back to article The Fog of Cyberwar: Now theft and sabotage instead of just spying

Cyber-conflict between nations has entered a new phase with a switch from espionage to sabotage and theft, according to infosec guru Mikko Hyppönen. The BlackEnergy-related attacks on the electricity grid last December and the more recent attack on at least four international banks have upped the ante in the sphere of cyber- …

  1. Herby

    D-Day??

    Strange how this was posted on the 72nd anniversary of D-Day. Makes one wonder what is next. I'll leave that to other speculators (or conspiracy theorists).

    As for D-Day itself, we should never forget!

  2. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    That was a pretty short interview

    ...with a guy having lots of scareisma.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: That was a pretty short interview

      Hyppönen is a legitimate security researcher ("guru" is rather strong, but then restraint is not a Reg strength). Though most of his actual research is in malware analysis, which is fine, but hardly groundbreaking. As far as I know he's never published substantial new research.

      Mostly he gives a lot of keynotes and soundbites.

      In any case, yeah, this is a pretty thin interview. "Here are some vague predictions. We're all doomed!"

  3. Anonymous Coward
    IT Angle

    Escalation in cyber BS race

    Who is responciple for designing cyber-computers that can so easily be compromised by opening a cyber-email attachment or clicking on a cyber-URL. "Russia and North Korea, respectively, are the chief suspects in the two campaigns" and guess who Uncle Sam is currently trying to pick a fight with. What is this neocon propaganda doing on a technical site?

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
      WTF?

      Re: Escalation in cyber BS race

      "cyber-computers", "cyber-email", "cyber-URL"

      Does the word "redundant" mean anything to you ? If not, here's a tip : try defining email as anything else but "cyber".

      And who exactly is Uncle Sam trying to pick a fight with ? They invaded Iraq instead of North Korea because everyone knows that the Norks have WMDs.

      Are you suggesting the US is trying to pick on Russia now ?

      1. Robert Helpmann?? Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: Escalation in cyber BS race

        And who exactly is Uncle Sam trying to pick a fight with ? They invaded Iraq instead of North Korea because everyone knows that the Norks have WMDs.

        You should add "first" immediately after "Iraq" and change the reason to "because Saddam put a hit out on Bush I and Bush II couldn't let someone go after his daddy like that."

        Are you suggesting the US is trying to pick on Russia now ?

        They started it!

        I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine on which points I am being facetious.

  4. veti Silver badge

    "The infamous Student worm"?

    Wow, those students huh?

    Hint: spellcheckers can be misleading.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And B-52 required money and sophisticated manufacturing and maintenance capabilities...

    ... while a cyberattack is much, much cheaper to build and sustain.

    1. Paul Kinsler

      Re: while a cyberattack is much, much cheaper to build and sustain.

      Only because it's parasitic on existing infrastructure. One could hardly say the internet didn't/doesn't require money and sophisticated manufacturing and maintenance capabilities... just that the cyberattackers don't have to pay for it.

  6. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "This tells us how desperate North Korea is,"

    No, Kim-Jong-whatever's haircut fad has already told us that. What this tells us is how little morals the guy has.

    Which we knew already.

  7. Aodhhan

    Offensive Capability

    I believe your list is a bit off on this. Taking into consideration the number of trained troops along with computing power for OFFENSIVE cyber operations capability. The list is probably closer to being: Israel, China, USA, Russia. South Korea could be in the top 5-7 within a few years with the help of China.

    The USA isn't number one as they were late getting into the OCO arena, and are just now starting to get a large number of people trained. However, the USA by far has the best defensive cyber operations capability, computing power, as well as some other aspects of the cyber war game. DCO was given a higher priority than OCO until a few years ago, when OCO began to become a priority.

    USA also has a disadvantage of military downsizing, dwindling funds, and there are some war legalities in allowing civilians to do targeted offensive attacks. So these types of operations must come from military personnel.

  8. Nixinkome

    And in 10 years....?

    http://imgur.com/gallery/CngYe7j

    Sorry Mikko, we've all got to make a living.

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