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Windows 10's market share continues to grow a point or two a month, but it's also cracked the milestone of being the most-used version of Windows on weekends. That's The Register's conclusion after downloading the US Government Analytics service's latest 90-day dump recording over a billion visits to US government web sites. …

  1. a_yank_lurker Silver badge

    Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

    Why does this sound like a smelly pile? If 'bloat 10 was doing as well as Slurp wants us to believe the numbers would not smell.

    1. wsm

      Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

      Numbers don't lie--people do. But I don't believe real (intelligent) people really like Windows 10. It's only the ones that think they got something for nothing using it anyway.

      Except for those like my least-skilled friends who said "I didn't want it, but it just started being Windows 10. So how do I get my printer to work again?"

      As it turned out, we had to download Vista printer drivers because they let us choose a have-disk option and load drivers that actually worked.

      1. Planty Bronze badge
        Stop

        Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

        Watch it stall now. Business don't want it, and no more free home version.

        Can you imagine how bad adoption would be, had they not released the spyware infested free version???

      2. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

        Or in my case it was, "I have to upgrade because I keep getting that security message".

        There aren't enough people who 'work with computers' to stop everyone else updating. Not when no means yes and you get a full-screen update prompt with a huge 'Update' button and a tiny 'don't update' piece of text in the corner.

        1. MacroRodent Silver badge
          Linux

          Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

          Or in my case it was, "I have to upgrade because I keep getting that security message".

          The living-room laptop had that disease until I finally got annoyed enough to find and run a "never10" (or some such) free utility on it, which shut it up by patching registry. The other Windows 7 laptop in the house got the Linux treatment.

          The first one would have been Linuxified as well, but I need one WIndows machine to run my negative scanner that has no Linux driver.

          1. tony2heads

            Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

            Get hold of a friendly geek and pay them to write the negative scanner.

            If you feel more adventurous try DIY

          2. Kiwi Silver badge

            Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

            The first one would have been Linuxified as well, but I need one WIndows machine to run my negative scanner that has no Linux driver.

            If it's up to it, try creating a Windows VM in Virtualbox, and you can allow it to see the USB devices somewhat natively (assuming your scanner is USB).

            And though I've never tried such a thing you may find Wine happily handles the software. (I've tried WINE on many things, just not hardware stuff)

      3. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

        "But I don't believe real (intelligent) people really like Windows 10. It's only the ones that think they got something for nothing using it anyway."

        I was thinking something like that as well, that a preponderance of millenials actually *LIKE* Win-10-nic [seeing nothing wrong with the adware/spyware/flatso/metro/start-thing], perceive it as "another freebie", and are just busy searching for more gummint handouts on the weekends [and thus the traffic shows it].

        after all, the millenials have been CONDITIONED ALL OF THEIR LIVES to expect a free lunch, instead of doing what prior generations have done, i.e. GET A JOB so you can BUY IT.

        What I like is the latest STATCOUNTER, which shows a DIP in Win-10-nic, and a BUMP in Win 7, even across a weekend!

        http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-weekly-201531-201635

        numbers don't lie, yeah.

    2. Novex

      Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

      Well, bearing in mind the period June-August 2016 (not 2017, as in the caption for the graph at time of reading!) includes the deadline day for free upgrade, I'm not surprised it's gone ahead. Let's see how the next six months pans out, shall we?

      1. Updraft102 Silver badge

        Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

        It's going to be very interesting to see what happens. The post "free upgrade" period has yet to show in any monthly statistics. The masses of people who we know were continually rolling back to 7 were more than balanced by the new upgraders (as shown in the continuous increase in 10 market share). Now, though, there won't be very much upgrading, but the rolling back to 7 could still be going on unimpeded.

        If you'd bought Windows 7 licenses by the thousands when they were at their cheapest, you could make a fortune now. Microsoft's most popular and in-demand product is one they refuse to sell.

        We all have seen the stories about the PC industry being in a state of decline, and MS is not helping. The perceived inevitability of 10 undoubtedly serves to convince some people to get off the Windows platform entirely, and a lot are not ready to embrace Linux.

        I'll never use 10 in its current form, and the odds that it will improve enough to make it usable seem to be exceedingly remote (it's getting worse, not better). Fortunately, I am not one who is unwilling to embrace Linux, but it's disheartening to see MS destroying the Windows platform that many people equate with PCs.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: MS destroying the Windows platform...

          The market has segmented:

          a) "Consumers" have moved/are moving to phones and tablets.

          b) "Creaters" are staying with the PC Platform.

          Therefore: Windows, on the PC Platform, should be optimised for "Creaters".

          Redmond are delusional if they think they can recapture the "Consumer" market with their latest desktop bloatware.

          The "Consumer" boat sailed a long time ago:

          http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201608

          The PC Platform is reverting to a "niche retail market".

          That will leave "Apple Stores" and "Phone Stores" in the Retail Parks.

          The "Repair Shops" in the suburban strip-malls will increasingly "fail-over" over to Linux unless Redmond changes direction.

          The "Dumbing Down" of the desktop to make it more "User Friendly" has made the desktop less efficient/productive.

          The move from Mouse+Keyboard to Touch is not a productivity gain for businesses unless they are employing low-skill "screen monkeys" i.e. cash register operators and managers.

          Redmond appears to be a classic case of "Managers" becoming detached from business reality.

          No wonder the "tech sector" increasingly relies upon the Share Buyback Scam to keep afloat.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

          @Updraft102 Windows 7 licenses can still be bought for £8. This price point tells us it's not a huge market.

          1. Updraft102 Silver badge

            Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

            " Windows 7 licenses can still be bought for £8. This price point tells us it's not a huge market."

            I'd have to see more about that. I seriously doubt that actual (non-pirate) MS licenses are selling for £8. If you head over to eBay, you can see that boxed Windows 7 editions with intact product keys sell for quite a bit more than that. The price has fallen since the Windows 10 upgrade period ended, but it's still considerably higher than £8.

            Then there are the sellers who somehow just have a "legitimate" product key to sell, sans COA, disc, packaging, or anything else; all you'll get is a product key emailed to you. If you look at the total number of these product keys these vendors have sold, you can see it is quite a lot.

            All of this is happening while MS is doing its best to promote the idea that 7 is dead. The average person has no idea that Windows 7 (in any form) is even an option now... they think 10 is all there is, and they get excited if you tell them that it is still possible to set their PC up with Windows 7. They want Windows 7, but they're not out looking for it, and the prices for Win 7 licenses in the secondary market are not reflecting the true number of people who would take 7 over 10 if they knew how to make that happen.

            That would not be the case if MS itself was selling 7. If it were sitting there on shelves in computer stores like Windows 10, and if it was preinstalled on computers like Windows 10, it would be a whole different animal.

            Windows 10 only sells at all because it's perceived as inevitable. If people wanted it, MS would not have had to engage in trickery to get people take it for free. Side by side with Windows 7 as a commercial product, it wouldn't have a chance. The name "Windows 10" is at least as toxic as "Windows Vista" or "Windows 8" were in their respective time frames, and deservedly so.

            If MS itself was selling 7, that would not be the case. There is a lot of demand for 7 that's not being

    3. Steve Evans

      Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

      I'm more curious to know why there was an NetMarketshare upsurge in XP in July?

      Was it retro month and nobody told me?

      If that's just down to "statistical error", the magnitude of change for Win 7, 8 and 10 aren't far outside that either.

      Personally, I finally ended up with Win 10 thanks to a new laptop, I've only had it as a VM before now for software testing. I'm not greatly impressed. Classic shell improved things, mainly by getting the start menu back to a Win 7 style desktop and not a tablet inspired frenzy of tiles (Microsoft, just give up, Metro was a failure, just remove all traces, at least from desktop installs!). I've had more than a few BSOD thanks to drivers exploding (wasn't that supposed to have been fixed in Win 7?), and the damn desktop icons keep sorting and aligning themselves to the left, even when all those options are turned off. Alarmingly I found reports of this bug dating back to 2015 in the betas.

      And yes, that bar graph is hideous.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Upsurge in XP in July?

        In a word: Lithuania

        http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-LT-monthly-201508-201608

        Strange but true according to StatCounter

    4. hplasm Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

      In other news shop doorways, alleys and telephone boxes take over from toilets at weekends.

    5. chris9465

      Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

      They sure do lie. Especially how they are counted.

      Microsoft’s figures are a world apart from NetMarketShare’s, which in July showed Windows 10 on just 21.13 percent of the market globally, way behind Windows 7 on 47.01 percent.

      A big reason for the difference in numbers comes down to how they are recorded. NetMarketShare records actual OS usage (based on web browsing), while Microsoft records the number of devices Windows 10 is installed on. These include tablets as well as PCs, and the figures include devices not yet sold in shops and warehouses. Microsoft also only records Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, while NetMarketShare includes both XP and Vista.

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

      The ONLY reason for this is because MS stopped OEMs shipping PCs with win7 and also making it bloody hard to buy a copy "off the shelf" as it were.

  2. MrDamage

    because consumers are faster to adopt new code than businesses.

    Or in this case, had Win10 forcibly rammed down their throats whether they wanted it or not.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: because consumers are faster to adopt new code than businesses.

      I think "Involuntary Suppository" is a better analogy.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: because consumers are faster to adopt new code than businesses.

        I think "Involuntary Suppository" is a better analogy.

        Yes, but only because it hints at a painful reality: it still takes you bending over yourself before it's possible. I really have no time for people whinging that W10 has borked this, that or the other, it's not like there is an absence of track record here.

        There's only so much padding you can put on a wall when people insist on running full tilt at it - at some point you have to just let them.

  3. ecofeco Silver badge

    Does this include the frozen ones?

    How much of that activity is users trying fix the problems?

  4. Christian Berger Silver badge

    Oh my god, please take an IT course

    a) That kind of bar graph is probably the worst way you could show that data.

    b) You don't use JPEG for that kind of image.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They doth protest too much, methinks

    Forsooth.

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  7. chivo243 Silver badge

    I'll be tipping Win 7 back

    We just ordered an HP probook with Win7 preinstalled, maybe it arrives today! I know, it's just a teardrop in the sea...

    1. Tim99 Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: I'll be tipping Win 7 back

      'it's just a teardrop in the sea..."; or "will be lost in time, like tears in rain". Time (for Windows 10) to die?

  8. Tromos

    Meaningless

    This is a lot less to do with people 'adopting' Windows 10, more due to the majority of new laptops coming with 10 pre-installed. The large lead Android has, again, is down to the ratio of phone and tablet sales to those of PCs and laptops.

    Most home users are only concerned with getting an appliance that runs Facebook/Twitter/Skype or whichever piece of twattery is currently de jour. The OS behind it all doesn't come into the reckoning.

  9. Ian Emery Silver badge
    Windows

    Non Microshit OS??

    If they were included it could show how many people were switching away from Windows completely.

    (Still running 7, cos LOTRO doesnt support Linux)

    Thats me, with a can of "WAKE UP!!"

    1. DvorakUser

      Re: Non Microshit OS??

      I'm assuming you didn't do much Googling? A quick search for 'Lord of the Rings Online Linux' brought me to Playing In Linux Under Wine

      It even seems to have a Gold rating on the WINE App Database

    2. Eddy Ito Silver badge

      Re: Non Microshit OS??

      Going by the graph it looks like the sum of the bars is fairly steady. Also summing up the tables has NetMarketshare showing a slight increase in Windows usage, 85.98% in June to 87.52% in August and StatCounter a slight drop from 79.07% to 78.52% over the same period.

  10. Delbert

    Devil in the detail

    At least one of the answers is standing there in the table and also the reason I am using Win10 on this laptop the decline of the unloved unwanted 'stinky' win8 which is overtaken by the ancient XP OS. A lot of people like me took the free upgrade to expunge 8 from their lives now that period has ended I wonder how the next upgrade will go if users find themselves with a Win8 box . I think the availability of Win7 licences might skew the numbers or perhaps more people would dip a toe into Linux distros the least likely option is buying a copy of Win10

    1. MJI Silver badge

      Re: Devil in the detail

      Well since MS have piled out so many duds we do look at the good ones fondly.

      Lets just say that for our customers XP workstations are being replaced with new Win7 workstations.

      Win10 at work would provoke a walk out.

  11. Agent Tick

    Just one...

    web site represents nothing and 1 billion hits? I want to believe....

  12. Simon Ward

    "But Windows 10 is clearly on the rise and more of us will soon be in the OS-as-a-service world, just where Redmond wants us to be. "

    Oh no we won't.

    Really, we won't.

  13. Charlie Clark Silver badge
    FAIL

    Logical fallacy

    Android devices outselling Windows devices by nearly four to one. But Windows 10 is clearly on the rise and more of us will soon be in the OS-as-a-service world, just where Redmond wants us to be.

    This is a glaring example of a logical fallacy along the lines of: frogs are green; I am green therefore I am a frog.

    An increase in relative terms (market share) does not mean an increase in absolute terms. Indeed, as the market share of mobile devices increases, the number of people using desktop machines decreases (absolutely and relatively). So as people switch from Windows to IOS or Android, and they are, the market share for Windows 10 might go up even if fewer people are using it. That said, 1 year in and even including the compulsory distribution on new machines (with the odd exception) and strong arm update tactics, the uptake of Windows 10 is far from impressive.

    From my own numbers I'm watching a growth in mobile from around 15% in 2015 to over 20% in 2016. But don't believe me: have a look at Akamai's data, which El Reg persistently fails to refer to, along with its own data.

    I have no idea why Mr Sharwood thinks data from US government websites is any more representative of global trends than data from El Reg. I suspect the answer is that he simply doesn't have access to El Reg's stats. This would be very poor for a tech website if it were true.

    1. azaks

      Re: Logical fallacy

      >> I have no idea why Mr Sharwood thinks data from US government websites is any more representative of global trends than data from El Reg.

      I would have thought it was obvious - the only people that visit el reg are folks in IT or with an interest in IT. That's a pretty small % of the population. Its also a more tech savvy population, and would heavily skew the Linux numbers up from the rounding error it is today. But I guess that's the point, innit?

  14. Nathan 13

    Windows as a service will fail. I look after most of my friend's computers/laptops etc. Every single one who has W10 hated it, but tolerate it with classic shell/all apps deleted and no start screen/all connections set to metered in the registry to stop forced updates etc

    Not one of them wants adverts, or would be willing to pay any sort of subscription whatsoever.

    1. Updraft102 Silver badge

      Windows 10 as a service will fail in the home, and perhaps in small businesses. It's already the way everything is headed for big business, and that's what MS cares about now.

  15. Captain Badmouth
    Windows

    Two laptops recently

    One upgraded to win7 from winxcreable (or winxecrable if you prefer) one from vista to linux mint. Should show up in next month's figures.

    To what extent do these figures represent the "new laptop back to school/college" phenomenon as well as the end of the free upgrade? The major retailers seem only to offer winx with the odd win8.1 as OS.

    1. MJI Silver badge

      Re: Two laptops recently

      When I saw winxcreable it took me a while to realise you meant 10 and not the previous good version on Windows.

      Current 7

      Previous XP

      1. Captain Badmouth
        Happy

        Re: Two laptops recently

        "When I saw winxcreable it took me a while to realise you meant 10"

        Nice to know my post made you think. :)

    2. Daniel von Asmuth Bronze badge
      Paris Hilton

      Hi pretty Seven!

      How are your planning to spend your weekend?

  16. Annihilator

    -1

    Well the Win10 numbers are about to reduce by one user, unless I can find a way to:

    a) stop Windows restarting with updates whenever it damn well feels like. Just tell me you need to restart and let me do it, like every other version of Windows. Don't give me the option of "use this schedule, or don't get updates".

    b) stop Windows reinstalling the "you don't have Office 365" app whenever it does an update. I'm perfectly fine with Office 2013 thanks.

    I'll worry about my next OS when Windows 7 support runs out.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: -1

      Well the Win10 numbers are about to reduce by one user

      I'm sorry, Dave, I can't allow you to do that.

    2. Def Silver badge

      Re: -1

      None of my Win 10 machines install updates automatically. There's an option in the settings (somewhere - it's 4am, and I'm not getting out of bed to go find it for you :p) to switch to notifying you about updates and asking you to schedule a time. (I just ignore that and can usually get away with not updating for a week or two.)

      I don't get asked about Office either, but that's probably because I use it from time to time - mostly One Note for taking notes on my phone. (I use real office for real stuff when I need it).

      1. Def Silver badge

        Re: -1

        Settings > Update & security > Windows Update > Advanced Options

        Choose how updates are installed:

        Automatic (recommended) / Notify to schedule restart

        1. Annihilator

          Re: -1

          Thanks for this, but that option doesn't appear on my system (Win 10 Pro)

          Similarly in this article:

          http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/stop-windows-automatic-reboots

  17. Tezfair

    Back to school deals

    I would imagine that a fair % will be new laptop buys with 10 pre installed as the little darling go off to college / uni. Looking through suppliers, the 'Windows 7 downgraded' kit is becoming rare.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Was i the only one...

    That thought, did the user visit... Or did the machine thanks to included telemetry tracking updates, when i read:

    "the US Government Analytics service's latest 90-day dump recording over a billion visits to US government web sites"

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