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A farmer in County Tipperary has declared war on drones, claiming criminals are using the buzz-some devices to scope out rural areas for burglaries. Robert O’Shea, from near Thurles, launched his broadside after Irish police declared that shooting at drones was illegal, the Irish Independent reported. "Gun licences are …

  1. lafnlab
    Terminator

    Perhaps he can use his own drone and start a drone dogfight.

  2. frank ly Silver badge

    “a woman from Limerick”

    A woman from Limerick said,

    "There's a drone flying over my shed.

    Do you think it's the robbers?

    Should I call the coppers?"

    I told her to shoot it instead.

    1. chivo243 Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: “a woman from Limerick”

      dyslexia says "woman from a limerick" I had to read it twice!

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    just wait for the burglars and shoot them instead. That's legal right?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      No, I believe in the UK, when you see burglars or home invaders coming you are required to retreat to a "safe" room and lock yourself in. Then you need to call the cops and hope they get there before something really bad happens, like the bad guys burning down your house with you in it, or raping your daughter who's just arrived back from school. This might almost work when the cops are nearby, like in a crowded city, but the wait will pretty long out in lonely Limerick.

      If however you even threaten them with a gun, YOU become the primary criminal and will feel the full weight of the Law, assuming you are still alive.

      And it is the people why buy into this system that point fingers at the USA and accuse us of being trigger happy cowboys. It's true we prefer to exercise self-defense and not wait for theoretical help to arrive to save us. We also view people who think that way as deluded sheep, bleating for the sheep dogs to come and save them from the wolves. Sometimes that even works!

      1. Drewc (Written by Reg staff) Gold badge

        What a peculiar and bleak view of the world you have

        ... and wrong.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Holy crap, you are the biggest pussy in the world, Johnny. I served under Reagan during peacetime, shot every type of weapon you can for regular Army types, and I own not one fucking gun! Why? Because I'm not scared of the "hoards of Muslims entering the country to do evil" because White Christian Terrorists are must more plentiful here in what used to be a free country. I had an asshole break into my home in 2009, yes a white idiot just like you, and could have offed the fucker, but I did the right thing; I cornered him, plied him with some free beer, and called the cops, and they did their job. No problem. I suspect you would have pissed your giant pants had you not had an uzi in both hands and some grenades, but then that's what pussies require for safety: guns, lots and lots of guns and zero training.

        John, you are a gunnut pussy. We all know it now. :P

        1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

          This is bait.

      3. Frumious Bandersnatch Silver badge

        re: No, I believe in the UK, [...]

        What's the UK got to do with anything? You do know that places like Tipperary and Limerick aren't in the UK, right?

        Anyway, the law in the Republic of Ireland is that you can use "reasonable force":

        http://www.thejournal.ie/new-law-not-a-licence-to-kill-says-minister-327010-Jan2012/

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: re: No, I believe in the UK, [...]

          Anyway, the law in the Republic of Ireland is that you can use "reasonable force":

          Agreed. It's also the case in the UK. The only problem is convincing a judge that your idea of reasonable force is the same as the courts.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: re: No, I believe in the UK, [...]

            Jill Saward didn't even get that chance, and the judge let the rapists off with a smacked cheek, basically.

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      5. MonkeyCee Silver badge

        Holy hell John. Look, I know all your comment is saying is that you're a big man with a gun who don't need no help dealing with all the scum of the earth, but jeez....

        First up, this story is not in the UK. Although the legal codes are pretty close, and to a USian it can get confusing.

        But even assuming that, it take about ten seconds googling to find out how the actual law is applied, so I've no idea where the utter bollocks you're spouting comes from. If you don't know, feel free to ask. And if you just want to say "In Texas, I'd have shot them all and buried them in the desert" just skip to that, rather than lying about the law.

        Here's the summery from the CPS

        https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/householders.html

        In short, you can use reasonable force to secure your property, and reasonable force to defend yourself and others. This includes using a weapon, and is based on your perception of threat. So in your example, arson/attempted murder, home invasion or rape would almost certainly allow you to use a firearm in defense. For securing your property I would expect that threatening by pointing would be OK, but no shooting. For trespass alone, pointing is probably over the top. You should still call the cops first, but you're not legally prevented from taking care of yourself.

        If someone gets killed or injured, then it seems reasonable that people get investigated. The CPS in general will not be prosecuting you over and above the intruder for threatening them. Even if you kill them, you may well escape prosecution. However if you set out to harm them, by not calling the cops, setting a trap, or harming them after they have been subdued, then you could (IMHO should) be prosecuted.

        The perception of the US as trigger happy is that there seem to be an awful lot of people being shot. As compared to say Canada, which also has high gun ownership, lots of rural areas etc.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          FAIL

          I am firmly of the opinion that Big John is going for the Reg Down-Vote record. However, he really needs to up his game if that is the case.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            He's an amateur

            See title

            1. werdsmith Silver badge

              Re: He's an amateur

              Big John is actually deluded enough to believe his own BS, he's put similar shite on here often enough.

              Using Big John's view of reality I can also state the rules followed by burglars in the USA.

              If you wish to burgle a home in the USA because you are desperate to feed your habit, then you must go fully armed with rapid fire weapon. This is necessary because it is likely that any occupant of the home will be armed. So go in hard, shoot first and take no prisoners.

              Big J, American Dad of Texas keeps a .45 under his pillow and a short stock pump action 12 gauge on his headboard, so nail him first before he wakes up.

        2. hayseed

          "In Texas, I'd have shot them all and buried them in the desert" - Not quite as bad as that, but Texas, if I recall correctly, has a pretty uniquely loose law regarding the use of deadly force on one's property.

      6. Tom 7 Silver badge

        Re Big John

        the US gun lobby - actually terrified of the toddlers that kill more USAians with guns than any trained* terrorist organisation has ever managed but chooses to blame it on terrorist so as not to look like snowflakes.

        * by the US normally.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Re Big John

          https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-countrys-armed-forces%E2%80%99-funniest-fail/answer/Alan-Shepherd-6

      7. MisterD

        Big John you are very wrong. I've no idea who you've been listening to but they've seriously misled you.

        "A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large." (Palmer v R, [1971] AC 814), S3 Criminal Law Act 1967

        S76(5(a)) Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 allows householders to use disproportionate force when defending themselves against intruders into the home.

      8. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
        Go

        Or you could Build A Net Gun

        http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-A-Net-Gun/

      9. HausWolf

        So what is the law in Ireland though?

  4. wolfetone Silver badge

    Quite Right

    I didn't have a shotgun when some pervert had his drone looking in to our apartment flat while my girlfriend was getting changed, but I did have a right hand which went someway to giving his jaw a new alignment.

    1. P. Lee Silver badge

      Re: Quite Right

      >I did have a right hand which went someway to giving his jaw a new alignment.

      A somewhat more proportionate response than the use of a submachine gun.

      1. wolfetone Silver badge

        Re: Quite Right

        "A somewhat more proportionate response than the use of a submachine gun."

        A good bit of exercise too.

    2. applebyJedi
      Coat

      Re: Quite Right

      Funny you said that, because I suspect the guy videoing you gf getting changed had a different use for HIS right hand.....

      I'll get me coat

    3. cork.dom@gmail.com

      Re: Quite Right

      Wolfetone: This didn't happen did it? Firstly a Drone is useless as a spying tool. No zoom, and trying to record video of inside a room from outside of the property generally shows you a dark window in a wall. Nobody uses Drones for titilation / spying on girlfriends. Despite what some people claim, it just DOESN'T happen.

      Secondly, how did you find the drone operator in order to re-align his jaw? I very much doubt you followed the drone all the way to the operator, running through brick walls, leaping over tall hedges at upto 35mph in your relentless pursuit for anti-perv justice.

      You should add this to the beginning of your post:

      *** Anti-drone bullshit story alert ***

      1. wolfetone Silver badge

        Re: Quite Right

        Picture the scene.

        The flat was on the 3rd story of an apartment block, which consisted of 7 floors. Across the road from there is a park.

        I go in to speak to my girlfriend who's getting changed, I look at the window and I see that dirty drone hovering outside the window. I say nothing, I go to the other room and look out the window. Mr.Pervert is standing in the park, looking at the drone with the controls.

        I go downstairs, across the road, the drone has moved away from our window but only up to the floor above. I ask him if it's his drone, he said yes, I thump him.

        You can remove your bullshit alert now.

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: Quite Right

          Then you went back into your girl friend and in sign language (because she is deaf if she didn't hear a noise like the loudest/angriest swarm of bees ever outside the window) you tell her what you have just done and that you are expecting the police to come round and drag you away to face an affray, assault and ABH charge.

          Two words, right and yeah. In whatever order.

  5. Jim-234

    A perfect opportunity to get creative

    Since the local government gets quite upset about locals using firearms to defend themselves or their properties, from humans or things controlled by humans, it is the perfect opportunity to get creative with getting rid of criminal drones in a discrete manner.

    Just think of all the fun and inventive ways you could think of to dispatch criminal drones (and possibly make the drone operators stay away).

    Fun no matter what your field of hobby is, so many ways to get rid of the little buggers, it could even make for a great new TV series.

    1. Richard Barnes

      Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

      Yes indeed. Crossbows? Catapults? Trained falcons? I can see a new rural industry being born.

      1. wolfetone Silver badge

        Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

        Well he's near Thurles. So it wouldn't be beyond him to play a bit of hurling with the drone.

      2. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

        net gun.

        Or a drone with a net.

        Crims are generally smart enough to do this stuff, but dumb enough not to wipe the evidence of past misdeeds etc. The Garda may well be interested in them after that.

      3. Captain DaFt

        Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

        This looks like it would make a good anti-drone weapon.

      4. Tom 7 Silver badge

        Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative - trained Falcons

        but the landed gentry have been poisoning raptors for decades! That would be a faster about turn than a goshawk on speed.

        1. tiggity Silver badge

          Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative - trained Falcons

          No idea why people down voted your comments on toffs illegally poisoning / shooting / trapping birds of prey (nice & arms length by their gamekeepers).

          Especially as the mysterious hen harrier incident at Sandringham is currently in the headlines (when I say headlines I mean once you get past the same old politics, celeb, business news most media pushes and look at "minor" stories that really should get more of attention as protected species killed with impunity on her Ma's estates year in, year out) but UK media dislikes stories showing Royal Family in a bad light)

      5. MisterD

        Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

        It worries me that some birds of prey are going to end up injured or worse due to idiots using them to bring down drones. Before you ask a raptor to stick its legs in the drone's rotors you should do a pain level test first, I suggest stick your tongue in the rotors and only sending a bird after the drone if you can still speak ok afterwards.

    2. Stoneshop Silver badge

      Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

      Paintball gatling.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

        Tractor with straw bale spears through the side of the car?

        Or there is the auld tradtiional Semtex

    3. fidodogbreath Silver badge
      Pirate

      Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

      Just think of all the fun and inventive ways you could think of to dispatch criminal drones

      Hang one or two lengths of lightweight chain from the bottom of your drone, perhaps with some fishing weights attached. Then hover over the offending drone and let the chain destroy its propellers.

      Problem solved, plus you get a free (albeit damaged) drone. If you attack from above and behind, your drone is out of his camera's field of view. They'll never know what hit 'em, unless they're sending back real time audio and can hear your approach.

      Aaargh, matey. Off with his propellers!

    4. Alan Wilkinson

      Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/73560117/Harry-Amor-The-teen-behind-the-perfect-punt-that-downed-a-drone

    5. P. Lee Silver badge

      Re: A perfect opportunity to get creative

      How about a drone that hunts for unknown wifi points?

      Losing a cheap drone is a cost of being criminal - getting your face and transport known to police? Priceless.

  6. cd

    Is there a law against barely visible netting? I'd be doing some harvesting and then waiting.

    1. Captain DaFt

      Just trying to keep those pesty birds out of the vegetable patch, Honest!

  7. Steve the Cynic Silver badge

    "Pizza, inevitably, is not far behind."

    Do I have to dig through my old posts to find the reference?

    OK, here it is:

    http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/dominos-tests-delivery-pizza-remote-controlled-drone-150259

    Title: Domino's Tests Delivery of Pizza by Remote-Controlled Drone: The DomiCopter takes flight

    Date: June 12, 2013

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      That's not a fair test as those things Domino's sells are not pizzas, nor are they food. So, perhaps "Test Delivery of shit on a flat of dough by Remote-Controlled Drone" is more apt.

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

        Still better than Podesta's Pizza.

  8. Eddy Ito Silver badge

    Just break out the sonic screwdriver. Problem solved.

  9. choleric

    sub head

    A farmer from yon Tipperary

    Had an accent that sounded quite lairy.

    El Reg wrote the sub head

    And those that were misled

    Mistook Dublin for Dorset's Castle Cary.

  10. Michael Thibault

    However fun and challenging, the trouble with a shoot-down policy is that the drone is likely already considered by the operator to be expendable, and shoot-down 'success' simply sends the miscreant to another potential target, with a different drone. The longer-term strategy should be to build in a large disincentive to anyone considering this type of recon and theft; as there won't be many people willing to steal in this way, the cost of doing so has to be borne by those who are--and seen to have been borne by them--in order to prevent the method from moving into the mainstream. Perhaps a honey pot, but one created after the fact of the recon having been spotted (to work around the get-out-of-charges because entrapment business).

    In thinly-populated areas, the most economical means of spotting such drone-based casing is to use camera-based security. It will devolve into a technological cat-and-mouse game, though. Unfortunately, too, the net effect of the application of video cameras in defense against remotely-controlled video cameras is to create a hyperactive-self-surveillance society.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      The economics still work

      A shotgun cartridge is much cheaper than a drone, even the really tiny ones.

      Also, losing it to a firearm also dissuades them from robbing you. The crims will go somewhere else instead.

      1. Mark 85 Silver badge

        Re: The economics still work

        Given the terrain and population, a shotgun would be viable. Just make sure to bury the dead drone. Afterall, the crims aren't going to go the police... hmm... second thought.. some might because "idiots" like reporting their drug-dealer swindled them.

    2. fidodogbreath Silver badge

      the drone is likely already considered by the operator to be expendable, and shoot-down 'success' simply sends the miscreant to another potential target, with a different drone.

      If they lose enough drones, eventually they'll give up.

    3. Pedigree-Pete
      Unhappy

      RE: Hyperactive-self-surveillance society.

      Too late, we already have one of those.. at least in England, Wales, Scotland and NI etc. PP

  11. Anonymous South African Coward Silver badge

    Pebble (or ball bearing) launched from a catty?

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      "Pebble (or ball bearing) launched from a catty?"

      How accurate can you be against a moving target at anything over 20 feet?

      1. Wensleydale Cheese Silver badge

        "How accurate can you be against a moving target at anything over 20 feet?"

        Build your own trebuchet

  12. whileI'mhere

    How does a drone control crim? How does it do it in an obvious manner? What is crim?

    (Or perhaps "drone-controlling crim"?)

    A hyphen had gone quite astray.

    Made things sound quite a different way.

    The drone was controlling.

    So I came here trolling

    The grammar of young folk today

  13. Daggerchild Silver badge
    Black Helicopters

    Drone hunting drones.

    The only thing you need to take out a drone is to dangle string above it, and the drone itself is a broadcasting device... hrm..

    How difficult would it be to make a small shortrange drone that locks on, hunts down, and dangle/strangles a drone you point it at?

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Drone hunting drones.

      tell it to look for the operator instead, *then* dangle/strangle.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Drone hunting drones.

        "dangle/strangle"

        Sounds like something bad happening to one's dangly bits

    2. hayseed

      Re: Drone hunting drones.

      Party balloons with long strings attached near sensitive areas. May especially be effective at night. This is just a scaling-down of the "barrage balloon" idea.

  14. Frenchie Lad

    larrikins!

    Since when could burglars be described as cheerful yufs?

  15. TJ1
    Black Helicopters

    "Pull!"

    By the Irish legal logic surely a Clay Pigeon is also an "aircraft" (at least temporarily) so if Mr Farmer just happens to be out shooting clays with his shot-gun he can't be blamed if a drone flies into the field of fire, now can he?

  16. HKmk23

    I was told

    Ensure there is only one witness, therefore one side of the story to be told.....yours.

  17. Haku

    So you can't shoot at drones...

    ...but what about a catapult and a bag of self-destructing ammunition? (ice cubes)

    1. Voyna i Mor Silver badge

      Re: So you can't shoot at drones...

      "...but what about a catapult and a bag of self-destructing ammunition? (ice cubes)"

      How practical would an ice payload be in a shotgun? "The drone was hit by a hailstone falling out of a cloudless sky. Odd things happen in Irish weather."

  18. JeffyPoooh Silver badge
    Pint

    "...souls per square km..."

    "...Macau’s 21,000..."

    I've been there twice, decades ago and in 2013. The place is deserted. Except when we got to the plaza to purchase some egg tarts. The plaza was packed. The rest of the place seems to be comfortably empty.

  19. raving angry loony

    Aircraft?

    If they're aircraft, then where the fuck are the pilot licenses of the drone operators, and why aren't they filing flight plans like every other fucking AIRCRAFT pilot has to do?

    If they aren't aircraft, then they're pests, and should be allowed to be shot down whenever and where-ever they trespass.

    Needs a good anti-drone system. Bird-trapping system, net thrower, something "legal". If nothing else, he can pay for the system by selling used drones. "Slightly bruised".

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: Aircraft?

      and why aren't they filing flight plans like every other fucking AIRCRAFT pilot has to do?

      No they don't. Not for VFR flights in uncontrolled airspaces for GA recreational flying.

      1. raving angry loony

        Re: Aircraft?

        and why aren't they filing flight plans like every other fucking AIRCRAFT pilot has to do?

        No they don't. Not for VFR flights in uncontrolled airspaces for GA recreational flying.

        Well fuck, so much for that argument.

  20. Allan George Dyer Silver badge

    Deniability...

    Don't farmers have good, strong water jets for crop irrigation?

  21. Winkypop Silver badge
    Trollface

    Fecking crows!

    At least it looked like a crow....

  22. Huw D
    Coat

    "County Tipperary has a density of just 37.2"

    I know that the stereotypical joke is that the Irish aren't the cleverest, but I never knew there was a unit of measurement for it...

    1. magickmark
      Coffee/keyboard

      Re: "County Tipperary has a density of just 37.2"

      @Huw D - brilliant, simply brilliant!

      Maybe it could be a new El Reg unit of measurement, a Tipperary of denseness/stupidity where 1 unit = 37.2 Tipperians?

      I expect a few down votes, but for the record I'm of Irish descent!!!

      1. Huw D

        Re: "County Tipperary has a density of just 37.2"

        Thank you Sir :D

  23. DWRandolph

    the Police cannot "protect"

    Even with best intentions, training, equipment, conscientious staff, ..., your "local" police cannot "protect" you unless they are actually "local" - say within 20 feet. If they are not able to stop the miscreant _at_the_time_ of the attack, they are only a nebulous background presence threatening some possible future punishment. Any call for help with a response time greater then single digit seconds means I am responsible for the defense of me and mine.

  24. John Sturdy
    Happy

    The Occupiers' Liability Act

    I'm sure there'll be a way round this for the farmers, involving putting up a notice under the Occupiers' Liability Act section 4(2)(h) disclaiming any responsibility towards trespassers. Well it works for everything else, or at least you'd think so going by the number of such signs around the place.

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