back to article Firefox hits version 50

The Mozilla Foundation's Firefox web browser has hit version 50.0 on Windows, MacOS, Linux and Android. Firefox debuted in November 2004 and has sometimes pushed its market share above 30 per cent. These days it's the world's second-most popular browser, with its 13.29 per cent market share according to StatCounter. Version …

  1. AndyS

    Android

    Does anyone here use Firefox as a daily driver on Android? How does it compare to Chrome? I used it a few years ago when I first got a smartphone, but it was clunky and badly integrated at the time.Chrome "just works" now.

    1. DrXym Silver badge

      Re: Android

      I use it on Android all the time. It works great especially if you throw in an extension like uBlock to slash 3rd party scripts out of sites. Most Firefox extensions work in the mobile version.

      Aside from having mature extension support it also means you get more privacy. Using a not-Google browser means it's harder for Google to see what you're up to.

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Android

      It started a bit bad, it got better, now it seems to be slowing down a bit for whatever reason.

      Still, add-ons are good and it's not Chrome autologging you into Google's websites and targeted by the Android malware developers.

    3. gv

      Re: Android

      Use it daily and, apart from a very rare odd lockup, it works fine.

      1. Rimpel

        Re: Android

        Does it support text reflow yet? That was the deal breaker for me.

    4. William 3 Bronze badge

      Re: Android

      Because Chrome uses undocumented Android API's

      1. GrapeBunch Bronze badge

        Re: Android

        "Chrome uses undocumented Android API's"

        Just like MS and Windows. The security risk was a good reason never to use MS applications when running Windows, and sounds like a good reason to use another browser (e.g., FF or Opera/Chromium) in Android.

        Tabs, windows, history, bookmarks, export/import, cache, sessions, refresh, previous page, first page, last page, cloud bookmarks ... they're all facets of the same thing. I can't help but hope that one day we'll have a user-friendly interface that encompasses all of these concepts in a customizable but by default more straightforward way. Here's a tiny f'rinstance. Some sites don't have favicons, or historically they didn't have favicons. There was a FF extension that would help with favicons, but only in the Bookmarks list. The same favicons would not appear in the tab bar because of the way FF was organized. This went on for years. Not sure if it is still the case, but while it was a ffactor, it was eFFing annoying.

    5. Orwell

      Re: Android

      Yes, all the time, because it is the only Android browser that supports Ad Block addons.

      However, it does have a few bugs on Android. The main one for me is that quite often links stop working. Have to quit out of Firefox and re-start. (Android 7 on a Nexus 9).

    6. Unicornpiss Silver badge

      Re: Android

      I use it on my phone and it's fairly stable, though slightly slower than Chrome. I like the features better than Chrome on any platform. On my Android tablet, unfortunately it's a bit flaky and likes to crash when I expand or move around the page.

      1. m0rt Silver badge

        Re: Android

        I use FF on Android - in fact it was a major factor in me returning to Android from BBos.

        The main driver was both the FF sync between my Mac and the Android device, which I find useful, and the use of Ghostery. It does feel slower, than chrome, but I have more trust in FF so I am staying.

      2. Ben Tasker Silver badge

        Re: Android

        > unfortunately it's a bit flaky and likes to crash when I expand or move around the page.

        That's been my main experience with it, it's just regular enough to be annoying but not so regular that it's forced me back to Chrome.

        1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: Android

          That's been my main experience with it, it's just regular enough to be annoying but not so regular that it's forced me back to Chrome.

          I've found it pretty solid over the last year or so even on websites like BBC Sport which really hammer the network and the CPU. And blockers (I use Ghostery are a must).

    7. That_Guy

      Re: Android

      Yes on my daily because er... that extension which in chrome requires root to achieve the same level of protection from vile underhand websites.

    8. DiViDeD Silver badge

      Re: Android

      my Partner uses FF on an HTC M8 and is very happy with it. It supports AdBlock and stuff. To my shame, I use Adblock Browser and let *it* do all the heavy lifting. Also no complaints. Stuff that doesn't render properly doesn't get a 2nd visit, and its cookie and script controls are pretty comprehensive.

      Although it keeps asking me if I'd like search suggestions turned on if I search from the address bar.

  2. Mage Silver badge

    Chrome

    Why the high usage of Google's Chrome?

    Is it due to phones/tablets, Android?

    Do people not care about privacy?

    I'm puzzled. Firefox seems to work OK on my Android 5.1 tablet. I can't see what advantage Chrome has for laptop or PC, or am I missing something?

    1. MyffyW Silver badge

      Re: Chrome

      I use Chromium on Debian in preference to Firefox although I have Firefox installed for use with sites that insist on using old flash technology (BBC for a while).

      Can't say I'm too fussed about one vs the other. I rather like being able to choose though.

      1. Kubla Cant Silver badge

        Re: Chrome

        I have both Firefox and Chromium installed on Mint. Chromium because of sites where an annoying "outdated Flash plugin" message appears in Firefox.

        Barclays online banking hilariously refuses to run on Chromium because it thinks it's an obsolete browser.

        1. Updraft102 Silver badge

          Re: Chrome

          If you have Firefox set to ask permission before enabling the Flash plugin, sites will still try to use it-- somehow they are still being told it's there. You have to set it to "never enable" to get sites to quit asking and use HTML5 sometimes, or else use an extension that hides the Flash plugin from the site even when the plugin is set to ask first.

          Otherwise, you can just spoof your user-agent in cases like yours with the bank, since the preferred feature detection would return results equal to having Chrome, I presume.

          I've never used any PC browser other than Firefox, Mozilla, or Netscape (except for brief testing and Windows updating in Win XP), going all the way back to 1995.

          Well, that's not entirely true; I did use Lynx before that on a VAX/VMS shell account which I accessed from a terminal program on my PC, but Lynx was running on the VAX, not locally.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @Mage

      "Why the high usage of Google's Chrome?"

      I assume the same reason as why so many people used FF back in the days: if you find something which works you usually stick with it. I'm quite pleased with Opera myself (build on Chromium, so comparable to Chrome I guess) and one of the reasons (in comparison to Firefox) is that the interface hardly ever changes.

      Now, please note that the last time I've used FF was back in 2008 - 2009 or something, so my experience is dated, but the main thing which drove me away were the heavy release cycles combined with a seemingly constantly changing interface.

      1. AMBxx Silver badge

        Re: @Mage

        I use FF as my main browser just through laziness and a dislike of Google.

        I rarely see FF installed at customer sites, but Chrome is often the browser of choice.

        If it wasn't for Google, I'd be using Chrome. Hard to give any proper reasons, it just feels more professional.

      2. Mage Silver badge

        Re: constantly changing interface.

        I use "Classic Theme Restorer" on Firefox on Windows and Linux. The GUI on Android isn't much different than the other mobile browsers.

        Do Chromium usage figures get aggregated to Chrome stats in the article? They are very different on privacy.

        I see in a another post: Chromium 0.17%

      3. William 3 Bronze badge

        Re: @Mage

        I believe Google paid a lot of devs money to auto install Chrome alongside their shovelware.

        Given that majority of users don't even know what Browser they are using, this paid off nicely for Google.

      4. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: @Mage

        "and one of the reasons (in comparison to Firefox) is that the interface hardly ever changes."

        YES YES YES!

        This is a BIG THING with ME. I *HATE* 2D flats, fat-finger-friendliness [at the expense of screen real estate on my *DESKTOP* computer], and that *HIDEOUS* *HAMBURGER* *MENU*.

        Using Firefox 27-ish on my GNOME 2 DESKTOP at the moment, on a FreeBSD machine with ~2-year old 'ports' (built from source), with plugins *like* noscript [the MAIN reason for using Firefox at all]. If it needs a patch I can re-build it from source.

        If it works, *WHY* *CHANGE* ??? Moving targets are HIGHLY overrated.

    3. fandom Silver badge

      Re: Chrome

      "Do people not care about privacy?"

      If they did Facebook wouldn't even exist.

    4. Jedit
      WTF?

      "Why the high usage of Google's Chrome?"

      A better question: how are these stats being compiled? I literally don't know anyone who uses Chrome, at work or at home. I'm not even sure of the last time I saw a computer running it. Could it be that the numbers are coming from collated page browser checks, and Chrome is rating highly simply because it talks to everyone who asks while other browsers obfuscate?

      (Serious question, by the way, this isn't just a Chrome bashing session.)

      1. fandom Silver badge

        Re: "Why the high usage of Google's Chrome?"

        Because it is the default browser in Android.

    5. Len Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Chrome

      Simple: marketing.

      Most people don't care which browser they use. Remember when that blue E logo was synonymous with "the internet"? Most people see a browser as a tool to use services and products.

      If someone doesn't care which browser they use they can easily be persuaded to switch to something else. And that is exactly what Google did. They ran a malware-like campaign where people were tricked into downloading Chrome and making it the default browser. They pushed Chrome on all their assets and channels, just searching for "the best cake recipe" got you a big Chrome ad on Google.com. They made references to Chrome so ubiquitous that Chrome became synonymous with "the internet".

      And no, sadly most people don't care about privacy.

      1. LDS Silver badge

        Re: Chrome

        A lot of people were told to use it, or feel the need because it became "fashionable", and they don't want to look "unfashionable".

        These are the same people who keep on complaining about the unwanted marketing calls they receive (often I hear one cursing them in the office too...) and wonder why I never receive one...

        Then there's also those who got it by installing/updating other software. My sister once got it updating Avast, IIRC, and asked me why her browser has changed suddenly....

    6. stonk

      Re: Chrome

      I would guess it's probably because every time you use google search they push Chrome in your face. Personally, I use FF on both windows and Android (well ... I actually use the Dev version Aurora on both - often with 200+ tabs open on windows at work) and they both work great.

      Even have the missus using FF on her phone - she regularly has 50+ tabs open while she is browsing Amazon and such like with only very rare problems.

      As others have mentioned, it's also good to install uBlock or similar.

      1. Unicornpiss Silver badge
        Alert

        200 tabs!

        ..How can you even keep track of what tab is what? I thought I was bad having 5-10 each IE and Firefox windows open at work, some with multiple tabs.

        1. RichUK

          Re: 200 tabs!

          There are a couple of things to help with this - a drop down that appears on the right when the number of tabs exceeds the page width such that the tab bar scrolls that lists the tabs, plus the tab group "manage my tabs" which can display the tabs in a variety of different formats according to preference. I too use classic screen restorer - could not stand the dreadful Chrome-lookalike that FF adopted a few years back.

          1. stonk

            Re: 200 tabs!

            @ Unicornpiss @RichUK

            I do indeed use plugins to help ... currently have seven tab groups, one is misc the rest are specific to a set of ongoing work. Every now and again I go through and sanitise it and might manage to get it down to a hundred or so. You'd be surprised how quickly you get used to it.

    7. luminous

      Optional

      Statcounter gets stats from people who don't care if they are being followed around the web. Which basically means any Chrome user.

      Reg - can you release sample month stats on browser usage? Being as your audience is rather niche it would be very interesting to see compared to the general stat reports.

    8. Carl D

      Re: Chrome

      "Why the high usage of Google's Chrome?"

      Because almost everything you download from the Internet these days seems to include Google Chrome which is usually ticked to install by default and most people don't pay attention and just 'click through' without looking.

      I've had a few people come to me and ask "what's this Google Chrome and how did I get it on my computer?" I've even had a couple who didn't know they had it installed (despite the obvious Google Chrome icon on their taskbar).

      1. Carl D

        Re: Chrome

        Even my ASUS motherboard driver disc has Google Chrome and Google Toolbar ticked to install by default when you install the drivers.

        Unbelievable... good thing you can untick them or all heck would have broken loose in the Carl household.

    9. wayne 8

      Re: Chrome

      Is it like preinstalled IE on Windows?

      Are they counting Chrome that comes preinstalled on probably every Android phone and Chromebook, etc.?

      I have tried Chrome. Never impressed with it over FF and inherently distrustful of Google.

    10. joed

      Re: Chrome

      "Why the high usage of Google's Chrome?" - many businesses give users 2 bad options. IE and Chrome. Guess which I've picked (and followed with number of "under the hood" tweaks). While Chrome has its privacy issues if far better than IE (especially on W10 when MS browsers relay users' activity to Sadya's team). FF caters more to its users' privacy than corporate-wide deployment (e.g. getting man in the middle proxy done proved too much in my place) and thus gets shafted. On the 2nd thought I'd rather have Mozilla keep it this way as it remains my preferred browser across all my personal systems (excluding the "walled garden" when Safari or lipstick on Safari is the only option).

    11. DiViDeD Silver badge

      Re: Chrome

      "Is it due to phones/tablets, Android?

      Do people not care about privacy?"

      I think you just answered your own question there.

      I tried to get MS Office from Microsoft yesterday. 'Oh dear. You have 3rd party cookies disallowed. You'll need to enable these to continue.'

      No explanation, just rip a hole in the side of your browser or we won't let you give us your money. The Chat rep suggested I could use Edge or IE, as that would work for me. I got it from a retailer instead.

      As an aside, what's happened to Microsoft with their error messages recently? I had an error message last night which said (I shit you not):

      "Oops! Something went wrong. We'll try to fix it for you. We'll let you know when we're done."

      How about YOU tell ME what went wrong and I'll bloody well fix it myself?

  3. Korev Silver badge

    Any idea which browsers are in the "other" line that's quietly gaining ground? Edge, Vivaldi?

    1. Rufus

      You can go to the website and download the data as desired http://gs.statcounter.com/

      For the first two weeks of November the top 20 browsers for Desktop, Tablet and Console were:

      Chrome 59.19

      Firefox 13.41

      Safari 10.34

      IE 8.83

      Edge 2.89

      Opera 1.84

      Android 1.29

      Yandex Browser 0.46

      Coc Coc 0.35

      UC Browser 0.28

      Chromium 0.17

      Maxthon 0.15

      Sony PS4 0.13

      Sogou Explorer 0.13

      360 Safe Browser 0.1

      QQ Browser 0.09

      Mozilla 0.04

      Phantom 0.04

      Puffin 0.04

      Pale Moon 0.03

      Vivaldi was at 0.02% - so definitely more Edge and Opera rather than a Vivaldi ....

      1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

        Statcounter

        How many people here block statcounter from their browser?

        This along with a number of Google sites are on my hit list to block from slurping my browser use.

        1. imanidiot Silver badge

          Re: Statcounter

          I think Steve Davies might be on to something there. It is quite likely a lot of the other browsers are under represented because the methods used to agregate the data is blocked in those browsers, but not in the vast majority of IE and Chrome users.

          Personally I find it interesting that the decline of Firefox began right at the point they started converting from a sleek, fast, customizable browser to a "look at us looking like chrome and working like chrome and being slow as shit" piece of software that it is today. Maybe they could have something to do with one another?

          1. RichUK

            Re: Statcounter

            @Imanidiot - spot on, instead of keeping something that was unique and worked both functionally and in terms of good UI design (which seems to be a dead science these days) they just went with being like everyone else.

        2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: Statcounter

          I've heard that in some countries up to 10 % are using ad-blockers. Don't think it really matters that much. Akamai's data, which El Reg disappointingly fails to use, has Chrome (all versions) at around 50%:

          https://www.akamai.com/us/en/solutions/intelligent-platform/visualizing-akamai/internet-observatory/internet-observatory-explore-data.jsp

          Google must be particularly pleased in the uptake of Chrome Mobile because that's a fairly recent addition.

          1. Captain Badmouth
            Thumb Up

            Re: Statcounter

            "I've heard that in some countries up to 10 % are using ad-blockers."

            People whose computers I troubleshoot cannot believe how fast their browsing is after I install FF with an adblocker on their kit. I also instruct them in the use of noscript, needless to add.

            Their vision has gone off the rails, though. Who needs all that sh*t?

            Give us a fast, simple browser with no "chrome-crap ®".

          2. Mark 110 Silver badge

            Re: Statcounter

            That Akamai site is rubbish. Can we not have a breakdown on the 'Other'? Is Firefox Mobile wrapped up in 'other'? Baffled by the numbers. They don't tally at all with the usage stats on a couple of web projects I have worked on lately. Breakdown on version of each is also useful but not given.

      2. Ian Emery Silver badge

        360 Safe Browser 0.1

        This is (I suspect), the latest Chinese knock-off of IE - stuffed with Chinese government spyware; their last version somehow ended up on SWMBOS PC (she being Chinese), and it was the devils own job to get rid of it, and the malware it allowed onto her system.

  4. AMBxx Silver badge
    FAIL

    Innovation?

    I'm sure they've heard of it, but nothing much going on here.

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Innovation?

      "I'm sure they've heard of it, but nothing much going on here."

      I agree in principle. CHANGE != INNOVATION especially when it's "change for the sake of change" or "change because millenials think it's 'cool'" or "change because Micro-shaft is doing it *THAT* way" or "change because we *FEEL* everyone needs {whatever}"

      Let's not forget how long XP stayed THE SAME, and how it remained POPULAR the entire time.

      Let's not forget the ~30 years of GUI being done "that way" and GROWING in scope and market from the mid/late 80's through now.

      Let's not forget the *FAIL* of Windows "Ape", Win-10-nic, and the entire premise of "make your desktop look {read: be crippled} like a 'smart' phone".

      And, unfortunately, FF's direction has been TOO MUCH like the above statement. FORTUNATELY you can turn the REGULAR MENU back on again, though it's not always easy to figure out the first time you go W.T.F. when you see NO MENU and a FORNICATING HAMBURGER ICON.

      So this "every few weeks" release cycle is not only HIGHLY OVERRATED, it's HIGHLY UNNECESSARY.

      I have a better idea: Just *FIX* *THE* *DAMN* *BUGS* (after putting the >2 year old user interface BACK, thank you, WITHOUT A DAMNED HAMBURGER ICON for non-touchy devices), and spend your ENTIRE development time cycling EVERY bit of code through ANAL RETENTIVE REVIEW, for efficiency, security, and size.

      Oh, but that's not *FUN*, right? Too bad. REAL programmers know how to Q.A. their own schtuff. And they don't need rapidly increasing major version numbers, either.

      1. Peter2 Silver badge

        Re: Innovation?

        Google the Firefox Extended Support Release. Much more sensible release schedules causing much less rage when things are "improved" in every version.

        Firefox ESR has roughly a yearly update cycle, skipping about 7 releases of the consumer version of Firefox. If Mozilla didn't offer it, I'd have been off to anything else a long time ago.

  5. Ole Juul Silver badge

    This being an IT site

    Firefox web browser has hit version 50.0 on Windows, MacOS, Linux and Android.

    Perhaps it is worth noting that we have version 50.0 on FreeBSD as well.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: This being an IT site

      "Perhaps it is worth noting that we have version 50.0 on FreeBSD as well."

      And given a more normal numbering scheme it would probably be somewhere around 6.8.5 on all platforms.

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: This being an IT site

      "Perhaps it is worth noting that we have version 50.0 on FreeBSD as well."

      right, but tracking 'bleeding edge' on something like FreeBSD isn't always practical, ESPECIALLY when you prefer to build from source. I'd rather not be a slave of "new, shiny" and have a stable platform to 'get work done' on.

      1. Ole Juul Silver badge

        Re: This being an IT site

        @bombastic bob I'm with you in not wanting to be a slave to my new shiny, but things have changed. The new package system works like Linux apt-get now. It literally only takes a few minutes to do an update now, although building ports from source is still an option.

  6. MJI Silver badge

    I like GUIs to be obvious

    The idea of a browser with nothing but an address bar to me is horrible, so I hate Google Chrome.

    I run FF with classic theme restorer so I can have it looking like any Windows program.

    Search box, square tabs, a menu, stuff you expect.

    But it takes a while to start now because of the GUI restoration

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      Re: I like GUIs to be obvious

      Got it in one. An address bar is for typing address; a search engine should be obvious and separate.

      The search bar is the first thing I remove from firefox (the second is the pocket rubbish).

      1. Captain Badmouth
        Happy

        Re: I like GUIs to be obvious

        Pocket rubbish - you mean extraneous shit, don't you?

        Don't be afraid to say it, put it out there.....

    2. Mage Silver badge

      Re: I like GUIs to be obvious

      The start time doesn't seem to be affected on my Windows and Linux Mint (Mate Desktop).

      Classic Theme Restorer works fine on Mint too to make it like the other windows. I had to use a different plugin to fix Thunderbird.

      I do wish Mozilla would concentrate on bugs and performance and security. Fix stupid default settings (make 3rd party cookies blocked by default etc) and make it easier to access permissions. Stop fiddling with cosmetics and GUI.

      I turned off search and auto correct/guessing on URL bar as that is a vulnerability. I have the search entry box working in the old style. Stupid change they made.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: I like GUIs to be obvious

        "Stop fiddling with cosmetics and GUI."

        It sounds as if what you really need is Seamonkey - browser and Thunderbird in a single package with a plain vanilla interface.

      2. Criminny Rickets

        Re: I like GUIs to be obvious

        I haven't used Classic Theme Restorer. When I install a new Firefox, the first thing I do is go to "Settings", select "Customize" at the bottom, click on "Show/Hide Toolbars" in the lower left corner, and click on "Menu Bar".

        The next step I do is go into about:config and change browser.showQuitWarning to true. (So I get prompted to save my open tabs for the next time Firefox starts).

        Thunderbird Menu is similar, I go to "settings", go to "Preferences" and click on "Menu Bar".

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Still use it, but...

    Long list of annoyances. Could use Pale Moon but I don't have control over work devices. So I choose the lesser of 2 evils rather than switching between home / work (and using browser strings for compatibility on certain websites etc). Overall its the small things that irk the most as you have to dedicate a lot of time to fiddling with these:

    ===================================

    ......Javascript.enabled = false

    ......Permissions.default.image = 2 (talk about cryptic settings)

    ......Cookies default to Accept 3rd Party cookies - Always (C'mon!!!)

    ......Google strings must be blanked or Firefox likes to phone home to Mountainview.

    ......YouTube full-screen confirms are a PITA (the workarounds don't always work).

    ===================================

    Chrome vs. Firefox:

    I miss how you can lock down Chrome JavaScript-Cookies-Images to certain sites only. With every other site defaulting to off / none. When you use this alongside Hosts file blocking (Flash-Java gone) you see few Ads & few drive-by-attacks etc.

  8. Joe Drunk
    Windows

    I recommend Google Chrome to noobs for the desktop

    Simply because Google invests more in browser security than the rest. Privacy? well these are noobs so they don't know/care about privacy. My personal preference on the desktop is Slimjet - Chrome with all the plugins, minus the Google.

    On my Android phone the stock browser with javascript disabled is good for most my needs. Otherwise it is Firefox/Ublock.

    One feature I particularly like about FF/Android that I'm surprised hasn't received a mention - it is the only Android browser that will render the full desktop sites properly when selecting "request desktop sites". All other Android browsers, including Chrome, fail to render most desktop sites when this option is selected.

  9. David Beeston

    Has version 50 started implementing stricter extension verification? A whole bunch of mine have now been disabled by the system :(

    Edit: I just had to re-install them from firefox extension site. No idea why.

    1. Updraft102 Silver badge

      "Has version 50 started implementing stricter extension verification? A whole bunch of mine have now been disabled by the system :("

      It seems to be a recent bug, but it's not new with 50-- I am using 49.0.2 still, and I've had it hit both of my PCs. On my laptop, all of my addons "could not be verified" and were disabled; on my desktop, only one of the addons erroneously showed as unsigned. Reinstalling them fixed it, as you noted. Those that self-updated before I manually reinstalled them worked too.

      I thought that once they were checked for signature when they were installed, but after that were considered trusted unless they've specifically been blacklisted for a security issue, but apparently that's not the case. I guess Chrome is dumbed down to not allow ordinary users to make intelligent decisions about their own security, since being like Chrome is the only thing that motivates FF devs to do anything these days.

  10. Doc Ock

    A near monopoly shifted from IE to Chrome, worrisome.

  11. David Lawton

    So Apple's Safari is now used more than Microsofts Internet Explorer? Wow, If you had said that to anybody 10 years ago you would have looked like you had escaped from the nut house.

  12. Ian Emery Silver badge

    WANKERS!!

    Just downloaded a program via filehippo instead of direct from the maker, the tossers have added a silent install of Chrome.

    FUCK OFF FILEHIPPO!!!

  13. Criminny Rickets

    Wifi Hotspots

    In regards to Firefox and Chrome. I have both on my phone and I have noticed that when I go to a place that has a wifi hotspot that redirects you to a page where you have to accept their user agreement, Chrome does not like it. With Chrome, it will not redirect, it just keeps telling me it can't load the page (ie Google Search), but Firefox right away redirect to the sign in page to be able to access the wifi hotspot.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Wifi Hotspots

      This is because these gateways are really, really, badly programmed and open to MitM attacks on the network.

      Recently tried (with all browsers) and gave up at the Royal Exchange in Manchester.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    #2 is putting it generously

    My gut says Firefox is #4... and I have stats to confirm. 60% Chrome, 20% Safari, 10% IE+Edge, and only 4% for Firefox.

    How the mighty have fallen, first IE and now Firefox. EichGate and Aurora pushed users away, and there's been nothing to lure them back, not even vaporware plans. RIP, Firefox.

    I can't pin Chrome's lead on Android platform dominance and naive users. It sucks, people hate it, but they use it anyway because the others are so god-awful.

    Alternative browsers - unlikely to register in JS tracker stats, as most of their users are paranoid. Myself included. Anyone still running AWStats?

    Mine's the one with PaleMoon and Chromium in the front pockets -->

    1. Ian Emery Silver badge

      Re: #2 is putting it generously

      Have a Rennie, perhaps that will get FF to #1.

      FF has always been a "download it if you want it", so its market share against silently or non optionally installed browsers like IE and Chrome are never going to show how good it is, or how many people might like to use it.

      That post above, it was REALLY while I was reading the thread, I knew something was wrong because the install took 10 times longer than it should have, yet at no point was Chrome mentioned, and afterwards, there was no "Uninstall" option for it in the start menu, I had to open the control panel (which scares many casual users).

      It also set itself as default - again with no interaction from me; so I am really pissed off, but not sure how much I should be aiming at Google, and how much at File Hippo (who I will never use again).

      BTW, I know it wasnt the software writers, I downloaded it directly from them and no Chrome.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: #2 is putting it generously

        > so I am really pissed off, but not sure how much I should be aiming at Google, and how much at File Hippo

        What's more likely, Google paying File Hippo to bundle Chrome with other software, or (other) miscreants paying File Hippo to bundle (extra-)malware-ized versions Chrome?

        There are a million sites like File Hippo, but only one Google. Blame Google.

        And blame Mozilla for turning to shit. Firefox was LOVED by everyone for years, from the very beginning in 2004, really. Google didn't take that away, Mozilla lost it.

  15. mrmond

    Another vote for Classic Theme Restorer

    I don't know why people complain about Firefox changing so much.

    Install the extension, set it up how you like it. Done. You can even set it up as part of sync so it works on all your computers. I have it on My Laptop, Linux system and Win 10 tablet and all sport the classic FF look.

    We just have to hope the developer keeps on top of it ^^

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Another vote for Classic Theme Restorer

      Yeah, buncha whiners. I don't complain about the looks.

      I don't use CTR either. I tap ALT, there's the menu. Good enough.

      What burns me are the deeper changes CTR can't restore, the inclusion of Google spyware, the useless new features (Pocket, Sharing, Social Crap), breaking Firebug (the good parts), replacing it with the crappy new builtin devtools, the sloppy practice of releasing experimental nonstandard shit without config flags to disable it by default, and the feeling that Firefox devs aren't serious about improving performance and security.

  16. Kev99 Bronze badge

    That chart is misleading in my opinion. They obviously include every android phone in the market share numbers. Lose the toys and reflect the shares on real computers only and I wonder who would where.

  17. mediabeing

    I don't like the way you write, Simon Sharwood.

    You write coldly, without thought of what your readers might want to know on the subject.

    You told us Firefox is number TWO, but didn't bother to tell us who's number ONE. Bad move.

    You apparently threw this article together. Phooey.

    Next time, THINK about your readers! Sheesh.

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