'British version of Walmart'
I thought it *was* Walmart? (In the same way Cadburys are Kraft foods)
Yet another British family has been forced to flee its habitat after an infestation of Brazilian wandering spiders smuggled itself into their nest on the back of a bunch of supermarket bananas. The Brazilian wandering spider's bite is so venomous it can leave males of many species with a painful four-hour long erection before …
@Chris Miller: I seriously doubt it was an aisle, unless you're talking about airsoft or other non-lethal/toy guns. Some of the larger Walmarts in the US do indeed have a sporting section which includes a separate desk with locked display cabinets of firearms behind. Mostly hunting rifles. Its not like you can just wander down an aisle and take an AR-15 off a peg. And while I'm at it, lets end another myth: Whenever you buy a firearm in the US you have to pass an FBI background check before you can take it away (Gun shows and private trades are the only exception). Its just a form and a phone call but nevertheless it's actually not as easy/unregulated as the fact-free sensationalist UK media (including the BBC) would have you believe.
>Gun shows and private trades are the only exception
Online sales in some cases as well. Seen much higher figures but safe to say at least 20% of the guns that switch hands in the US are done without a background check. Still as the poster above implies even here in probably the most gun friendly red state its hardly the wild wild west.
Gun shows aren't an exception, same rules apply. Buy from a dealer and go through a NICS check, private sales may or may not need to depending on state.
Online sales have to go to a FFL in the buyer's state, who will then run the NICS check before handing over the weapon, unless the weapon is Curio/Relic eligible and the buyer has a C&R license.
"Online sales in some cases as well. Seen much higher figures but safe to say at least 20% of the guns that switch hands in the US are done without a background check. Still as the poster above implies even here in probably the most gun friendly red state its hardly the wild wild west"
Since we are going there, HERE is the scoop:
* In the U.S. , there are two types of sales: private sales between individuals and sales from an FFL (Federal Firearms License) dealers.
* ALL new guns are going through an FFL and require a background check. That includes new gun sales from an FFL dealer at a gunshow, or sales over the internet. ALL NEW GUN SALES REQUIRE A BACKGROUND CHECK.
* Between individuals , State law applies. In Georgia, for example, I can sell longarms or pistols face-to-face without a background check. I can send a longarm through the mail to another individual in the state without a background check. I CANNOT send a pistol through the mail to another individual without a background check. I CAN send the pistol through the mail to an FFL dealer in the state, and the receiving party would need to go to the dealer and pass a background check before he could recieve the pistol. I CAN send pistols or rifles to an FFL in another state where an individual can pick them up after passing a background check.
The "gunshow loophole" is simply that individuals go to gunshows with a gun to sell, and may sell that gun to another individual (or FFL) in the state without a background check. This is allowed as all other face to face exchanges are allowed. Again, it is NOT allowed to purchase a gun from an FFL dealer at a gunshow without a background check. So when people are attacking "the gunshow loophole", what they are really trying to do is to prohibit transfers of guns between individuals without a background check. It has NOTHING to do with gunshows.
@JustNiz - it was Flagstaff, AZ (as you say, a manned area at the back of the store, you couldn't just pick up a rifle and put it in your trolley). I had a good chat with the knowledgeable guys manning the area - they were bewildered that we couldn't buy this stuff in the UK :)
Its just a form and a phone call but nevertheless it's actually not as easy/unregulated as the fact-free sensationalist UK media (including the BBC) would have you believe.
Oh yes, good thing the FBI background check phone call stops all mass murderers.
The USA has about as many guns as people.
Therefore, when somebody blows their last mental fuse on any given Monday, then they typically only need to walk to their closet to fetch their existing guns and ammo. There's no "background check" to prevent them from opening their closet.
People go nutz every day. But in the USA, they probably ALREADY have guns.
Background Checks are to Guns what a Drunk Driving Sobriety Test would be to **Purchasing** a Car.
Which would be as stupid and useless as it sounds. ...Just like 'background checks' for gun purchases.
What's actually amazing here is that I'm apparently the first and only person on Earth to figure this out. I've never seen this duh-obvious point made by anyone except me.
Honestly if you don't keep a gun in your house the odds of you being murdered by a firearm outside of some inner city areas is very small even in the US. Significantly more than 2/3rd of all gun deaths are suicides and accidents. The majority of gun homicides are also committed by "loved" ones. Hardly a fan of gun control but don't like the lies that guns make you safer either. Guns don't scare me. ISIS and terrorism doesn't scare me. Traffic scares me, because that is what's most likely to kill me or an immediate family member by far at this point in our lives (more than hour spent in the car daily drives the point home). Can't wait for them to get the self driving cars bugs worked out fast enough so maybe a significant portion of the drunk fools in society pass out instead of going the wrong way on the freeway.
Traffic deaths are decreasing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_Road_Casualties_Great_Britain#/media/File:Killed_on_British_Roads.png and that's with traffic and population increasing. Must be all those speed cameras :-) or could it be Kevlar brake pads, radial tyres, jelly-mold car fronts and better road design?
"In addition to this, before the brand name viagra, they were going to name it mycoxaflopin"
Oh not this one again! The generic name for Viagra is actually Sildenafil - I know because I'm an acquaintance of both the discoverer of the drug, Doctor Drew Peacock, and the owner of the patent, Doctor Hugh Jardon.
But on a more serious note, what happens if you get bitten by one of these spiders and have to rush to A&E?
- Doctor, help me, a spider gave me this huge erection!
- Pervert. You've got chronic Arachnophilia and you need to go and see a psychiatrist before it's too late...
> "I know what it means, i didn't even have to look it up......."
I was rather surprised that the author didn't try to work it in somewhere (oops, no pun intended).
Kind of hard (oops) to make a pun out of "priapism", but maybe describe the spiders as "peripatetic priapistic poisoners"?
"It's curious how the company comments are at odds with the obvious facts. They should apologize and pay for the costs involved without fuss.
The obvious facts being that the customer told them it had happened and so it must be true?"
When I was younger there was hysteria about the log flume ride at the new theme park - the hollowed out logs were infested with deadly snakes from South America.
God knows what the death toll was.
That would be the fiberglass logs.
So, count me in the group that needs confirmation for everything.
All our xxx are xxx they are transported to the UK and every single piece of xxx is manually checked for quality and xxx.
I think that that is the standard 'Oh eff off and die" response to the media/public as a whole. Customer Service departments worldwide have an app they use to run off trite like that as or when required.
On the other hand, 1500 baby spiders in the size of a 20p coin, they're tiny. Maybe a fully grown spider can inflict a nasty bite but these are a long way short of that, a long way from their natural environment, not going to survive.
This story sounds a bit like it might be "over-reacting consumer spots an opportunity to screw the shop for compensation". I'd just have gone round with an insecticide spray (just to pre-empt the pedants, yes, spiders are arachnids not insects but insecticide still kills them).
Generally speaking most venemous animals are venoumous right from the get go (as it's used for hunting and defence).
In fact there is a school of thought it may be better to be bittten by an adult snake versus a juvenile because an adult snake has more control and is more likely to dry bite, or only partial inject, (have seen this behaviour with King Cobras) whereas the little uns will just fully envonomate you.
Not sure how that translates to inverts, pretty sure it does with Octopusses, either way don't underestimate venomus animals just because they are babies.
You know I am pretty comfortable with things like spiders and snakes, but I think even I would be a little wary about hanging around if a bunch of those little buggers have gone wandering.
I think I would have at least got the family out before having a go at trying to identify if its a relatively harmless tarantula or a spider that has a reputation for being agressive and highly venomous. Plus bet not many people know how to identify one offhand anyway, probably move first, look up species on your phone after is the better bet.
Too right. F***ing foreign spiders, coming in taking up British homes and British spiders' jobs, and what does Asda do? It doesn't even know the spiders' names! How are we even going to know we've got rid of them?
This is what Brexit was for, the f***ing EU would never let us throw out the foreign spiders. Now we can control our own bananas!
I know plenty of women that would intentionally buy these bananas for their husbands/spouse/friend if they were guaranteed that the erection lasted that long.
You just don't want to be on your own for 4 hours...... and definitely not at work, especially if you are a teacher
....then you have a claim against them on the grounds of Health and Safety, Sales of Dangerous Goods - fuck it, I'd being suing them for attempted murder.
Get yourselves a decent lawyer, and take these slack fuckers to the cleaners.....
Attempted murder? Come off it...
A murder has to be intentional I believe, so unless you're accusing some Asda employee or supplier of attaching spider egg sacks to bananas on purpose at best it's going to be manslaughter through ignorance.
Your food is legally allowed to contain a certain number of insects per kilo.
The law recognises that scanning every single banana that ever moves at every stage for every possible thing is infeasible.
So you're actually in a country with laws that will say "X insect parts per million" etc. is acceptable on their food hygiene rules.
Beyond that, we only have some bloke's word that they a) were there, b) were spiders, c) were deadly, d) escaped into the house. People try it on all the time. Not saying that he is, but good luck suing anyone for anything like this without masses of proof and even then ASDA will hide behind their regulations.
"I don't think anyone claimed they were."
Read Lee D's post immediately before that one:
"Your food is legally allowed to contain a certain number of insects per kilo."
While it doesn't say "spiders are insects" it is in effect excusing the presence of spiders on the basis a certain number of insects are allowed, thereby conflating spiders and insects. That may not be what Lee meant, but it is what he said.
Sound advice for anyone who is annoyed by such pedantry is just to use the word "arthropod" instead. (Crustaceans aren't insects either and there are plenty of those that I wouldn't want to find in my nosh either.) In extremis, try "invertebrate". That will annoy a few purists but it will include slugs, which are yet another thing that I don't want in my lunch.
"That will annoy a few purists but it will include slugs, which are yet another thing that I don't want in my lunch."
Quite. But how often have you found one hiding in the folds of your salad?
Oh well, you're probably not looking carefully enough. Don't worry - they're mainly veg (albeit processed) anyway. You probably enjoyed them.
Anyone remember the Smedleys Caterpillar? (I think it was a caterpillar.) Anyways, the tinned veg co was convicted of selling a tin of peas with one in, but appealed. Won the appeal as the judge ruled that it was normal to find tat particular pest among peas, so no case to answer.
"But how often have you found one hiding in the folds of your salad?
No, because to me salad is not food, and any that comes with my meals is left untouched. We have an entire history in which we have mastered the art of killing animals for food - so why let that go to waste by eating things that are just found in the ground. That's crazy.
Icon representing the flame on which my next burger will be cooked.
In what way is eating meat - which the human race has evolved to do - evil?
Besides, I don't just eat meat. That burger I mentioned, for example? It will be between two halves of a bread roll, and accompanied by chips. There will also be ketchup. None of these things are meat.
But that salad muck? Feed it to other animals, which I may be inclined to eat at a later date.
Murder?? Really?? I am no expert on British law, but in the U.S. you would not even get manslaughter. Depending on the jurisdiction, you MIGHT be able to get criminal negligence (if you can prove that the store/distributor willfully failed to properly fumigate said bananas), but for a crime, you need criminal intent. Missing a spider egg sac during fumigation and inspection procedures doesn't apply.
You could sue the crap out of the store and supplier for wrongful death, pain and suffering and product liability though.
Attempted murder my arse. No-one tried to kill anyone.
Bananas are part of nature and grow alongside other parts of nature that very occasionally hitch a ride. Unless it can be proved that the supermarket has been negligent - it would be be for a court to decide - then it's just part of life. No-one died - get over it.
"natural habitat" is a bit outdated and vague ... we know that the UK climate is the natural habitat for wolves, bears, and wild cats. The fact there aren't any in the UK has nothing to do with it not being a natural habitat, and everything to do with human activity.
Given how species of all forms of life can migrate in a variety of ways, it can be hard to determine what a natural habitat is. Also bearing in mind that annoyance of climate changers that an environments climate can vary enormously over quite short periods of time.
We have had a few relatively mild winters which might - depending on the availability of food, and lack of predators - allow several colonies of these spiders to thrive and expand. And then die back - possibly to local extinction - at the first November-March freeze.
This shouldn't be a hard case to prove in court. I hope the judge sticks Asda with a stiff damages claim. After all, the family seem fairly upstanding members of society with an upright reputation. They should go to court standing erect, stiff backed and look the Asda lawyers right in the eye. That should make the bastards swallow and choke on whats coming to them.
Brazil nuts' shells are also so high in aflatoxin that the EU tried banning them. For a few years there, you could only get them without their shells. That ban seems to have been repealed, though, judging by supermarket shelves.
Killer fact! Saddam Hussein's regime was the only ever to weaponise aflatoxin.
Providing you survive the bite the priapism subsides but you forever have extra staying power. Such "spider-men" (not no that one) are much prized as husbands and seen to bring good fortune in some cultures.
If the family had gone for fairtrade organic bananas this would never have happened so I supposed in a way they deserve this inconvenience for exploiting the poor cowed communities of blah blah blah...
In which case logically the eggs must have been laid AFTER the fruit had been checked. So it seems that the ASDA store or its warehouse is infested with a breeding colony of deadly spiders. They should therefore be shut down immediately and fumigated.
My mom grew up in a small town in rural Kansas, and when she was a little girl the general store would get bananas delivered as a complete stalk, and once in a while they'd find a tarantula had tagged along when they were breaking it up into bunches for sale.
They'd catch it and put it on display under a bell jar in the front window for everyone to see. According to my grandmother she about had a heart attack once when my mom opened up the bell jar and let it crawl around on her arm...apparently spiders were one of my grandmother's phobias, and my mom must have had a devilish streak in her back then :)
"Smarter Every Day" talked to a doctor about what can happen, after seeing a similar spider in the jungle.
WARNING. no swears or anything but the description of what can happen and what it can do to you and what the treatments are WILL MAKE YOU WINCE. and maybe crawl into a corner and cry.
however, forewarned is forearmed. all joking aside, if this happens to you GET TO THE DOCTORS
I have a whole family of False Widows in my home. Thousands of them. I assume.
They parachute down at night and land on my head. I catch them sometimes. They live under my bed mostly. I regularly find them crawling over me as I go to sleep.
I would imagine I've been bitten quite a few times by now, and I must be immune to the venom. I saw a program on a bloke that used to keep snakes and would up the dosage of the actual venom he milked, day by day or week by week, making him immune and his whole immune system stronger.
I also live with a lot of mould, not having cleaned for years. There is bacteria everywhere. Rotting food.
I do make sure I wash up every day though and have clean work surfaces so I don't get food contaminated - I'm a stickler for food hygiene in that sense. My fridge has several types of mould in it, having said that.
I've had a few very severe stabbing pains, that I assume come from bites from the baby False Widows. The bigger ones are the size of a 50p coin almost, and yes, have the death skull on them. I've studied them quite a bit, and it seems there are actually two variations of them here in the south of england.
I'd like to save them all and not kill any of them when I have a clear up soon. But alas that will not be practical - sorry little fellas.
When I say I have thousands of them, I mean literally thousands of them. They really don't bite you at all and are actually very friendly, for a spider, just wanting to live, and to have babies, and replicate. Bit like us really.
The death head skulls are fascinating under the magnifying glass. But you can tell that this is a spider you don't mess with. There's a mutual respect. I'm going to regret getting rid of them. I always put them under a glass and put them outside (which usually means death anyway). When you disturb them, they are all over the place and the chances of getting bitten are much higher. So I have started 'exterminating' (murdering) the little buggers, albeit with a heavy heart.
I don't recall ever consciously being bitten by one Steatoda nobilis - but I must have been, at one point at least. If not several times.
I used to have almost fist sized house spiders that everyone gets this time of year when the wet sets in, but funnily enough, I've not seen any for a couple of years now. Seen them off, I suppose.
Yes, it will be a shame to see them go, when I clean up, after about five years of dust, mould, detritus, cruft and whatnot. I think five years is long enough for anyone to have a nervous breakdown, and with no end in site, no help on the horizon, it's time to POST by pulling oneself up by the proverbials.
Oooh, titter ye not - sounds painful! Nooo...
Maybe not as painful as getting bitten by a false widow though. I'm almost tempted to pick one up in my hand. And maybe I will, when I find the last one, just keep it as a pet - if I find I am immune, I wouldn't mind having them in the house - they certainly keep quiet company.
just thinking you could have some fun with these...........sprinkle a few baby spiderlets under your foreskin before sex. Could have an arousing effect on both partners. Only a few though - overdoing it would be problematic.
With the correct genetic selection you might even get a version which wove a spidersilk condom as well. The ultimate in natural aids
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