back to article Good God, we've found a Google thing we like – the Pixel iPhone killer

Google is taking on the iPhone. At an event this morning in San Francisco, the web advertising giant took a huge leap into hardware with a range of new products aimed at taking on, and beating, the most popular consumer products on the market. Top of the list: the Google Pixel phone, which is aimed squarely at the iPhone. …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Trollface

    That's really nice. How many weeks before Google discontinue support though?

    1. Voland's right hand Silver badge
      Devil

      For the phones

      So far they have been relatively good on this front.

      Relatively means - old phones and tablets can be bricked by specific up/down-grades (f.e. there are 3 bootloader updates for my 2012 Nexus 7 which brick it). There is no guarantee that the phone will remain usable after an update (just ask all the people who have rolled back Android 5 to 4 on the older Nexus 7s). It will however continue to be updated for a long time.

      Not as good of a record as Apple (credit were credit is due - I am not a fan, but their support record for older hardware is quite good). It is however, the best record in the industry. Sony or Samsung - you get a couple of updates and that is it. Any of the tier 2 manufacturers - you might as well forget it.

      This is however, Google's "flagship", there, you will get support and updates, it will not just abandon it because the marketing fallout will be immense. If you are with any other product, especially an acquired one - you are really alone with the wolves.

      1. Seajay#

        Re: For the phones

        Samsung - you get a couple of updates and that is it.

        My S5 is 2.5 years old and two models behind the curve but I got a software update last week. I've got no idea what was updated but they have at least remembered I still exist.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      How long until Google decides ...

      ..."unlimited cloud storage for free" will not be unlimited or free?

      Also, when considering "the top 10 reasons why people stick with {Apple,Android}" did they consider that users may have paid apps that they do not want to buy again?

      I'd be more tempted to switch platforms if I got 20% of the price of the new hardware in credits to buy apps I've already purchased in the old platform.

      1. Gavin Ayling

        Re: How long until Google decides ...

        I've been trying to explain this to the world for ages. I cannot even consider the prospect of buying all my apps again, even if I was tempted by a Windows Phone. Also, all my movies and music...

        1. Tom 64
          Gimp

          Re: How long until Google decides ...

          ... so if you buy all your music from Apple, you cant port it to an android phone?

          That sucks, really, really badly. You have been made Apple's gimp.

          1. Tim99 Silver badge
            Gimp

            Re: How long until Google decides ...

            @Tom 64

            Not sure if you were serious, or not; but if you were:-

            iTunes =>Purchased =>Select All Tracks => Copy All; New Folder => Paste All.

          2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge
            Stop

            Re: How long until Google decides ...

            > ... so if you buy all your music from Apple, you cant port it to an android phone?

            Of course you can. I do (regularly). I use a Mac, started off with an iPhone 4, migrated over to Android and still sync my music and photos between the Mac and my most recent Android (soon to be a OnePlus 3 - I currently have a Oneplus One).

        2. jzl

          Re: How long until Google decides ...

          Tempted by this (or its successor in a few years), now that Apple have started removing headphone jacks.

          Windows Phone is a non-starter. My bank doesn't provide an app for it. My heating system doesn't have an app for it. My car doesn't have an app for it.

          1. Richard Jones 1
            Unhappy

            Re: How long until Google decides ...

            My phone has no interest in apps, or other stuff; it makes calls so why would everyone have to care about car apps, bank apps, and for that matter the heating needs no apps, just fingers. Interestingly so do phones, unless they have good voice control as the my present one does via its Blue-tooth headphone. The front door uses weird metal things, called keys, (yes plural). So no risk of my home having insecure hardware to be used for remote DDoS, turning the heating up to full blast or down to arctic levels, etc.

            I would still like to find a use for a phone of this type as obtaining good batteries for my old one is becoming very hard.

            However, the price is something of a huge turn off.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: How long until Google decides ...

              I agree. Why piss about hacking a smart lock when you can just throw a brick through a window?

              All these modern hipster burglars make me cringe with their fancy bijou crowbars and single gear getaway bikes.

              Bricks may be bourgeois but they get the job done.

              Also my music is cross platform. I just whistle and hum.

          2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            Re: How long until Google decides ...

            "Windows Phone is a non-starter. My bank doesn't provide an app for it. My heating system doesn't have an app for it. My car doesn't have an app for it."

            Put like that it starts to sound attractive: a phone that's a phone.

          3. BebopWeBop Silver badge
            Happy

            Re: How long until Google decides ...

            Oh dear, android + bank + car + heating - not looking good for your wealth, safety or comfort this winter.

        3. BasicChimpTheory

          Re: How long until Google decides ...

          Buying...apps.

          Buying...apps...?

          1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

            Re: How long until Google decides ...

            'Buying...apps.

            Buying...apps...?'

            Of course Apple users buy apps. They need to show they can.

            Google simply need to promote it as feature not a bug even if it goes against their corporate DNA.

        4. d3vy

          Re: How long until Google decides ...

          Don't know about movies, but apple don't from music any more.

          I know this because I don't have an iPhone but I have an iTunes account because some times they are better priced/have things that others don't.

          No problem dropping them on my android marshmallow phone.

          I believe they can also be uploaded to Google drive to stream and save space on the device, but I don't do that because I live up north and 4g is shite.

      2. Dagg
        Big Brother

        Re: How long until Google decides ...

        ..."unlimited cloud storage for free" will not be unlimited or free?

        Of course it is free, paid for by the NSA...

        1. Preston Munchensonton
          Black Helicopters

          Re: How long until Google decides ...

          Of course it is free, paid for by the NSA US taxpayers...

          FTFY...

      3. jzl

        Re: How long until Google decides ...

        Buy one from me for 30% more than list price and I'll give you 20% back to spend in the app store.

        Money is fungible. Does it matter if they give you credits or if you pay for apps yourself? No such thing as a free lunch.

        1. ItsNotATrap

          Re: How long until Google decides ...

          As things stand the OP won't even enter the restaurant.

    3. Bob Vistakin
      Facepalm

      VR out of the box - something Apple will start innovating now

      Once the Cupertino photocopiers have started up.

      And the best judges you can buy in Texas for those retrospective comedy patents.

    4. Anonymous Coward
  2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Coat

    Read it and weep

    Apple marketing veeps.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Read it and grin madly

      Apple patent lawyers.

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Read it and grin madly

        Imitation is the quickest route to a lawsuit, says salivating lawyer from Cupertino

        1. MrDamage

          Re: Read it and grin madly

          They can just say they were inspired by Braun designs of the 1950's, just like everyfuckingthing that Jony Ive has "designed".

          1. Hans 1 Silver badge
            Meh

            Re: Read it and grin madly

            > They can just say they were inspired by Braun designs of the 1950's

            1. Sorry to bring you this, but our imagination always takes inspiration from something, whatever you do.

            2. This is closer to the fruit of Ive's imagination, though, much closer, actually, than to Braun's design (better known as "Ulm school of design" style, I think) I did not look closely, but the thing looks like an iphone.

            Here, they have ripped off Apple's design more than ever and I know this is not a popular opinion on here. Sadly, when you rip off a design, you feed the lawyers ... don't do that, please!

            Could we have a "Don't feed the lawyers" icon, please ...

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Read it and grin madly

              No because the lawers would take them to count

              1. werdsmith Silver badge

                Re: Read it and grin madly

                And the accountants would take them to court.

            2. Indolent Wretch

              Re: Read it and grin madly

              It's a flat rectangle with round corners, a screen and exactly 3 holes on the front cover.

              Seriously the thing lawyers should be fighting is that it could ever be called a design.

      2. Squander Two

        Re: Read it and grin madly

        It's entirely possible that Google are simply paying Apple for a licence to use the patents. Not in Google's nature, I know, but the design does look too close for even them to try it on.

    2. the-it-slayer

      Re: Read it and weep

      I weep that anyone would call anything a "iPhone killer". It's lost its status of being an "iPhone killer" when it's called an "iPhone killer".

      Damn iPhone killers. Waving to try and get me to cross the road. No thanks.

  3. Fink-Nottle
    Paris Hilton

    That's weird, duuuuude!

    > the Pixel cases that Google displayed on the wall of one of the booths all had a round hole in the back. Why?

    Why indeed? And why does the position of the hole match the position of the fingerprint reader?

    For me, the hardware is secondary to Google's baked-in software and so a more sensible question would be - why did nobody think to ask how long Google will provide software updates for the device?

    1. Metrognome

      My thoughts exactly!

      Isn't he confusing the obligatory fingerprint sensor hole to what would need to be a second hole, way further down the back to reveal the logo?

      Still, there's only so much you can observe in 5 minutes which, frankly, is a pathetic amount of time given to journos.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: My thoughts exactly!

        Still, there's only so much you can observe in 5 minutes which, frankly, is a pathetic amount of time given to journos.

        Given that Google know how many people will attend, know how many phones they are providing, can do simple maths, it is clear that they INTENDED that journos would only get five minutes each to maul the device.

        Presumably there's something in the package that they don't want to be reported before the handful of captive bloggers and tame reviewers have been able to offer gushing reviews to the world. My complete guess is that the "something" that might be discovered in more than a few minutes is to do with privacy, either in the licence agreement or device settings.

  4. goldcd

    Yep - this is the phone to convert iOS users

    My issue is that it's " the phone to convert iOS users" and not really the phone their existing market actually wanted.

    And their conversion strategy was to make something that looks the same but is "slightly better" in every way.

    Bluntly I can't see anybody switching to Android solely on the basis of a slightly better camera, battery, VR experience, voice activated assistant and all the rest. It might be better, but you need to offer more to get people to switch their existing OS.

    As an existing Android user, I just feel "nice specs", but most of the features are software, which will be shortly available on equivalent phones costing half the price.

    In summary I have no issue with the continuation of the 'Pixel' range representing high-end google stuff - what I resent is the killing of the Nexus brand.

    1. Phil Kingston Silver badge

      Re: Yep - this is the phone to convert iOS users

      "And their conversion strategy was to make something that looks the same but is "slightly better" in every way."

      Not just looks the same, but is priced the same. Matched to the dollar for the 128GB variants (in Oz anyway).

      1. scarletherring

        Re: Yep - this is the phone to convert iOS users

        "Matched to the dollar"

        Which makes it more expensive, imho, given that you're still throwing all your personal / private data at the chocolate factory.

        1. Triggerfish

          Re: Yep - this is the phone to convert iOS users

          Talked to an iphone user and their first response at the price was, "why would anyone pay that much for an andriod phone?"

          That's what they have to overcome, don't think the specs have much to do with it.

          1. Version 1.0 Silver badge
            Happy

            Re: Yep - this is the phone to convert iOS users

            An iPhone look alike? Quite possible - I thing that the quality and usability of the Google phones have been going downhill for several years now. OK, so the Nexus line is a bit old now but they still feel like good phones. These new ones look like iPhones - why would I want one of those?

            I'm sticking with my Nexus 6 with wireless charging and Project Fi.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Yep - this is the phone to convert iOS users

      Bluntly I can't see anybody switching to Android solely on the basis of a slightly better camera, battery, VR experience, voice activated assistant and all the rest. It might be better, but you need to offer more to get people to switch their existing OS.

      .. like not spying on users, and making them agree to let you keep that data into perpetuity (you may want to actually read the conditions for a change). Not going to happen, not just because I value the privacy of my family but also I actually have a professional duty to protect my clients.

      1. Spanners Silver badge
        Paris Hilton

        Re: Yep - this is the phone to convert iOS users

        . like not spying on users, and making them agree to let you keep that data into perpetuity (you may want to actually read the conditions for a change). Not going to happen, not just because I value the privacy of my family but also I actually have a professional duty to protect my clients.

        Like having a UI that isn't basically unchanged since the iPod Touch?

        Like not being the "must have" for wannabe Beautiful People and the terminally uninformed?

        Like being a smartphone rather than a fashion accessory?

  5. kensal
    1. Roger Greenwood

      Well you can piss right off - I know the start of a Vogon poem when I see one.

      1. Kane Silver badge
        Alien

        "Well you can piss right off - I know the start of a Vogon poem when I see one."

        Oh freddled gruntbuggly,

        Thy micturations are to me,

        As plurdled gabbleblotchits,

        On a lurgid bee,

        That mordiously hath blurted out,

        Its earted jurtles,

        Into a rancid festering confectious organ squealer.

        Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles,

        Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts,

        And living glupules frart and slipulate,

        Like jowling meated liverslime,

        Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turling dromes,

        And hooptiously drangle me,

        With crinkly bindlewurdles,

        Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon,

        See if I don't!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Well you can piss right off - I know the start of a Vogon poem when I see one.

        QOTW :)

      3. David Nash Silver badge

        Start of a Vogon poem?

        I was going to upvote but current upvotes=42, how could I ruin that?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fanboy alert

    Google have copied shortcuts to settings from Apple?

    1. Planty Bronze badge
      FAIL

      Re: Fanboy alert

      Indeed, this whole thing reads like a Google we hater.

      "and, according to Brian Rakowski, VP of product management, it has "the best smartphone camera anyone has ever made."

      Nope, DXO scientifically measured it and came to that conclusion.

      1. messele

        Re: Fanboy alert

        Except in the real world lack of OIS makes all those static lab tests utterly moot. I don't care how fancy software is, you cannot emulate a corrective lens. DxOmark has never made any sense to me.

        I take it that it's underwater photography performance is just as great. Oh, you are out of date on that too DxO?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Fanboy alert

          You don't understand it because it's science, not a paid review that you get elsewhere.

          DXO is as trustworthy as it gets. All the methods and results are clearly explained, and there is no room to fake or fudge results. The only potential for payments, is "here have some money to review our phone", not the outcome. All products are measured in the same scientific way.

    2. fandom Silver badge

      Re: Fanboy alert

      And swipe notifications, don't forget them

    3. phuzz Silver badge
      Gimp

      Re: Fanboy alert

      "Google have copied shortcuts to settings from Apple?"

      Maybe Google did copy them from Apple, but if they did they missed the opportunity to copy them from Cyanogenmod several years ago, certainly before iOS used them.

      You'd think that porting a feature from a fork of android would be easier than copying Apple.

    4. Steve Evans

      Re: Fanboy alert

      I suspect the author has never used an Android device in his life... Notifications copied from iOS? Errr, I think he'll find that iOS copied them from Android, quite a few years ago!

      Oh well, at least we know where all the Apple Fanboys have moved to since the Verge and Guardian started to escape the distortion field... Bad news for El Reg.

      Or have we all just been trolled?

      Bad El Reg... BAD!

    5. Darryl

      Re: Fanboy alert

      What can you expect from a reviewer who gave 4 out of 5 stars for an Apple wireless keyboard that made his wrists ache, didn't connect to his Mac, and some of the keys didn't do what they were advertised to do.

      Why this guy is reviewing anything not made by his fruity saviour, I have no idea.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "It's almost as if Google wrote down the top 10 reasons why people stick with Apple's pricier product and didn't stop until they'd crossed each one out"

    And now its almost as if Nexus 5 owners looking to upgrade wrote down the main reason why they bought a Nexus 5 (i.e. sensibly priced fully supported Android phone) and realized that Google were no longer interested in their business. At £599+ a Pixel phone is not going to be on my list.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It's like Google don't understand why Android owns the market. It's not £599 phones that got them there....

    2. Champ

      Yep - I was thinking I might replace my Nexus 5X when the new devices were announced, so went to have a look yesterday. And then saw the price and thought "Fuck that".

      1. Fihart

        @ Champ The price ain't right.

        Too right. Friend's seriously smashed up Nexus (of some vintage) was a cue for me to suggest a Moto G3 or G4 as happily owned by other friends. He found a G3 for £90 and while he thought it slightly slower than the Nexus, happy at the price.

    3. Tony Paulazzo

      And that's for the poxy 32GB model. With no expandable storage and VR (+ music etc) storage demands you're gonna need the 128 GB version for £700 (or £819 for the 5.5 phone).

      Google can get bent!

      I guess they've just become another corporation now - profit being the be all and end all...

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        "I guess they've just become another corporation now - profit being the be all and end all..."

        Now????

      2. BebopWeBop Silver badge

        I guess they've just become another corporation now - profit being the be all and end all...

        When did they ever stop?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A few questions

    Can you use a fine point stylus with it for writing notes?

    How good is the phone side of things, making and receiving calls?

    Does it have space for two sim cards and if not how easy is it to change one?

    What is the largest memory card you can plug in?

    1. Magani
      Unhappy

      Re: A few questions

      What is the largest memory card you can plug in?

      A big fat ZERO.

      No card slot, no removable battery. Hence for me, zero interest.

      Also for the folks in the Greater Antipodes, it would seem that you can have Google's latest toy on a plan with any provider you want as long as their name starts with 'T' and ends with 'elstra'.

      1. sabroni Silver badge

        Re: No card slot

        Yeah, but unlimited online cloud storage!

        Now stop trying to keep your own data and start uploading!!!

        1. Marco van de Voort

          Re: No card slot

          Yeah, and forget about people that live outside silicon valley or major cities without permanent high speed internet. Or people that go on holiday there ;_)

  9. Voland's right hand Silver badge
    Thumb Down

    Err, written by a fanboy who has not seen a decent android phone

    Gawd, that was written by someone seriously brainwashed by the Apple church.

    Best camera. Bollocks. Z4 has a better one and Huawei Honor has been shipping the same one for nearly half a year. This is "general purpose" devices in the same price bracket. Several "specialty phones" have been shipping with dual optics, etc which provide better pictures for nearly a year now.

    Sure, it is loaded with latest Google OS which has improved quite a bit over the years and is now responsive even on mid-range phones. That for us who have been using it for the last years is NOT a revelation. I know it is for an Apple addict, but for the rest of the world it is not.

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: Err, written by a fanboy who has not seen a decent android phone

      As someone that has purchased and used several Android phones over the years, each time hoping they have fixed the UI that I can't stand, this article gave me hope that there actually is a decent Android phone out there for me. One that I could get along with.

      Guess it's just the same old same old mess then.

    2. Philip Storry

      Re: Err, written by a fanboy who has not seen a decent android phone

      Ah, but it's the best camera according to DxO! Who do scientific measurements, and everything!

      What I suspect we're starting to see is manufacturers gaming that system. Good stats don't necessarily make a good camera, especially if your output is JPEG. I can fix a lot with a good RAW converter/editor, and it's true that many phones now allow RAW shooting.

      But let's be honest. It's a phone. You're going to want to shoot JPEG, so that you can actually use the photos. And that means that for all we know, this phone might use exactly the same sensor as the other phones it beat by a couple of points - but just has a different tone curve and a slightly less aggressive JPEG engine. Which would probably be just enough to gain a point here and a point there in the tests... and suddenly you're the best phone camera available!

      When you what's being tested, being best becomes *so* much easier.

  10. Bloodbeastterror

    The real killer item is the price

    A couple of years ago when I first heard that the new Nexus 6 would be enormous I swore I wouldn't touch it - I was happy with my Nexus 5, which is still a beautiful little machine. But I did - I relented and paid £549 plus £10 delivery, and I don't regret it. The N6 is still a wonderful piece of kit.

    But that was a one-off. No matter how great the Pixel camera is (I don't take that many photos), or how great Assistant is (I hate talking to inanimate objects because it makes me look and feel like a dork), there's no way in the world that I'll pay iSheep prices when there are other brilliant devices out there at a fraction of the Pixel price. Is either Pixel really worth £270 more than the Oneplus 3? Not to me it isn't...

  11. Wintermute

    Pity it doesn't run iOS though.

    1. JustNiz

      @Wintermoute: Pity it doesn't run iOS though.

      No it really isn't a pity. iOS and its corresponding lock-in to the Apple walled garden sucks badly compared to Android.

      1. CheesyTheClown

        Uh... what?

        I tend to hear this walled garden thing only from Android users who have locked themselves into Google's infrastructure for life.

        Android is just as much of a lock-in as Apple.

        That said, I can easily take all my Apple media and strip the DRM and play it on any phone or PC.

        As for apps, Apps only work on the OS you bought them for.

        1. MrDamage

          Re: Uh... what?

          > "Android is just as much of a lock-in as Apple."

          Not really.

          Think of Apple's walled garden being exactly that. A great, big, fuckoff wall. Some things (movies, music) you can take outside the wall with some fucking around, but your apps you can move to another manufacturers device.

          Android is more like the standard wire fence topped with barbed wire. You can easily move between paddocks (manufacturers) with minimal of fuss. Music and movies tend not to be DRM'd either, and can be moved about without proprietary software.

          1. Yves Kurisaki

            Re: Uh... what?

            Have you ever tried using an Android phone without a Google account?

            I don't think you understand the concept of 'lock-in'

            1. VinceH Silver badge

              Re: Uh... what?

              "Have you ever tried using an Android phone without a Google account?"

              Yes, sort of.

              You are 'locked in' for the purpose of downloading [your] apps from the Play Store - so what I did was sign into my Google account to initially download the apps I use. There's no way to then sign out, so I then simply removed the account from the phone*.

              If I ever want to download another app (or if I need to update an existing one), I'll have to sign in again, which is fair enough - but I'll then sign back out by removing the account again.

              So it's a partial lock-in AFAIC - although my reason for doing it is pure tinfoil-hattery because of Google's slurpy reputation.

              * Edit: To clarify, I say initially, but in practice, I only decided to do this a couple of months ago (ish) - so that initial period ran from when I bought the phone until then. So far, however, running without being signed in has not been a problem.

            2. Planty Bronze badge
              FAIL

              Re: Uh... what?

              Yes, and all the functions on the phone work just fine. I can use the built in apps, I can use the Internet, and even the Email app. It's definitely works just fine.

              You of course get more, if you do want the Google stuff, but it's perfectly optional. Android has no lock in at all. You aren't forced to use Google services, and you aren't forced to use Google hardware, you can pick from basically any other hardware manufacturer except Apple, all your stuff will continue to work just fine (most phones come with migration tools that don't assume Google services).

        2. tony
          Gimp

          Re: Uh... what?

          > Android is just as much of a lock-in as Apple.

          Exactly, when I next decide to upgrade i'll stick to the same garden a) because all my stuff is already in that garden and b) going through the process of setting up a new phone with all the settings I've forgotten I've set over the years isn't appealing.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I'm thankful it doesn't. I would hate to be lumbered with the crap multitasking, battery hogging and insecure iOS.

      Android is several generations ahead in most areas, and apple are trying (and failing) to play catch-up.

      Can you even transfer files by Bluetooth on iOS yet? Can you one tap NFC pairing yet? Dies iOS have scheduled long running background services yet? Can I set my own ringtone? Can I use my own launcher? The list is endless

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Can you even transfer files by Bluetooth on iOS yet? Can you one tap NFC pairing yet? Dies iOS have scheduled long running background services yet? Can I set my own ringtone? Can I use my own launcher? The list is endless

        The above suggests you have never actually been near an iOS device, let alone tried to use one. Even the most basic Internet research would have shown you that quite a number of those assertions are wrong, so I call "Trump" on your comment.

  12. Unicornpiss Silver badge
    Trollface

    I hope...

    ..they didn't copy the gawdawful iPhone keyboard. Swype works great.

    I actually really like the Android OS quite a bit. Having to support iPhones at work, it's iOS that feels awfully clunky and dated to me. It seems like Apple always bakes in features that they think are innovative but have little practical use for most people.

    I will keep my:

    -Logical, consistent menu system

    -Lack of annoying password and other popups that steal focus.

    -Ability to easily cast my screen to devices other than Apple TV.

    -SD card slot

    -IR remote emitter

    -Removable battery

    -File transfer options (which iOS lacks)

    -Accessible file system

    -Display that doesn't shatter if you look at it askance.

    -Never will I miss iTunes.

    1. Sam Adams the Dog

      Re: I hope...

      Hmm... gotta say... I've been using Android phone since it first came out; currently with a paid-off T-Mobile G3 running 6.0.

      I have to say I've tried 3 or 4 Android keyboards, including Swype and have found them all awful.

      I also assumed iPhone keyboards must be better, but maybe not. I suspect all cell-phone keyboards are awful. I wish we could get a built-in stylus and use Grafiti, like the early Palms. (I once had a Samsung with a mechanical keyboard, and didn't like it either.)

      A finger banging or sliding across a small LED screen is a terrible input method.

      1. Barry Rueger Silver badge

        Re: I hope...

        I have to say I've tried 3 or 4 Android keyboards, including Swype and have found them all awful.

        If you look around you can find an apk for BlackBerry's keyboard.

        For my money it's the best. I can actually compose multi-paragraph messages on my phone with minimal pain.

      2. Scoured Frisbee

        Re: I hope...

        There is a graffiti keyboard, and you can get a capacitive stylus - I've not seen a case with a pen-slot though.

        That said, now that I have been Swyping since WM days, I am much faster than I ever was even with the physical BB or Palm keyboard. I became a Swype convert when I realized I could type to around 80% accuracy without looking at the phone at all - even with the physical keyboards I had a hard time with that.

      3. Unicornpiss Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: I hope...

        A finger banging is an awful input method, I must agree...

  13. JustNiz

    Card slot: No

    Battery: Non-removable

    FAIL.

    1. Planty Bronze badge
      FAIL

      Card slots are fail. Nobody wants to manage split storage.

      1. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

        I want split storage. I want all my photos and videos and apps on an SD card , and absolutely nothing on the internal storage, so I'll have room for OS updates. how annoying is it to have to start deleting stuff so you can do an upgrade? Keep all your stuff on SD, and that polices itself.

      2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge
        FAIL

        >Card slots are fail. Nobody wants to manage split storage.

        You obviously haven't used Android 6 or 7. SD cards are now mounted as RAID 0 so you have contiguous storage. Of course, SD cards are not made to the same standard as the built-in flash so you risk losing all your stuff when it fails but that's a different issue..

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          You obviously haven't used Android 6 or 7.

          Neither have you. The OS supports it, try and find a manufacturer that DOES it. You won't. The reason being, SD storage is massively slower, nobody wants a dog slow phone. No amount of fast SD card will make up for slow external SD interfaces.

          1. Charles 9 Silver badge

            Re: You obviously haven't used Android 6 or 7.

            Not that much slower if you buy a card with good speed ratings. Try using a UHS-1 or better rated SD card and you'll find yourself rarely wanting. Plus it keeps data safe from factory resets and facilitates easy migration when it's time to switch phones.

        2. Fihart

          @CrazyOldCatMan SD cards safer...

          ....than pictures on an iPhone dunked in a toilet.

      3. JustNiz

        I PREFER split storage. I like knowing and being able to control exactly what goes on the removeable and built-in parts.

    2. DryBones

      Apple phones don't have them either and get lapped up like candy. It's less important than you think.

  14. Oh Bother
    Unhappy

    Onboard storage

    I see they've copied apple for onboard storage too.

    32 GB, probably not quite enough. Oh well, your only other choice is 128 GB.

  15. W Donelson

    I love iPhones, and this is NICE! But...

    Nice work, Google!

    But only one thing here is better than the iPhone:

    USB-C

  16. kmac499

    Worth reading even if only for the Jony-Ive comments, Which I suppose boil down to

    "OK fanbois this is how it should've been done"

    Just the battery and SD card to get right yet guys...

    1. Planty Bronze badge
      Thumb Down

      What's the obsession with battery and SD cards? My Nexus is now 3 years old, and battery is perfect. I also fail to grasp my you would waste your time trying to fit your entire digital life on your phones really slow, split storage as card, waiting for someone to grab if you ever lose it.

      32gb is more than enough for smartly pinned offline content, on the rare occasion you arent online.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Clearly...

        ...you've never wanted to take a bunch of movies on holidays / business trips, or have a bunch of cartoons to hand to keep the kids happy when stuck in a traffic jam. And no, I would not want to accidentally access Pixel's cloud storage when on roaming rates...

        1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge
          Thumb Down

          Re: Clearly...

          > ...you've never wanted to take a bunch of movies on holidays / business trips

          ..and can't work out how to put your phone into USB host mode.. (I have a largeish USB SSD and a small extension cable - plug it into the bottom of my phone in USB host mode and move stuff to and fro.).

        2. David Paul Morgan

          Re: Clearly...

          OTG and a memory stick.

          Which is why I'm now seriously considering either the oneplus 3 (or will stump up for the 128GB version of the Pixel).

          32GB is a bit too small for me.

          I like the way that this model shuffles your full quality pictures into Google Photos.

          1. Charles 9 Silver badge

            Re: Clearly...

            You can't CHARGE the phone when you use OTG, which is a concern with long trips.

      2. Chika
        Mushroom

        What's the obsession with battery and SD cards? My Nexus is now 3 years old, and battery is perfect. I also fail to grasp my you would waste your time trying to fit your entire digital life on your phones really slow, split storage as card, waiting for someone to grab if you ever lose it.

        Well I know what my obsession is with non-removable batteries, especially when the phone is as expensive as this. Given my recent run-in with an expanding overheated battery in my otherwise sealed Honor 6 unit, although I managed to replace it myself for the price of a replacement battery, I know exactly what my obsession is. (So do quite a large number of recent Samsung users!)

        As for this continual harping on about "split storage", I still don't trust any cloud provider with my data. I have enough to do keeping my browsing out of the grubby mitts of people like Google and slimes like the NSA without all that.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        At Planty re 32Gigs.

        I've got enough audio books to nearly fill a 256Gb SD card. I've got over 1.5Tb of music. I've got enough e.books to choke a server. There's no way in hell I can eviscerate all that media down to a mere 32Gb, especially not if that space also has to store apps, app data, OS updates, etc. Even the 128Gb model isn't enough, especially if you ever end up in areas of no cell coverage, no wifi coverage, & must therefor rely upon only what's in the phone at the time. "But there's ubiquitous coverage everywhere!" is such a load of shite you need to be bitch slapped. NO it is NOT ubiquitous. Maybe where YOU live but not in 90% of the rest of the world. Outside a freeway corridore, major metropolitan area (& sometimes not even there given dead zones), or outside the carrier's actual store, you can't count on being able to connect at all to "the cloud". No cloud means no streaming, no syncing, & no getting your media from anywhere not already on the phone. So what to do then? Will you be happy with what's on your phone *right now*? Because that's it, no signal means no more options.

        Don't scoff at the desire for expandable storage. There are more reasons to want it than mere capacity in the phones. Once you're strapped into the bus/plane/train seat & see that you've got zero signal, THEN you'll understand the desire to be able to take "your digital life with you".

    2. Unicornpiss Silver badge

      "Ok fanbois this is how it should've been done"

      --still utterly despise Apple's UI. Just saying. The Linux (and Android) folks apparently realized long ago that when an OS tries to think for you, it gets your intention wrong a huge proportion of the time. (for me, that's for sure)

  17. DougS Silver badge

    They also copied the price

    Android fans constantly complain about several things about the iPhone: 1) lack of SD slot, 2) lack of removable battery, 3) overly large bezel, 4) high price - even the $100 premium to move up to the next storage tier

    This phone copied all four of those features exactly from the iPhone, so if Android fans go gaga over it, they've never got any room to complain about Apple again. :)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: They also copied the price

      No no, the higher price is a major selling factor for the iPhone (as in "reassuringly expensive").

  18. JeffyPoooh Silver badge
    Pint

    You had me at...

    "3.5mm headphone jack"

    WINNER!!

    1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Re: You had me at...

      >"3.5mm headphone jack"

      >WINNER!!

      If only someone sold really, really good cordless headphones..

      What's that you say? They do?

      Oh.

      1. Darryl

        Re: You had me at...

        If only someone sold really really good corded headphones at a small fraction of the cost of cordless ones, which also have the added benefits of being harder to lose, no charging needed...

    2. David Paul Morgan

      Re: You had me at...

      I know a lot of people like cabled headphones, but I havn't used them since my Xperia Z1C and my Sony noise-cancelling bluetooth headphones. NFC tap-to-play - brilliant.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Awww thats sad

    Sad they had to copy the iPhone 4 to get sales of the thing. Cross out the privacy issues with anything Google related and the bloated interface of what Android is and maybe I'll think about it. But now with that old design I'd rather have an iPhone 7. Can't do its copy, the Samsung line as they explode. So iPhone 7 it is!

    1. DryBones

      Re: Awww thats sad

      1) Rubbish. All phones look very similar these days, that's what happens when designing following the concept of minimalism. The designers put on their big boy pants and stop faffing around with stupid bodywork that serves no purpose.

      2) Turn off personalized ads. I seem to recall Apple advertises too, don't they? If they're not doing some sort of analytics they're not getting much for their impressions because they're poorly targeted. If they -are- ... oh dear. That would make them the same as Google.

      3) This is pronounced "Nexus" (The 5X and 6P, to be specific).

      4) See 1.

      5) Have fun not knowing (3.5mm) jack!

      1. DougS Silver badge

        Re: Awww thats sad

        Apple doesn't collect your personal data to sell to marketers. Google does. That's ALL Google does - that's literally their entire business! Time you accepted that.

        The only thing Apple does with targeted advertising is that it has its own ad network that is an option for developers to use in iPhone apps. Those apps don't get any personally identifying info unless you give it to them. Most use other advertising networks because they are less picky about the ads that allowed and the information they're allowed to use (i.e. the others are more willing to screw you over, so they pay better)

        1. fandom Silver badge

          Re: Awww thats sad

          Don't be absurd, Google don't sell your personal data, that's their biggest asset.

          They sell ad placement based on that data that nobody else gets to see.

          1. messele

            Re: Awww thats sad

            No you are right, Google doesn't actually sell the raw data that they are collecting from you every second of the day. More like they sell data and services derived from the common pool of data collected.

            They do however still themselves know an extraordinary amount of data about anybody who routinely uses any of their services, even indirectly, and they are manoeuvring themselves into a position where they are the expert on every nuance of information about you.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Awww thats sad

          What's sad, is Apple sell your data too, you just don't realise it. You somehow think payign £200 over the odds for your mid-range Apple thing somehow means they don't sell your data. Go read the privacy policies, they are doing EXACTLY the same as Google (and Microsoft, and Facebook, and Yahoo, and Linked-In, and Twitter).

          1. DougS Silver badge

            Re: Awww thats sad

            Sorry AC, but you're wrong on that. Perhaps you ought to actually READ Apple's privacy policy and compare it with Google's before making such a stupid statement.

  20. Barry Rueger Silver badge

    Sigh.The Cloud.

    Run out of storage space for your pics and videos? Google is offering unlimited storage (in the cloud) for free.

    Is Canada the only place where wireless companies rob you blind for data?

    Unlimited cloud storage is of limited use when you're only getting one or two gigs a month.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sigh.The Cloud.

      Exactly. Unless you have unlimited bandwidth with no data caps, throttling, or roaming charges then this isn't a viable option. The fact that many cellular carriers charge exorbitant prices for bandwidth, have stupidly low data caps, charge even more for roaming data use, & generally rape you for daring to want to USE your data plan, Google's offer of supposedly unlimited storage is pointless. We can't afford to USE any of it, will die of old age before most of our data can be transferred "to the cloud", & that all assumes that we have a signal with which to synch. Here in the States it's notoriously crappy anywhere other than along a freeway corridore, in a major metro area, or inside the carrier store itself. The moment you leave the freeway, go outside the city, or exit their store your signal goes to shit. If you only have one bar & are forced into 2G/3G modes then you're not going to be doing anything "in the cloud" anytime soon. It'll take you longer to read your email than your battery will last, so uploading that 12MegaPixel image isn't gonna happen.

      The fact that it has no SD capability so we can take our music, movies, & files with us on trips that won't have adequate coverage (or any at all) other than the onboard storage that will fill up quickly with apps, games, & OS updates, that pretty much kills it right there. If we can't GET a signal then we can't stream music, Netflix, or anything else to keep us busy on that long plane flight. (Don't assume there will be cell/wifi on the plane, nor that they won't charge you out the arse to access it.)

      *Sigh* Google, you were SO close with this phone. An SD slot, removable battery, & a price that didn't feel like an Apple raping... Evidently you decided to not merely emulate the fruity fucker but BECOME them. Pity. I guess I'll keep my money rather than give it to you...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sigh.The Cloud.

      Had to get a local sim on a trip to Ottawa a couple of years ago - seriously eye watering prices. Not least as I had unlimited calls and data in the UK for 15 quid a month at the time.

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: Sigh.The Cloud.

        If people only accessed data through their cellphone service then yes, but all that unlimited storage is available to you when you connect using the WiFi. I rarely have to go on the mobile data for anything significant. There is so much WiFi, home, office, high street.

        1. David Nash Silver badge

          Re: Sigh.The Cloud.

          "There is so much WiFi, home, office, high street."

          Home - Check

          Office - Some offices. I dare say some don't want people connecting non-business phones to it, and some don't have wifi probably. Some people don't even work in offices.

          High Street - Check....oops out of range...next...check! Oh, got to sign in....next...Hm, dodgy signal...next...insecure, nope give that one a miss...next...Oh sod it I'll try mobile data...

          But if you are away from these places then you are reliant on mobile data. Trains for example. and the service just isn't good enough.

          I don't understand why some people are apparently rejecting the idea that some of us have good use cases for SD cards. Why do you care?

  21. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge
    Meh

    Another one

    Looks like any number of "flagship" phones but costs up to 50% more. The radio is a bit better, the camera a bit worse, and the microSD slot is gone. Lenovo/Moto, Axon, Sony, etc.

  22. Andrew Jones 2

    "from the swipe notifications to the quick access to key settings and applications."

    Sorry - are you taking the piss? You do know Android has had swipeable notifications and quick settings (natively) since KitKat (Android 4) ?!

  23. Adam 1 Silver badge

    is there a Pixel 5c?

    You know, the one with a 5% slower CPU, a bit less glass and aluminium and a bit more plastic, a camera with a smidgen less terapixels but with a pricetag that more resembles the Nexus 5?

  24. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    Kieren, I love you

    The new Pixel phones are available to order now.

    Not a needless prefix in sight. Can someone please pass the memo on the other hacks?

    As for the review: not sure what slide notifications or quick access to settings are but I think Android had both before IOS. The two OS have been growing closer together in look and feel since Apple dropped the skeuomorphic shit.

  25. Bob Rocket

    SD cards and Batteries

    Not everyone has need for extra storage or battery capacity all the time so it makes sense to have these facilities in an external device.

    A single USB3 device that has SSD, Battery and USB hub all in one (you could put a keyboard and trackpad on there as well)

    1. Dan McIntyre

      Re: SD cards and Batteries

      You mean kinda like, oh I dunno, a laptop...?

      1. Bob Rocket

        Re: SD cards and Batteries

        No, not like a laptop at all.

        A plug in device the same size/shape as the phone that provides

        1. a fold out keyboard with trackpad (because you whinge about onscreen keyboards)

        2. extra battery capacity (because you fly 17 hours a day)

        3. more storage (because you carry 10,000 hours of video on your person at all times)

        4. extra USB ports (because you can)

        In the unlikely event that you are only going to the Pub for the evening, you can leave it at home and only take the phone.

        1. Charles 9 Silver badge

          Re: SD cards and Batteries

          IOW, a docking station. Not a bad idea if one existed, but last I checked you can't use USB on the go AND charge at the same time unless you use USB Type-C. So for listening to music on an external device for a transoceanic flight, you're in a dilemma.

  26. Yves Kurisaki

    So Google finally made an iPhone

    It even costs as much as the iPhone.

    Where are the "Apple copies everyone but Google is great" evangelists now?

  27. messele

    Doesn't matter how great any aspect of the physical specifications are...

    ...Google is and will always be HAL 9000 in your pocket and any loss of focus on this fact is a very dangerous thing.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Doesn't matter how great any aspect of the physical specifications are...

      Maybe closer to the marketing department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.

      1. Chika

        Re: Doesn't matter how great any aspect of the physical specifications are...

        ...and when it breaks down or starts to annoy...

  28. jzl

    People will pay for that?

    Google is the world's biggest advertising agency.

    They're persuading people to pay them to walk around with a Google-provided GPS locator beacon.

    That is genius. Kudos.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    iPhone frustrations

    built-in battery? yep

    no sd card? yessir!

    next!

    1. Doc Ock

      Re: iPhone frustrations

      Upvote, no SD slot is a must have for my usage.

      No SD slot ?

      No Thanks.

      1. Charles 9 Silver badge

        Re: iPhone frustrations

        "Upvote, no SD slot is a must have for my usage."

        I hope that's sarcasm since I can't conceive a use case where you MUST NOT have an SD slot.

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    it's revolutionary

    the battery will last you 1.1 days! BUY NOW!!!!

  31. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    For Google, Europe, as usual...

    ... has only two countries: UK and Germany.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: For Google, Europe, as usual...

      That's one better than most Americans can usually think of.

      1. Spanners Silver badge
        Flame

        Re: For Google, Europe, as usual...

        And two better than Google tends to think of.

  32. Czrly

    In 2016: If it isn't water-resistant, I'm not interested.

    Since the beginning: If it doesn't have an SD-card slot, I'm not interested.

    Since the beginning: If the bootloader and recovery are locked in a way that I can't unlock, I'm not interested.

    I honestly hate Sony with a passion (for their bloatware, ad-ware, business practices and DRM and "acquisitive" corporate anti-competitive strategy...) but I have to say that I have high hopes for Sony's open device programme. I am stuck on an old Xperia Z1 for the moment, but it's rooted and that makes it brilliant - everything just works and the bloatware is gone. It has all of the three features mentioned above and would work out the box for consumer use, too.

    All I want is more of the same - better batteries and Gorilla Glass for longevity.

    Oh... and Android had that notification bar with the ability to swipe down (and then in various other directions for various other effects) while iOS was still showing modal pop-up dialogue boxes and Apple were still trying to convince the user-base that true multi-tasking wasn't a real requirement. Get your facts straight!

  33. Pen-y-gors Silver badge

    $649?

    I thought you only paid the Apple tax on Apple products?

  34. Syntax Error

    Motorola

    We've been here before with Google. Google are not a serious player in anything apart from search engines and advertising.

  35. Nameless Faceless Computer User

    Read the fine print

    Using Google's cloud storage, read the fine print. You are prohibited from storing a long list of prohibited content, begging the question how would they know and why would they care? Perhaps because they're a bit too generous with sharing your files with the world.

    When you upload or otherwise submit content to our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps).

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Read the fine print

      I'd almost like to buy one of these, just to use the unlimited space to store a folder called - Dossier On How Google Are Taking Over The World. I'd just fill it with every piece of nefarious dealing they do over the years, and make plans for submitting the work as evidence in a trial to get google's business practices stopped.

      I'd love to see how they used that content for their benefit :)

  36. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

    "unlimited cloud storage for free"

    I read that and for some reason it felt like there are rather sinister overtones. I'm sure I'm wrong though...they wouldn't really be offering to store all of my stuff, just so they can mine my personal data in order to sell targeted advertising.....would they?

  37. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "Google is offering unlimited storage (in the cloud) for free."

    Until "some users are abusing it" etc. We've been there before.

    1. Faceless Man

      Users abusing it...

      "You know, we offered them free, unlimited space, and some people actually had the temerity to think they could store as much as they liked on it..."

  38. David Lawton

    Why does it have to be an iPhone killer? I hate that term. Feels like companies are always trying to beat Apple and 'kill them'. Well since the iPhone seems to be the bar everyone tries to beat, may as well just have an iPhone.

    One day the competition might just get on with trying to do their best instead of trying to compare them selves to Apple all the time, but no, they must make iPhone killers, iPad killers or Macbook killers.

    1. Spanners Silver badge
      Facepalm

      @David Lawton

      The iPhone was killed a while ago. They make up less than 10% of new sales. The rest are Android with the rest hidden in the rounding error somewhere.

      iPhones are generally a couple of years behind technically. The interface screen looks pretty much the same as it did when it was on the iPod Touch. It has been happily copying what it sees as good ideas from other peoiple but not a decent UI.

      Nobody is copying Apple but if they want to copy others, this may help.

      1. the-it-slayer

        Re: @David Lawton

        Eh? Technically behind?

        They're updated every year mate. There's only so much innovation you can do until technology limits new ideas on the software side. So no surprise they're copying each other. The golden era is over. The iOS UI doesn't get changed radically to not piss off users. It works fine. Android on the other hand is annoying. The only Android experience I have to put up with is the gaming console thing I have that has KitKat. Ouch.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: @David Lawton

          "annoying". Right. That's a valid criticism.

  39. Merchman
    WTF?

    Phone build

    <quote>Plasticky, cheap feeling case – gone. The new phones are solid and metallic.</quote>

    I take it you've never picked up an Nexus phone then?

  40. TheOtherHobbes

    Google have already lost this one.

    To win, they had to get everyone saying "Wow, did you see what that incredible AI could do!"

    Instead, everyone is talking about whether the phone really is good as an iPhone. This is not a very interesting place for Google to be.

    1. Charles 9 Silver badge

      And to get there you'd pretty much have to have it pass a Turing Test: a bridge too far.

  41. RyokuMas Silver badge
    Devil

    So let me get this straight...

    Having pretty much hardwired their services into Android, Google are now bringing out their hardware own hardware to run it on.

    Doubtless the next step will be very similar to how they forced Chrome up to the number 1 browser spot - a very obvious call-to-action on their search results page (with Chrome for Android and Google search being the defaults, natch), saying "why not upgrade your handset to a faster, more secure, more reliable model?" and linking through to the store.

    After that, maybe a few zero-day issues in new versions of Android that get fixed overnight on the Pixel handsets while everyone else is forced to languish?

    And to top it all off - "unlimited cloud storage". That's a double whammy of pushing everyone towards the Google cloud, while also effectively undercutting the competition - tantamount to the anticompetitive, widely illegal practice of predatory pricing.

    And people still think this is not a monopolistic behaviour?

    At least on patch Tuesday, Microsoft patch everyone's machine* regardless of hardware vendor.

  42. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    iClone.

  43. lukewarmdog

    Google - "oh frabjous day, we've made an iPhone!"

    Apple fanboys : "why?"

    Android fanboys : "why?"

    Apple lawyers "woohoo, payday"

  44. Spanners Silver badge
    Pint

    Copying Apple would loose them money

    Whilst there are certainly a lot of reasons to buy Android phones - price, functionality, battery etc - there is some reasons to not buy Apple including Apple business practices, being treated like a moron, restrictions and so on. One of the biggest is that their phones look #shiny and distinctly dated. Many Android users might keep away from something that aped what they are happily not using.

    I have not seem many pictures but, fortunately, it does not look like an iThing. It looks like a phone. Glass on one side, metal or whatever on the other, rounded corners(!) and so on.

  45. tiggity Silver badge

    phone range

    Get some publicity with an iPhone clone if you want Google, but a range of models with more affordable prices would have been nice

    Would far sooner see additional Google phone at an attractive price (and with SD slot as must have) rather than something copying iPhone high price , lack of card slot (though Google have track record of no SD card on their phones - e.g. see Nexus)

    Happy to have a bit of plastic, bog standard camera (I have a proper camera, all phone camera will do is take the odd snap / cat video style of junk so no need for best in class quality)

    Cheap and cheerful android with space for media on SD (streaming needs decent signal & eats costly bandwidth, handy to have phone doubling as MP3 player) and regular security updates is all I need (and doubt I am alone with such simple needs) without the warranty voiding of root & modded ROM.

  46. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I like lots of Google things

    It's Microsoft, Apple and Facebook the ones pushing out the crap.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I like lots of Google things

      Every giant corporation of America does because of the mentality that money is the primacy of life.

      A lot of companies around the world also follow the same principles, although they are often more subtle about it than their US counterparts. Companies around the world love to shaft you, American companies are just the same, with the bonus that they like to tell you how they will shaft you.

  47. I Am Spartacus
    FAIL

    DUAL SIM

    I would give up my iPhone if it had DUAL sim.

    Otherwise it is a "me too" device.

    1. David Paul Morgan

      Re: DUAL SIM

      have you checked out the One+ Three?

      I'm very tempted. 64GB internal, too.

      I'm torn over this, I really am.. :-(

  48. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    No discount?

    $649 is a lot for a device from a company that's making money off my personal information.

  49. Mat

    WTF??

    "Google has taken many of the things that are nice about the iPhone's operating system and just copied them"

    Swipe notifications and pull down settings???

    Apple copied those from Android...

  50. gskr

    Nice phone, but the design isn't exactly thrilling, and its WAY too expensive.

    The HTC 10, Moto Z, LG G5, Samsung Galaxy S7, and OnePlus 3 are all flagship phones at significantly less money. (Especially the OnePlus 3)

    Are timely software updates really worth the (large) price premium when sites like XDA developers exist if you care that much?

  51. Grunchy

    It's a got a headphone jack!

  52. whoelse

    A good review if you wanted an Apple users view

    It has the same lack of awareness you expect from Apple fanbois! :)

    Copied swipe notifications? Yes, Apple did.

    The round hole for fingerprint scanners that is a direct continuation of the Nexus 5x and 6p scanner? Sure why not, now it's an Apple tribute,

    Never let details get in the way of an article!

  53. Tom Paris
    Stop

    Ouch!

    £819 fully loaded. Ouch ouch ouch.

    Reason 11. Match Apple on eye watering price too.

    Spookily the exact same price as the iPhone 7

    http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7/5.5-inch-display-128gb-jet-black

  54. Freddellmeister

    Where is the Pixel plus? 5" phone is sooo 2013

  55. fattybacon

    No Google Stores

    Google have seen chumps buying iPhones and thought premium price land here we come.. but they haven't got a Google shop in every premium shopping centre, staffed by people insane enough to patiently listen and help chumps who can't configure their home WiFi and send them away to be fixed when they breakdown. That's what people are paying the i-premium for and that's fair enough, I can see the appeal... but Google has none of this infrastructure and never will.

    Android users want premium phones at half the price, and companies like Xiaomi and OnePlus produce phones. The Pixel specs, despite what the author thinks, are pretty mid-range, and indeed the materials, you get premium metal cases for a lot lot less.

  56. Seajay#

    This is not how you make an iPhone killer

    The iPhone didn't kill nokia by providing the same experience as the S60 series but on marginally better hardware. They did it by making something different and better.

    1. whoseyourdaddy

      Re: This is not how you make an iPhone killer

      If Nokia had an iTunes equivalent/music industry relationship many years ago, who knows how this would have turned out?

      1. Seajay#

        Re: This is not how you make an iPhone killer

        Yes, the different and better thing they made was not the phone hardware or even software it was the app ecosystem.

  57. Dan White

    Removable battery? Meh... Replaceable batteries FTW!

    Don't really care if the battery is removable or not. What I would like to see is a battery that is easily *replaceable* when it reaches the end of life, without having to crack the case open with specialist tools and/or send it back to a manufacturer.

    Your battery could lose around 25% of capacity within 9 months or so of charge-discharge cycles, and I tend to find after about 18 months that it's annoying me enough to look at doing something about it. I'd like the option to get a new, genuine battery fitted that wouldn't cost half the price of a new phone to sort out.

    Of course, the irony of owning a Samsung phone and wanting a genuine battery is not lost on me at this point...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Removable battery? Meh... Replaceable batteries FTW!

      Err. What you "would like to see" is the same thing that you "don't really care" about apparently...

      A removable battery is easily replaceable. By definition.

      The recent LG phones have batteries you can replace for about 15 quid.

  58. Ian Watkinson

    Backup

    Unless I missed something, backup on android still sucks.

    By backup, I mean over wifi every night, when I put the phone on charge.

    I then take phone, kill it, get new phone same model do something - restore, re-identify, whatever.

    It then restores and the phone is the same as the broken one, no need to re-set up a single up, no missing text messages, nothing.

    Last time I tried android it needed adb and a command line to do anything close.

    Plus, not all the apps worked as before after the restore.

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