back to article Microsoft deletes Windows 10 nagware from Windows 7 and 8

Microsoft has quietly excised Windows 10 free upgrade offers from Windows 7 and 8, aka the GWX.exe. PCs running Windows 7 or 8.x and Windows Update will silently delete the nagware, thanks to a new update dubbed KB3184143. “This update removes the Get Windows 10 app and other software related to the Windows 10 free upgrade …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Now lets hope...

    It deletes the right nagware, and not something else. Because I can imagine it already: "Ok, so now that Win7/Win8 users can no longer upgrade to Windows 10 I guess they won't be needing that update option anymore either...".

    1. LDS Silver badge

      Re: Now lets hope...

      I hope it only deletes, and doesn't install some telemetry also for those who didn't like the W10 one...

      1. Oliver Mayes

        Re: Now lets hope...

        The Windows 10 telemetry feature was forced into Windows 7 & 8 months ago.

        1. CompUser

          Re: Now lets hope...

          "The Windows 10 telemetry feature was forced into Windows 7 & 8 months ago."

          Only if you let it be installed in Windows 7, 8.

          If you don't want it on your Windows 7, 8, then uninstall it.

          1. asdf Silver badge

            Re: Now lets hope...

            >If you don't want it on your Windows 7, 8, then uninstall it.

            Yeah have fun keeping track of all the KBs on that. And if you don't think eventually vital security updates will depend on having them then you haven't been following Redmond lately.

  2. Martin 47

    Anyone care to guess how long it will be before an 'update' (shouldn't that be 'downdate'?) reinstalls the nagware albeit in a slightly different form?

    I'm going with before the end of the month

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Childcatcher

      I'll put a tenner on "early December" please. Reckon the bastards will attempt to slip it in among (and misrepresented as) seasonal gift giving.

    2. Elf
      Meh

      No bet. Here's my wallet. Leave me a fiver and my ID so I can get a beer on the way home.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Pint

        Much obliged.

        Bottoms up!

  3. Don Dumb

    They give more than you found

    I find Microsoft's refusal to publish useful update information annoying and deeply suspcious. However for the rollup update patch they do give information behind the first link in the knowledgebase article.

    September's rollup update (3185278) includes these updates:

    "This update includes quality improvements. No new operating system features are being introduced in this update. Key changes include:

    Improved support for the Disk Cleanup tool to free up space by removing older Windows Updates after they are superseded by newer updates.

    Improved compatibility of certain software applications.

    Removed the Copy Protection option when ripping CDs in Windows Media Audio (WMA) format from Windows Media Player.

    Addressed issue that causes mmc.exe to consume 100% of the CPU on one processor when trying to close the Exchange 2010 Exchange Management Console (EMC), after installing KB3125574.

    Addressed issue that causes the Generic Commands (GC) to fail upon attempting to install KB2919469 or KB2970228 on a device that already has KB3125574 installed."

    I prefer this to having 6 updates. Of course there might be 'more' updates included within the pack they aren't talking about...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: They give more than you found

      > Removed the Copy Protection option when ripping CDs in Windows Media Audio (WMA) format from Windows Media Player.

      The cynical side of me now assumes that the behaviour of Windows Media Player is now to rip with copy protection and the option to disable this behaviour has been removed?

  4. Steven Roper

    Too little, too late

    Thanks to Microsoft's pushiness with Windows 10, the only machines facing the internet in my home and at the office now are all running Linux Mint with Pale Moon, Thunderbird and Libre Office. Only the design-room machines are still running Windows 7, and none of those are internet-facing any longer.

    It's become our office pastime lately to open with impunity the malicious attachments on the spam emails we get, just for the fun of watching the Cryptolocker payload fall flat on its face trying to run on a Linux box...

    No, we don't miss Windows in our office, not one bit!

    1. wolfetone Silver badge
      Linux

      Re: Too little, too late

      As a penguinista, let me welcome you to our humble family.

      1. sabroni Silver badge
        Coffee/keyboard

        Re: our humble family.

        Thanks for that!

        The humility always shines through whenever the penguins are posting!

        1. wolfetone Silver badge

          Re: our humble family.

          "The humility always shines through whenever the penguins are posting!"

          Hmm, you're either one of those poor souls who have been nagged to death by Micro$oft, or one of those souls languishing in a fruity walled garden environment that requires you to pay £1,000+ for a new computer ever 2 years.

          Do you need a hug? x

          1. sabroni Silver badge
            Happy

            Re: Hmm, you're either one of those poor souls...

            See! Exactly the kind of humility I was talking about!

            1. Geoffrey W Silver badge

              Re: Hmm, you're either one of those poor souls...

              @Sabroni

              I was pondering the idea of posting something like wot u dun (re: humility) but now I don't need to and can recline unmolested by those waddling penguins and their down votes and enjoy a glass of wine. Cheers!

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          2. WolfFan Silver badge

            Re: our humble family.

            fruity walled garden environment that requires you to pay £1,000+ for a new computer ever 2 years.

            Hmm. My last Mac cost considerably less than £1,000, and I've had it for nearly four years now, so I know that you can't be talking about Apple. The Mac I purchased before that did cost more than £1,000, but it's been running for nearly six years now. I am planning to buy some 'new' Macs, to replace Windows-infested systems. Some of them may cost over £1,000. Most will be less. Hint: look up 'Mac mini'. Indeed, look up 'refurbished Mac mini from PowerMax'. You'll notice machines which can run the finest version of OS X, Snow Leopard, from before Apple went bonkers and started to make everything flat and grey and iOSified, and for prices ranging from $160 to $450 or so. Hell, no, I'm not buying new, iOSified, systems, any more than I'm buying new, Win 10-infested, systems.

            Memo to Tim Cook: Cookie, ol' fruit, if I want to use an iPad I'll bloody well buy an iPad. Keep the iOS crap on iPads and iPhones and leave the Macs alone. And have someone sit on Jonny Ive, he's got way out of control.

    2. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Too little, too late

      "just for the fun of watching the Cryptolocker payload fall flat on its face trying to run on a Linux box"

      I would not laugh too hard in case they go cross platform. In any case if you really treat security as a priority then all of you obvious user-writeable areas (such as /tmp, /var/tmp and /home) should be mounted with at least the 'noexec' option to help defeat users accidentally double-clicking on something malicious. For that and other tips you could do worse than checking this out:

      https://www.cesg.gov.uk/guidance/end-user-devices-security-guidance-ubuntu-1404-lts

      1. Steven Roper

        Re: Too little, too late

        "all of you obvious user-writeable areas (such as /tmp, /var/tmp and /home) should be mounted with at least the 'noexec' "

        Already done. Full-disk encryption, noexec and admin application whitelisting are all in place. I'm still looking at what other measures can be taken so that link you provided is very helpful, thanks for that.

        I'm sure that the goofing around with email attachments will stop once the novelty wears off. It's just that we in the office have spent so many years being paranoid about never opening attachments, never clicking on links in emails, constantly updating antivirus (and never being sure that said AV can even catch them all) and generally living in fear, that the safety and security of Linux feels strangely liberating. I've encouraged it because it eases the transition for the staff and and creates a sense of camaraderie and fun that helps them cope with the stresses of the changeover. In addition it helps me to locate and plug any potential security holes. But once things settle down properly be assured we'll be as vigilant to threats as we've always been.

      2. Paul Woodhouse

        Re: Too little, too late

        @Paul Crawford

        upvoted for truth and providing a useful link... I wouldn't recommend anyone baits the virus's on any production machine no matter how safe they think they are... especially not if you've not read and UNDERSTOOD all of the link Paul provided and this one, even if its a bit old...

        https://www.maketecheasier.com/secure-newly-installed-ubuntu/

    3. kmac499

      Re: Too little, too late

      Can you imagine how fast the MS update servers would melt if they offered an optional 'upgrade' from Win10 to Win7..

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It removes the Windows 10 Nagware

    in return for installing other Malware in the same update that steals your soul.

  6. frank ly Silver badge

    I'm so happy ....

    .... that I made the effort to get the Win 10 update early this year and the Anniversary Edition update last week.

    Every time I plug that SSD in and boot from it, I'm reminded of why I switched to Linux three years ago. (If you haven't worked your way through the Win 10 Anniversary Edition update process then you haven't died.)

  7. Novex

    I didn't notice this patch in the September updates for my Windows 7 partition. Is this update out of band?

    I did notice that the update to check compatibility with Windows 10 was still there though, so that still got 'hidden'. Thank god we're past all that nagging, at least for now.

    On the BBC News website, they're reporting that Which? have condemned Windows 10: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37431343

    1. Stanislaw
      WTF?

      Security is now optional, it seems

      On my Windows 7 box KB3179930 - the rollup with the .NET stuff in it - has come up as an optional update, despite the description mentioning that it corrects security issues.

      Whereas an update to correct time zone information in Novosibirsk is listed as important despite me being in the UK.

      Go figure, I suppose.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        .... update to correct time zone information in Novosibirsk is listed as important ...

        Well, it is a lovely place. Great weather, lots of trees, wonderful fishing and hunting, and the people are quite nice (certainly much nicer than in Moscow). You should really drop by for a visit - and now, thanks to Microsoft, you won't miss your return flight on the way back home.

        What's not to like?

        1. Stanislaw
          Happy

          What's not to like?

          Heh. Now you're being a little bit naughty, quoting most of my sentence but leaving off the bit at the end. I'm sure Novosibirsk is not only lovely, but also important, and you're a proper scamp for trying to make it look like I think otherwise!

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      "On the BBC News website, they're reporting that Which? have condemned Windows 10: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37431343"

      I liked the quote at the end: "On the whole, Windows 10 has been received well, and was a notable step up from the previous Windows 8, which did not go down well with many users." I'd call that damning with faint praise.

    3. JetSetJim Silver badge
      Joke

      re: condemned

      Condemned by Amnesty International, too

  8. GregC

    So Microsoft 'now issues adjustments to Windows “... either during our regular update releases on the second and fourth Tuesday of every month or whenever an unscheduled update is released.”'

    Or "whenever the fuck they feel like it" in other words.

    1. Anonymous IV

      > Or "whenever the fuck they feel like it" in other words.

      More precisely, when they feel there is a need for it. Do you think Microsoft produces updates just to keep their programmers busy? Sheesh.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Well, yes. How many times do they have to push out a new version of an update because the original one didn't work? You could count that happening on the fingers of one hand over years in the days when they had QA.

  9. Felonmarmer

    Optional Upgrade?

    KB3184143 is listed as an optional upgrade and not installed automatically, whereas the one that put GWX on was listed as an important upgrade and happened without consent or notification.

    Getting rid of it should be the same level priority as the one that put it on.

  10. Ian Emery Silver badge
    Terminator

    Next month

    a patch will "break" Win7/8, and you will be told the ONLY way to fix it is to buy and install Win10A.

    Just a theory - honest

  11. Pat 11

    Windows Update is unbelievably shit

    Several of my machines have got themselves into a state where the updater can't do anything, while fully using an entire CPU core. Fixing it is a dark art. It's hard to believe how badly they fuck up something so simple, the whole thing must be built on a mesh of bad kludges.

    1. sabroni Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: how badly they fuck up something so simple

      I mean, what could be easier than robustly updating 3 different operating systems on any PC configuration you can think of? Fucking Idiots!!!

      1. hplasm Silver badge
        Gimp

        Re: how badly they fuck up something so simple

        "... robustly updating ..."

        HAHAHAHAHA!!

      2. stephanh Silver badge

        Re: how badly they fuck up something so simple

        Right! I mean, this is MicroSoft we are talking about, the small software outfit run from Paul Allen's shed. It is not like they could afford, say 10,000 differently configured computers and a team of 100 people to test installation on all of them.

        1. Justicesays

          Re: how badly they fuck up something so simple

          Ironically the standard fix for this issue is to install an update...

          You can manually download the individual update from MS however.

          Tip: temporarily stop the windows update service before installing it or you have to compete with the locked up background update scanner.

          http://superuser.com/questions/951960/windows-7-sp1-windows-update-stuck-checking-for-updates

      3. Pat 11

        Re: how badly they fuck up something so simple

        I don't doubt it's challenging, but none of my Linux machines have ever locked up when patching without so much as an error message.

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        2. DropBear Silver badge

          Re: how badly they fuck up something so simple

          "none of my Linux machines have ever locked up when patching without so much as an error message."

          Oh, mine did, regularly, on a kernel update. Granted, it promptly unlocked itself and continued booting without a hitch FOURTY minutes later, once it concluded I don't actually have a floppy drive connected, but to be fair I DID have to figure out first that I should just not touch the computer at all for almost an hour even though it positively looks dead as a doornail...

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: how badly they fuck up something so simple

        I mean, what could be easier than robustly updating 3 different operating systems on any PC configuration you can think of? Fucking Idiots!!!

        You're right, it's really difficult… so difficult in fact that Debian have been doing it across 3 revisions simultaneously for i386, alpha, amd64, mips, mipsel, sparc, ppc, parisc, armel, armhf, m68k… most of those since the late 90s. i386 and amd64 being just as varied as you'd see on Windows including some that cannot run Windows (e.g. Cobalt Qube3/4). Gentoo have been supporting nearly as many, yours truly used to help out with their MIPS port.

        Microsoft have been doing it for i386 and amd64. Pretty much all being descendants of the IBM PC compatible. Nowhere near as varied as what Debian supports. Historically they've supported MIPS, PowerPC, Alpha and a few others, but these days, i386 and amd64 are their main ports with some dabbling in ARM. They also have far more economic resources to throw at the problem, and they charge customers for their product.

        So yes, I expect them to do better. Much better.

        1. sabroni Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: so difficult in fact that Debian have been doing it

          I think the MS install base is a little larger than the Debian one, and also has less consumer users.

          Get back to me in the year of the Linux desktop and we'll see whether they can maintain that under scale.

          1. hplasm Silver badge
            Gimp

            Re: so difficult in fact that Debian have been doing it

            "I think..."

            Ah- MS also fail hard on servers; you were saying...

          2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

            Re: so difficult in fact that Debian have been doing it

            "I think the MS install base is a little larger than the Debian one, and also has less consumer users."

            The scale effect might come into play with download speeds and to some extent the speed of checking for updates. But as Stuart said, the installed base is very diverse: from the Raspberry Pi upwards to larger server installations. I think we can reasonably conclude that scale wouldn't shake out many if any hidden quality problems. And having installed updates on both Windows and Linux I know from experience that the latter are still faster even if you disregard the download speeds.

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: so difficult in fact that Debian have been doing it

            I think the MS install base is a little larger than the Debian one, and also has less consumer users.

            Yet Microsoft for all their experience in making it flawless, seem to achieve anything but. Windows Update is all but broken on a fresh out-of-the-box Windows 7 install, or any Windows 7 installation that has been left alone (not-updated) in months.

            I'm sorry, but an out-of-the-box just-performed installation of Windows 7 from clean OEM media should JustWork, with regards to Windows Update. This has nothing to do with the number or skill of the users.

            Get back to me in the year of the Linux desktop and we'll see whether they can maintain that under scale.

            Yep, well we're still waiting for the Year of the Microsoft web server too.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

      "built on a mesh of bad kludges"

      And that, right there, is the Windows 10 marketing slogan as brought to you by the "Truth in Advertising" people.

    3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

      "Fixing it is a dark art."

      When I had to do this some week ago it seemed to consist of finding various interweb postings saying apply KB$Number and then finding a chain of MS support pages saying KB$Number-you-were-looking-for has been replaced by KBAnother-number-to-look-for.

      If it wasn't a dark art it was certainly an Adventure.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

        We're sorry, but your KB is in another castle...

      2. Wensleydale Cheese Silver badge

        Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

        "If it wasn't a dark art it was certainly an Adventure."

        A maze of twisty passages, all alike.

      3. Captain DaFt

        Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

        "If it wasn't a dark art it was certainly an Adventure."

        Jumping through hoops, avoiding hidden pitfalls, only to be told, "the update you're looking for is in another KB$Number".

        Is Nadella secretly a frustrated plumber?

    4. dbtx Bronze badge

      Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

      I'm waiting on 177 updates to install in Win7Pro on a dual-boot machine that was last updated roughly 3 years ago and has been running a screensaver in the other boot option since then because that's its purpose. Don't ask.

      So what about KB3125574 bundle that's supposed to help? I downloaded and ran it, and hours later had to decide to leave it overnight as it kept looking over things. This morning, it said the update was not applicable to this system or something.

      My only consolation is that it automatically finished checking for regular updates in the background and downloaded most of them in the meantime, so I've only been waiting just over an hour so far today.

      insufferable nonsense...

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

        >So what about KB3125574 bundle that's supposed to help?

        It does! However, if you are starting from Win7 or Win7-SP1 then you have some preparatory tasks to perform...

        This article gives a good overview to get your build up to May 2016:

        http://www.howtogeek.com/255435/how-to-update-windows-7-all-at-once-with-microsofts-convenience-rollup/

        However, I would take the advice given in the "recommendation suggestions" section of this post:

        http://windows-update-checker.com/FAQ/ConvenienceRollupKB3125574-Issues.htm

        and install any of the listed components, to save yourself work later...

        But yes I agree MS have lost something in recent years, with NT, W2K, XP you only needed the SP's to get a new install reasonably uptodate...

        1. dbtx Bronze badge

          Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

          Thanks for the link.

          I eventually found out from the MS page that it required the April 2015 Servicing Stack update, which of course it didn't have-- and it's my own fault for not noticing & preparing in the first place. But my beef remains, in that it took [unknown? at least 2] hours to figure out that it wasn't going to happen. I'm a Funtoo user so I could almost not care if things to take a ridiculously long while but my machine always spends *mere minutes* deciding what to do. And now there's no need, that machine's done. I installed said KB anyway afterwards, so maybe next year if it gets rebooted again, things will be less awful. And I'll read the article because I still have a few other Win7 machines to deal with, though none now that had been left for that long.

    5. Bob Camp

      Re: Windows Update is unbelievably shit

      Try this:

      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3172605

      It has the fixes for Windows Update you need. I had the same problem but this fixed it. I can't help but think the Windows 10 offer messed it up somehow.

    6. Tabor

      Re: fixing it is a dark art

      I've had the same issue. It was easy to fix though, you just have to remember to chant "developers, developers, developers" BEFORE you rip out the rabbit's entrails. The other way around won't work in any case, but a cat instead of a rabbit should be fine.

  12. Anonymous Custard Silver badge
    Pint

    No other action

    Microsoft's article says, advising that no action other than a restart will be required to do the deed.

    Oh I'm sure a few people will see some action as needed, such as a few beers to celebrate?

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: No other action

      Microsoft's article says, advising that no action other than a restart will be required to do the deed.

      Howver, I accidentially discovered on a system (Win7 x64) that both GWX Control Panel and CCleanup seemed happy with, Disk Cleanup identified a further circa 2.5GB of updates etc. that could safely be removed...

      So I would suggest having installed this update it is worth running Disk Cleanup - whilst 2~3GB isn't much space on a TB drive, on a limited SSD...

  13. Hans 1 Silver badge
    Windows

    >because Microsoft's previously said it won't reveal much about what's in its patches.

    Anybody find me an article where a Microsoft patch is dissected by Mircrosoft, any. You'll find none ... bloody canned statements since day 1.

    I like my debian, can go look up which lines were changed in the patch without too much hassle, if I so wish ... popcorn's ready for the next MS Update debacle :D

    As for free beers ? Have they removed the telemetry, yet ? no, thought not ... so don't rejoice, more's acomin'! Then again, the tramp on the Windows icon is drinking beer ... maybe that was meant ?

  14. wyatt
    Thumb Up

    My farther in law had a result against Microsoft. He decided to install Win 10, didn't like it so rolled back. Somewhere along the line, be it in Win7 or 10 his desktop became the 'cloud' desktop and sync'd everything to his cloud account.

    Problem was he'd just backed up his 64GB iPhone to his desktop and this got copied over, resulting in a nice bill from BT for going over this usage.

    He's argued this with MS and got a cheque for £100 off them to cover the bill (£52) and his time!

  15. msymons

    Does it also remove the shedload of windows 10 pre-install files?

    i wasn't allowed to remove them myself from my w7 pc. i'd quite like some of that space back

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Does it also remove the shedload of windows 10 pre-install files?

      GWX Control Panel can do that through the "Delete Windows 10 Download Folders" and "Delete Windows 10 Programs" buttons.

      As you obviously don't have it installed, just download and use the standalone version.

      See: http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanently-remove.html

      I'm sure others here will provide details of equivalent tools and how to guides if you want full manual control.

      1. pxd

        Re: Does it also remove the shedload of windows 10 pre-install files?

        It's about time I mentioned the excellent job GWX Control Panel has done and continues to do for me on my 3 WIN7 PCs, after I installed it following a recommendation elsewhere on El Reg. (Like several earlier commenters, I don't think we've seen the last of this issue from MS.) I thoroughly endorse the suggestion made by Roland6. pxd

  16. Joey

    Windows 10 Software condemed by Which

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37431343

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Windows 10 Software condemed by Which

      You just posted this without bothering to read the previous comments, didn't you?

  17. Dave 15 Silver badge

    Windows 10 downgrades

    Yup, my machine 'updated' itself... the result half of everything didn't work, the settings were all destroyed, went back to foreign language and wrong keyboard etc etc

    And as for the latest versions of office... FFKS what do Microsoft not understand about I opened a word document so I can edit it, print it, read it... WHY OH WHY OH WHY do I now need to find different options in a pile of different places, click on 2 dozen different banners in order to do what I obviously wanted to do in the first place!!!!

    An opportunity for linux etc. to take over... if only that weren't just as bad

    1. Dr Spork
      Pint

      Re: Windows 10 downgrades

      > ...the result half of everything didn't work...

      Thanks for that! :) Reminded me of this. Ahhh... happy times, when it was still funny. Before Redmond became so desperately malignant.

  18. jasper pepper

    Well, that's just fine now isn't it.

    Except it isn't is it?

    If microsoft think this will restore their reputation they are going to be disappointed.

    The whole win 10 fiasco destroyed what trust remained in the microsoft brand.

    It really isn't good for business if your customers :

    a) Don't trust your brand.

    b) Think your brand ignores their needs.

    c) Use your products under sufferance.

    It leads to :

    d) Your products are only chosen as a last resort in the absence of a viable alternative.

    Of course, it will take a while but as with the once mighty IBM I think microsoft is destined to dwindle from industry giant to industry also-ran.

  19. bombastic bob Silver badge
    Facepalm

    so, is it SAFE to run 'windows update' again?

    So, is it SAFE to run Windows Update again? Or should I wait for the fallout?

    1. Bert 1
      FAIL

      Re: so, is it SAFE to run 'windows update' again?

      Yeah. Me too. I want to know this.

  20. Mystic Megabyte Silver badge
    FAIL

    Win 8 rant

    Try this simple test of usability...

    Linux Mint: Press the Winkey and start typing "update", it will take you to the software update utility. The utility will tell you what each update will do.

    Windows 8: Do whatever you like, you won't find the update utility! Resort to Google, then find that the update utility just says "1.2 GB to download", won't tell you any other information and then also fails to download anything.

    1. pxd

      Re: Win 8 rant

      Having failed years ago to install Linux on an old laptop - never could find a driver to enable the external CD drive, or figure out how to mount the bloody device in the first place - I recently followed a suggestion in another comment here on El Reg, and installed Mint 18 Sarah plus MATE on an old WINXP desktop I was about to recycle. It was ludicrously easy; within an hour or so, I had a fully functional desktop running considerably faster than it did with XP, all drivers present and correct, fully updated; and I was off to look at the vast number of open software packages available for use. Mystic Megabyte's statement about Updates is spot on - updating the Mint PC was trivially easy, and fully explained; at the same time I was trying to take a former WIN8 PC back to WIN7, and spent hours and hours over a 2 week period, trying to crack the WIN Update issues described in other posts on this thread. After reading about a million posts from others with the same problem, I found that I could sneak up on the problem by only selecting 10 or fewer updates per session, but I tried all the other tips mentioned here and elsewhere, before finally succeeding. Now my only problem is deciding what to do with the no-longer-obsolete desktop. pxd

  21. A Nonny Moose
    Thumb Down

    Too late

    I can no longer trust any of the updates coming from Windows Update after this debacle.

    I haven't installed any of the monthly rollup updates as I don't trust them to not have all of the telemetry crap.

    I now only install the security related updates and only if I feel they're absolutely necessary after reading the KB page. If I didn't use my PC for gaming I'd probably be on Mint or something else by now.

  22. Herby Silver badge
    Joke

    If it wasn't a dark art it was certainly an Adventure.

    You are in a maze of twisty little patches, all alike. Which one would you like...

    Yes, an adventure...

    Probably not a joke to those who have to administrate the silly machines.

  23. kryptylomese

    The problem isn't that Windows is shit (it is) and Linux is great (it is) - The problem is that Linux doesn't run every game out there so kids cannot see why Linux is so much better.

    This is changing but really who cares? Grown-Ups (Businesses) have voted with their investment in infrastructure and Linux is dominant without any doubt!

    Leave school now and start working in IT as a Microsoft "Engineer" and you may as well as chosen steam engine manufacturer as a career choice instead.

    The world really has moved on - thankfully!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Cloud cuckoo

      I always wondered about Linux users I think cloud cuckoo land comes to mind

  24. Stevie Silver badge

    Bah!

    All well and good but windows update hasn't been working on my home edition since mid august, and doesn't work on a clean install of professional I did two weeks ago either.

    So I guess I'm stuck with the fucking mess.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Linux

      Re: Bah!

      Not necessarily

  25. the Jim bloke Bronze badge

    Thanks to GWX

    I finally tried Linux Mint as dual boot on my home desktop - then promptly wiped 2 windows laptops and installed it on them as well.

    Now, I only boot to Windows (7) when I need to use work related software, yes, you have to pay me to use it.

    There isn't a game enjoyable enough to compensate for the aggravation of microsofts poisoned system.

    This news will probably lead me to booting windows again and trying to get the update to happen, because at present, windows is a non-operating system.

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