Welcome back Nokia.
Perhaps Psion will now get it's act together? ;-)
Nokia held its long-anticipated phone comeback in Barcelona’s Museum of Contemporary Art – while treating us to an archaeological virtual tour through Nokia’s own ancient history. This was a full frontal assault by Nokia: the HMD venture, which has a 10-year licence to use Nokia’s brand on phones, isn’t just some remote …
"[Psion] is just a name on a piece of paper in a Motorola [..] filing cabinet now."
Yeah, I doubt there's much prospect of them releasing a sequel to Flight Simulation on the ZX81. ;-) I remember "hacking" the BASIC listing to include "amusing" reasons for why you crashed (or just messing around randomly with various bits I didn't understand).
As for the new 3310... er, yeah.
Or rather... nope. It looks more like some no-name Chinese company made a cheap knockoff of the 3310 case in a lazy and unconvincing attempt to exploit nostalgia, but had to compromise the appearance in order to make the case fit the modern, generic, dirt-cheap feature phone hardware it was actually based on.
Which I suspect is what happened anyway, the only difference being an official seal of approval. This is even more pointless than I anticipated on Friday- as I said then, you can either faithfully mimic the design and appearance of the original 3310, or you can modernise it, in which case it's not going to look like a 3310, so why bother?
The unconvincingly updated appearance reminds me of the late-1990s "New Beetle" in that it's obvious what it's meant to be modelled after, and shares some memory-triggering design cues from its predecessor, but relies on people not having seen- or used- the original for some time and not noticing (or at least caring) that there are more fundamental differences in the shape and layout when you see them side by side.
If most people think this is nitpicking and that this model's "feature phone" design is close enough to the original... then I think that proves my point. Of course it's closer to the original 3310 than a smartphone, but you could say that about almost *any* generic, dirt-cheap feature phone from the late-noughties to the present day (which is what the icon interface reminds me of, to be honest).
The one thing they could- and should- have updated without needing to compromise the design is the one thing they didn't. I mean, 2G only- seriously? In this day and age? I've got a cheap mobile-equipped tablet that includes "4G" LTE, FFS! If they're going to charge £40 for a phone that's comparable to those selling for half the price, the least I'd expect would be 3G.
Why bother if they're not going to accurately reproduce the original, at least superficially? Well, because it got them into the news with a bunch of "Nokia's back" publicity, and gave journalists an excuse to write nostalgia pieces about the 3310, regardless of whether the new "3310" is as convincing as the silver-faced Marilyn Monroe robot in Red Dwarf.
Why they never adopted Android in the first place and went with Elop & Co to rape the company and staff.
A wasted decade, when the writing was on the wall with Nokia N95 being the last good one, and N97 (a disater with Symbian). I would still buy a Lenovo or Motorola, since they have an established ecosystem in place.
And why would anyone by a 3310? They should give it away when buying the Androids, or maybe with a Multibuy cornflakes packs. People have wisened up to smartphones and 3310 will just be a talking point. 2 days battery life versus 28 days earlier. And 2G ?Who would want that? And to what tangible benefits. If they want a spare backup phone, theres enough of Nokia 100 or Acatels around for under a tenner.
"Can you imagine talking to Morpheus on a phablet?"
^^^ That. Or a BT headset that looks like a metal beetle with an LED has nested in your ear cavity.
"the Ballmer acquisition, and the Nadella bloodbath."
Be fair! It should read; "the Ballmer's giant fuck-up, and the Nadella quick repair kit."
It says standby up to a month and 22 hours talk time, plus replaceable battery. It does look worth having as the glovebox emergency phone, I can retire the Palm Pre 2 that currently does the job.
Also the 6 seems to have a low power Qualcomm 430 and a promise of regular updates - which may mean they are hoping to get a share of the corporate market. Adequate performance for work, much cheaper than TCLBerry.
"... the glovebox emergency phone, ..."
My experience of having a 'glovebox emergency phone' on a PAYG card is that the carrier (Vodafone) cut it off after 4 months of not being used. I asked them what happened and they said it was 'for security reasons' and they suggested that I call my own home land line every month, "just to make a connection with a couple of rings", then it would be fine.
This was about five years ago and I don't know if the carriers are still as stupid.
I asked them what happened and they said it was 'for security reasons'
Bollocks. They have (if memory serves me right) Amdocs maintain their backend systems on an outsourcing contract and the payment terms are per luser. So if a luser is permanently inactive and not generating any revenue they want to get rid of it.
Your only choice of glovebox phone in Europe is Hutchinson - Three in the UK and O2 in most other countries. They still run the billing themselves. That, however, precludes you from using an old 2G only phone as they insist on the phone being 3G capable.
This was about five years ago and I don't know if the carriers are still as stupid.
The carriers (including Three) will disconnect phones if not used for some months. Basically, will all of them you need to use the phone once every 2~3 months.
The advantage of Three and a couple of others (eg. Asda mobile) is that your credit doesn't expire. Thus with a Three PAYG you can put £10 on it and as long as you send one text (2p) or make a call (3p) every few months the phone SIM will remain live; your only issue is remembering to keep the phone's battery reasonably charged...
"My experience of having a 'glovebox emergency phone' on a PAYG card is that the carrier (Vodafone) cut it off after 4 months of not being used."
What's the legal position with respect to making calls to actual emergency services (i.e. 999 at least, I'd assume)?
It's supposed to be the case that phones are required to be able to make calls without credit- and even without a valid SIM. (For example, my 4G-enabled Android tablet displays "Emergency Calls Only" when either the credit is out or there's no SIM in it at all).
However, it's not clear whether the networks are legally required to *accept* calls from unidentified devices (i.e. those without SIMs), thus I'm not sure whether the handling might differ depending upon whether you have a SIM with no credit or no SIM at all. Anyone else know better?
For obvious reasons, I haven't actually *tried* dialling 999 in either case to test it...!
(Of course, I understand that in real life most people would want an "emergency phone" that can dial more than just 999 anyway.)
"Why they never adopted Android in the first place"
Because if they did they'd be where everyone not called Samsung is now - with less than 1% market share, and looking exactly like everyone else.
At least with Windows they had a chance. Pity it didn't work out though but it was a differentiator
To be fair, if Microsoft hadn't taken the actually pretty good WP7 and then decided to start from scratch with a new incompatible version not once, but twice, they might actually have got some people to buy them.
I'm fearing the day my Lumia 930 dies. There's nothing new out there today that's as good*.
(* Disagree? Give me suggestions - I'm looking for a replacement and can't find any I like)
WP7 was doomed anyway due to its own old technology - WP8 had better chances, but it was too late - and it wasn't helped by Windows 8 trying to enforce tiles on desktop users. Not it was helped by Nadella vindictive approach to management. His WP10 is an OS with inherent personality issues, an OS in search of devices to run on, and will slurp your data just like Android does - all losing points against Android.
I would not buy a 3310. Now a redesigned E71 or E72 running a reasonably up-to-date version of Android properly customized for a qwerty keyboard... I will be tempted.
The hardware was bombproof, the usability of the original was phenomenal. I used it for several years including two 5000km summer road trips using Nokia maps. It just worked. Sure, the UI and software was hideous, but it just worked.
So, actually, the last great Symbian phone was not the N95, it was the E71. The 95 was not bad either - it survived a few years of SWMBO usage and then a year of use by junior until he dropped it on the school lawn and the contractor's lawnmower terminated it. It was not nearly as good as the E71 though.
Because they got MS to pay them billions for a phone division, managers, staff and factories that were going to be worthless. MS didn't get the name or a scrap of IP and now has nothing to show for it.
Their main business is Infrastructure. This consumer stuff is a sideline.
Other than some nostalgic styling I see nothing interesting about the new 3310. As the article says it's basically the exact same entry-level feature phone that Nokia have never stopped making.
I'd actually been hoping (but really not expecting) that they'd take the opportunity to actually make a good feature phone again. For years they've been inferior to older models (3G and >2mp cameras used to exist on feature phones, but not anymore). If they'd instead done a phone with modern capabilities (4G, Wifi, decent camera, high DPI (but still small) screen, etc) but with buttons and an S40 style interface I may have actually been interested (though I'll accept I'm probably in a minority).
I use a Nokia 808 and have done for years. I love its 42MP camera which despite its age, still beats any camera on any smartphone. I don't need a 1001 apps.
Based on the circulating rumours I was expecting an announcement of a high end Nokia 8 or 9.
I am therefore, underwhelmed and disappointed.
(Or maybe Nokia / HMD are having another "just one more thing" moment later in the week...?)
the new 3310 is 2G-only: GSM 900/1800 MHz
not even 3G / 4G LTE voice-only ... i'm disappointed. i loved the form and functions of the old phone but i didn't care about the GSM-only aspect of it. If it had voice 3G / LTE/ VoLTE support it would have been a huge come-back... but GSM-only? *facepalm*
The mobile networks have evolved since ... my current cell phone provider here doesn't even use 2G/GSM anymore, minimum support that they offer is 3G and they also have 4G on 2100 and 2600 MHz
Nokia basically re-introduced the buggy whip in an age when people are using autonomous cars :(
It is a minimum requirement that phones today at least support 3G, since many mobile networks are going 3G only and soon only 4G. It is possible to make a 4G VoLTE only phone without a browser or anything else. A range of frequency bands would be required, resulting in a slight more drain on the battery.
I have two Nokia 301.1 feature phones and they have both GSM 850/900/1800/1900 and 3G 900/2100 (not U.S compatible, but I'm not going there anyway so it does not matter). The minimum requirement have changed since 2000 and feature phone makers have to upgrade their minimum requirement for those phones.
re: as older readers may recall, landline phones didn't have displays
Mobile phone with a dial, now that would be something!
Thinking about it, you couldn't dial in a hurry - dialling 999 took time and as for international numbers, so giving you time to catch your breathe and compose yourself...
But actually with Siri et al. you could have a phone without screen or keypad - a bit like a mic with a loudspeaker attached. From research done a while back, I suspect it would be a flop - reason? just shove a mic into someone's face and ask them to speak...
"Mobile phone with a dial, now that would be something!"
Disregarding one-off artisan (gag!) fake retro contrivances only an insufferable hipster would use for real, there still exists this device. I'm not sure whether it counts as a "mobile phone" in the modern sense, but it definitely has a dial.
Probably doesn't have 4G though. Nor 3G, 2G or 1G.
I want a 3310 if they do a green one either factory or by changing the cover. I've been looking for a vibrant green Nokia basicphone for a few years (it's a personal thing) but often the ones that come up 2nd hand on ebay are more expensive than this new one.
My company phone is a ZTE F320, and it's absolute carp. The irony is they switched from Nokia to save cash (the Nokia was ~£20, the ZTE is ~£10), but my previous Nokia lasted 9 years and I am on my 4th ZTE in as many years, all replacements purchased new.
Already got an android for my own stuff but at work I don't want data, I don't want 3G, or dual SIM, just something to make and receive calls that I can turn off when I don't need it and keep work & private lives separate.
Good to see they are still quoting ludicrous standby and talk times though. Has anybody ever achieved the quoted times for any phone ever made? I mean in normal use, so not disabling 2G wifi bluetooth etc. 15 years ago they were saying 15 days standby time and although they were better than smartphones and I regularly got 5 days if I didn't use it, I have never managed to go 15 days between charging on any device.
Just give me a 6310i.
Well, no need for me, since I already have two of them. One is absolutely pristine, the other smashed to bits, but still works. Refuses to die.
A 6310i with, say, a calendar, outlook sync, an SD card slot and a headphone socket for MP3s.
I think I'd be very happy with that - not having a browser wouldn't bother me. Bring back WAP that's what I say!
Best avoided in my experience. I ordered one on the basis on the Reg review. Despite their website specifically saying the parcel fits letterboxes, their courier failed to deliver, ignored my alternative delivery options (three neighbours and a hedge as a standby) and returned it to a warehouse in the middle of nowhere. By the time I'd arranged time off work and blagged a lift from a mate, they'd returned it to WF. Cue a few weeks of increasingly angry emails asking for my phone or refund, all of which were compeltely ignored.
In my book there's a word for those sort of business practices, but in deference to libel laws I'll leave it to you, dear reader, to think of one. Suffice to say I strongly advise avoiding WileyFox like the plague.
I ended up with a Motorola G4, which was even cheaper than the WF - £130 - and is great. The only thing I've missed is an internal compass, without which FlightRadar24's "point phone at plane, get data readout" feature doesn't work. Why anyone pays £800 for a phone beats me.
who preferred the key layout of the 3210...?
Saying that, the 3310 I had did last longer than my 3210 did before it broke. I'm therefore considering getting the new 3310 to use alongside my android phone, because I'm fed up with having a lousy 2 day battery life when I don't have any apps running. Put simply, 99% of the time, I don't need a smartphone.
I always thought the 3210 was better-looking than the 3310. I also don't get why the 3310 seems to be the one targeted for nostalgia. The 3210 was the first mobile that was both good-looking (no aerial) yet still affordable enough to become a hit with the younger end of the market (i.e. teens, students, young professionals) it was aimed at. The 3310 sold to much the same market, but was obviously more of a follow-on.
FWIW, I'd have thought the popularity might have been because the 3310 outsold the 3210, but according to Wikipedia, the latter sold 160m to the former's 126m.
All that said, wasn't the key layout and user interface of the 3320 very similar to that of the 3310 anyway? The only differences I can see- and remember- lie in the cosmetic styling of the buttons.
Both the 3 and the 5 have NFC which is described as "sharing only", by which I infer that it doesn't do payments, probably to avoid the cost of a secure element. Not sure about the future of Android Pay unless Google can persuade a few more manufacturers to put the necessary kit into the phones.
They actually spenf money making the damn thing (3310) and now their going to lose money making these new smartphones too. You'd think they would have learned from yesteryear. Its just another overpaid CEO thinking he knows the market better than anyone else yet its plain to see the wasted effort Nokia are trying to make.
Maybe Nokia just wanted to stir some passion among the afficionados of yesteryear and revive some Nostalgia.
So they should give them away as souvenirs to those who buy their Androids, like a bogof offer. Apart from that, I dont see this gaining traction at all.
Or as someone mentioned, free with Multipack Cornflakes/Shreddies whatever !
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