back to article Consistency is key to Oracle and Microsoft's hybrid cloud clout

Run the Azure Stack on-premises and you can move data and apps to the Azure public cloud with ease. It's the same software environment. Run the Oracle Cloud at Customer on-premises and move apps and data to the Oracle public cloud with ease. It's the same software and billing environment. The perfect hybrid cloud has to have …

  1. jake Silver badge

    Consistancy is a mark of something, that's for sure.

    Skunks, for example, consistently stink.

  2. pwibble

    "It could start providing DB2 as a service from its own BlueMix cloud data centres"....

    ....you mean like the existing DB2 on Cloud service?

    "it would have to transition its on-premises users to the same cloud environment as its BlueMix users, meaning a BlueMix on-premises system.... We can't see that happening, but never say never."....

    ...you mean like the existing Bluemix Local product?

    True - these products have potential drawbacks, but the text reads as though you are not aware that they exist.

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    1. Shameless Oracle Flack

      Re: That only works if you assume the customer uses proprietary Microsoft or Oracle software

      Companies will have a mix of containerized and traditional platform software so they need both. And even with containerized environments, you don't want to have to implement your own public and private cloud, you just want to run containers. With Oracle cloud2customer and azure stack, you don't have to do that. Actually with AZURE stack, you don't have a completely integrated cloud supported by one vendor, you have two vendors one handling software and the other handling hardware. Oracle's C@C is much more integrated and complete.

  4. ST Silver badge
    Stop

    Oracle Cloud in the same league with Azure?

    Seriously?

    Let's see.

    According to Mobiliya, in 2017, Microsoft Azure has 24% IaaS market share, while Oracle has 5% IaaS market share. Slide 44 of the Preso. Combined, Amazon AWS, Microsoft Azure and IBM Bluemix hold 69% market share.

    Oracle's 5% market share doesn't strike me as best positioned enterprise hybrid cloud player in terms of bla bla bla bla bla.

    According to Synergy - quoted here Oracle Cloud is bundled in the "other 10" category - a.k.a. "also ran". Well below AWS, Azure, IBM and Google. To be exact, Oracle Cloud is bundled in the same category with Alibaba, Fujitsu, Rackspace, etc. Combined together, the also-rans hold less than 20% market share.

    In terms of revenue growth, AWS, Azure and Google all saw market share gains in 2017, while the "Other 10" also-rans category lost revenue and market share.

    Just the facts.

    1. Shameless Oracle Flack

      Re: Oracle Cloud in the same league with Azure?

      You're seriously wrong. Oracle's cloud includes SaaS/PaaS/IaaS, including SaaS applications for Cloud@Customer, and is on track to be $10 billion in sales within 6 quarters. Oracle's cloud is growing MUCH faster than Amazon's (72% versus 40%) and Oracle IaaS is the newest and most innovate IaaS on the market, and the only enterprise-capable IaaS for the foreseeable future.

      1. Robert Grant

        Re: Oracle Cloud in the same league with Azure?

        You're seriously wrong. Oracle's cloud includes SaaS/PaaS/IaaS, including SaaS applications for Cloud@Customer, and is on track to be $10 billion in sales within 6 quarters. Oracle's cloud is growing MUCH faster than Amazon's (72% versus 40%) and Oracle IaaS is the newest and most innovate IaaS on the market, and the only enterprise-capable IaaS for the foreseeable future.

        This is nonsense. Growth percentages without accompanying absolute figures are for salespeople and mugs. AWS dwarfs Oracle's cloud and it's still growing at 40% vs 72%? That is massive.

        Oracle will upsell its cloud to its poor, beleaguered customers for a while, but AWS and Azure are far bigger and play across far more spaces. Azure in particular for hybrid is obviously the leader, for the reasons outlined in the article.

      2. ST Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: Oracle Cloud in the same league with Azure?

        > Oracle's cloud is growing MUCH faster than Amazon

        Sez the Oracle Flack.

        Cut the bullshit. Not a single available statistic shows Oracle Cloud as anything but an insignificant outlier.

  5. Shameless Oracle Flack

    great article, this is the future of hybrid cloud...

    ... and integrated public and private clouds will likely replace open stack efforts as they allow customers to focus on higher levels of the cloud stack, including paas and saas:

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/automation-versus-customization-oracle-cloud-machine-o-keefe-ph-d-/

  6. EricM
    Coffee/keyboard

    Oracle AND Azure, maybe

    but don't try to seriously run Oracle stuff ON Azure, cause his will mean licensing hell and eliminate all flexibility and a lot of features from Oracle AND Azure.

    All that while raising costs, since Oracle effectively doubled its prices for Azure and AWS cloud licenses in January to push its own cloud offering.

    So forget about having a mixed cloud env that also supports Oracle well.

    TL;DR: Need cloud -> avoid Oracle stuff. Need Oracle stuff -> Avoid public clouds

  7. captain_solo

    There's a reason the article uses the descriptor "Enterprise"

    Sure if you are a small company who can easily and cheaply pivot to containers and various layers of services in an Amazon or Azure public cloud you probably won't be running to Oracle or Microsoft software necessarily or trying to set up a super integrated hybrid cloud strategy.

    If you are a large enterprise company who is looking at a 10 year slog to get your thousands of custom applications deployed across your enterprise with interconnected and complicated integration from the top ot the bottom of your stack that you spent millions or perhaps billions of dollars having Accenture, PWC, or whoever designing and building for you out of a decades long variety of best of breed (at the time) solutions, then being able to lift and shift that to a hybrid or public cloud without huge re-design, or by being able to aquire an engineered and standardized Microsoft or Oracle stack that you can consume with cloud-like methodologies/APIs as well as funding by pay as you go, but still keep the gear and the network inside your own probably more capable and complicated network design that can't yet be matched by most of the public cloud guys, especially if you are rightly concerned about Multi-tenancy, then this is an area where there is potential growth for these vendors.

    If nothing else it gives them time to work over their software portfolios and make them "cloud native" "serverless" "dockerized" "microservices" and whatever other unicorn magic is the buzzword of the next disruptive fad. These companies have the resources and have shown at least enough willingness to pivot that they will likely survive the Cloud transition, as well as the horizontal re-scaling of compute to the edge that undoubtedly will follow...

  8. funkyIBM

    Research matters

    Chris, nice article and definitely a hot topic. But your comments on IBM seem to lack knowledge about what we really offer in respect to Hybrid clouds. A few examples:

    1. IBM's on-premise presence goes way beyond the mainframe. Our distributed SW business is much larger. For example on Db2: the Db2 family on the distributed side with Db2, Db2 Warehouse, the new Integrated Analytics System (running Db2 Warehouse) represent tens of thousands of clients world-wide.

    2. DB2 became Db2 in June this year. It now stands for a family of integrated data management offerings and capabilities that clients use to build their data architectures. It covers ground and cloud, i.e. former dashDB cloud services are included as well (Db2 on Cloud, Db2 Warehouse on Cloud). They share the same technology stack for consistent working behavior, can be talked to with a single shared client driver, and a common console for a unified management and monitoring approach. If that's not hybrid enough - what is??

    3. You can procure the Db2 cloud services via Bluemix already. And you can download Db2 digitally onto your laptop or DC server already. Later this quarter you will be able to purchase Db2 digitally as well.

    4. The Db2 on Cloud service has arguably the best provisioning, scalability and price/performance in the market relative to Aurora and Azure SQL. Have you tried it yet?

    5. As someone else already posted, Bluemix Local has been IBM's answer to the question how you consume IBMs (and 3rd parties) SW behind the firewall while enjoying cloud benefits. We are lauding the next generation of that later this quarter.

    6. We just launched a paradigm-changing Integrated Analytics System which combines the next-generation data warehouse technology with an optimized POWER-based infrastructure but also tightly integrates Spark and our Data Science Experience product to deliver a unique and superb self-service experience for Data Scientists and Analysts to crunch tons of data in less time with less dependencies on IT to get their job done. Sounds fabulous? Yes - because it is!

    7. You didn't mention Open Source databases. Unlike MSFT and Oracle, we already offer several open source repositories in our IBM cloud via Compose. And we are going to offer those also on our private cloud platform stack. It gives you more flexibility to build, and with our data virtualization features built into our Db2 family offerings, one can tap into all these repositories and bring them together. Including 3rd parties like MSFT and Oracle. Isn't that a lot of value and flexibility?

    So, would you still say that "its hybrid cloud offering is less advanced than Oracle's.".?

  9. returnofthemus

    Mr. Mellor definately needs to get out more

    IBM #1 in Hybrid Cloud

    Period!

    Integration at every layer of the stack.

  10. JohnMartin

    Minor Correction re NetApp

    "its product lacks servers, networking and system-level applications. Servers and networking are provided through the FlexPod partnership with Cisco"

    NetApp HCI gives Netapp a server capability outside of the Cisco relationship ..

    In the end though its more about the software and platform layers such as NetApp providing the NFS capability within Azure.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It is a multi-cloud world

    It is not going to be oracle or AWS or Azure or IBM or Googel, it is going to be AND. We move to a world where businesses use more than 1 cloud. And still have their own private cloud and their legacy. Unless you are fully bought into Oracle Azure or Amazon, having a propriatarry hybrid cloud reduces your flexibility. A true hybrid cloud is if you can move your workloads where ever and whenever you want. Not just to 1 cloud provider. So, yes I see a future for workloads in a Oracle or microsoft specific environment, but as always it depends on your workloads, your strategy, yout situation. Just make sure you stay flexible and can change when you want without disrupting your business. Today is al about speed. Getting locked down may not always be the best option.

    Aernoud

    1. returnofthemus

      Re: It is a multi-cloud world

      Spot on!

      However, for everything else there's IBM and no-one does it better

  12. Sanblazer

    Oracle is the only 'major' vendor providing Unique Govt Public cloud in UK . Most of the so called wins made by AWS is basically providing hosting for Oracle Enterprise Software's. AWS will not be ever capable of producing software's that can beat oracle .. Now Oracle's IAAS solution is seriously world class so customers would be more than happy to move their enterprise software's to Oracle's where they can be guaranteed that it would work really well.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Oucn.

      The Apostrophe Fairy would like to point out that, contrary to popular belief, the use of punctuation marks in written English should never be considered decorative.

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