back to article 'I AM TWEETING TRUTH TO POWER: AND YOU CAN'T STOP MY FACTS, MR PRESIDENT!'

While I was flying from Davos to DC for the inauguration of President Trump, a quiet revolution was being planned in the heart of the American countryside. This week it exploded: the biggest social insurrection in the USA since the Civil War in 1860. Imagine my astonishment when I discovered the family connection! Now, I can …

  1. Fizzle
    Unhappy

    Yawn

    Not funny, not even vaguely interesting.

    Sorry

    1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

      Re: Yawn

      So uninterested, you just had to go to the comments section and post your fascinating thoughts on the matter?

      "So sad."

      1. Fizzle
        Facepalm

        Re: Yawn

        Yes - in the hope that articles like this might be discouraged in future!

    2. sabroni Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Not funny

      Humours subjective. I thought it was funny! And surely you're happy to see that the Reg isn't completely full of antiiTrump lefty snowflakes.....

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not funny

        Not completely, or us non-snowflakes would be banned by now.

        1. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
          FAIL

          Re: Not funny

          Given the amount of whining you do, Big John, whenever anything remotely negative is posted about Herr Trumpenfuhrer, you shouldn't be casting aspersions about "snowflakes."

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Not funny

            I have NEVER cast aspersions against snowflakes. I like snowflakes. It's the fakes who try to snow the rest of us I could live without. ;-/

    3. steve 124

      Re: Yawn

      Read 10 lines, puked on my middle aged shoes and had to comment just to say, I really am tired of whining millennials. I'm sure glad my generation is about to take the reigns away from the 60s raised hippies that have driven our country into the ground and pushed this rainbow vomiting attitude to all the kids for the past 20 years. I'm also glad I'll probably be dead by the time this generation takes over in DC and finishes destroying everything I value and believe to be true and good.

      It's amazing to me to see these little shits go on and on about the system they all benefit from every single day when they wake up in their little suburbanite homes, while they twitter about how much America sucks as their mom drives them to the local Starbucks to buy them a $6 cafe latte ("I said NO gluten you idiot!").

      One of these days, they'll move out of home, have a mortgage and 2 ungrateful kids and wonder why they only bring home 30% of what they make. Karma always comes back around.

      Just saying, if you're under 30, you're a worthless piece of shit. Wiki it.

      1. imanidiot Silver badge

        Re: Yawn

        Uhmm, Steve124,

        Have you considered the fact that YOUR generation is responsible for the existence of todays so called "millenials"? It is YOUR generation that gave us all the wonders of "social" networking and "the internet" with no regulations or guidance on how to handle it. It was YOUR generation that raised their kids to be oh so special and super important and entitled.

        I am unfortunately also part of the "millenial" generation according to some measures and I keep having to listen to this drivel about how we are all entitled and whining and don't understand the world. In the meantime it's idiots of our parents generation that keep doing stupid stuff like voting for Trump or Clinton (or Wilders, or LePen, or Merkel, or voting for Brexit, or signing the treaty of Maastricht, etc, etc). Meanwhile we get to prepare ourselves for picking up the pieces.

        BTW, those "60s raised hippies" had EXACTLY the same rant about YOUR generation. (And in fact, the parents of those hippies had the same rant, and their grandparents... Just keep going back in history and you will find older generations whining about the lack of respect and lack of understanding and bladyblahblah of the younger generation. It's not exactly a new thing)

        1. steve 124

          Re: Yawn

          First... get off my lawn.

          Second... It's the policies of DC and State Government over the past 20 years (and sorry kiddo, MY generation, the 40 crowd, hasn't been running this show) that have gotten us here. The fact you can't discipline your kids because they've all been told spanking is child abuse (and given a number to call "a nice man" who will take care of your parents if they are doing that), the schools have been flooded with pro-socialist curriculum and revised American/World history narratives. You were taught things that had no practical value in real life and then we wonder why you can't get jobs or handle taking care of yourselves. This has all been a carefully planned and executed 20 year plan of "dumbing down" the american people to ensure they will be so happy to accept the government taking care of you (like a good Big Brother should)... which is a reference to a book that you were never asked to read.

          I don't envy the things your generation will be dealing with, but I can most assuredly say Gen Xers have been watching from the dugout screaming our heads off.

          No, my young naive padawan, the state of the nation/world isn't because of my generation (look at the 60-80 year olds in Senate and Congress). It's the exact thing my grandparents said when I was young... Heaven help our nation when the baby boomers are running things... well, this is what happens when folks who grew up listening to Timothy Leary and reading Saul Alinsky get to make policy decisions.

          1. imanidiot Silver badge

            Re: Yawn

            You might not think very highly of the current generation, but many of them HAVE read books like George Orwells "1984" (And yes, I get that reference). If you want more modern and equally horrifyingly too close for comfort read "The Circle" by Dave Eggers. It'll cure you of using Facebook for sure. And leave you even more horrified of the future generations :)

  2. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Har har

    Oh maybe it's not so funny after all, one tweet and look, he's pissed off the president of Mexico.

    Can't wait to see what happens if he tweets about China and Russia.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Har har

      So you recommend President Trump keep his tweet shut and just bow before the Mexican President, the way Obama bowed so low before the king of Saudi Arabia? Well let me straighten you out.

      Trump is a patriot. Unlike the late Bower-in-Chief, President Trump likes this country, and doesn't bow to anyone, nor do the rest of us (except Obama). If the Mexican President doesn't like what Trump says, he has a voice too, you know. He doesn't need YOU to chastise Trump for him, altho he won't mind you siding with him over your own President about border integrity.

      Oh wait, he's probably not YOUR president.

      1. Rich 11 Silver badge

        Re: Har har

        Big John, when you listen to that recording you've got of Nixon's resignation speech, does a solitary tear of sadness and nostalgia form in your eye?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Har har

          You got something real to say, or did you just swing by to deliver your snap insult? I mean, witty but meaningless digs may feel good (to you) but they don't contribute to anything else. I would suggest you learn to dispute properly like an adult. Your satisfaction will last longer than that cheap thrill you apparently get from your oh-so-clever one liners.

          1. PhillW

            Re: Har har

            "You got something real to say, or did you just swing by to deliver your snap insult? "

            I call you out as Trump under a pseud...........

            When has Herr Trump had anything but one liners to say?

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Har har

              "Very good, young activist! Now that you and your brethren have managed to cast our antagonist as Chaotic Evil (in record time!) you are enabled to identify all his supporters as 'like him,' thus also evil and chaotic."

              And on the winning side. And it's all due to those one liners, go figure.

      2. HausWolf

        Re: Har har

        No, unfortunately he is my president.. he's also a complete douche, but that's another matter.

      3. Dan 55 Silver badge
        FAIL

        Re: Har har

        Trump is also bowing before the king of Saudi Arabia, his restricted entry for Muslims order doesn't include Saudi Arabia nationals or UAE, Turkey, or Egypt nationals. He also has business interests in Saudi Arabia which you don't get without a bit of bowing, as well as those other countries. Amazing coincidence.

        You're being played like a fool. You really don't have a clue about what's happening, do you?

      4. steve 124

        Re: Har har

        John I upvote everything you post man. We gotta have a beer next time you get to Little Rock! :) Spot on brother!

      5. Adrian 4 Silver badge

        Re: Har har

        He's a patriot ? What sort ?

        - Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel (Samuel Johnson)

        - Patriotism is a maggot in their heads (Thoreau)

        - Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious (Wilde)

        - Patriotism is "the principle that will justify the training of wholesale murderers (Tolstoy)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Har har

          I get the impression you look down on patriots. That is your right, and you have many patriots to thank for still having it.

        2. gnasher729 Silver badge

          Re: Har har

          Samuel Johnson, Thoreau, Wilde, Tolstoy - never heard of them. All sound like muslim names. These people are just jealous of the American Way Of Life. And that's the truth.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Har har

            What with the general tenor of the comments here I really don't know wether you are being sarcastic or not, I asked a random American in the work place and he agreed they were Muslim names and thats a fact he said.

            Confused of Tenterden

      6. Bernard M. Orwell

        Re: Har har

        "Trump is a patriot"

        That makes him a fundamentalist, as in "my country above all else, right or wrong." He believes that America should be "first amongst equals", which also makes him a supremacist and a fascist. Patriotism is the belief that those people who form the majority population in an abritrary geographical area delimited by a few lines on a map are somehow bound together by that approximation. It's highly illogical, no better than "faith" based divisions and certainly not good for the advancement of mankind as a whole. Next to religion it's the biggest cause of strife and conflict that the world knows.

        " doesn't bow to anyone, nor do the rest of us."

        That's because you demand that everyone bows to you whilst you bow to no one. You should learn something about respect and how it differs from hubris, yankee. Don't lecture others on being "snowflakes" until you and yours learn what it means. Thanks.

        " If the Mexican President doesn't like what Trump says, he has a voice too, you know. He doesn't need YOU to chastise Trump for him"

        Yep, trumpet has a voice too. We've all heard it quite enough thank you very much. He can indeed speak for himself and doesn't need you to apologise for him. Next time you seek to put down an opinion with such a weak argument I'd advise trying it out in reverse first.

        "Oh wait, he's probably not YOUR president"

        No, he's not. Thank heavens for small mercies. We have our own facist leader to deal with in the UK.

  3. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Alternative Facts

    reminds me of 'Intelligent Design' and that other bit of bunkum 'Creationisn' (where everything in Genesis is true)

    1. Rich 11 Silver badge

      Re: Alternative Facts

      Does a similar dogma hold for the second book, Mike + The Mechanics?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Alternative Facts

      "...reminds me of 'Intelligent Design' and that other bit of bunkum 'Creationism'"

      You're really talking about 'origin stories' which exist in all cultures. People in the past needed some kind of explanation for the unexplainable, so they made up stories that covered the known facts.

      Now we have science to explain better about our world and where it came from, but that same science has revealed deeper levels to the puzzle of our primary origin. Once we consider the moment of the Big Bang we are on our own again, just like our ancestors were.

    3. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Alternative Facts

      'where everything in Genesis is true'

      yeah, dogmatic adherence to things of that nature [in the face of some pretty compelling evidence to the contrary] isn't very smart-looking, is it?

      I say the same thing about climate "science" these days.

      I see the alleged "fact bombs" saying things like "97% of scientists" and my first reaction is always "_WHICH_ scientists"?

      Anyone on the intarwebs can claim ANYTHING, and randomly tw[a,ee]ting "facts" like that is pretty meaningless. People criticize Trump's claims of 3-5 million fraudulent voters, and I have to agree, there's no apparent basis for him to make that claim. But there's an investigation going on, and if they find 1 million, I'll still be JUST as appalled... [and just as NOT surprised].

      I also have to wonder, if Trump's "fact bombs" are, in fact, a way of throwing the same crap back at "the left" that they've been slinging for YEARS.

      /me stands up on the top of the porcelain throne, and yells "CRAP FIGHT!"

      1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

        Re: Alternative Facts

        > I see the alleged "fact bombs" saying things like "97% of scientists" and my first reaction is always "_WHICH_ scientists"?

        But it is only the deniers that say "97% of scientists" as a way of making it look meaningless. The actual quote is:

        """Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities."""

        A simple Google search is all that was required to answer your question of "_WHICH_".

        The issue is not whether climate change is happening, that is unarguable. The issue is: what is the cause of the change. The relationship between CO2 levels and 'greenhouse effect' has been established. The cause of the rise in CO2 is clear. The only argument left is what will happen over the next few years: the fundamentalist conservatives (which Trump has aligned himself with) say that "God will fix it because He is on Our side". The oil companies (which Trump has investments in) simply deny it is happening (cf Tobacco companies and lung cancer). Deniers say it is just an environmentalist conspiracy plot to boost their funding (which Trump will cancel when he dismantles the EPA which interferes with his oil stocks).

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Alternative Facts

          "The issue is not whether climate change is happening, that is unarguable. The issue is: what is the cause of the change."

          Agreed, yes, but I can't agree with your later demonisation of "Deniers". Well, I can agree but can I also mention that some "deniers" are just "sceptics" as in scientific scepticism. You see, an awful lot of climate science is based on predictive computer models rather than experiment and many of these scientists involved in the research are largely copying each others theorhetical models rather than establishing their own research. In other words they are taking each others models as rote - as fact.

          Add to that a measure of financial incentive (on all sides of the argument), peer review either being non-existant or being mutual (You review my climate change paper, I'll review yours) and a fairly substantial swathe of data/findings either being withheld or partially selective with data and you have a 'climate' (see what I did there?) in which scepticism can thrive.

          Putting ALL scepticism down as some sort of low intelligence, conspiracist movement is a bad thing, but so is simply taking consensus as science. Real scientists employ the scientific method to their studies and do not withhold, manipulate or adjust data to suit theory, and I would like to see more of the much vaunted 97% doing just that in order to remove ALL the questions that people still have.

          If its such a massive issue (and it clearly appears to be) then eliminating all doubt is the first step towards a unified response.

          1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

            Re: Alternative Facts

            > but I can't agree with your later demonisation of "Deniers"

            I am not sure where I did that at all, perhaps you could point that out.

            OTOH some "Deniers" seem to demonise climate scientists and others that see climate change actually happening, such as 'Big John', who flat out denies anything bad is happening or will ever happen, and says it is all fake and for the money. He also is confused because 'global warming' makes it colder in the south in winter (which is actually because there is more energy to take the cold artic air further south).

            > some "deniers" are just "sceptics" as in scientific scepticism.

            That is certainly true. But sceptics are able to voice their concerns without resorting to personal attacks (such as calling them fools) and can provide the evidence they used to produce alternate explanations for the global record high temperatures and increasingly more active weather patterns.

            > In other words they are taking each others models as rote - as fact.

            As someone related the other day: "How can weather scientists get it right when some weather forecasts for tomorrow say it will be cloudy and others say it will rain". It may be true that there may be some minor disagreement over the forecast for tomorrow, but we can all agree on the weather that happened yesterday. That was record highs, record number of stronger weather systems, Arctic ice is less, Antarctic sea ice is thinner, glaciers are retreating, sea levels are higher than 30 years ago.

            > in order to remove ALL the questions that people still have.

            There is no doubt that CO2 levels are higher than at any time in the last 100,000 years (and certainly since records were kept), that warming of the seas and atmosphere (more energy) is happening. The "deniers" are the ones that are denying the actual objective measurements. In some cases they are doing it because they don't want anyone telling them they can't buy petrol anymore, or can't pump oil out of the ground, or can't burn down a forest.

            > Putting ALL scepticism down as some sort of low intelligence, conspiracist movement is a bad thing

            I can't recall ever doing that. It may well be that some are as you describe, but did I actually describe anyone like that? and I certainly can't recall writing hyperbolically.

      2. Richard Plinston Silver badge

        Re: Alternative Facts

        > People criticize Trump's claims of 3-5 million fraudulent voters, and I have to agree, there's no apparent basis for him to make that claim. But there's an investigation going on, and if they find 1 million, I'll still be JUST as appalled... [and just as NOT surprised].

        The apparent basis of his claim is his narcissistic ego that requires him to have won the popular vote. Just as he can't stand the idea that his inauguration audience in the mall wasn't the biglyest ever and that the protests the next day were several times larger.

        He clings to the estimates that there are indeed several million duplicate registrations* or dead people on the register (who have died between registering and the election. There is zero evidence that there are any fraudulent votes cast. On previous elections fraud was calculated at between 0.00004% and 0.0009%. While Trump has claimed that NONE had fraudulently voted for him and 3-5 million voted for Clinton it is interesting to note that several of the new White House inmates were registered in two states, including Tiffany Trump.

        The whole point of finding voter fraud is to add new rules to registration to deny votes to anyone would vote against him in the next election. If the investigation finds (or invents) fraudulent voting then the rules would be tightened to require, say, photo id such as a driver's licence. Inner city poor and non-whites tend not to own cars and to not have licences. Thus they would be excluded from registering or voting. This could be enough for the republicans to hold onto power in 2020, and thus shall be done.

        * When someone moves from one state to another and registers in the new state, or when someone dies, the old registration isn't removed until the register is reviewed later.

        1. DougS Silver badge

          Re: Alternative Facts

          The idea that there were 3-5 million illegal votes cast, or even half a million, is beyond ridiculous. But now I hear talk that the investigation is going to look at "dead people who are registered", "people who are registered in more than one state" (which both Ivanka Trump and Steve Bannon were, apparently) and other such errors. That will give Trump a little room to claim "I was right" without actually proving his claim at all. It should look for actual votes cast, not registration problems, but I'm not sure if the federal government can even legally demand states provide them a list of who voted.

          Obviously there will be many many such registration problems found, because most/all states probably lack a good process for stuff like that. If I move to Florida, I don't send a note to my local auditor, or the secretary of state, letting them know I've moved so please cancel my registration in this state. Nor should I be expected to. So how will they know? I guess if I don't vote here for 10 years maybe they will take me off the roll, I don't know. Likewise, if I die, do they have a process to remove me from the roll? Maybe if I die around here, but I wouldn't count on it. If I move to Florida and die there, almost certainly not.

          I'm sure there are millions of dead people, and millions of people who live in another state now, and millions who have moved and are registered in the wrong precinct, simply because this is all managed at a local level and they don't worry about this stuff. Should they? I don't think it matters, so long as no one tries to vote in my name after I've died, and I don't try to vote both here and in Florida after I've moved.

          The Daley machine used to bring out the vote of the 'dead' back in the day. I don't know if that still happens, but it is irrelevant to the election since Illinois is a democrat state regardless. People who have a second home illegally voting in Florida is very relevant - the best outcome would be some national database that tracks where you vote so you can't vote in two different places. Somehow I doubt Trump's investigation will focus on that because it is sure to ensnare some republicans and he's already on record as say that every single one of the fraudulent votes was for Hillary, with zero going for him.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Alternative Facts

            > "The idea that there were 3-5 million illegal votes cast, or even half a million, is beyond ridiculous."

            How so, Doug? On what basis do you make that assumption, because it IS an assumption, you know. In a large secret vote, all the integrity of the system resides at the lowest levels, where votes are collected and then counted. What was that Stalin allegedly once said?

            "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

            So if a certain fraction of a vote total is illegal, the only way to discover this is to look at the polling places and what goes on there.

            But that's exactly what Democrats never want to allow! Asking people to prove who they are is "voter suppression" and questions about vote counts greatly exceeding actual voter rolls are flat out ignored as "crazy talk."

            Let's assume for argument's sake that California did have a couple million illegal votes. How are we going to detect it, given that The Dems controlling that state do everything in their power to cloud and obscure the process? If the Dems are NOT deliberately cheating, they would welcome an examination of elections they control so that exoneration would swiftly be followed by demands for apology. That ain't happening tho and never will as long as that party benefits from imported votes. BTW, Republican controlled voting processes are to be examined just the same. It's not the Reps who are trying to block any investigation, it's the Democrat Party.

            Basically most citizens just want our election process to be clean and don't appreciate how the Dems fight against that idea tooth and nail, going so far as to label anyone who tries a racists. It's dirty and insulting and it's stopping right now.

            1. DougS Silver badge

              Re: Alternative Facts

              I make that assumption based on the fact there is ZERO evidence to back up such a claim, and it is up to those making such a claim to prove it, not for me to prove the claims are false.

              Find a single state election supervisor in either a red or a blue state who suggests such widespread fraud is taking place in their state. It is fine to put forth "what ifs" but outrageous claims require proof. Already Trump's claim that "all" the voter fraud was against him is proven false: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2016/10/28/voter-fraud-suspect-arrested-des-moines/92892042/

              I welcome Trump's investigation. While I think it is a waste of money, it will make him look stupid when he can't prove his claims and he'll be forced to admit he lost the popular vote. I just hope it is thorough and covers actual PROVEN fraud, and doesn't devolve into some bullshit about "look at how many dead people are registered to vote in California" or "see there's a guy with the name Jose Perez registered to vote in Los Angeles and here's an illegal alien named Jose Perez who lives in Los Angeles, proof that they are allowing illegals to vote". I'll bet that's what it actually contains in the end when true fraud becomes very difficult to find. So he'll have to hype it by obfuscating facts and conflating "poorly maintained registration rolls" with assumptions that all the people who don't belong on the rolls voted, without showing that they actually did. And his clueless supporters will eat it up and be posting all sorts of crap on Facebook about how Trump "proved he really won the popular vote" by linking to lies at Breibart.

              I think the reason some congressional republicans are reluctant to support such an investigation is that it will hurt republican efforts at the state level to require voter ID. If the US government does a wide ranging investigation of voter fraud and finds almost no actual fraud, then the main argument for requiring voter ID becomes problematic. And by the way, I'm not against requiring ID to vote either, but only if sufficient protections are in place to insure it isn't just a way of suppressing the minority vote which is the true goal of most voter ID efforts.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Alternative Facts

                "And by the way, I'm not against requiring ID to vote either, but only if sufficient protections are in place to insure it isn't just a way of suppressing the minority vote which is the true goal of most voter ID efforts."

                Are you aware that Voter ID laws have not suppressed minority voting at all? Indeed, black turnout has zoomed, up to equal or higher percentages than whites for a decade now, right at the time the ID laws were taking effect in a dozen states. But, sadly, from my reading at PBS.org it appears that, regardless of the actual turnout results by race, the ID laws are "intended to suppress minority voting" and are therefore bad. I saw the phrase in multiple sites, so it appears to be a PC requirement to have those proclamations in all voter ID articles. It's clear to me now where some of your arguments originate.

                There is no way to prove the ID laws are not intended to suppress voting, since that involves inner motivations and not outward acts. Nor can it be proved the opposite.

                I refuse to accept the liberal shibboleth about "proven voter suppression" is not just lefty propaganda supporting the Democrats and their imported voters.

                So all we really have to stand on here are turnouts. And those turnout totals don't support your accusations of racism against the Republican Party, at least in this one instance.

                1. DougS Silver badge

                  Re: Alternative Facts

                  Where did I say anything about it being "proven" that voter ID laws are intended to or do suppress the minority vote? I only said sufficient protections are required to insure it doesn't. i.e. if a voter ID law doesn't provide a way for a registered voter who doesn't have an acceptable because he doesn't have a license or passport, he should be able to get a free picture ID.

                  If he has to pay for it, then it is basically a return of the 'poll tax'.

            2. gnasher729 Silver badge

              Re: Alternative Facts

              The fact that Trump one proves beyond a doubt that there must have been massive voter fraud - only the braindead would have voted for him. So I'm all for counting how many dead people are registered everywhere and removing that count from Trump's tally.

          2. Bernard M. Orwell
            Stop

            Re: Alternative Facts

            "the best outcome would be some national database that tracks where you vote so you can't vote in two different places"

            Woah there! Can you think what a corrupt state with a reactionary leader would do with a list of who voted where and for whom?

            Thank heavens that could never happen in the USA.

            owait.

            1. DougS Silver badge

              @Bernard M. Orwell

              Woah there! Can you think what a corrupt state with a reactionary leader would do with a list of who voted where and for whom?

              Whoa there yourself, I didn't say the database would keep a copy of who you voted for, only that you voted! How else can you verify that someone who is registered in two states didn't vote twice if you don't have a way to correlate this information between states?

              Anyway, who you voted for isn't saved anywhere, since there is nothing linking you to your ballot. But when I vote in person, the nice little old lady puts a checkmark by my name so I don't come back later to vote again. So that information already exists somewhere, though probably only in those books and not in an electronic form.

              Another alternative would be to simply make it illegal to be registered in two places - compare the registration DBs and whichever registration is 'later' causes the earlier one to be canceled. Of course the problem is, if someone got your personal information they could register under your name in another state and leave you unable to vote on election day, so that's not really a good solution either. There would have to be some sort of databases at a federal level to straighten all this out, otherwise all voter IDs do is inconvenience poor people while leaving rich people who can afford multiple homes the potential for multiple votes in multiple states.

              1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

                Re: @Bernard M. Orwell

                > Anyway, who you voted for isn't saved anywhere, since there is nothing linking you to your ballot.

                If there is no link to the ballot paper then how do they cancel your multiple votes? Or are you suggesting they leave fraudulent votes stand ?

                > otherwise all voter IDs do is inconvenience poor people

                It is called 'disenfranchise', and, yes, it seems that Republicans would like to do that.

                1. DougS Silver badge

                  Re: @Bernard M. Orwell

                  Yes, let the fraudulent votes stand. I don't know how many are doing it now, but if the government announced a process for checking for duplicate voting I expect the number of such duplicate votes would be tiny. The vote count errors from stuff like scanning problems or human error like displaced ballots would be quite a bit higher than from double voting.

                  Trying to achieve an EXACT count is a laudable goal, but it is only a goal. Certainly you can't create the possibility of linking votes to individuals just to solve a problem that would add 0.00001% error to the count in a state like Florida.

                  If someone wants to pay for extra votes by going to prison for a couple years, be my guest :)

    4. NotBob
      FAIL

      Re: Alternative Facts

      Origin stories like: "in the beginning, there was nothing. Then the nothing exploded and made stuff..."

      Something from nothing is magic either way. At least they have the cojones to say it was supernatural.

      1. Toni the terrible
        Devil

        Re: Alternative Facts

        As it was said elsewhere, sufficiently advance technology is indistinguishable from sufficiently powerful magic - at least to the layman

  4. Xamol

    CO2

    Can someone remind me again what that is?

    "... two atoms of carbon and one atom of dioxide"

    Right, thanks...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: CO2

      That obvious science mistake was an amusing mockery of "snowflake" activist 'facts', which can turn out to be bad science or other kinds of nonsense, to often for financial/political gain.

      I saw an equally amusing comment on Zerohedge about mistaken criticism of the part of a scientists comment about the weight of CO2 from burnt Gas (Petrol), when other parts of their comment were more sensible targets for criticism.

      The Left has conditioned a lot of vulnerable young minds via the state education system, include the significant biases of Feminists (disguised socialists), thus more "snowflakes".

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: CO2

        "an amusing mockery of 'snowflake' activist 'facts' "

        reminds me of DHMO (and Penn and Teller passing out 'ban DHMO' leaflets at an earth day thing, with predictable comedic results)

        http://dhmo.org/

        1. Toni the terrible
          Coat

          Re: CO2

          Or the terrible drug known as 'Cake' once reported by the media giant 'BrassEye"

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    That one thing

    Millennials fear more than zombies*, flat batteries.

    *If you were attacked by zombies you could live stream it, think how neat that last selfie would be, could go viral before you do.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: That one thing

      Would that be a Facebook live stream.

      If so, the Zombie attack would have a hard time beating the live rape

      http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/24/europe/sweden-rape-facebook-live/

      Click Baits keep getting raised al the time

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: That one thing

      So you've seen Dead Rising 4 too then...

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  7. naive

    Please make it stop

    ....the endless butt hurt liberal moaning about losing the elections bytheir billionaire owned mainstream media outlets

    1. Apprentice of Tokenism

      Re: Please make it stop

      Dude, if you don't have anything to contribute, please refrain from polluting this comment section with your trash.

      Thank you.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Please make it stop

        Well, it's actually true, but I agree there's a time and place to call out the Left for their misbehavior, and now is not that time. Leave that sort of mindless taunting to the losers.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    As government employees, shouldn't they be working and not faffing around on Twitter?

    1. Tim Jenkins

      #alternativefacts

      Some of them were working on Climate Change mitigation, so now Climate Change isn't happening, they have more time to Tweet...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: #alternativefacts

        > "Some of them were working on Climate Change mitigation..."

        What, the Rangers were tasked with helping save the world from our changing climate? How is that done exactly? And if the climate changes (and it always does) who gets to decide which particular climate state is the 'ideal' one and which are harmful? Sounds like a stance designed to be unfalsifiable.

        And where did you get the idea we know enough about the climate to make rational moves toward controlling it? As if we could anyway.

        My belief is that most of climate-change-fearing eco-religionists are about as deep as you are. That would explain their brick wall resistance to any discussion involving the tenets of their belief. They dare not expose the extent of their ignorance.

        1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

          Re: #alternativefacts

          > and which are harmful?

          It is easy to see which ones are harmful. The ones that will cause the sea level to rise a few feet, or eventually 200 feet. The ones that will make the 'corn belt' into desert. The ones that increase tornadoes and cyclones in both ferocity and number. The ones that bring winter snows deeper into the south and more intense in the north*.

          > where did you get the idea we know enough about the climate to make rational moves toward controlling it?

          It is not about controlling the climate, that cannot be done. It is about controlling human activity so that the situation gets no worse, and potentially can be made better. It has been working for the Ozone Hole, which is healing since CFCs were banned. Now we need to ban fossil fuels so that there is no more carbon dragged out of the ground and poured into the atmosphere. We need to ban deforestation, which also puts 'locked up' carbon into the atmosphere.

          Once the increase in carbon is stopped then we can work on how to remove the excess carbon and hope that brings the climate back to as it was a few decades ago.

          * 'global warming' is putting more energy into the weather. This not only give record high temperatures, as is obvious, but it also gives more energetic weather patterns, pulling winter weather further south, such as has happened in Louisiana a couple of weeks ago.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: #alternativefacts

            > "The ones that will cause the sea level to rise a few feet, or eventually 200 feet."

            I'm trying to discuss actual climate and its current status, so you bring up the same old scare stories that have not happened, and don't look like they'll be happening any time soon.

            That's all the climate change alarmists have, scary stories. Their warming theory turned out to be bogus, so now they wave their hands around and shout about the world doing terrible things to us (that don't involve massive warming!) if we don't all kowtow to Al Gore and the alarmists.

            The world at large doesn't care what you think. Not the people and not Gaia. You are a small, totally manipulated pawn of groups that are making a killing over this cause. Are YOU making any money off it? Because if you aren't, you're a fool.

            1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

              Re: #alternativefacts

              > I'm trying to discuss actual climate and its current status, so you bring up the same old scare stories that have not happened, and don't look like they'll be happening any time soon.

              Seal level rising is a direct result of global warming. Granted the Antarctic ice hasn't all melted yet, but:

              """Sea level has been rising over the past century, and the rate has increased in recent decades. In 2014, global sea level was 2.6 inches (67 mm) above the 1993 average—the highest annual average in the satellite record (1993-present). Sea level continues to rise at a rate of about one-eighth of an inch (3.2 mm) per year, due to a combination of melting glaciers and ice sheets, and thermal expansion of seawater as it warms."""

              """Most predictions say the warming of the planet will continue and is likely to accelerate. Oceans will likely continue to rise as well, but predicting the degree to which they will rise is an inexact science. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says we can expect the oceans to rise between 11 and 38 inches (28 to 98 centimeters) by 2100, enough to swamp many of the cities along the U.S. East Coast. More dire estimates, including a complete meltdown of the Greenland ice sheet, place sea level rise to 23 feet (7 meters), enough to submerge London."""

              1. Toni the terrible

                Re: #alternativefacts

                Yes but Climate change deniers and Trump will likely be dead by 2100 so Climate Change is not a problem. Shame about their offspring and grand offspring though, but that can be ignored so again no problem.

        2. Dan 55 Silver badge

          Re: #alternativefacts

          What, the Rangers were tasked with helping save the world from our changing climate? How is that done exactly?

          You can find out by going to their website and reading up on what they do concerning climate change.

          They dare not expose the extent of their ignorance.

          Good to see you're leading by example, then.

        3. cd

          Re: #alternativefacts

          "Big John", what's your glove size?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Exactly. Another swamp to clean out. This is the bureau that closes parks for political leverage whenever their funding is threatened.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        the bureau that closes parks [...] whenever their funding is threatened.

        I suppose there must be many ways for a primarily park-focused organization to save money whenever their funding is to be cut...

    3. Lars Silver badge

      "As government employees, shouldn't they be working and not faffing around on Twitter?".Yes, try to tell that to Trump first.

    4. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Trumps tweets seem to be about the subject of the day on Fox News.

      link

      Yep, that's the president of the free world, sat in his string vest on a sofa in the White House watching Fox, drinking beer, and tweeting from his phone.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Your Uncle, Steve

    and what have YOU, uncle Steve, done to add your bit to the Struggle?

    Reported?! I see...

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'm Curious

    In the little blurb on the photo, it says "Atmospheric CO has reached 400 PPM".

    All the discussions I've seen talk about "pollutants" being "added" to the atmosphere.

    Another way the atmospheric mixture can change is when components are removed from the atmosphere. I've never seen a mention of all the nitrogen that is being removed from the atmosphere - think production of fertilizer and explosives.

    Has anyone else seen this addressed?

    1. PhillW

      Re: I'm Curious

      "Has anyone else seen this addressed?"

      Try looking up the nitrogen cycle......... Its about GCSE level

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I'm Curious

        Try looking up the nitrogen cycle......... Its about GCSE level"

        Thanks for the snarky, useless comment.

        If anyone has an actual answer or info, I'd be curious to hear.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I'm Curious

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA, im dying here.

      If we do not take into account the nitrogen cycle (as has been stated), around 200,000,000 tonnes of nitrogen is used per year over the whole world. If all of that nitrogen was to be extracted from the atmosphere, and never returned, which consists of ~2,000,000,000,000,000 Tonnes of nitrogen, that is 0.00001% reduction per year at the current rate.

  11. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

    I'm surprised that The Bongster didn't end on a note about how this could be somehow shoehorned into some sort of startup and monetized...

    1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

      This is the scariest sign of the times. Even His ExaultedNess Bong The Great cannot plot a monetization course through this hurricane of cr*p.

  12. Chris Jasper

    Cute

    But I dont really think anything would be as funny as the real world right now............

  13. Potemkine Silver badge

    Hail Trump!

    At first, I also thought that the Unpresidented was fascist. But fascists were not officially racists when the peroxided one is clearly racist, misogynistic and xenophobic: Trump is much closer to Nazis than to Fascists, main difference being he exchanges 'jew' with 'muslim' in his discourse.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hail Trump!

      Were the Jews slaughtering and raping thousands of Christians in the Middle East while gunning down and running over hundreds of innocents in Europe before WWII? Not to mention hundreds of thousands murdered yearly world wide, mostly other Jews who didn't agree with their violence and extreme ideology?

      No, that didn't happen, but you did, unfortunately.

    2. John 104

      Re: Hail Trump!

      @ Potemkine

      Enough already.

      You and your like who compare Trump or any other sitting politician to Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, or Lennon need to go back to school (there were idiots comparing Obama to Hitler as well during his time) . Read the histories of those leaders and the atrocities they committed and ask yourself, without your political bent, if it really holds true. The constant comparison of any leader in the last 40 or 50 years to these people is insulting to those who suffered under them, insulting to the awful legacy they left behind, and ultimately a sign of your immaturity and childishness, no matter what your political affiliation..

      None of our 1st world 'leaders' has led millions on death marches.

      Or forced millions to produce weapons of war, or perhaps the road of bones, until they dropped dead from sickness or exhaustion.

      Or lined up undesirables by the thousand and shot them into mass graves, moving on to gas because it was cheaper than bullets.

      Please, take a mature approach to your views and try to be less like a child and more like an adult. You might just surprise yourself with a little honesty.

      1. Player One

        Re: Hail Trump!

        Give him time, its not even been a week yet.

      2. Richard Plinston Silver badge

        Re: Hail Trump!

        > Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, or Lennon need to go back to school

        John Lennon? I think your school should recall you.

      3. Richard Plinston Silver badge

        Re: Hail Trump!

        > compare Trump or any other sitting politician to Hitler,

        I completely agree with you. Trump is much more like Mussolini.

        Originally he supported the left then he changed to nationalism. I am just waiting for Donald to get the uniforms made so that he can be saluted by the military parades that he wants, they will be bigger than Putin's, even if the lying press show photographs with fewer tanks and missiles.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Hail Trump!

          > "Originally he supported the left then he changed to nationalism"

          I would say Trump gave lip service to the left so he could operate his businesses on the East Coast without the politicians there using him as a punching bag. It's how things work in Lefty Land. No conservatives allowed, period.

          Now he's free to be who he really always was, a hard-core, America-loving conservative. Proof? Look how he's going hammer-and-tongs for all the causes the conservatives have wanted addressed since Reagan.

          So call him all the names you wish. Your side is still losing and the rest of us are smiling to see it happen in our lifetimes.

          1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

            Re: Hail Trump!

            > Your side is still losing and the rest of us are smiling to see it happen in our lifetimes.

            I don't have a side, I watch from the very distant sidelines.

            It will be both sides that lose. The smile will be wiped off your face when you realise that Trump is doing it all for the Trumps and only the very rich will get any 'trickle down'.

      4. Mark 85 Silver badge

        Re: Hail Trump!

        You and your like who compare Trump or any other sitting politician to Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, or Lennon need

        OMG... John Lennon? If you meant Lenin....

        None of our 1st world 'leaders' has led millions on death marches.

        Unless you're being specific to the current bunch, I think Stalin and Mao (missing from the list) could be considered "1st World".

        As for the rest of your post.. pretty much spot on. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

      5. Tail Up

        Re: Hail Trump!

        Please route it up right if it' Lenin or do you really mean Lennon?

    3. Lars Silver badge

      Re: Hail Trump!

      @Potemkine, Why so confused, happy you asked. There is no difference between Nazis and Fascists, nor is there any difference between the far right or the far left. A fascist regime is a fascist regime regardless of being supported by the west or the east. As for Jews and Arabs and why not Mexicans, no difference there either, when you understand it's all about being "those others", somebody to blame. The west is only to the west if you are east of the west and should you be west of the west then the west is to the east. And PS, Hail, Heil, no difference there either, if I got you right, right!.

  14. Rich 11 Silver badge

    Mission accomplished

    Piers Morgan has Tweeted he will never visit Hailmary National Park.

    You lucky, lucky bastards.

  15. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Playing at IT delivers Nothing for Real and even less for AI in any Resistance/NOWO*

    Hi, Steve B,

    Obama talked a good show too, and prepared all for present shit.

    If the hat fits? ...... and all that funky jazz.

    *NEUKlearer Ordered Word Order ....... for do not forget to remember and wonder at Words Creating Cyber Command and Computer Controls and Collapsing Worlds Remotely from ........ well, Alien Spaces are Heavenly AI Safe Havens with All Manner of Matter and Devilish Delights to Deny and Savour.

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Playing at IT delivers Nothing for Real and even less for AI in any Resistance/NOWO*

      Presenting novel constructive and destructive realities in media productions is not at all the same as reporting on past events with falsified facts/alternate truths. What sort of furrows do your favourite sources plough to embed the seeds and plants of the future?

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Massive marches on White House to protect woman's rights is troubling

    With all of the marches in DC to protest every horrible situation in the world, I found the woman's rights protest to be a bit disconcerting. Here is what one woman's protest sign had to say:

    "I dream women will someday have the same rights as guns."

    Does that mean that this woman desires...

    - you to have to wait 72 hrs after you go out and buy a woman to have your background investigation completed?

    - women to be banned from entering school and college campuses?

    - women to be banned from any establishment selling alcohol?

    - women to be banned from polling places on election days?

    - women to be banned from any official government group meetings?

    - all women to be banned from all airports?

    - you to have to pay a fee to the state before you can carry a woman on your person?

    - some women to be banned outright simply because they look too scary?

    - all women to be locked up at all times that they are not in use?

    Hmmmm. Does she also think that all guys should have more than one? That all women should come with silencers?

    Perhaps this woman and those supporting this woman's POV are confused like many of the folks in these protest rallies? Many of these protesters were bused into DC from hundreds of miles away to protest President Trump's efforts to rebuild America after 8 years of tyranny under Obama and friends? Those on the government gravy train for the past 8 years now will be required to get a real job so obviously they are unhappy with the change in administrations.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Massive marches on White House to protect woman's rights is troubling

      > "...all women to be locked up at all times that they are not in use?"

      I understand that's traditional in many Islam-controlled countries. Some have even managed to get their women to say they like it!

      They'd better...

    2. PapaD

      Re: Massive marches on White House to protect woman's rights is troubling

      I'm always a little confused (Being outside of the US) about how some people inside the US view Obama as some kind of tyrant, i've never really understood the reason why.

      If its to do with Executive orders - he did less per year than any president since Grover Cleveland.

      Is it because he was a Democrat president in a country with a republican senate and congress, so struggled to get anything done via either?

      Can you explain your reasoning please?

  17. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Ignorance is Bliss, Knowledge Divine ......... IT is More than Heavenly when Media Spins Crimes

    A little something extra ordinaire and for Bluesy Chill Red Pill weekends

    Hi, Steve B,

    Most/Practically all comments here appear to have missed the base venture mission launched into, and into Command and Control of CyberSpace and Communications Computers, in the piece penned for the deluded spaces and places in need of immediate attention ….. a cryptic encrypted quantum communication call to dashing virtual arms and secret flash crashing war against enemies, both domestic and foreign, driven easily mad by phantom monied market successes and excesses.

    We and/or They, in and into A.N.Other Organisation and Global Operating Devices and GCHQ IC Enterprises, if you really need or even dare care share what we know, would prefer to make IT considerably clearer so that Ignorant Darkness does not blight and unsight the Ego and SuperEgo to Futured Deep Web Black Watch AIdDVentures/Heavenly Forays into Devilish Spaces.

    Shoreditch is a right bitch of an Advanced Incubator place, aint it? No fancy frills and lace knickers in evidence there, but I suppose such bare ass operations do have their certain Earthy Erotic Earthly Exotic attractions in Assets Available Anywhere in Attendance.:-)

    ???? Bedlam Rules?????

    "The only difference between me and a mad man is that I'm not mad" .... Salvador Dali

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ignorance is Bliss, Knowledge Divine ......... IT is More than Heavenly when Media Spins Crimes

      I could have been like you, but you've been done already.

      "..if you really need or even dare care share what we know..."

      Genius. I am extremely jealous. Salvador Dali would be jealous.

  18. Polardog

    So glad I am old.

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Truth from Power ‽ ‽ ‽ ‽ is an XXXXplosive Cosmic Energy Source/Almighty Disruptive Weapons System*

      So glad I am old..... Polardog

      And with a Certain Aged comes Ab Fab Fabless Wisdom and HyperRadioProActive IT, Polardog, in Other Worlds with Failing Enterprises floating and afloat in Vast Ignorant Sees of Arrogant Applied Apathy.

      What sector do you freely admit to being part of and seeing feverishly active and at their work, Polardog? It would be presumptuous to hazard an educated guess in these corrupt elitist establishment times of perverse systemic misdirection/markets front-running/opponent entrapment.

      * And in its Quantum ITerations, both almighty destructive and constructive too, and at times and in places and spaces of ITs own choosing. Anything else shared as actionable and intelligent from agents, other than truth from power, is a sure sign of an Inherent Terminal Weakness with Systemic Vulnerabilities for Relentless ZeroDay Programmed Attack, which you really should note is not shared as a question to create doubt in any and/or all current reality projects/Great Game Plays.

      What do you think major established hierarchical SCADA systems do battle in vain against nowadays? Do they identify to you the face of the enemy or is it a phantom foe/unfriendly media hosted beast?

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