back to article San Franciscans unite to smite alt-right with minefield of doggy shite

A shit storm awaits a bunch of far-right protestors when they convene in San Francisco this weekend – locals are storing up their doggy do-do and plan to distribute it in the area the protestors are holding the rally. People of the Rainbow City will heavily pepper Crissy Field and the white beach next to the Golden Gate bridge …

  1. Pen-y-gors Silver badge

    Hmmmm....

    Who IS going to clean it up? An 'amusing' plan to deal with nazis, but it really will need to be cleaned up afterwards. Do children play there? Won't someone think etc...

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      1. SundogUK

        Re: Hmmmm....

        Bet most don't though.

      2. codejunky Silver badge

        Re: Hmmmm....

        @ Symon

        "We can get together on Sunday and clean up the mess "

        Chances are these people will have that wonderful socialist mindset- 'Its a great idea but others can do the work'.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hmmmm....

        "We can get together on Sunday and clean up the mess "

        That is very unlikely to happen which leaves the city to do the cleaning and I hope they add the cost to the city taxes.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hmmmm....

        Have you ever been to SF? This is a place where people wear trash bags for pants and defecate in entryways outside of buildings. Doubt this mess will be cleaned up any time soon.

        Would also not be surprised if the city has an ordnance stating you need to pick up after your dog. If the city was smart, they would be sitting in wait with citation books in hand to make some money from this.

        1. StheD
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          Re: Hmmmm....

          That's right, the homeless are the ones organizing the demonstration, and San Francisco is the only place in the entire world with the homeless.

    2. spacecadet66

      Re: Hmmmm....

      "Do children play there?"

      It's in San Francisco. So no. Not a lot of kids there on the whole, compared to other cities that size.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmmmm....

      Not sure why the down votes, toxocariasis from dog shit is quite nasty and kids are most at risk from it.

      ""We can get together on Sunday and clean up the mess ""

      So somehow a rake gets rid of trodden in, mush? I can tell you from experience, it doesn't.

    4. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Hmmmm....

      yeah they "promise" to get together and clean it up afterwards, but you know how it is with lefties... whenever you see photos of 'the aftermath' when they leave, trash all over etc. because most of them have the mentality that "someone else" will do it [usually gummint]. It's how they think. Gummint does EVERYTHING according to leftists, so cleaning up their mess would make sense, to THEM.

      here's an example: http://www.king5.com/tech/science/environment/ton-of-trash-left-behind-after-environmental-protest/197524056

      and don't forget trash arranged in the form of a peace sign, at woodstock... [yeah why couldnt' they haul it away instead?] OK not a protest, but it was hippies "back in the day", a foreshadowing of the future behavior of left-leaning protests, I'd guess.

      This as opposed to Tea Party rallies in which the level of trash afterwards was apparently VERY SMALL (and piled near trash cans when they overflow).

      http://goodsensepolitics.blogspot.com/2009/09/compare-garbage-after-tea-party-vs.html

      So yeah, who IS going to clean that up? THEY say THEY will. I wouldn't hold my breath... well, I guess I'd hold my breath anyway, because the stench of the DOG CRAP will be pretty foul.

      Yeah, they CLAIM they'll clean it up, but they're "fulla crap". had to say that.

      1. steward
        FAIL

        Re: Hmmmm....

        Well, you're certainly bombastically ignorant. Woodstock was a capitalist endeavor to make money off of hippies. The ticket price in 1969 dollars was $18 for three days ( $120 current USD, 93.24 current GBP.) The capitalists who sold the tickets were responsible for hauling the trash away.

        People holding an event for which a fee is charged are responsible for cleaning it up, but sometimes they're fulla crap.

        1. Ian Michael Gumby Silver badge
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          Re: Hmmmm....

          People holding an event for which a fee is charged are responsible for cleaning it up, but sometimes they're fulla crap.

          In this case.. the doogie doo is there before the event so its on the backs of the parks and recreation service to clean the area before the event. Its not part of the event.

          But its all moot, because the event was cancelled out of concern that there will be violence. From both the right and the left.

          The reality is that this wasn't an ALT-RIGHT group. This was a group that wants to protect our first amendment rights which are being shut down by the left. Seriously this is fscked up. People are afraid to speak their mind because they are afraid of being attacked.

          They cancelled the event because they knew that the Alt-Left (BLM, Antifa and other organizations ) were already planning for armed protest. However, there was evidence that 'white supremacists' and other alt-right groups were planning to attend to make the event violent and to clash with the protesters.

          Note: California is home to both Alt-Left (Antifa ) and Alt-Right (Neo-Nazi , 'White Supremacists') factions who both have had violent protests and attacks.

          Things are a bit more complicated that what you see in the Guardian and other newsprint. A lot of this is dumb'd down for the masses. This is also why Trump's comments were taken out of context and people didn't understand what he was saying about Charlottesville. (Nobody but the neo-nazis and ISIS would condone somebody running people down with a car.)

          Things are getting out of hand and this SHIT STORM was caused by the Dems.

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    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmmmm....

      There are no nazis.

      It's a christian prayer rally.

      https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPrayerUSA/

      1. h4rm0ny

        Re: Hmmmm....

        The whole anti-fascist movement has parallels with Think of the Children types, imo. Proponents say "why would you oppose laws against paedophiles / why would you defend paedophiles". But then they go and gather a lynch mob outside a paediatrician's house.

        Being against Nazis - I get that. You getting to decide anyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi, not so much.

        1. Ian Michael Gumby Silver badge
          Megaphone

          @harmony Re: Hmmmm....

          Exactly.

          Bantering around terms that are loaded and prejudice is just wrong. Hence we have Goodwin's rule.

          The Antifa movement is more about anarchy than is for anything. Some members have gone on record saying that they justify their violence as 'self defense'.

          People getting attacked for having a hair cut or wearing a white shirt and khakis and accused of being 'White Supremacists'.... Or for wearing a Trump hat... not good.

          To give you an example... a group of school aged kids were in D.C on a school trip. They had scheduled to eat lunch at Howard University. Some had Trump's MAGA hat and were verbally assaulted by University students. (Think about that for a second... ) Adults verbally harassing school kids on a school trip. (teens/tweens)

          To make matters worse... The University apologizes to the students of the University for having to be inflicted with someone wearing a MAGA hat, rather than chastise the college students for acting inappropriately.

          This is really f'd up. And I've seen same stupidity on the other side of the pond in Edinburgh.

      2. Hans 1 Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Hmmmm....

        It's a christian prayer rally.

        You forgot the "patriotic" part, you know .... very important, here ...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hmmmm....

          The organiser is half african.

          They want everyone to attend. Black, white, asian, gay, straight; they don't care, they want them to come along, to talk and listen to what is probably mediocre music, and eat bbq They're a welcoming group.

          This entire thing came about because they said they support free speech and because they have the word "patriot" in their rally title. The media and the "left" (by which I mean the regressive "you aren't allowed to think that you rapist alt-right nazi scum" authoritarians who align with the left) have talked up a shitstorm, claiming that it's a white supremacist group without any evidence beyond the fact that the group says it stands for free speech.

          If standing for free speech makes one a nazi now, then I'm a fucking nazi as well.

        2. HausWolf

          Re: Hmmmm....

          Most groups here in the states that have patriot in their title or event name don't believe in free speech.

          1. h4rm0ny

            Re: Hmmmm....

            >>Most groups here in the states that have patriot in their title or event name don't believe in free speech.

            Examples / support for that?

            The Patriot Prayer meeting that this story is specifically about, is a pro-Free Speech group just for example.

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            1. h4rm0ny

              Re: Hmmmm....

              Yes. The reporter (guy in the red top who leapt in to save him) said at the time he thought "they're going to kill him". He also reported there was a line of police who could see what was happening but didn't intervene.

              This clip is the same location and people a few minutes before. The person who ended up on the ground being beaten was just behind the two in this clip. These two managed to get away. To howls of "pussy" from the aggressive mob pursuing him. I would have been running from my life by that point, so I don't see why.

              Very aggressive, pro-violence. And I heard someone try to support it by saying the victims were deliberately provoking the aggression by, I kid you not, "speaking against marxism".

              Here are a couple of actual speakers: Link

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nice

    It'll make San Fran like Paris.

    1. wallaby

      Re: Nice

      You head it Nice then reference Paris...... pick a part of France and stick to it

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        1. wallaby

          Re: Nice

          Ahh,,,, yes, before we all start calling each other nasty Nimes, youll only set yourself up Toulouse

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          2. Anonymous Coward
            Paris Hilton

            Re: Nice

            Calling each other nasty Nimes is a form of Arras-ment. And I've added a relevant french city based I-Caen to this post.

            1. wallaby

              Re: Nice

              you need to keep aBrest of French geography

              1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

                Re: Nice

                These puns are a Lille off.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Nice

                  My Marseille they are quite good though.

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                    1. ukgnome Silver badge

                      Re: Nice

                      Let's get back to topic - this white sands place, is it near the beach? You could take a little dieppe to cool off from when finished scooping.

        2. Hans 1 Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: Nice

          Reminds of a relative (a Brit, of course) who searched for the Cannes festival in Caen ... ;-)

          1. Korev Silver badge
            Coat

            Re: Nice

            I'm expecting you to get Bordeaux of these puns soon

      2. Chemical Bob
        Thumb Up

        Re: Nice

        "pick a part of France and stick to it"

        OK, I'll stick to the place in France where the naked ladies dance...

    2. macjules Silver badge

      Re: Nice

      Now you're just Bordeaux on the ridiculous.You've been on El Reg now for far Toulon.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I knew the shit would hit the fan eventually.

  4. 4d3fect

    Gave away the game plan, didn't they?

    Well, I suppose they must make their duty clean---er, clear.

  5. RyokuMas Silver badge
    Trollface

    Question...

    What exactly is the IT angle in this story?

    As amusing as this sort of thing is, for a site that bills itself as "Biting the hand that feeds IT", there sure seems to have been a lot of political influence of late - alt-right, Brexit...

    Can we get back to being territorial about mobile operating systems, please?

    1. AbelSoul
      Flame

      Re: Question...

      What exactly is the IT angle in this story?

      Not this kiech again - it's bootnotes.

      Bootnotes.

      Bootnotes!

      BOOTNOTES!!

      1. Jamesit

        Re: Question...

        m.reg doesn't identify what section the article it is in. People using the mobile site wouldn't know what section the article is in.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Question...

      What exactly is the IT angle in this story?

      Yawn.

      1. It's Friday

      2. We don't care

      3. If you really need one, it's about a Fa(e)cebook Group.

      Lighten up! It's almost beer o'clock!

      1. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

        Re: Question...

        It's always beer o'clock somewhere in the Empire.

    3. macjules Silver badge

      Re: Question...

      What exactly is the IT angle in this story?

      Sometimes there is no avoiding having to deal with today's shit tomorrow.

  6. DagD

    biological warfare

    sounds like a terrorist action to me. Not to mention this is California....

    I'm sure some endangered turtle or something is going suffer - lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: biological warfare

      No it does not. At least compared to what we used a couple of times during student protests in one unnamed Eastern European country.

      Recipe for counter-demonstration:

      1. Several boxes of eggs

      2. Liquid culture of Bacillus Subitils from the microbiology department. This is the preferred option as it will produce the desired result while being harmless to humans (that is official - FDA says so). Other bacteria or just plain soil in water will do too, but may result in you being blamed for producing bio weapons.

      3. Syringe with hypodermic needle and superglue. Carefully inject each egg with ~ 0.1 ml and seal the hole with superglue.

      4. Incubate over night at 37C.

      5. Counterdemonstrate at will.

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        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: biological warfare

          Err... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide

          The stench of rotten eggs is not H2S, it is thioles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiol). All of them are toxic to some extent too, but there is a major difference compared to H2S. H2S is toxic at the concentration where it stinks to high heaven. Thioles on the other hand stink to high heaven long before they become toxic. For example the stench of Butyl-mercaptane can be barely tolerated at ppb (not even ppm). In fact a concentration of thioles which is toxic will knock you out flat as a stun grenade by stench alone long before it is toxic. They also have an interesting side effect - they saturate their receptors so people exposed to them stop feeling the stench. As a result they walk around still thinking to high heaven without understanding why everyone else avoids them.

          1. bombastic bob Silver badge
            Trollface

            Re: biological warfare

            "The stench of rotten eggs is not H2S, it is thioles "

            like my farts. similar gas.

            "They also have an interesting side effect - they saturate their receptors so people exposed to them stop feeling the stench"

            yeah I'm 'nose blind' to them, heh.

            /me goes off and clears a room. muahahahaha!

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: biological warfare

            You could just as well use Skatol.

            It is available as commercial, synthetic crystals and it's the compund that gives shit it's stink. A gram goes a long way. The MSDS for Skatol is quite benign.

  7. PhilK
    Flame

    Fines?

    This sounds like an excellent way for the local cops to fulfill their ticket quotas for the month in a single day.

    1. Eddy Ito Silver badge

      Re: Fines?

      Don't forget that the local cops will be loving the overtime pay as well.

    2. 2Nick3 Bronze badge

      Re: Fines?

      I was thinking the exact same thing - I'm pretty sure it's not legal to leave the emissions from your dog's behind behind in California, and you just announced to world+dog that you will be doing exactly that, with the when and where (linked to your name and pictures of you and your dog, too).

      Plus annoying the poop out of a bunch of alt-righters always ends well. Provoking people who are already angry and tend to be prone to violence - good plan.

      1. Big John Silver badge

        Re: Fines?

        The right are the violence prone ones, sure. That's why when Antifa and BLM are bussed in they come masked and wielding weapons (besides the dog crap I mean). Oh, and they use those weapons too, especially when they're paid to gather in great numbers (by big pocket leftists) to harass right wingers. It's easy to do when a Democrat mayor makes sure the police are held way, way back to give them room to swing and throw.

        But hey, anyone they label the "alt-right" is now by definition a Nazi, and therefore has given up the right to be considered human. They deserve anything they get, correct?

        So who exactly are the ones prone to violence? The ones defending free speech? Or the ones determined to stop that free speech by any means, including weapons of mass poo?

        1. FatGerman

          Re: Fines?

          >>So who exactly are the ones prone to violence? The ones defending free speech? Or the ones determined to stop that free speech by any means, including weapons of mass poo?

          I fully support your right to free speech, so long as you also accept my right to throw shit at you if what you shout in the name of free speech is racist, sexist, dogmatic cretinitude.

          And no, you can't object or protest when I call you an ignorant shit-eating cretin, because it's my right to do so in the name of free speech.

          Go find your petard. I fully expect the sarcasm inherent in the system has gone way over your head.

          1. Justin Pasher

            Re: Fines?

            "I fully support your right to free speech, so long as you also accept my right to throw sh*t at you..."

            Actually, that would probably be considered assault, so not actually a right you are granted.

          2. drewsup

            Re: Fines?

            Your "right" to swing a fist ends at the tip on MY nose, anything further is assault, but being a Libtard that you are, you don't understand "other" peoples rights, do you?

            1. quxinot

              Re: Fines?

              >Your "right" to swing a fist ends at the tip on MY nose, anything further is assault, but being a Libtard that you are, you don't understand "other" peoples rights, do you?

              Negative. The act of swinging the fist is assault unto itself. Making contact adds "Battery" to the list.

            2. Patched Out

              Re: Fines?

              Actually, that would be battery. Assault is just threatening bodily harm.

          3. Updraft102 Silver badge

            Re: Fines?

            "I fully support your right to free speech, so long as you also accept my right to throw shit at you if what you shout in the name of free speech is racist, sexist, dogmatic cretinitude."

            If you think you can physically assault someone with biohazardous waste if they say something you don't like, you don't support free speech.

            "And no, you can't object or protest when I call you an ignorant shit-eating cretin, because it's my right to do so in the name of free speech."

            It is your right to do so in the name of free speech, but it is also the person's right to object and protest. You don't really seem to "get" this whole free speech thing at all.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Fines? - 250$ Bare Minimum

        California Penal Code Section 374.4

        A person, firm, or corporation convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished by a mandatory fine of not less than two hundred fifty dollars ($250) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) upon a first conviction, by a mandatory fine of not less than five hundred dollars ($500) nor more than one thousand five hundred dollars ($1,500) upon a second conviction, and by a mandatory fine of not less than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750) nor more than three thousand dollars ($3,000) upon a third or subsequent conviction.

        And dumping animal waste on a beach or adjacent to a waterway or storm drain (in addition to being a dick move) will also put people at risk of some more draconian penalties under environmental law for jacking with water quality. So if you were thinking about it, don't. It will only make you and your side look like a-holes anyway. Especially if the other side show up with shovels and literally clean up your shit at the protest. That'll have great optics.

        Left or Right, this is a side effect of a toxic culture where any thing you do to the other side is ignored, just or otherwise. Nobody is allow to disagree with or call out there own side until the foamies have gotten totally out of control. Now it's gotten so bad that we basically need a leash law for the majority of the human population of Berkley, who are now worse behaved then their pets.

        Bad protestor! No biscuit! Don't make us find a newspaper...

      3. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Unhappy

        Re: Fines?

        "I'm pretty sure it's not legal to leave the emissions from your dog's behind behind in California"

        it's not - you're supposed to pick it up and dispose of it. In San Francisco that might require taking it to some kind of inconvenient "disposal center" but for the rest of us, use one of those single-use plastic bags [the kind california recently made illegal for grocery stores to bag your food in, so I do "no bags" now so I don't have to buy "re-usable" ones] and if you hold the bag around your hand properly, you can safely grab the doggie land mine and wrap the bag around it. SAFE! [plastic mitts, in convenient dispensers, also provided in some areas for this very purpose]

        So yeah, you're SUPPOSED to pick up the dog crap and throw it out or something. And if it's wrapped in plastic, it would help cut back on the smell a bit... [I wonder if those free plastic mitts have deoderizer on them]

        But yeah, it's pretty much state wide from what I understand, though at the city/county level and not a state law. Pretty sure. Otherwise, in coastal communities, a big rain storm would wash a bunch of dog crap right into the ocean from the storm drain overflow [same if the dog crap is on the beach]. So yeah, it needs to be cleaned up. We don't want high bad-bacteria levels in the water.

        And so the protesters would've had to accumulate a bunch of crap-bags from the usual walks where they had to pick it up. That should complete the picture, I guess.

        [seeing the other post, with reference to 'dumping', that might be a different thing entirely]

        1. StheD

          Re: Fines?

          Gee, finally something BB is qualified to write about - though even this he doesn't know about.

          I've done a lot of walking around lots of parts of San Francisco lately, and I've seen zero dog poop. Plastic bags for veggies are still legal, and are better than grocery bags for picking up poop - and I have first hand experience,

          August in San Francisco is not a time where you have to worry about rain storms washing poop out to sea.

          As for them cleaning it up, I'm betting they will. A few years back I was at a riot at Berkeley where they burned a car. Turned out that they bought the car to burn, and when some over-exuberant protesters smashed a store window the organizers paid the owner for the damage.

          Bottom line - you don't know crap about crap in SF.

          1. jmcc

            Re: Fines?

            @StheD

            You sound like a Ten Year Tourist. Lots of dog shit on the streets in SF. Just try the streets around any of the street people encampments. Although at least in places like the Mission, SoMa, Tenderloin its fifty/fifty its actually human shit. The old local name for Duboce Park was Dog Shit park. Way before your time. That was back in the 1980's / 1990's. The only reason the park got a major revamp was because most of the park was unusable due to dog shit and street people shooting up.

            Native born San Franciscians are a very tolerant lot. And a very conservative lot. In fact a majority of the ones I know who voted last time around voted Trump. Not talking the trustafarians or those whose middle class hippy parents bought a run down Victorian for $30K in the 70's. I'm talking the working class ones who were mostly forced out by the no-growth white middle class outsiders (mostly out of state) who colonized large part of the city from the 1960's onwards. The blow ins on the other hand are the most intolerant, doctrinaire, and low information people you could possibly meet. Go to any "demo" in SF and you will have to search long and hard to find anyone who lived in SF for more than ten years. And the vast majority will have left in ten years time.

            The fastest way to shut up some loud mouth progressive spouting off in SF is to simply ask them how long they have lived in SF. The answer is usually a few years at most. And having watched generations of these loud mouths come and go over the decades I have come to think of them as tourists. Just like the natives do. Little different from any of the mindless hoards you see down at Fisherman Wharf and Upper Haight or all the other completely fake and phony tourist attractions. So in SF "Progressive" is pretty much synonymous with short term resident tourist.

            So, no, there is no free speech in SF. Due to the arrogant intolerance of these temporary and transient residents.Who are overwhelming white middle class and who grew up in affluent suburbs. And half are out of state. They will try to shout down anyone who dares to disagree with them. Luckily they mostly herd, mostly reside in the same few neighborhoods. A quick to find out where all the "progressives" live in SF is to look at the racial distribution of areas in the city. See all those white clusters? Thats were all the "progressives" live. They live in the least diverse and racially integrated neighborhoods in SF

            So very much like Portland. Which will soon be almost as white as northern Idaho. Funny that. All the white "progressives" live in the whitest neighborhoods. My neighborhood has gone from working class / lower middle class white / to working class / middle class asian over the decades. And not a "progressive" to be seen anywhere. The Real San Francisco.

            You should try it. The Real San Francico. Live here for at least 15/20 years and you will start getting to know the locals and discover what a very nice small town it can be. And you will start, like all the locals, to politely ignore all the Ten Year Tourists as little more than the spoiled noisy brats they actually are. Who will be soon gone anyway.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Fines?

            @StheD

            You sound like a Ten Year Tourist. Lots of dog shit on the streets in SF. Just try the streets around any of the street people encampments. Although at least in places like the Mission, SoMa, Tenderloin its fifty/fifty its actually human shit. The old local name for Duboce Park was Dog Shit park. Way before your time. That was back in the 1980's / 1990's. The only reason the park got a major revamp was because most of the park was unusable due to dog shit and street people shooting up.

            Native born San Franciscians are a very tolerant lot. And a very conservative lot. In fact a majority of the ones I know who voted last time around voted Trump. Not talking the trustafarians or those whose middle class hippy parents bought a run down Victorian for $30K in the 70's. I'm talking the working class ones who were mostly forced out by the no-growth white middle class outsiders (mostly out of state) who colonized large part of the city from the 1960's onwards. The blow ins on the other hand are the most intolerant, doctrinaire, and low information people you could possibly meet. Go to any "demo" in SF and you will have to search long and hard to find anyone who lived in SF for more than ten years. And the vast majority will have left in ten years time.

            The fastest way to shut up some loud mouth progressive spouting off in SF is to simply ask them how long they have lived in SF. The answer is usually a few years at most. And having watched generations of these loud mouths come and go over the decades I have come to think of them as tourists. Just like the natives do. Little different from any of the mindless hoards you see down at Fisherman Wharf and Upper Haight or all the other completely fake and phony tourist attractions. So in SF "Progressive" is pretty much synonymous with short term resident tourist.

            So, no, there is no free speech in SF. Due to the arrogant intolerance of these temporary and transient residents.Who are overwhelming white middle class and who grew up in affluent suburbs. And half are out of state. They will try to shout down anyone who dares to disagree with them. Luckily they mostly herd, mostly reside in the same few neighborhoods. A quick to find out where all the "progressives" live in SF is to look at the racial distribution of areas in the city. See all those white clusters? Thats were all the "progressives" live. They live in the least diverse and racially integrated neighborhoods in SF

            So very much like Portland. Which will soon be almost as white as northern Idaho. Funny that. All the white "progressives" live in the whitest neighborhoods. My neighborhood has gone from working class / lower middle class white / to working class / middle class asian over the decades. And not a "progressive" to be seen anywhere. The Real San Francisco.

            You should try it. Just live here for 15/20 years.

          3. jmcc

            Re: Fines?

            @StheD

            You sound like a Ten Year Tourist. Lots of dog shit on the streets in SF. Just try the streets around any of the street people encampments. Although at least in places like the Mission, SoMa, Tenderloin its fifty/fifty its actually human shit. The old local name for Duboce Park was Dog Shit park. Way before your time. That was back in the 1980's / 1990's. The only reason the park got a major revamp was because most of the park was unusable due to dog shit and street people shooting up.

            Native born San Franciscians are a very tolerant lot. And a very conservative lot. In fact a majority of the ones I know who voted last time around voted Trump. Not talking the trustafarians or those whose middle class hippy parents bought a run down Victorian for $30K in the 70's. I'm talking the working class ones who were mostly forced out by the no-growth white middle class outsiders (mostly out of state) who colonized large part of the city from the 1960's onwards. The blow ins on the other hand are the most intolerant, doctrinaire, and low information people you could possibly meet. Go to any "demo" in SF and you will have to search long and hard to find anyone who lived in SF for more than ten years. And the vast majority will have left in ten years time.

            The fastest way to shut up some loud mouth progressive spouting off in SF is to simply ask them how long they have lived in SF. The answer is usually a few years at most. And having watched generations of these loud mouths come and go over the decades I have come to think of them as tourists. Just like the natives do. Little different from any of the mindless hoards you see down at Fisherman Wharf and Upper Haight or all the other completely fake and phony tourist attractions. So in SF "Progressive" is pretty much synonymous with short term resident tourist.

            So, no, there is no free speech in SF. Due to the arrogant intolerance of these temporary and transient residents.Who are overwhelming white middle class and who grew up in affluent suburbs. And half are out of state. They will try to shout down anyone who dares to disagree with them. Luckily they mostly herd, mostly reside in the same few neighborhoods. A quick to find out where all the "progressives" live in SF is to look at the racial distribution of areas in the city. See all those white clusters? Thats were all the "progressives" live. They live in the least diverse and racially integrated neighborhoods in SF

            So very much like Portland. Which will soon be almost as white as northern Idaho. Funny that. All the white "progressives" live in the whitest neighborhoods. My neighborhood has gone from working class / lower middle class white / to working class / middle class asian over the decades. And not a "progressive" to be seen anywhere. The Real San Francisco.

            You should try it sometime. Just live here for at least 15/20 years.

    3. StheD
      Boffin

      Re: Fines?

      And piss of law abiding local residents for the benefit or visiting fascists? Not going to happen.

  8. chivo243 Silver badge

    Chuck and Bob!

    Was Tuffy a fan of the American TV series "Soap"?

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      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Chuck and Bob!

        I think I'm going to be confused (if I'm not already)!

      2. chivo243 Silver badge

        Re: Chuck and Bob!

        @Symon

        +1 as you either have a great memory, or you also liked that wacky tv program! Or both ;-}

  9. regregular

    Interesting point brought up... I too remember dog shit turning white over time from back when. It doesn't seem to do that anymore, at least I don't see it anymore (and I have a dog and walk him where other dogs roam, so I see a good share of aging turds).

    What's up with that? Have there been any changes in composition of dog food or something?

    1. DwarfPants

      It does not go white any more as it is in a sented bag hung in the nearest tree. If you are going to bother bagging it, have the decency to bin it.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Some would suggest the extreme supporter of both ends of the political spectrum are full of sh*t already.

    They don't need to commit ecological terrorism to prove Alt-Right are a bunch of raving morons, just use calm and reasoned arguments.

    Oh I forgot, you can't have a right-wing march or demonstration without the loony left causing a ruck...

    1. Oblamo BinLyen

      I've re-read the 1st Amendment, it doesn't mention the right to suppress speech. If you don't like the message then formulate a reply or don't listen. Terrorism and violence isn't the answer. But given the history of the extremes it seems the only way they can do anything. I invite all to spend 5ms researching AntiFa and the National Socialists....they are kissin' cousins. PTSFP

      1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Remember when...

        Being anti-fascist was the default position of the vast majority of humanity? Pepperidge Farm does...

        I'm sure WWII would have been avoided by a nice chat over a cup of tea, too. No violence required to defeat fascists...

        1. Eddy Ito Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: Remember when...

          Seriously? Your equating a small group of whinging whitey whack job wankers demonstrating their inferiority complex with WW2 and the holocaust is rather insulting to any and all survivors as well as those survivors' descendants.

          At least you've got Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot to prove your point.

        2. Mycho Silver badge

          Re: Remember when...

          I remember when being anti-fascist didn't involve dog shit at all.

        3. bombastic bob Silver badge
          Stop

          Re: Remember when...

          Antifa protesters and other rioters aren't doing any equivalent of fighting WW2 against Nazis. they are busy causing riots and damaging people/property to create CHAOS, which is how they operate. It's a form of TERRORISM to do that. And it's being TOLERATED by left-leaning gummint and law enforcement "people in charge".

          RIOTERS should be SHOT. The National Guard can handle that. If I were the mayor of a town where Antifa started rioting, I'd call them in when the first window gets broken, or the first firecracker is thrown at a cop. That'll fix it.

          Peaceful protest marches are more effective. They get the word out. No need to start a riot.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Remember when...

            Nothing, no right, no liberty, was ever won by the people by means of solely peaceful protests.

            1. Eddy Ito Silver badge
              WTF?

              Re: Remember when...

              So you're saying the neo-nazis need to fight, as in non-peaceful, for their 1st Amendment rights?

            2. Mycho Silver badge

              Re: Remember when...

              Nothing, no right, no liberty, was ever won by the people by means of solely peaceful protests.

              Platitude.

            3. Captain DaFt

              Re: Remember when...

              Nothing, no right, no liberty, was ever won by the people by means of solely peaceful protests.

              "Mahatma Gandhi:

              Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was the leader of the Indian independence movement against British rule. Employing nonviolent civil disobedience, Gandhi led India to independence and inspired movements for civil rights and freedom across the world."

              Well, hardly ever.

              1. JLV Silver badge

                Re: Remember when...

                >peaceful protests

                It's also interesting how Intifada 1, which was mostly non-violent, would have fared wrt Israeli policy of mostly no meaningful dialog, settlement extension and occasional violence. Would the world have veered towards South African style boycotts and divestment? Would Israelis have realized that their current military dominance and perhaps fleeting US superpowerdom makes this the ideal time to cut a deal?

                Intifada 2 fucked that up and current Hamas and internal Palestinian terrorism makes it unlikely that Israel will face any significant international pressure until too late.

                To go back to the OPs point: violent protest is unjustified against the Nazis at this place and time. They are not about to take power and they would likely face prosecution if they turned violent themselves, much as certain toupee-wearing fools feel ambivalent. If you want to brawl, don't cloak yourself in false civil virtues - you are not representing too many of us.

                1. Updraft102 Silver badge

                  Re: Remember when...

                  "To go back to the OPs point: violent protest is unjustified against the Nazis at this place and time."

                  There are no real Nazis at this time. Those that call themselves that are a bunch of idiots out to get a little publicity and to parade their stupidity before us all. They're too small in number to even worry about... the idea that there has to be an "Antifa" movement to oppose them is laughable. They're irrelevant, right until the media makes them into a story that is relevant.

                  The leftists out there in Antifa know this... they're deliberately trying to conflate the irrelevant and laughable "Nazi" and "KKK" idiots with anything even remotely right-wing, in a massive attempt at a strawman fallacy. If you make your political opponents into literal Nazis, it makes it so much easier to oppose them than if you had to debate their actual political opinions! Never mind that their neo-Marxist beliefs are only a hair's breadth from actual fascist beliefs, and that what is meant by "right-wing" these days is about as far from fascism as one can get. Small, decentralized government, deregulation, individual liberty, low taxes, free enterprise, unrestricted speech... none of that is any more popular with fascists than it is with communists.

              2. Jemma Silver badge

                Re: Remember when...

                You of course forgot that part where the Brits opened up with rifle fire & LMG on unarmed women and children - and only didn't have a go with the Rolls Royce armoured car because they wouldn't fit down the alleyways and lanes leading into the area.

                Or the part where there were beatings and torture.

                Or the bit where the one country got split into two countries (mostly because of a Rotund alcoholic racist, whose currently living spawn is a chubby girl called Victoria) on the basis that if we can't have it, we'll fuck it up good and proper for everyone else..

                Did I mention Hindu parents decapitating *their own daughters* because that was infinitely better than what the Muslim gangs would have done to them... Thank you so much Great Britain for winding it up to that point.

                Being British is an embarrassment only exceeded by being an Inbredistani - and they only make it worse because but for us there wouldn't be a United States of Inbredistan to be an international laughing stock.

                I'd just like 15 minutes with that Michelle Keegan girl and the real history of the British army - just to see the look on her airheaded face when she realises how much bollocks she's been spurting. Oh, you mean you didn't know we were dousing women and children in neat mustard gas from aircraft in the 1920s...? I hope fervently if one of the girls she conned into joining up gets maimed or killed the parents track her down and beat 7 kinds of crap out of her*.

                *which will take a while because only 4 kinds of crap have so far been discovered.

                As to the Redneckians of KY county. Do what you like, just for heavens sake do not share it with us. If we want to vicariously enjoy the antics of rabid toddlers we'll ask. I suggest you don't wait up.

            4. Hans 1 Silver badge
              Coat

              Re: Remember when...

              Nothing, no right, no liberty, was ever won by the people by means of solely peaceful protests.

              There's that Indian bloke, what was his name again, Gandhi ? He decolonized India, peacefully ... then got killed and shit hit the fan ..

              There's that South African fellow, Mandela, again, peacefully stopped Apartheid ... then his wife took over and shit hit the fan, the place is fucked, now ...

              Rosa Parks, peacefully, secured some rights for blacks in the US ...

              You can achieve great things peacefully ... just sayin'

              Still beer o'clock where I am now ;-)

  11. Chris G Silver badge

    What if

    You want to protest but don't have a dog, will any doo doo do?

    Can people provide their own or go to a kennels/stables etc to collect in bulk?

    Enquiring minds etc...

  12. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

    A shit idea

    As much as it put a smile on my face I'm not sure it's a practical or sensible idea. Two wrongs don't make a right.

    Not only will stomped-down shit be hard to clear but the Nazis may well bring their own - and worse - to add to what needs tidying up. And the few mugs who turn out to clean the beach probably won't.

    Can't they find a 'freepost' address for the Nazis, bankrupt them by sending them letters?

    That of course can cut both ways.

  13. Fading Silver badge

    When did Far Right

    Become alt-right? And how far off until alt-right becomes centre-right and then centre-right becomes centre then centre-left. In the end we shall all be Stalinist on threat of ice-pick.........

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: When did Far Right

      Alt Right is just another name for Nazi. (Funny how the nut jobs that want to dispense with political correctness invented a politically correct moniker for themselves in a vain attempt to disguise who they actually are.)

      And once you associate with Nazis you are, by definition, a Nazi yourself. (I'm looking at you Republican party.)

    2. The Axe

      Re: When did Far Right

      Everyone is an alt-right Nazi when the default position is to be a Communist which is what AntiFa are really. AntiFa are also the biggest fascists as they use fascist techniques to further their message, ie. force.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: When did Far Right

        > Everyone is an alt-right Nazi when the default position

        > is to be a Communist which is what AntiFa are really.

        > AntiFa are also the biggest fascists as they use fascist

        > techniques to further their message, ie. force.

        Steve Bannon, is that you? You'll tell any old lie, won't you! Next you're going to tell us that Charlottesville was an Left conspiracy (to make Nazis look bad?) As if Nazis need any help looking bad. Force? How many AntiFa have run over Nazis because they didn't like them. Answer: none.

        Here's a pic of some AntiFa on their way to deal with your type https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20882268_1971121632898805_4938448692081079455_n.jpg?oh=35310bbfe182f7af13260501d34f71f8&oe=5A231989

        No go crawl back under your rock you slimy git.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          I'm going to chip in and point something out.

          AntiFa are currently running a campaign to get the alt right shut down, removed from the internet and ban/stop any speech or rallies using force. Yes or No?

          So they are doing the things they are supposed to be standing up against.

          Lets look at some of the definitions of fascism,

          forcible suppression of opposition - Check

          control of industry and commerce - Check with the internet

          dictatorial power - Only takes one person to step up as their leader, I've seen that somewhere before. maybe last century, thinking Germany for some reason?

          radical authoritarian nationalism - comes after you establish the dictatorial power.

          Also I would like to say I am offended by that picture, it's an insult to all who were in the war as they didn't do it so some prick could use their death as a meme for a fascist wannabe organisation.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: I'm going to chip in and point something out.

            This ones for the down voters.

            What are you? You are a populist movement who due to your large number of followers can influence and coerce governments and corporations against minorities. Now I don't agree with these minorities at all but when you have a populist movement they could find offence at something else which I do agree with. Then where are we? That's right were back on our way to a totalitarian world, you know the one you are against. It's already begun, you fight hate speech but who defines hate speech, you oppress opinion when it doesn't match your own rather than discussing it. The governments of the world are now doing your bidding by spying on everyone to find the people you claim not to like or whose opinion doesn't match the majority. One day it will be turned round on yourselves because you have allowed yourself to be in this position.

            These Nazis you hate and want to oppress are nothing compared to the Nazis from the left leaning socialist movement that Hitler founded. Look at history, it's not the far right you have to worry about, it's the populist movements who eventually become the thing you hate.

            I feel I waste my time with these comments because people just don't see it, populist movements create totalitarian governments because they allow them the powers needed to do it.

            So please feel free to throw dogshit and get violent against a few Nazis, it won't do you any good but at least you'll feel better when it all really goes to shit.

            1. h4rm0ny
              Big Brother

              Re: I'm going to chip in and point something out.

              Just to add further to you post, I've seen no proof that they are Nazis. They're a Christian Prayer group. This is starting to look like those high school girls who got bullied off a university campus and called racist and white supremacist because they were Trump supporters. Half of the USA are not Nazis. It's being levelled at anyone and everyone that Antifa don't like.

              Orwell because they're determined to stamp out 'thought-crime'.

            2. Hans 1 Silver badge
              Windows

              Re: I'm going to chip in and point something out.

              Nazism, a far left movement, Hitler, a socialist etc etc

              1. I learned history in a Germany school, where this part of history gets a lot of emphasis, so much so they have quite high suicide rates among the youth ...

              2. Hitler was far right, this whole "National Socialist" mantra was deception to get the workers. D'oh! Feyman, you are one fine earthling. Doublespeak, heard of it ?

              3. NSDAP was about social Darwinism, patriotism/nationalism and scapegoating minorities

              In politics, you have the following that DEFINES left, right, and center:

              |Far Left|internationalists

              |Left|Social Democrats

              |Center|democrats, religious retards

              |Right|religious retarded patriots aka conservatives or republicans

              |Far Right|nationalists (aka conservatives, republicans, UKIP, BNP, FN)

              L'Internationale, heard of it ?

              Nazi Germany fought in Spain against republicans (democrats, communists, and social democrats)

              NSDAP had tried to put all social democratic and communist MP's into concentration camps ...

              Socialism is on the road map to Communism, theoretically ...

              In practice, Socialism does not lead to Communism as under Socialism, the workers take power, "Diktatur der Arbeiterschaft" to quote Marx in his language ... the catch is, once "workers" get to power they cease to be workers ... a thing Marx and Engels did not realize ... we are all humans and humans tend to cling to power, especially if the "workers" get to rule in a dictatorship.

              I am appalled by this revisionism ... facebook is full of it ... as Goebbels once said "Repeat a lie often enough and it will become perceived truth." The problem is, you have been contaminated by this Nazi BS and that is the problem, that is why Nazism is outlawed in Germany, because it is full of shit. They lie, all the time, like Farrage, Le Pen, Bush, Trump, you name 'em ... however, a lie repeated often enough gets you a long way, how many million for the NHS, again ????

              Go read some history books, mate ... all I can say ...

              1. Subtilior

                Re: I'm going to chip in and point something out.

                Your classification of what left and right means seems to be what is retarded, as it groups together a lot of people who have nothing to do with each other under each section. A better definition of what keft and right means is to understand that they are not political philosophies, but political marketing strategies, with the left being the ones who claim to be morally superior, and the right claiming to be competent. As such, it is better to ignore the irrelevant left/right caterwauling and instead consider individual policies in their own terms without pretending that left or right means anything at all.

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: I'm going to chip in and point something out.

                @hans 1

                "this whole "National Socialist" mantra was deception to get the workers"

                That is the point I was making, however you seem to have missed the main point which is that populism leads to totalitarian governments.

                People seem to be under this illusion (probably created by the press) that because you are attacking people that deserve to be attacked then it's all good when in reality you are being herded towards something that won't end well.

                You've studied history and the one question that gets asked a lot is why or how did the German people get on board with such appalling ideologies and commit atrocities. The answer to that is populism, when you get the majority to agree with your principles the sheep mentality kicks in and everyone thinks it's good because you are doing the right thing.

                If I was a gambling man, which I am (I play the lottery, fucking waste of time) I would bet that this current populist majority are being conditioned to hate Nazis and religious fuck nuggets and love the LGBT community. Therefore the right wing side will kick in at some point and go after the intolerant gay hating terrorist sexist women mutilating paedophile Muslims (these words are from the press and have nothing to do with my opinion of Muslims) which would work out quite nice for the oil dependent world. It'a also quite ironic that this is also Trumps plan as well and he comes across as far right.

                I've placed my bet and I'll be back in say 5-10 years to repost this comment if I am right.

                Moral of the story is "before you get all offended and join a movement attacking another group step back and think about why and what is the bigger picture, are you being used? or better yet don't attack others regardless of how unpalatable their opinion is because then you are no better than them"

              3. h4rm0ny
                Flame

                Re: I'm going to chip in and point something out.

                >>2. Hitler was far right, this whole "National Socialist" mantra was deception to get the workers. D'oh! Feyman, you are one fine earthling. Doublespeak, heard of it ?

                I am sick and tired of this strawman. The eternal insistence by those that need to describe the Nazis as Right Wing that the only reason anyone considers them Left Wing is because they have Socialist in the name.

                Well firstly, it's not worthless that they called themselves Nationalist Socialists. They did have socialist identification and doctrine whether you like it or not. Secondly, the argument that they were Left wing is NOT just stupid people who are easily fooled by a word. Mein Kampf contains a lot of heavy influences from Marx and Nazism also included a lot of seizure of private property and re-distribution of wealth. They had heavy state intervention in business. Wages and working hours were in numerous cases determined by "worker councils" that the Nazis set up between workers and managers, giving formal representation to workers. Not as extreme as Communism's wholesale handing over to the working class, but definitely on that spectrum far to the Left. They also formalized the Unions as the "German Labour Front" and merged this with the government department of economics. A quotes from a German business leader of the time: "These Nazis think of nothing but re-distributing the wealth."

                The greatest schism between the Nazis (Fascism) and the Communists, is that the former were nationalistic and the latter internationalist.

                This very tired and very erroneous meme of affecting that the only reason anyone thinks the Nazis were Left wing is because they have "Socialist" in their name needs to die a death. It's patronising and it's also wrong. It exists solely because people on the Left don't want to own up to the Nazis being part of them.

        2. Mycho Silver badge

          Re: Steve Bannon, is that you?

          No, it isn't. I suggest you take a break and come back when it doesn't seem like Steve Bannon is sending you secret messages through tech site comment threads.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: When did Far Right

        The Axe and others,

        Please clarify what these words mean:

        Communist ?

        Fascist ?

        Nazi ?

        Bonus points are available for :

        Patriot ?

        Christian ?

        Free Speech ?

        I know what I think they mean but I am, of late, seeing many using these words in a way which does not make sense to my prior understanding of these words.

        Thanks for your time and attention.

        From a concerned but confused Well-wisher.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Wouldn't they be better off force feeding castor oil to the alt-right, who would then produce the required without aid of dogs?

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If you ignore them, they'll go away...

    It saddens me that only Seattle seems to understand the correct way to deal with extremist protestors: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seattle-lenin-protest-jack-posobiec_us_59955bb3e4b0acc593e53b45

    So, 200-300 people show up in a 130-acre field and shout hateful slogans...

    ...and we all ignore them, or take pictures of their pathetic little tirade from afar and make mocking Twitter posts. It's FAR more effective than confronting them in any way, which garners them the media coverage they so crave, plus if any violence breaks out, they get to play the victim.

    Ignore them and they'll go away.

    1. The Axe

      Re: If you ignore them, they'll go away...

      Violence is always started by AntiFa. They use it to get the media coverage they crave, though the MSM is so left wing that its not hard to get some media coverage.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And its becoming disturbingly like

      The first half of the 20thCentury, when gangs of left wing thugs and gangs of right wing thugs fought to prevent the other side being heard. In Russia the left won, in Germany the right won, but I don't think either nation was the better off for it.

      Perhaps a lesson from history, which maybe ourr esteemed leaders could have been usefully observed in the worse mess that they've assisted the Middle East to, could be "just because one side are bad guys, it doesn't mean the other side are good guys".

  16. ma1010 Silver badge
    Flame

    Yes, alt-right are idiots, but...

    But all they're doing is having their little get-togethers. Or posting crap on the Internet. Anyone who disagrees with them has the right to protest their views PEACEFULLY, but why is it necessary to start flinging (or depositing) excrement and acting like a bunch of childish wankers? It would be more dignified to just stand around with anti-nazi signs or, at most, chant or sing. Escalating to your own hate speech and poo-flinging and other such behavior just makes you look like wankers and helps validate their own feelings more. Even if they're spouting total bollocks, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK, just like everyone else has the right to speak. To do anything to abridge their right to speak is to act much like the real Nazis did with their SA thug tactics.

    Disagree with them? Fine

    Protest PEACEFULLY against them? Fine

    Throwing stuff or "mining" their meeting place? NOT Fine!

    You object to the alt-right because you consider their views to be anathema to beliefs held by civilization. SO ACT CIVILIZED YOURSELVES!

    How far do you think Dr. Martin Luther King would have gotten with the sort of childish tactics the protesters are using nowadays? The leaders of the Civil Rights Movement practiced NON-violence and dignity, and they WON.

    1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Yes, alt-right are idiots, but...

      Speaking of Dr King, here's what he thought of "muh both sides" centrist "moderates":

      "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

      1. h4rm0ny

        Re: Yes, alt-right are idiots, but...

        Taking a quote from Martin Luther King in one context and transplanting it to a very different situation doesn't make it applicable. King was dealing with very real racial segregation and disenfranchisement. These people are violently opposed to Free Speech. One is not like the other.

        MLK was also a devout Christian so would likely be very sympathetic to these people who so far as I can tell, chiefly want to have a public prayer meeting. MLK was also a strong believer in non-violence, inspired by Mahatma Ghandi.

        Frankly, quoting MLK on racial discrimination in favour of Antifa types shit-bombing a group of Christians speaking out in favour of Free Speech is appalling misrepresentation of him.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As a lefty, it bothers me that there's such an anti-free speech thread through much of the 'left', it makes extremists on both sides. There's always got to be free speech, nobody has the right to not be offended.

    I hesitate to call such groups the left though, ask most of them an economic justice question and they have nothing to give. Ask them about their facebook page, and they'll whip out their iphone, ask about fair taxation they have no answer. Sadly.

    1. Eddy Ito Silver badge

      The thing is that it's more than a left-right split. There's also a forward (latitudinarian) and backward (authoritarian) split as well. One can be either left or right without being backward and you'll get backward authoritarians on both sides as well whether they're backward-right like the neo-nazis or backward-left like the antifa folks. There is also a strong sense of tribalism in the backward mindset and typically there is little concern beyond "the tribe" which is why they have no real response to issues that don't involve good tribe - bad tribe or the response is to simply blame the bad tribe for whatever is wrong.

      I fear it is getting worse as the two main political US parties are doing little more than fanning the flames of this tribalism with their hyperbolic rhetoric. Then again maybe I shouldn't be surprised since both parties are largely dominated by authoritarians as latitudinarians usually aren't interested in being in control.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Get Original People

    This is California, forget the Labrador and just bring the mauhwee wauhwee. Get both sides high, sit down and kill a few thousand pounds of potato chips with each other and "MELLOW THE F*K OUT!"

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    when those in the moral high ground...

    start chucking dog poo to prove their point, I don't even know what to say.

    hmm, Facebook has shut those guys down already? Because, ahem, encouraging to commit, as a group, with full premeditation, a hate action?

    Makes almost, but not quite, appear the other guys as human...

  20. JLV Silver badge
    Thumb Down

    Not particularily into Nazis...

    but this is fucking gross and stupid. I doubt they'll be very good at cleaning it up either.

    Police should be at hand to fine all these morons for littering. They can then stick around the next day to fine the Nazis for wasting oxygen.

  21. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

    These "people" are beyond redemption

    Degenerates. Shit flinging monkey behaviour is exactly the right activity for them.

    Fuck them.

  22. Captain DaFt

    Stand by for ironic backfire

    "locals are storing up their doggy do-do and plan to distribute it in the area the protestors are holding the rally."

    Then the Alt-right group shows up, photographs the mess, clean it up, take more pictures, then carry on with their silly little rally, and forever after use the before and after pictures to show "who's civilised".

    Someone should school these people about what happens when descending to the idiot's level when arguing with idiots.

    Hint: You look like a bigger idiot because the idiot will beat you with experience.

  23. handleoclast Silver badge

    White dog egg

    Contrary to what is stated in the article, it is not ageing that turns dog eggs white.

    There are some exotic medical conditions that can result in the white stuff, but the most usual reason for it is a diet rich in calcium. Which is what happens when dogs are given bones to gnaw on.

    So the reason you don't see so many white dog eggs these days is that most dog owners feed their dogs canned food or dried biscuity things rather than giving them bones to gnaw on.

    Incidentally, am I the only one who views EDF's "Zingy" mascot as being composed of one dog egg laid on top of another dog egg, with the upper egg being artfully crimped off by the dog's arse?

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Another left wing tantrum. The next day they'll smugly go back to their rich parents and leave the poorly paid city workers to clear up the mess. Nice. Maximum entitlement reached.

  25. small and stupid

    Alt-right is a stupid term

    What the fuck is the alt-right? I see a spectrum with old fashioned neo-nazis at one end and 4-chan troll wankers at the other. What I don't see is a single new idea.

    1. Mycho Silver badge

      Re: Alt-right is a stupid term

      Alt-right is just another attempt to pretend that the left-right scale actually stood for something.

      Like the emperor with no clothes on, people can't admit that they were fooled by such a pathetic attempt to map out political differences using only one variable, so they continue to bend it, often literally, to fit the reality it fails to describe. They are mostly afraid that if they point out it doesn't work then people will think they're stupid.

  26. Unclezip

    Next time check your calendar

    And when it was all over and done, SF morons were punked when the prayer meeting was canceled, leaving them in a pile of shit.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Didn't happen.

    By some strange co-incidence I was there today, turned out that law enforcement concerned this would escalate as so tragically recently elsewhere stopped the whole thing, but am I the only one to see the irony in the liberals effectively denying their (however misguided country-folk) their first amendment rights? There was one news channel OB team and briefly a hovering news chopper there on a wasted mission.

    BTW, I was amazed that in this so-called bastion of freedom there was always someone prepared to shutdown others doing their thing. Not quite what I expected...

  28. egreen99

    Apparently it worked.

    The white supremacists have canceled their protest. Apparently the thought of wading through ankle-deep dog poop spooked them. Good. Now we can clean up all the dog poop without worrying about any left-over walking poop from the white supremacist's rally.

    1. h4rm0ny

      Re: Apparently it worked.

      Except they weren't White Supremacists. They were a prayer group wanting to preserve Free Speech. Threats shut down a legitimate gathering.

  29. MissionCreep

    Summer of Love - Doggie Style

    Summer of Love, 50 years on - Doggie Style

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You dont get

    white dog shit in the uk anyway because they removed the ground bone from dog food years ago.

  31. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    1930s Italy and 2010s USA

    In the 1930s in Italy, if one spoke out against the government, black shirted men would visit to have a discussion. The purpose of the discussion was to point out the errors in one's thought. Part of this discussion involved the person in error consuming a large quantity of cod liver oil and experiencing the laxative effects before being dumped in the middle of the town.

    So it is not the first time that fascist have used faeces against their political opponents.

  32. herman Silver badge

    Freedom of speech to the left only

    It is interesting how strongly the American Liberals believe that they have a holy right to freedom of speech, rioting and property destruction. This kind of civil disobedience censorship is a slippery slope.

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