaders job (although he'd still need to call a General Election to be actually elected by the British people. And we all know how well that worked out for May) and generally b**ching about the whole process.

      This way it's a case "Alright smart*** you've talked big about how much you want the UK to leave, you can start contributing to making it happen."

      This usually is an effective management tactic for Ahole managers except where they have delusionally over inflated options of themselves.

      1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Unhappy

        "except where they have delusionally over inflated options* of themselves."

        That should have read

        "except where they have delusionally over inflated opinions of themselves."

        *Unless of course there is a futures market in peoples views of public figures that I don't know about. In which case I'd short Davis and go each way on Bozzer and Moggie.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "Nobody abroad will ever take him seriously, why some Brits do it, is a bit beyond me,"

        He's.... A committed (well as committed as a journalist turned politician can be) Brexiteer

        Sorry?

        Even allowing for your caveat I thought that it was a well documented fact that he was as slavishly Europhile as the rest of the Thieves of Westminster? Admittedly there was that embarrassing episode where he pretended to be in favour of Brexit to advance his career, but let's face it, if you wanted a character to put people off voting for ANYTHING you'd have Bozza the Clown front the campaign for it.

        1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
          Coat

          "if you wanted a character to put people off voting for ANYTHING...Bozza the Clown"

          Wot, don't you feel deep affection for his good natured hearty bluffness and general joie de vivre*?*

          As for his Europhile credentials I'd suggest you check the stories he filed when he was the Telegraphs corespondent in Brussels, and how many of them were actually true.

          In any case as Bozza learned in prep school one is either de-bagging the first years and shoving them down the toilet or one is being de-bagged etc.

          So when the Conservative back benches form their lynch mob to hunt down those responsible for "Crimes Against Brexit" you can bet his reaction will be more "J'accuse*" than "Mea culpa*" :-(

          *Apologies for offending any Leave voters by "talking foreign."

  10. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Devil

    Madness. Madness everywhere

    Did you know that Jill Stein is now being given the Stalinist show trial treatment for "collusion with Russia" (i.e. for stealing the votes that rightfully belonged to Hillary?)

    I'm really having a jolly good time.

    From the Democratskaya PravdaNew York Times:

    Jesse Ferguson, a former Clinton campaign spokesman, said Americans ought to know if a presidential nominee, no matter how minor, had become a Russian asset or was simply boosted in an effort to chip away Democratic votes from Mrs. Clinton.

    “Russian operatives were not promoting Jill Stein because they thought she would win,” Mr. Ferguson said. “They were promoting her because they thought it would hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump.”

    Maybe we can bring back public hanging/burning/whatever? What a time to be alive.

    1. ST Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Madness. Madness everywhere

      > They were promoting her because they thought it would hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump

      This assertion is arithmetically correct.

      In MI, PA and WI, Trump's margin of victory - counted in votes - is smaller than the number of votes Jill Stein received in each state. That is, without Jill Stein on the ballot, these votes would have probably gone to Hillary Clinton, and she probably would have won these states, and the Presidency.

      Reference: 2016 Presidential Election Results Reference.

      Donald Trump won 304 Electoral College votes. Hillary Clinton won 227 Electoral College votes. WI has 10 Electoral College votes, MI has 16 Electoral College votes and PA has 20 Electoral College votes. Do the simple math.

      This isn't meant to excuse or justify Hillary Clinton's inept presidential campaign, its lack of ideas and her heavy-handed engineering of the DNC's bias towards her own candidacy.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Madness. Madness everywhere

        That is, of course, assuming that those voting for Stein would also vote for Hillary. I think that those voting for the Green party would not vote for anyone else.

        1. ST Silver badge
          FAIL

          Re: Madness. Madness everywhere

          > I think that those voting for the Green party would not vote for anyone else.

          You don't know that they would, and you don't know that they wouldn't either.

          Executive summary: you have no clue what you're talking about.

    2. Aodhhan Bronze badge

      Re: Madness. Madness everywhere

      Yes, let's all believe anything published in the New York Times.

      I would rather buy a tabloid paper with the latest news on UFOs, as it has more credibility.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Madness. Madness everywhere

      As far as Stein and the Greens that has a much more Russian smell all over it.

      The Russians have been extremely skillful in using Greens as a revenue assurance tool across Europe. Anti-fraking protests at the level which we saw over the last decade especially in Eastern Europe require LOTS of money - both direct and in the form of professional organization, lobbying and project management.

      In some cases the money was traced. All legal. All above board. All in white, red and blue.

      All in the interests of RosNeft and GasProm.

      1. h4rm0ny

        Re: Madness. Madness everywhere

        I am (genuinely) interested in any citations you have for European anti-Frakking protests being subsidised by Russia or Russian business.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Madness. Madness everywhere

          I am (genuinely) interested in any citations

          Dig Bulgarian press (most of it is online and indexed by Google). Bulgarian knowledge will be required. Some of the sponsorship money there was traced back as the local laws did not prohibit it and it was perfectly above board.

  11. Walter Bishop Silver badge
    Big Brother

    UK Foreign Sec Bojo to tell Kremlin: Stop your cyber shenanigans...

    Cause that's our prerogative ..

  12. Elmer Phud Silver badge

    I bet . . .

    . . . The Russians already knew what he was going to say, having read his 'highly confidential 'notes before he did.

  13. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Help!... It's the Hair Bear Bunch!

    Boris, Trump, KJU

    The loose cannons of modern diplomacy

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Help!... It's the Hair Bear Bunch! .... [If only, a much safer set of hands by any measure]]

      Correction:

      ========

      Boris, Trump, KJU

      The loose cannons of modern duplicity !!! :)

      There, fixed that for you .... No Charge. :)

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Unhappy

      "The loose cannons of modern diplomacy"

      Indeed.

      If you were commanding an alien fleet in Earth orbit would feel any inclination to show mercy towards our species?

      Or would you just begin the wholesale extermination?

  14. SVV Silver badge

    Project Embarassment still going then....

    Johnson turns up at the Kremlin and tells themj that he's bally miffed at all the lies and disinformation they were spreading during the brexit referendum campaign, as that was his job and we didn't want any bloody foreigners doing jobs a British person could do anymore.

    And if they don't jolly well stop it, there'll be no more Premier League clubs for them, and he'll turn up in Moscow during their next presidential election and drive round in a bus saying "Vote Putin and get a gazillion roubles extra for the Russian Health Service every day and all the free vodka you can drink". That'll show them!

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I have a theory

    we sent it, because maskirovka, ha!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I have a theory

      I'm not sure if Boris the Great can be referred to as an "it", cause only two legs (and a head between them). But maskirovka... sure, I get it: we sent him to Moscow so that the Russians would think we sent him as a decoy, when the real masters of UK are of a much, much more sophisticated disposition. But then, in the best trandition of Russian maskirovka / baba what (see above) we actually sent to Moscow, is a REAL deal, a genuine sample from the very core of UK's bestest ruling minds - thus totally confusing the Russians and beating them at their own game.

  16. jms222

    Or what ? We’ll stop taking your gas we have become so dependent upon ?

    Stop blaming ruskies and NK for NHS incompetence.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      The UK doesn't give a damn about Russian gas. We get ours from Scotland and Norway.

      And we could be self-sufficient if we decided to drill for it on land ("fracking"), which would then allow Poland to get it from Norway instead.

      One wonders where the anti-frackers get their funding.

      1. h4rm0ny

        Wrong!

        >>The UK doesn't give a damn about Russian gas. We get ours from Scotland and Norway.

        We bought gas from Russia only last week. Because I suspect you'll quibble, I'll cite specifics. Novatek (a Russian gas producer) sold 170,000m^3 of LNG to Petronas LNG UK for distribution throughout the UK. It's a joint Russian-France-Chinese venture. Novatek is the majority share-holder.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Our Kung-Fu is powerful.

    I'm bound to say that I was irritated by your characterisation of our own Security Services as possessing somewhat toytown capabilities in terms of Cyber.

    El Reg, of all people, should be well aware that the atlas of Cyber capability is very different to that of other forms of warfare. The Russians by no means have a monopoly on the means to cyber attack if necessary, and Boris Johnson has actually bee quite clever to remind them of that fact publicly.

    And reading the predictable Boris Johnson attacks in the comments, I would point out that at least we have Foreign Secretary who is prepared to challenge the Russians on this subject, unlike in the US where the President seems more interested in openly criticising his own intelligence services for thier information on Russian cyber attacks before going to play another round of golf at Mar-a-Largo...

    1. Teiwaz Silver badge

      Re: Our Kung-Fu is powerful.

      our own Security Services as possessing somewhat toytown capabilities in terms of Cyber.

      Prolly not, no.

      But unfortunately, largely directed by the 'town council of Trumpton*' located at Westminster.....now gone sadly quite mad in fear of it's own population...

      Kind of a handicap...

      * An old childrens TV reference, for those the other side of el atlantico, and not any reference to persons with a similar surname...

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cyber SAS Versus KremVax (or its replacement)

    This should be interesting.

  19. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Oh that things were not just more of the same and normal/abnormal

    I'm bound to say that I was irritated by your characterisation of our own Security Services as possessing somewhat toytown capabilities in terms of Cyber. .... Anonymous Coward

    Methinks any Operating System with an effective Cyber Intelligent Security Service would never allow, let alone tolerate and be supportive of a public facing political establishment with nothing but belt-tightening austerity to offer as a media programming of the masses ...... ergo currently, for in the future there may be change with the introduction of greater intelligence and revolutionary information, is the charge that possess no more than somewhat toytown capabilities in terms of Cyber, perfectly valid and proven.

    If they have what you think they have, then let them demonstrate and play with the ability and facility to prove its worth. Anything less is an abdication of their duty, is it not, and identifies their cyber services as a fraud being perpetrated against the public purse?

    Some might recognise that as business as usual.

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Oh that things were not just more of the same and normal/abnormal

      :-)

      And then the real danger and very great probability is, that whenever they ..... any supposedly proactive and protective national/international security agency is so negligent and dismissive and disorganised in the field, are they doomed to be ever chasing and extraordinarily rendered ineffectively reactive after the event in a cyber based landscape, to be be led by ...... well, their best wish would be by smarter virtual beings sympathetic and empathetic to their plight for there is equally likely to be the prospect of their systems and elite executive office administrations charging after phantom renegade rogues with more than just the delivery of dismay and destruction on their minds and well within their global capabilities.

      And all for the want of engagement with that which they might well know of, for they may have been directly contacted and/or through the likes of these sorts of worded communications hereby informed, but which they might dismiss as being just too fantastic for reality, either present or future.

      Such then can only be honestly considered as fools wedded to the past in a present where the future and misunderestimated A.N.Others take over and make over Global Command Head Quarter Control remotely and sublimely/stealthily and virtually anonymously, for such be the normal tools of production for presentation and propagation of Augmented Virtual Realities in Live Operational Virtual Environments and simple par for its courses.

      How prepared to lead in the future do you think your own security intelligence services are in the light of such shared Great Games Plays of today? Is their silence and /or non apparent presence in the exercise field a cause for grave concern and a result of arrogant ignorance and lack of intelligence in-house.

      Do they rely on trying to phish from surveilled environments for that which they are missing and fearful of? What a ripe recipe for guaranteed disaster that be.

      Do Great Russian Bears suffer fools with blunted tools drivering mass developments ..... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-26/russias-military-leaner-meaner

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Oh, and by the way, all sorts of cyber shenanigans are not going away ...

        ..... to anywhere that cannot be reached anytime soon

        Remember to never forget there are always both consequences and opportunities to be explored and exploited in the most common of novel tasks ..... Simple Words Create, Command and Control and Destroy Complex Worlds, both Real and Virtual. Share them wisely, ...... for do you not follow and hang out with them and fight for the right to hear them and write more about them?

        And nothing new to say delivers politically incorrect paralysis and just more of the same old same old, and that is a nonsense? ..... Slugger O'Toole/MI5 Useful Fool?

        IT's a crazy world indeed whenever you are not needed to know what is prepared and already in ideally secure storage for future delivery to you ...... and/for is that not the current state of Great Game Play and your present fate?

  20. Tom Paine Silver badge
    Coat

    "Retaliate against cyber attacks"?

    Pew! Pew! Pew!

    1. Voyna i Mor Silver badge

      Re: "Retaliate against cyber attacks"?

      More like "eheu!, eheu! eheu! nec vir fortis nec foemina casta"

  21. Paratrooping Parrot
    Mushroom

    Or else...

    I will muck up trying to release a British citizen who has been arrested on trumped up charges and make his/her sentence even worse.

  22. Aodhhan Bronze badge

    What's happened to the UK?

    Time to get rid of this prime minister and the rest of her party toadies. It's time to find people who understand good ole British strength. Tired of seeing England in such a yellow light. You wouldn't catch Churchill or Thatcher acting in this manner. They weren't scared to stand up to a bully in order to protect British interests.

    You can't just waggle your finger at Putin and expect he'll do anything but laugh, kick your (now tiny) balls, and walk right over you.

    Don't waggle and warn, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: What's happened to the UK? Are Colonel Blimp and Major Bluff in Charge of MOD Controls?

      Don't waggle and warn, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. .... Aodhhan

      And what does it show the world and their dogs of war, Aodhhan, whenever they don't and won't and can't do something/anything effective about it?

      Getting the Right Stuff Staff nowadays is never going to be easy these days with so many other exotic and erotic global openings to explore and exploit/map and navigate for ....... well, surely mutually beneficial satisfaction and fabulous enrichment are surely still gold standard prime movers and Immaculate IMPerfect Drivers even in times and spaces where sub-prime ether plays havoc for CHAOS in rigged markets.

      What Systems Operating Advanced Hosting Clouds do you follow and support?

    2. Lars Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: What's happened to the UK?

      Try to stop blaming the rest of the world, for once try to take a look at yourself, your class society so well expressed in education and in your two party system. As one British author long ago wrote - the English have been so interested in studying other people that they have forgot to study themselves.

      I have a feeling that the EU will try to save you, reluctantly, from your self, as you are run by a bunch of idiots right now.

      Sometimes I think Charles de Gaulle knew you too well, but that would be about the generation of Brits that should not be around anymore.

      1. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge

        Re: What's happened to the UK?

        de Gaulle had his own opinions about the british.

        Mostly that the germans could be forgiven for waltzing into France and giving it a good kicking, but never forgive the British and Americans for saving it.

        hence oddities like Paris keeps Berlin time.... whereas pre-1940 it kept London time...

        As for our class system, thats very much a product of the attitude "If it aint from Oxbridge, dont employ it" among top employers and "Only managed a PPE? well politics for you then (and a fat non-exec directorship when you get caught/booted out after securing us a multi-billion public services contract)"

        You want to get rid of our class system?.... shutdown the 'public' schools and make education based on children's ability(whether its in sports, technical subjects or theorectical physics)

        1. Lars Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: What's happened to the UK?

          @Boris the Cockroach

          "hence oddities like Paris keeps Berlin time".

          Perhaps, in order not to show you lack of knowledge, you should look at how GMT works in Europe and why, like here:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time

          My advice for Britain would be to join Central European Time, business would gain from it and the cows would hardly oppose it either.

          As for the rest of your comment, hogwash that too, however, happy new year to everybody, regardless if at times we wake up on the wrong foot at times.

          Life is so unfair at times too, look the French went for the metric system too.

          And think about all those American states with neighbours who decide to take a different time zone must be annoying and all because of the cows.

    3. DasWezel

      Re: What's happened to the UK?

      "It's time to find people who understand good ole British strength!"

      It's time to find people who understand getting their own house in order first.

  23. RayH

    Kremlin to ask Bojo: ...or else what?

    Seriously though, how does Bojo deal with someone who's a bigger liar than he is? I mean, seriously, what have they done? They've lied to his face. It's not as if they painted their lie on the side of a bus and driven around the county in it for a few months.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Kremlin to ask Bojo: ...or else what?

      This time they do not even bother asking.

      At least, when it was Milliband, Lavrov actually lost his nerve and told him to ho SFU with expletives That is something I have seen him do only once prior to that and several decades before he has become a foreign minister. With BoJo he is not even bothered to go that far.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    :)

    "[Communist theory postulates] that the maximum welfare of the individual lies in, and in the long run is indistinguishable from, the realization of the maximum welfare of the society." Thus communism argues for the abolishment of all private property, and everything that is owned is owned by all members of society.

    This theory, that all property is owned collectively, stipulates that everything a person creates and owns is also collectively shared with everyone else. The core principle behind the concept of public ownership is that every person is a product of society. Because each human is a product of society, anything he or she produces is also a product of society by translation. Therefore, anything that is produced should be owned by the society itself because no one person has solely produced it.

    Every idea that is created is a product of society and will better serve society if it is shared and improved on. These ideas can be computer algorithms and software, and communists believe in the open sharing of this software.

    The sharing of software and ideas benefits society because "human knowledge and the produce of human labour is used to the advantage of all society." In this thought framework, no programmer is compensated personally for their work: the entire society benefits by making source code available because everyone will collectively work on the software as well as collectively reap the benefits.

    Communist theory about software is similar to traditional open source arguments: that source code sharing can provide greater access by multiple people, and therefore the greatest minds can all work on it at once, thus producing higher quality software.

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: :)

      :-) Hmmmm? Quite AIHeavenly State, AC. Is its converse, mercantile capitalism, quite hellish for all but a chosen few?

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Boris

    Meet Natasha

    1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Boris...Meet Natasha

      I don't know about any Natasha, but he already has a "Fearless Leader."

  26. Zippy's Sausage Factory
    Trollface

    I'd enjoy it if Lavrov decided to reply like this:

    BOJO: "Er, stop all your cyber shenanigans, right now."

    LAVROV: "Da, agent Johnson" *wink*

    That would be a masterful bit of trolling...

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