I guess the days of "Oops.... the secretary accidentally deleted all those files." are gone? Oh wait.. that was the Nixon Whitehouse.
The US Department of Justice has eased up in its legal fight against hosting company DreamHost, saying it no longer wants all IP logs associated with a Trump protest site. Following a hearing earlier this week in which DreamHost argued that the expansive request for information related to the disruptj20.org site was too broad …
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 19:09 GMT Steve Davies 3
Re: Oops... those files are gone
The Dear leader keeps on telling the world the Hillary is a criminal and should be locked up for the rest of her life for deleting emails.
Based upon the record of the current administration they won't let up on this quest to get the dirty on everyone concerned.
IF you visited that site then I might want to get a lawyer on speeddial.
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 19:44 GMT Suricou Raven
Re: Oops... those files are gone
Yet Trump has made no effort at prosecution, even though it was a major theme of his campaign.
Perhaps his lawyers have explained that if he tries, at best she will be found innocent, and at worst has fellow Republicans will be terrified of bring next up, given how rampant off-the-records dealing is by both parties.
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 18:55 GMT J 3
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 19:26 GMT Anonymous Coward
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 19:47 GMT Rich 11
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 20:11 GMT Anonymous Coward
I give up. I really do but before I do I'll leave this here,
You disagree with group A, group A does things you don't like and says things you don't like. They sometimes break the law.
You belong to group b, group b protests against group A, they aren't as extreme to be fair but they have still broken the law.
You are happy for the government to use law to expose group A. Group B should be exempt from this because they are on "The good side" and "what the majority believes to be right"
Good luck with that because once you go down that road there is no coming back. You either protect everyone or no-one. There is no in between or half way house because then someone has to determine who is good and who is bad. Clearly with this it's straight forward, the nazis are c*nts but that's not always going to be the case.
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 23:15 GMT Boohoo4u
When it's protesters vs. counter protesters:
I'm going to be on the side that didn't bring baseball bats.
It's fine to protest, but bringing a bat makes it a riot. At that point, it doesn't matter who you consider "right" but who is there to do physical violence against another person, or property.
With regards to the article: I have a hard time believing that the DoJ didn't know exactly what they were requesting. They made a weasel move, and got called out on it.
The protest organizers likely exceeded their "right to protest" and was intentionally disruptive. So, I don't have a problem with the information request (warrant). But I do wonder if it's worth the bother, since as far as I can tell, it wasn't violent.
Thursday 24th August 2017 00:16 GMT veti
Sadly, the "weasel move" was to demand the data, then back off only when the demand was made private. They haven't been called out on that at all.
Sure, they're not getting the data - but they never really wanted it. After all, what could they actually do with it?
But by demanding it and, crucially, waiting for Dreamhost to go public before they moderated the demand - they've already had the "chilling effect" they wanted. Now, every American will be that tiny bit more - thoughtful about what links they click on and what websites they visit. And criticism of the Dear Leader just got that little bit harder.
Thursday 24th August 2017 11:35 GMT Robert Helpmann??
...There is no in between or half way house because then someone has to determine who is good and who is bad...
There are a number of simple logical fallacies in your arguments. First, saying both groups have broken a law makes them equivalent is simply wrong. Under such logic, jaywalking and mass murder have the same standing. This is neither the way the law actually works nor the way society as a whole views things. However this is exactly the position put forth in many political "discussions". Points off for False Equivalence.
Framing rights in absolute terms is likewise incorrect. Under legal frameworks of which I am aware, there are limits to rights. This is particularly evident in which the exercise of rights by different groups brings them into conflict.
Likewise, it is possible to frame laws in such a way as to be applied to everyone in the same manner and yet discriminate against a class. This may be done for the benefit of society (preventing access to weapons on the part of known violent offenders) or to its detriment (implementing a poll tax in order to vote). While you touch on this concept, your statements fall down on the implications.
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 19:07 GMT TheElder
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 19:27 GMT Anonymous Coward
Give them space, give them love.
I think we can all agree that once more, Trump and the US Government are trying to do the right thing. So come on folks, give them a break, and give Donald and Melania the space to make America great again. I'm a church-going Christian and I know goodness when I see it.
I know sometimes votes don't always go the way you want. There are some people who are a bit peeved about Brexit - although we're all God's children, despite borders - and some people who are a little bit miffed over Trump. But I think it's a bit like when you lose a favourite pair of socks. You can be sure they'll turn up in the darnedest of places! Or you can buy some more socks. Or wear sandals.
So when you're about to get unhappy and angry - and I think TheElder, this is advice that will do you well - just give yourself a little hug or a pat on the back, or whistle your favourite hymn. Because, you should always look on the bright side of life.
So when you've finished reading my words, can you find it in your heart to take five minutes of time and say 'God Bless America! God Bless Trump! God Bless Melania! God Bless Jared! God bless Ivanka! God bless her clothing. And his hair. Amen'.
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 19:51 GMT Rich 11
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 20:17 GMT Anonymous Coward
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 20:59 GMT Anonymous Coward
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 21:45 GMT Someone Else
@AC -- Re: Give them space, give them love.
I think we can all agree that once more, Trump and the US Government are trying to do the right thing. So come on folks, give them a break, and give Donald and Melania [sic] the space to make America great again. I'm a church-going Christian and I know goodness when I see it.
Congratulations! You managed to peg both the sarcasm and bullshit meters at the same time.
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 19:33 GMT Anonymous Coward
Let Dreamhost do the filtering
Presumably the DoJ will first filter the logs to exclude folks lawfully exercising their democratic rights. So they could give Dreamhost (and the public) the filter parameters and ask them to supply only the data which meets their criteria for unlawful conduct.
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 20:12 GMT Anonymous Coward
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 23:01 GMT FSM
Isn't this all a huge smokescreen?
Who is in any doubt as to whether the authorities already have logs of internet traffic, especially HTTP(S) IPs/domains visited?
Of all the things we know the NSA is capable of, this sounds rather primitive. I'm certain I've read that this level of information has been required to be collected by ISPs in the UK for many years.
Thursday 24th August 2017 00:22 GMT veti
Re: Isn't this all a huge smokescreen?
Quite possibly the NSA could provide that information - but catch them sharing it with the DoJ, particularly on a pretext like this...
You seem to be forgetting that the intelligence community as a whole despises Trump. They would call the DoJ out on its bullshit request in a heartbeat, if it were addressed to them.
And what's worse, it wouldn't be made public. Which means we'd all miss out on the not-so-subtly-coded warning in this story: "careful what sites you visit".
Wednesday 23rd August 2017 23:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
Thursday 24th August 2017 00:45 GMT TheElder
It's about time
Thursday 24th August 2017 04:05 GMT TheElder
Why the Trump (words I will not say)
1: There is genetic evidence he has real brain pathology
2: It isn't just about racism. That is just part of it. He show no capability to do anything that makes sense. No trace of logic. The downvoters are clearly just surfers, not programmers. Or maybe they constantly crash.
3: He specializes in causing harm to as many people as possible.
4: He is a corrupt as they get.
Here is a good example:
US Probes Corruption in Big Pharmaceuticals
In the history of mankind, no greater crime has ever been committed than the genocide organized by the pharmaceutical drug cartel in the interests of the multi-billion dollar investment business with disease.
1863: Foundation of Bayer and Hoechst – the Origin of the Pharmaceutical Drug Cartel
1913: The World's Richest Man Invests into Pharmaceutical Drug Cartel
1918: "Spanish Flu" Fears Boost Drug Sales
1925: German Drug Companies Get Ready for World Domination
1929: American-German Pact Divides the World into Interest Zones
1930s: Suppression of Life-Saving Information by the Drug Cartel
1933: Hitler's Rise to Power and the German Enabling Laws
1940: Drug Cartel's Zyklon B Gas as an Element in Planned Genocide
1941: Drug Cartel's Role in Medical Experiments Conducted in German Concentration Camps
1942: The Wannsee Conference – Eradication of Jews Planned
1945: U.S.-"Report on the Investigation of I.G. Farben Industry AG" Published
1947: The Nuremberg Tribunal Against I.G. Farben
1951: Reorganization of the Drug Cartel After World War II
1954: Bilderberg Group Founded
1963: Codex Alimentarius Commission Founded
1973: Trilateral Commission Founded
1974: The Kissinger Report on "Population Growth"
1983: Drug Cartel's Own Chancellor Helmut Kohl Elected in Germany
1996: Frits Bolkestein and the Drug Cartel's Influence on the EU Commission
1997: Corporate Interests Plan "New American Century"
1999: Drug Cartel Sentenced for Establishing a Vitamin Cartel
2000: The Bush Administration and Its Corporate Connections
2001: The Baycol/Lipobay Scandal and the Aftermath of the 9/11 Events
2002: The Department of Homeland Security and Its Historical Example
2003: Spreading Fears with SARS and the Background for the Iraq War
2004: The Vioxx Scandal
2006: Spreading Fears with Bird Flu
2007: The Election of Nicolas Sarkozy in France and the Unveiling of Nuremberg Tribunal Documents
2008: Planned Coup of the Cartel Against the President-elect Obama and the Movement of Change
Thursday 24th August 2017 07:56 GMT veti
Re: Why the Trump (words I will not say)
1. There may be "genetic evidence", but you give no references and I seriously doubt you're privy to it - if anyone is.
2. Trump isn't (particularly) racist. He despises everyone equally. Racism is merely a wedge issue that's useful because it gets angry crowds out onto the streets, and that image fuels fear and builds support for a "strong" (= unaccountable) leader.
3. See (2). You're confusing means with ends. He doesn't want to cause harm - that's incidental. He really couldn't give a monkey's how many people suffer - any number between zero and seven billion, it's all the same to him. "The benefit of controlling a modern state is not the power to persecute the innocent, it's the power to protect the guilty."
4. Is there anyone, even among his supporters, who doesn't know that?
Thursday 24th August 2017 08:19 GMT TheElder
On the below link drop down to page 1111. On that page look at section "D". In that chart of correlations with intelligence look at the top correlation with Alzheimer's. Trumps father had Alzheimer's. Look at the list of correlation negatives for mental health and intelligence. It is a very close match.
As for harm, he has stated he intends to cancel NAFTA. That will harm most people in North America. Then there is all the shit he is dumping on people in the medical system. That includes my mother.
Thursday 24th August 2017 13:51 GMT TheElder
He despises everyone equally.
Apparently not the women he assaults. One should also be concerned about his fascination with women's blood. It is also interesting to speculate why he often wears a blood red tie that reaches his crotch.
Then there is the basic fact that he is a pathological LIAR.
Times he has simply told a falsity = 146 since Aug 23
Pants on fire = 69 Obviously he likes doing the 69. The only question there is gender.
Based on the fact that he says some very odd things on the birdshit forum one must wonder what drugs he is taking.
Then there is the tiny issue of destroying national security.
The list is much longer.
Thursday 24th August 2017 07:08 GMT Anonymous Coward
Thursday 24th August 2017 16:15 GMT Anonymous Coward