Will it fit on a shark?
Or ill-tempered sea bass?
The US Navy is not bolting its new electromagnetic railgun to any of its warships in the coming year, a move sure to disappoint those who rejoice at innovative methods of blowing stuff up. The naval service's budget for fiscal year 2018 contained no funding requests for putting the USN's electromagnetic railgun (EMRG) on a …
We were going to have EMRG on our new carriers. Unfortunately the cuts have ensued that the only way we can generate enough power to fire one round will be to add two 300m wind turbines to the back of the HM QE class carriers.
I understand that our erstwhile Defence Secretary Fallon has approached every naval officer and requested that, in accordance with other proposed UK social laws, they hand over their parent's houses in order to pay for the EMRG project.
"enabling an explosive charge on the rear of the projectile to be carried deep into the vulnerable heart of an enemy ship, tank or bunker"
That's some serious dynamics, putting an HE charge at the back of a LRP travelling at 1500ms^-1 or faster. Methinks a tad too enthusiastical reporting.
I think the LRP traveling at that speed would do so much damage on its own, an explosive tip (or explosive ass in this case, I guess) is superfluous. There will be a lot of shrapnel from the armor plating and various walls/decks it penetrates on its way to the vulnerable heart of an enemy ship, plus some from the projectile itself as it hits all that stuff and fragments.
The word you are looking for re: "all that stuff and fragments" is spall. On American tanks they issue vests to protect us. I never was really sure I wanted to test it for real, but 'They' said it would work (I actually think 'They' said "It's better than nothing", but I wasn't at that meeting) in the event of a tank fight.
If you can fit a terminal guidance system into an artillery shell that can survive being fired, an explosive charge in a railgun projectile should be easier.
(I know the railgun accelerates harder, about 30,000G by my guess, vs 15,000G for the artillery shell, but the guided shells have moving parts, whereas an explosive device could be solid state. That said, it turns out the US Navy want GPS guided railgun rounds, so that'll be an interesting challenge).
You could do but there are a couple of significant points:
LRP's are long and thin, for several reasons - reducing air resistance; reducing cross sectional area on target whilst having a lot of momentum; when they hit an armoured target they do not burst through like a WW2 tank gun shot - they ablate at the tip whilst burning / evaporating / distorting / melting the armour hit. This actually causes the penetrator to shorten as it ablates.
Any high explosive content would be an extremely small amount of explosive as the need for thick walls in the HE containing portion of the rod to prevent distortion under G forces multiple times higher than the launch conditions. Acceleration occurs in a barrel multi meters long, deceleration over a few centimetres as the rod hits an immobile target.
With a normal shell it is much fatter, hits the target at a much slower velocity, and either bursts on impact or in the air. If it is an armour piercing weapon then it may use the Monroe effect or have a very thick case and high mass to penetrate. (See for example the GBU-28).
Finally - should an LRP penetrate armour the subsequent ingress of very high velocity liquid and vaporised metals along with the LRP itself cause more than sufficient damage to the target.
So you could in theory, and in practice, add an explosive back end but this would be a small volume, hugely expensive and not effective.
The patent linked to by the article http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5275109 makes no mention of an explosive element in any design of long rod penetrator - either prior art or the patented improved version.
The patent states: "The penetrating capability and effectiveness of the projectile depends fundamentally on its kinetic energy." and goes into a lot of detail about how the big problem is making something with appropriate mechanical strength: apparently, the two main trade off points are between "hardness needed for penetration and ductility needed for maintaining structural integrity" bearing in mind that if the LRP's too heavy, the gun's going to suffer excessively.
I'd guess that a long rod penetrator with an HE back end would perform worse than a purely KE design.
Also, the original article states:
"The resulting kinetic energy causes devastating damage once it hits something, particularly compared with current explosives-based propellant technology."
Umm... Existing kinetic energy penetrators are pretty devastating, you know - I've just looked up a few things on Wikipedia (yes yes I know, but...) and apparently the cancelled "Compact Kinetic Energy Missile" which is stated to have reached Mach 6.5+ (relatively close to the railgun's supposed Mach 7) delivered a penetrator with 10 MJ of energy, claimed to be "about the same as with 120 mm L/44 APFSDS munition" - i.e., this railgun's KE penetrator's speed is entirely comparable with current explosive-based propellant technology, which itself is similar to what's been achieved using rocket power.
The railgun is only going to be much more devastating if it can fire a much heavier projectile - can it?
A perennial problem with any form of gun, and seemingly more significant as size of the projectile increases. If you're just lobbing lots of shells in the general direction and hoping a few hit (WW2 style) the barrel wear isn't significant. If you're hoping for accuracy then even the RN Kryten will wear its barrel out after about what, 200 rounds, which it could in theory deliver in about eight minutes of max rate shooting.
With a rail gun (or any hypersonic gun) you'll never get high fire rates due to heat and wear issues, so accuracy is vital....and the whole idea starts to unravel once you need more than a six shot wonder.
The going-up-the-mountain launcher was a coilgun IIRC, not a rail gun. Big difference. A coilgun is technically similar to a maglev train, using sequential magnetic fields to accelerate a vehicle. A railgun pushes huge doses of current through the projectile (actually a sabot that carries the projectile. Railguns can accelerate much faster. A coilgun/maglev in an evacuated tube (see also Hyperloop), going about 45 degrees upslope to above 20,000 feet and about 100 km long could replace most or all of the first stage of a launcher.
The biggest issues, beyond the sheer building of the machine, are the sudden insertion into atmosphere (albeit less than 50%) when the thin plastic barrier at the top is breached at Mach something, and the survival of the vehicle in hypervelocity travel through the remains of the atmosphere. But it is probably doable, and if/when space launches become more than a daily occurrence, the economics might start to look pretty good.
Another issue - such a thing can only launch into one orbital plane, and it takes significant energy to change inclination.
I've always wondered if they could avoid the whole wear issue by using superconducting magnets so the projectile never actually touches the "barrel". A weapon that destroys itself after a few shots, or even a few dozen shots, isn't much good for anyone but the defense contractor!
I think you are thinking of coilguns, which use magnetic fields to accelerate - like maglev trains and the Hyperloop. A railgun uses huge current going across the sabot that carries the projectile. Even just using the magnets to keep the pieces separated, I suspect that the current density is so high that it would quench any known superconductor.
AFAIK the projectile doesn't touch the sides of the barrel with current generation railguns. The warping and erosion is caused by the high energy plasma that is generated as the round transits the EM field that is accelerating it.
All the test firing sequence videos I've seen for early prototype linear mass accelerators has shown the accelerated object leaving the device amid a huge fireball.
Barrel wear or the equivalent will be a problem. The question is how many shots can be fired before replacing the barrel couple with how easy is to replace the barrel. Note many modern machine guns have a field replaceable barrel that takes may be a minute to change. So if the barrel can be swapped at sea reasonably quickly by the crew it might not be take big an issue. You would consider the barrel a part of your normal supplies and make sure the ship has a couple of spares.
Note barrel wear has been a problem for all rifled guns to some degree. The WWI Paris Gun had severe problems with barrel wear. If I remember correctly each round was slightly larger than the previous round and they had to be fired in the correct order to even hit Paris.
"The US Navy is not bolting its new electromagnetic railgun to any of its warships in the coming year"
Nope, not gonna happen. So all you Decepticons are safe. We promise. Especially around Egyptian pyramids.
No, I don't know why any mention of railguns on naval vessels makes me think of that movie.
The last paragraph of the article seems to equate the two, but I don't think they are remotely comparable - other than both potentially being able to shoot down incoming missiles. A laser never runs out of "ammo", while a railgun isn't much good when you run out of rods (or sooner, if the barrel wears out)
On the other hand, a laser can't hope to penetrate armor (unless they get a few orders of magnitude more power) while a working railgun would make armor on a ship or a tank within range of a ship effectively useless.
"a railgun isn't much good when you run out of rods"
True, but if you're not having to carry round 3-4 bags of cordite per shell (of about the same size) then you can fit a lot more of them onboard - and one of the bigger problems with needing the cordite is what happens when something coming the other way gets into your powder magazine.
But when you need an extra barrel for every 4 shells, the mass savings are not exactly positive any more.
Where you save is in the supposedly vastly better accuracy and penetration power - if it takes 1-2 shots to take out a ship, rather than say, the 20 or so* you would have to fire to reliably take out an enemy ship in WWII era (*estimate off the top of my head, thinking about ranging shots, misses, non-penetrations etc) then you do need less.
"Unless you hit it with something of greater mass, it's still going to hit you."
1: It can be deflected
2: At mach 8, if you damage the skin, air friction will do the rest.
3: If it breaks up, you have a lot of smaller impacts, which the armour can handle.
Well if you are doing M3 (typical military small calibre bullet) then the closing speed is M11. And neither cares which was going the faster; it's still an M11 collision. About 3.7 kilometres per second at sea level.
(OK - given 1/2 mv^2 one side has much more initial KE but that means it just has more to expend on the other - again a simplification but the released energy plus a serious shock wave is going to make any fuse, gain, boom system on the missile not only problematical but also somewhat superfluous.)
Minor physics question for you:
What is the magnitude of the differnce between:
1) two identical cars each travelling at 30kmph in a head on collision
2) one of the above cars colliding with a cliff wall
(the answer is probably smaller than you might think)
In scenario 1 you have two wrecked cars, in scenario 2 you only have one wrecked car (and a couple of shards of broken rock).
However, if you are talking about the impact on just the one car then theoretically it would be the same. I'm not sure why it would be smaller than I think?
There is an article today on meteors. Its worth drawing a parallel here: some meteors are shaped such that they will hit the earth, while similar sized ones explode in the atmosphere. Even a metal meteor can self destruct if it spins fast enough which it will if its the right shape. A supersonic missile hit that is hit by a bullet is probably the right shape to spin itself to bits - assuming you have someone in between the firer and the target to try and do this. Firing a bullet from the target is probably just going to achieve a bright flash before it hits.
>>> Serious military-grade lasers work on large quantities of chemical fuel, and they do run out of ammo.
The military used to have lasers that used a reacting chemical as the laser medium. They've switched to solid lasers pumped by laser diodes. The diodes burn more than half the power, BTW.
>>> It has enough kinetic energy to punch through one side of the ship and out the other side
Yes, but high speed collisions spend some of that energy destroying the impactor. Which is why the talk of long rods - they leave a deeper crater.
"A weapon that destroys itself after a few shots, or even a few dozen shots, isn't much good for anyone but the defense contractor!"
But it's the defence contractors who schmooze politicians, hiring expensive lobbyists, making huge "campaign contributions", funding "fact finding" junkets, helping to provide pre-written pieces of legislation, spreading the work over as many regions as possible so that every political reptile can claim to be bringing money and jobs to its constituency and, most importantly, making quiet promises about lovely well-paid seats on the board for the future, a few days a month of no work to bring in six or seven figures a year after the aforementioned reptile is ejected by the voters. (The most egregious current example is undoubtedly the F-35 disaster, for the US excels at this level of corruption and dysfunction, but Blighty isn't far behind: the QE carrier procurement has been an unadulterated fiasco too.)
So although we may say that this or that patently absurd acquisition is good for no one except the contractor, that has, in point of fact, become the key thing: because once you've allowed the money to buy the politicians (hardly a challenge these days), the decisions *will* be about what's good for the contractor, not the country.
I sometimes moan that UK defence procurement has been so dysfunctional since the 1950s that it might as well have been run from the Kremlin, but that's probably imputing too much competence to the KGB. It's more likely a combination of the blind greed of contractors and blundering incompetence by politicians. Neither would be cause for surprise, right?
Bae is still "british" ?
Me,I would much rather have a pair of long barrel German 88mm guns,so much cheaper,ammo much cheaper,much higher fire rate,wear rates much lower,can be used against anything,surface or air,doesn't need a power station to run etc etc etc..
Sabot rounds can have very high velocity,not as quick as em's but do we realy need ultra high velocity ?
All we will see if em's start to be used is the same race as has happened with MBT defence systems,but for ships instead,at least with a power station on board,plasma defence is easy !!
And said power station can run some huge pumps for water curtains,which are a bit fiddly to organise for a 70 ton MBT in most areas,simple at sea.
Not much can get through multiple inch thick layers of water spaced apart,they may not totally stop a projectile,but the amount of kinetic energy it will deliver is massively reduced,enough that "normal" armour systems can cope..
KISS works pretty well,just keep throwing more metall at target or in air for defence.
How many auto 20/30mm cannon pods do some ships carry now ?
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