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Intel and Warner Bros have lawyered up to stop a Chinese company flogging hardware that strips out 4K copy protection. Intel's subsidiary, Digital Content Protection (DCP), joined with the movie maker in a case filed on New Year's Eve in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York. The complaint [PDF] says …

  1. P. Lee Silver badge

    Hello Ms Streisand!

    You're full of interesting facts today!

    Some say the crypto is useless.

    That depends on whether your aim is to stop piracy or to keep cheap kit out of the market.

    At $89-400 it isn't a cheap work-around for home piracy. This action is to make sure all the vendors keep paying their patent taxes.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Re: Hello Ms Streisand!

      Indeed, these devices are for industrial use.

      In my experience, HDCP has only resulted in the embarrassment of several CEOs and marketing departments, as it prevented them from playing their own videos at conferences.

      HDMI splitters and HDCP strippers are for repeater displays and "comfort" monitors at conferences and the like.

      Usually to convert the HDCP "protected" output of a video playback device into HD-SDI for distribution around the venue.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hello Ms Streisand!

      "At $89-400 it isn't a cheap work-around for home piracy."

      No need to buy one personally. There are plenty of people ripping every BluRay and uploading it to the internet for you. And now that devices like these exist, the cat will never be kept in the bag again...

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hello Ms Streisand!

      "in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York."

      But this is a Chinese company without a US presence. Good luck with them giving a crap.

  2. Gene Cash Silver badge
    Facepalm

    "The list of allegedly-infringing devices from the complaint"

    AKA the "eBay shopping list..."

    1. Steve Evans

      Re: "The list of allegedly-infringing devices from the complaint"

      ebay are reasonably hot at complying given they are a company registered in the west... You need to visit "other" bazaars that specialise in Chinese produced gear...

    2. Your alien overlord - fear me

      Re: "The list of allegedly-infringing devices from the complaint"

      just buy direct...

  3. DropBear Silver badge

    Hey, remember how WB went bankrupt right after the first of these gadgets came out...? Yeah, me neither...

  4. Knewbie

    I broke your licence agreement ?

    I never subscribed, so...

  5. Lamont Cranston

    No chance they could just give up on all this encrypted video nonsense?

    No? Pity. At least the lawyers will eat well.

  6. Paul Crawford Silver badge

    I don't have any HRDCP 2.2 need now, or in the immediate future, but I am sorely tempted to buy one of these simply to piss Intel & Warner off.

  7. MrRimmerSIR!

    Someone think of the audio

    And yet, no-one has a device that can handle (de)embedding analogue audio <-> HDMI for 7 or more channels. Does anyone know of such a device?

    I have a very nice receiver (Onkyo TX-NR3008) that does everything I need but would have to be junked in the move to Atmos. I would have liked to have used a cheap Atmos-enabled receiver (such as Marantz SR5010), passing the usual 7.1 channels to my current one as it has Audyssey XT32, leaving just the overhead channels to be powered by new receiver. Note that you can't just daisy-chain the HDMI signal as-is because that would be a downmixed version of the Atmos track.

    In order to do that, I'd need a pre-out (analogue) to HDMI converter as the multi channel input on the current amp bypasses all digital processing.

    Still looking for a solution that doesn't involve getting a PC to digitise 8 channels of audio then routing that to HDMI (have you seen the cost of high quality 8 channel ADCs?).

    1. Dan Wilkie

      Re: Someone think of the audio

      Er, and to think, I have an ancient white pair of Creative speakers (well, they were white, they're kind of yellow now, they came with our Western Systems 486 in 1990 something) that are plugged into the headphone socket of my TV after the built in speaker died...

      1. MrRimmerSIR!

        Re: Someone think of the audio

        LOL, horses for courses and all that. I have a friend who has stocked up on enough 100w incandescent bulbs to last him the next 50 years because he didn't like LEDs when they first came out.

        1. TheVogon Silver badge

          Re: Someone think of the audio

          "I have a friend who has stocked up on enough 100w incandescent bulbs"

          Now you just need to buy 100W incandescent "heaters" instead...

        2. PCar
          Happy

          Re: Someone think of the audio

          "I have a friend who has stocked up on enough 100w incandescent bulbs"

          Now you just need to buy 100W Rough Service bulbs instead...

          1. MrRimmerSIR!

            Re: Someone think of the audio

            After trying many many varieties of LED from cheap Chinese rubbish upwards, I'm sticking with the Phillips Master series dimmable ones. They are by far the most efficient I've used and with a much purer colour than most.

            You can keep your "rough service" ones and stick them... oh, or is that the plan?

  8. Graham Marsden
    Holmes

    So in *this* case...

    ... encryption is ok?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So in *this* case...

      Of course - the NSA have the key (as indeed does the rest of the world)

  9. Barbarian At the Gates

    Amusing

    For this device to have any utility, that would mean it is highly probable that the user has a "legit" copy of a piece of media, and is playing it on a compliant media player. Or it wouldn't have HDCP going out on the wire to strip out.

    We'd better shut those people right down. Paying for content might be habit forming, and once you've got an established pattern of behavior, it's frightfully difficult to stop.

  10. whoseyourdaddy

    That box is ideal for adding HDCP to expensive projector/display gear that pre-dates HDCP.

    Nice to have when your AppleTV/BD player won't deliver high-def without it.

    Remember that it takes HDMI/HDCP and exports analog high-def. Where's the rest of this pirating solution they're claiming everyone uses.

    1. talk_is_cheap

      Where's the rest of this pirating solution they're claiming everyone uses.

      Due with the new graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia as we will all need some way of quickly re-encoding an uncompressed 4K60 data stream that has been captured by some yet to be released capture card that can handle a ~2GByte per second hdmi 2.0 data stream. There will also be the need to store the data stream to disk, so I guess rather a large and fast SSD sub-system will be required.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Thanks Mr Streisand

    Had the choice of shipping my projector across (as Sony uk doesn't provide on-site upgrade), taking the risk of receiving it back 2 weeks later in poor condition (plenty of horror stories on the net) and pay a few thousand pounds to get the board upgraded to support HDCP 2.2.

    Thanks to Intel/Warner I now just found what seems to be the perfect solution for $199.

    Bet HDFury shipping department will be busy the next few days.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The full story is different to the article.

    Yes they are being sued but the devices on their site are converting from HDCP 2.2 to 1.4.

    (This is allowed by the standards as far as I know)

    See here ->>> https://www.hdfury.com/12133/

    and follow links

    Other devices are converting to VGA or RGBHV to allow Xbox/PS3 etc to connect to non-HDMI Displays.

    The suit is a bit of a stretch, particularly as many vendors in the industry appear to use their devices to connect equipment that would not be compatible.

    Surely they would be the first to flag up this apparent flouting of the law.

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