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Star Trek will return in a new series in 2017, but the venerable program will quickly disappear from screens other than those subscribed to US broadcaster CBS' "All Access" video-on-demand platform. The as-yet-un-named re-re-re-re-reboot* "will introduce new characters seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations, …

  1. Your alien overlord - fear me

    I hear it'll be called Star Trek, flogging the dead horse series.

    Spock and Scottie are no doubt turning in their graves as is Gene.

    1. dorsetknob
      Black Helicopters

      It will be called>>>>>>>

      Star Trek For the Windows 10 Generation

      Next Generation was the first reboot, Deep Space Nine the second, Voyager the third, and Enterprise the fourth, making this the fifth. If we wanted to get really nerdy we could include The Animated Series as another reboot and also consider the recent movies another reboot, making the new show a re-re-re-re-re-re-reboot.

      Just like a Bad windows 10 install

      There is your tech Angle oh and incoming Black Ops Shuttle

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

        Wasn't there a point where TNG, DS9, and Voyager overlapped? So I don't think they count as separate reboots.

        1. tmTM

          TNG, DS9, and Voyager overlapped?

          Original Trek and Enterprise overlapped in the Generations film

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

          I think Picards Enterprise docked at DS9 when Voyager began its tribulations - so all the same universe and not really re-boots

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

            I think Picards Enterprise docked at DS9 when Voyager began its tribulations - so all the same universe and not really re-boots

            And two characters went from TNG to DS9 - Worf & O'Brien

            1. TRT Silver badge

              Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

              And there was Lwaxana. And probably a few Q.

            2. fishman

              Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

              <<And two characters went from TNG to DS9 - Worf & O'Brien>>

              And Ensign Ro.

              And Kiko (O'Brian's wife) and Alexander (Worf's son).

              1. montyburns56

                Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

                "And Ensign Ro."

                If only...

          2. King Jack

            Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

            ..and Harry Kim was picked by Voyager from DS9 after Quark tried to swindle him. DS9 and Voyager were not reboots but were just more stories from the Next-Gen universe. Next Gen itself was set in the original's universe as Spock, Scotty and Bones McCoy all appeared on it.

            The only reboot was the new films with Pratt and Qunito playing old characters.

            1. TRT Silver badge

              Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

              And Barclay was in Voyager. And Deanna Troy too.

        3. Joefish
          Holmes

          Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

          Picard's Enterprise brought the original crew (including a reluctant Sisko) to DS9 in the first episode, and left Chief O'Brien behind. Worf was assigned in a later series, once TNG finished. These two overlapped by several series.

          Similarly, Voyager docked at DS9 in its first episode where Tom Paris and Harry Kim met over one of Quark's scams (Quark, Morn, Gul Evek and Q being the only characters to appear in all 3).

        4. MrXavia

          Re: It will be called>>>>>>>

          TNG and DS9 overlapped also, so even then can't count as a reboot....

          And since DS9 included flashbacks/crossovers with TOS even THAT can't be reboot....

          So that leaves ent... err no even that has a crossover with TOS...

          ---EDIT---

          Ok already been said more eloquently by others...

    2. LaeMing Silver badge

      Lens-flare trek.

      1. Nameless Faceless Computer User

        dude, you're thinking of Serenity.

    3. TRT Silver badge

      Flogging a dead horse, you say?

      Damn it, Jim. I'm a doctor not a necrohippoflagellationist.

  2. GregC

    Not entirely sure how I feel about this. On the one hand I love Trek from the original through TNG to DS9, on the other Voyager and Enterprise I'd rather forget. Time will tell I guess, but I can't say the recent movies have done much to give me hope.

    Here's hoping my pessimism is misplaced.

    1. tony72

      You always want to go out on a high, and Enterprise ... was not that. So I think it's worth having another crack at it. I liked the two latest movies, I felt they were closer in spirit to TOS, so I have some hope.

    2. James 51 Silver badge

      Voyager is the weakest trek series but it had it's moments (Year of Hell would have been great if they hadn't hit the reset button at the end). Enterprise picked up in it's last two seasons. DS9 is still my favourite probably for the reason that most of the people I know who like trek don't like it. It was possible for stuff that happened before to come back and bite people in sensitive places rather than just flying away and never hearing from it again.

      1. Intractable Potsherd Silver badge

        I agree with James 51 - DS9 (along with TOS) are my favourites. DS9 had great continuing stories, which were largely avoided in any of the other series. TNG had so much promise, but rarely delivered (Borg notwithstanding) - and the silliness with the changing face of Klingons almost undid the whole thing.

    3. auburnman

      Re: "Enterprise I'd rather forget."

      My friends and I had a running gag that once Enterprise had finally been cancelled Scott Bakula would Leap Out.

      1. Benchops

        Re: "Enterprise I'd rather forget."

        There was the end of series^H^H^H^H^H^Hseason finale where they'd saved the Earth from the Xindi, but to have a cliff hanger into the next series they suddenly went back in time (can't remember why) to when aliens were posing as Nazis (I don't /think/ I'm making this up, or am I getting confused with Galactica 80s?). Anyway, there was a definite "going back in time" CGI effect after which I fully expected Captain Archer to say "Oh boy!" (he didn't).

  3. VinceH Silver badge

    Optional

    In what way are the subsequent cash-ins er, I mean series reboots? They're no more a reboot of the original series than, say, Aliens is a reboot of Alien.

    Questions of the quality of the subsequent series (especially Voyager) are fair enough, but they weren't reboots. They exist in the same Universe with what happened in the preceding series (Enterprise excepted, being a prequel) forming part of that Universe's history*.

    * Unless rewriting or ignoring history worked for the plot.

  4. tony72

    Reboots?

    The term "reboot" seems to have changed meaning (or I always misunderstood it), if TNG, DS9, et al are reboots of TOS. I thought a "reboot" is where you pretend the original never happened, so you can re-tell and update the story; for example the 2004 Battle Star Galactica series, or the 2012 Total Recall movie. In my mind, TNG, DS9 etc are sequel series, not reboots; they happen in the same space and timeline as TOS, and even have some characters from TOS appear in them (Spock, R.I.P.).

    I believe TNG, DS9, and Voyager had some overlap as well, DS9 started before TNG ended, and Voyager starter before DS9 ended, so it's not as if you could say they were reboots in the sense of restarting something which had stopped.

    So, is any spin-off or sequel now a "reboot"?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Reboots?

      No. The Reg just misused/misunderstands the term.

      1. Simon Sharwood, Reg APAC Editor (Written by Reg staff)

        Re: Re: Reboots?

        I'm going with misused, but also will have a crack at attempting to expand the definition.

        The new movies are absolutely reboots - same universe, same characters, same rules, a different take on things.

        I'd argue TnG was just about a reboot. Yes, it was on the same timeline but it deliberately stepped far in enough in time beyond ToS to create a lacuna that allowed for the insertion of entirely new elements. As the movies rolled out, bits of that lacuna were erased to get Kirk and Picard on the same screen. But hey, let's not spend the >>whole<< day arguing about Trek continuity. People might decide we're nerds ...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Reboots?

          TNG may be discussed as a "reboot" but there is a far more accurate word to descibe it: sequel. And that's why that word exists, no need to try to redefine the meaning of another one

          Deep Space Nine and Voyager are contemporaries, so therefore "offshoot" is the technically accurate desciption.

          The latest Star Trek movie series is the only, true "reboot" in the discussion: taking all known aspects of a creation and reimagining them. In TNG et al, the Constitution-class starships existed as they were previously shown on screen; Kirk, Spock and all the other historical personalities, as well as all the events that surrounded them, stayed in place. Only with the new movies does all of that - all of it - change. That's a "reboot".

          The new series may do well - no Berman or Braga!! That's a "+100" for its potential goodness factor right there! :-)

          1. stucs201

            Re: Reboots?

            Even the new films aren't a conventional reboot. A typical reboot starts over with no explanation. The 2009 Star Trek movie establishes a parallel timeline where some characters (old Spock and the bad guy who's name a I can't remember) lived through and remember the original timeline but was involved in the time-travel event which changed things.

            The second one get a tad more confused and more like a conventional reboot, because now some things prior to what should have been affected seem to have changed too.

            1. JDX Gold badge

              Re: Reboots?

              I have to agree that DS9, TNG, Voyager and Enterprise are all firmly in the same universe (continuity errors aside).

              I would've expected (and would like to see) a new series to take the same cast as the new films, not reboot all over again with another new cast.

              We are due another new ST spin-off but unless they use the film cast, I want a spin-off not another re-boot please.

    2. Stuart 22

      Re: Reboots?

      Bl**dy Hell - what planet are you all on? How come you didn't spot Gene was just a bumpkin time traveller who stumbled across a movie theatre showing Galaxy Quest. The rest is history.

      1. TRT Silver badge

        Re: Reboots?

        Sorry. Have you never heard of the term "spinoff"?

        They (TNG, DS9, Voyager & Enterprise) are neither "reboots" nor "sequels". They are set in the original TOS universe, but do not continue to use any of the original cast as regular characters (beyond Majel Barrett, and I don't think we can count "Federation Computer" as an actual "character")

        They are SPINOFFS. With occasional cross-overs and guest appearances.

        The only true "sequel" would be ST:TAS.

        The only "reboot" is the new film series set in the lens-flare universe. Does anyone have a handy chalk-board in their living room in order to sketch out where the time-line skews?

        1. Benchops

          Re: Reboots?

          Start Wreck: Nemesis seemed to ignore specific things that had happened in ST:TNG. But perhaps the odd numbered films and it don't count?

    3. Joefish
      Devil

      Re: Reboots?

      Ah, but was Battlestar Galactica a reboot?

      WooOOooOOoo!

      1. Benchops

        Re: Reboots?

        This has all happened before and will all happen again.

        Actually, it can't possibly be in the same universe as the original. Richard Hatch.

  5. chrisl

    None of the series quoted are reboots as they all fit within the same universe as TOS. Only the recent movies are reboots (and, as such, should be ignored in anything official).

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Sorry, but if the defining characteristic of "not a reboot" is "fits in the same universe" then a reboot would have to be different characters in a different universe living a different storyline.

      I would call that a different story entirely, not a reboot.

  6. VinceH Silver badge

    Also: Subscribing specifically to a series? Not going to work for me unless it's appropriately cheap. Consider that subscribing to the series means "watch it once... then you're done" (or possibly more than once within the subscription period) versus (say) buying something on DVD and watching it whenever I want, and how often I want.

    1. Known Hero

      Just imagine the meeting

      Lets make a new series of star trek, lots of money in that !!!

      Marketing Twat#87: Ok great Idea to maximise our profits, Lets make it really difficult to watch for most people, that way Nobody will pirate it due to ease of viewing.....

      Boss#12: Umm sorry what?... sure yeah lets do that, you said maximise and profits in a sentence and I tuned out after that.

    2. Tom 13

      Re: Also: Subscribing specifically to a series?

      You've mucked that up rather badly even if you did get a fair bit of a helping hand from the author.

      You don't subscribe to the series. You subscribe to the CBS service which they claim makes ALL of their content available to you. (Certainly true for anything currently on air and most of the stuff you'd find on the likes of Netflix et al that is true.) But the series will ONLY be available through the service.

      Currently listing for $5.99/month in the US.

      1. fishman

        Re: Also: Subscribing specifically to a series?

        <<Currently listing for $5.99/month in the US.>>

        So you wait for the series to end, subscribe for a month, and binge watch.

  7. Deltics

    Reboots vs Extended Continuity

    Of all the series cited as reboots only Enterprise can really be considered such.

    TNG was explicitly a continuation of the timeline, not a reset nor did did it rely on any reset. DS9 and Voyager were also set in that same timeline (excluding those episodes in each of those series that deviated from that timeline for the purposes of weaving in an alternate timeline for unavoidable continuity preservation).

    Enterprise, being set before TOS was (more) arguably a reboot for the simple reason that it was difficult to conceive that the technology presented in that earlier timeframe would or could "evolve" to the technology presented in TOS (in a way that was not so problematic for TNG and "later" vs TOS) even if strictly speaking we were supposed to accept that this is precisely what had in fact happened.

    1. Mr Flibble
      Alien

      Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

      There is a somewhat reasonable attempt to explain the changes in tech between Enterprise and TOS, detailed in “The Romulan War”. It's explained as a counter-measure against Romulan malware taking over Starfleet systems. We'd probably have seen something like that in the TV series if it hadn't been cancelled.

      All being well, this new proposed series will fit in with the previous series and all 10 films. If it fits in instead with the… other two…

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

        "All being well, this new proposed series will fit in with the previous series and all 10 films. If it fits in instead with the… other two…"

        That may not be a bad thing. Considering how far the previous producers /writers, Berman & Braga, backed the storytelling into an irrevokable corner by their stupid fixation with time travel stories, hacking up canon to meet a story's agenda, et al, maybe a fresh start will be healthy for the long term.

        1. JDX Gold badge

          Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

          I really like Enterprise although it doesn't really feel like ST (the theme tune for a start!)

          But this hatred for the reboot is silly. ST feature films and ST TV series are quite different beasts.

          1. TRT Silver badge

            Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

            TOS is, in the Enterprise line of things, when the Federation were building starships and crazy 60s retro design was in vogue.

            A bit like how, in the 2010s, the design zeitgeist for some crazy reason ditched advanced skeuomorphic desktop design for flat 8-bit CLUT 70s style iconography. I expect in 20 years time we will look back on Windows 8/10 and iOS 8/9 and OS X 10.9/10/11 and laugh at it.

            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
              Mushroom

              Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

              " I expect in 20 years time we will look back on Windows 8/10...and laugh at it."

              Most of us already are. Whoever thought of the "flat" design theme and whoever signed off on it will be first against the wall come the revolution!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

        The change in tech may be explained in The Romulan War but, as any Trekker knows, books are non-canon unless specifically stated otherwise. So, canon-wise, the change is never properly explained...nor excused.

    2. Tom 13

      Re: Reboots vs Extended Continuity

      Nope, Enterprise was a prequel.

      Like all things Trek, they fucked up the timeline and ignored the problems. Leaving Trekies to cobble together some false rationale for their abject failures in continuity.

      Don't get me wrong, I like original Trek, a fair bit of TNG (but not the first season), and DS9. Spock was my second hero after The Batman. But the writers and producers ignored both continuity and essential human traits with some regularity. Take any episode where they had access to untold knowledge and didn't make a copy: City on the Edge of Forever, For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky, Spock's Brain. Frankly, City on the Edge of Forever is the WORST offender because it starts out with Spock doing exactly that, the episode revolves around it as the McGuffin, then ignores it after they return from their trip into the past.

  8. M0les

    Tar Dreck: On borrowed time

    I'm inwardly "Squee-ing" like an ante-pubescent schoolgirl upon hearing a group of 30-something "boys" are shortly to appear at my local shopping mall.

    Nevertheless I find your attempts to define what is, and is-not a "re-boot" troubling. Budding Jeffrey Albertsons might say that TOS was the first reboot from the pilot. Yes, Captain Pike came back as a parody of Jeffrey Hunter's acting skills in one of Hollywood's earliest ancestors of a "Clip show", but they have markedly different feels.

    Similarly one could claim that TNG->DS9->V'GER (With their overlapping run-times) were really just one big show sliced-up as talent-contracts became too expensive.

    1. Paul Shirley

      Re: Tar Dreck: On borrowed time

      Series are so regularly different from their pilot (and pilot's so often remade several times) that 'reboot' seems totally inappropriate.

    2. Martin Summers Silver badge

      Re: Tar Dreck: On borrowed time

      M0les you are comic book guy aren't you? I couldn't help but read your post in his voice.

  9. jonnycando

    None are reboots

    All the trek shows and movies are canon. At least to some degree. Even the new movies are for both parallel and non parallel timelines are repeatedly demonstrated as commom throughout the franchise. As a subscription series however, cbs dooms this idea to failure.

    1. JDX Gold badge

      Re: None are reboots

      The new movies reboot in the sense they replace the same characters with different actors. But true, they don't overlap TOS (which is what I expected a new show to do).

    2. Tom 13

      Re: None are reboots

      The Star Trek movie was filmed as, and sold as a REBOOT. Period.

      An abysmal failure in my estimation as it pretty much destroyed everything Roddenberry put into it that made it Trek, but none the less a reboot.

      And AGAIN, it's not a subscription series. It's a series that will only be available on their CBS All Access service, which is sort of a mini-Netflix for CBS at about half the price of Netflix. They advertise 7500 shows and movies.

  10. John Tserkezis

    "other than those subscribed to US broadcaster CBS' "All Access" video-on-demand platform"

    Since Australia is the arsehole of the world, and that's not available to us, we'll have to persevere with the torrents. Nicely packaged, without ads, a mere few hours after it's available in the US, terrible, just terrible.

    1. John Tserkezis

      "Since Australia is the arsehole of the world, and that's not available to us"

      I've since found out that CBS has done a deal with the 10 network, so presumably it's going to be showing on free to air. That means it's likely to air at 2:00am, and laced with on-screen commercials for either cooking or home renovation shows. You know, because they're important.

      That's the 10 network - the same one that starting this year butchered the Formula One seasons to an hour long "best of". With ads, that's 42 minutes program material, with the trophy handouts and top three interviews, that leaves maybe half an hour of racing for a race that's nearly two hours long in real life.

      Torrents here we come.

      1. JDX Gold badge

        They'll clearly sell it on.

  11. Youngone Silver badge

    Wooo Hooo!

    A fricken' argument on the Internet about Star Trek! Woo Hoo!

    Also an argument about what is and isn't a Reboot. Loving it, my kids are right, I'm a nerd.

    Also John Tserkezis is correct. Those who don't live in the geographic zone that the idiots from CBS decide deserve to watch this will have to live with a better, quicker format.

    Might as well make Zorbo's Executive Powder out of them.

  12. CaNsA
    Mushroom

    WOW

    Never have I seen el Reg get an article so wrong.

    1. Vic
      Happy

      Re: WOW

      Never have I seen el Reg get an article so wrong.

      You must be new here...

      Vic.

  13. DaiKiwi

    Meanwhile... a continuation (not a reboot?)

    In the mean time, there's always "Star Trek Continues" to get that original series feeling

    http://www.startrekcontinues.com/episodes.html

  14. Tony Paulazzo

    Trek: The unrebooted series!

    That debut episode will need to be good

    Think back to the first episode of TNG and DS9. Would anyone have subscribed to keep those on air?

    Funnily enough, Voyager might have got a few subscribers since it promised a fresh take on things, inter crew conflict, seventy light years from home & having to survive without the Federation - they turned out some of the worst dreck imaginable:

    Chakotay (aka Token), worst Indian ever!

    Oh and even tho you said don't argue about the reboot issue. This is the internet and you are so utterly wrong. The only things I'll accept as a reboot are the new films, of which only the first held promise. The second one was unmitigated shit! and the third one could have been good but Hollywood has already told Simon Peg to untrek it a bit, so it'll have some good humour, some hidden digs at Paramount and be a rollicking good adventure - possibly.

    1. DavCrav Silver badge

      Re: Trek: The unrebooted series!

      "seventy light years"

      Seventy thousand light years.

      "Chakotay (aka Token), worst Indian ever!"

      Native American. Despite being more than a third of the world's population, India, China and other South-East Asian nations get barely a look-in in Star Trek.

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: Trek: The unrebooted series!

        >Despite being more than a third of the world's population, India, China and other South-East Asian nations get barely a look-in in Star Trek.

        "Black and white lived in perfect harmony, and ganged up on green." (Terry Pratchett)

      2. Tony Paulazzo

        Re: Trek: The unrebooted series!

        Native American. Despite being more than a third of the world's population, India, China and other South-East Asian nations get barely a look-in in Star Trek.

        You're right, on both counts, not sure why you got a downvote, so have another upvote. There was an Asian character captaining dad kirks ship in the reboot, but he barely survived 5 minutes.

    2. Intractable Potsherd Silver badge

      Re: Trek: The unrebooted series! @ Tony Paulazzo

      "Think back to the first episode of TNG and DS9. Would anyone have subscribed to keep those on air?"

      I was thinking the same question the other day - CBS Action is rerunning DS9 from the beginning and watching "Emissary" made me remember thinking "Oh, perhaps it will get better" after seeing it when the series first aired (and then wondering how long I was going to keep punishing myself after watching "Move Along Home" and "Dramatis Personae"!) My impressions of the first few TNG were the same - "Encounter at Farpoint" was just about the worst introductory episode of anything I have ever seen. Who could have anticipated the dark plotlines and solid storytelling that were to come, especially in DS9?

    3. JDX Gold badge

      Re: Trek: The unrebooted series!

      Voyager was fun. A strong female lead, the hologram doctor, 7/9 and 7/9 (I mention her twice because, well... you know why)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Trek: The unrebooted series!

        I always called her Two of Chest.

  15. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Trollface

    "while exploring the dramatic contemporary themes"

    Will that include not being able to access FederationBook ?

  16. Tony S

    There is still really only one question: and only one right answer.

    Kirk or Picard?

    1. Known Hero

      I heard Picard is still looking younger year by year !!! they can do his academy days now ;)

    2. GregC

      @Tony S

      Sisko.

  17. Simon Harris Silver badge

    Lets hope...

    after Enterprise that they get back to doing proper Star Trek theme music.

  18. Bob H

    I hope it is less dystopian than the current trend in writing has become. ST:TNG was always aiming for something higher, Gene Rodenberry thought ST should elevate mankind more than playing to its fears.

    I've been trying to watch Revolution and Defiance on Amazon Prime because they looked like interesting science fiction, but the problem is that the writers seem to feel inadequate unless they've killed off a key character every few episodes. I'm not saying "keep it light" but lets not have a constant negative spiral with long story arcs that result in a portion of the crew dying every few weeks, it gets draining on the soul.

    1. Simon Harris Silver badge

      "I hope it is less dystopian than the current trend in writing has become."

      Current trend in writing? You make it sound like dystopia is a new thing. Hasn't science fiction always had a dystopian vein running through it? - for example: The Time Machine (1895), Brave New World (1931), 1984 (1949), Fahrenheit 451 (1953), The Chrysalids (1955), A Clockwork Orange (1962), Logan's Run (1967), Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968), and we haven't even made it to the 1970s yet!

      1. Tom 13

        Re: You make it sound like dystopia is a new thing.

        Zoooooom!

        Right over the top of your head.

        THE WHOLE POINT OF ORIGINAL TREK WAS IT WAS UTOPIAN, NOT DYSTOPIAN.

        1. Simon Harris Silver badge

          Re: You make it sound like dystopia is a new thing.

          Star Trek may have tried to be utopian, but Bob H appears to be discussing other series since he namechecks two of them and suggests 'current trends'. Since there hasn't been a new episode of any version of Star Trek (excluding the recent movies - are they 'canon'?), my guess is he's talking about dystopia in science fiction in more general terms than Star Trek.

    2. Alien8n Silver badge

      But the original series was so notorious for killing off crew members it became a standard trope of any series featuring red shirts...

      1. Tom 13

        @Alien8n

        Zoooooom!

        Right over the top of your head.

        Two in the space of as many hours. That's gotta be a record.

        Part of the trope is that the red shirt was also always Ensign Expendable, not a main character. Guy played this wonderfully in Galaxy quest. Too many shows these days depend on their continuing characters having more heart rending experiences in an episode than most soap opera stars got in a season.

        1. Dave 126 Silver badge

          Re: @Alien8n

          I heard some social theory the other day that future dystopias are popular because if we have resigned ourselves to the future being shit then we don't need to change our damaging behaviour.

          I haven't fully decided about the truth of that yet. It might just be that future dystopias make good settings for violent -and thus fun! - video games!

        2. Alien8n Silver badge

          Re: @Alien8n

          My comment was in response to

          "that result in a portion of the crew dying every few weeks"

          which doesn't specifically state that it has to be a named character being killed off (yes I know the previous sentence is with regards the Game of Thrones-esque killing off of half the lead characters every season).

          Reminds me of the joke about the actor whose agent calls him up to tell him he has a job:

          "I've got you a major role in a leading fantasy series"

          "How many series?"

          "Just 1"

          "Episodes?"

          "Just 1"

          "I'll be in the whole episode though right?"

          "No, your character gets killed in the opening credits"

          "How is that a leading role?"

          "It's Game of Thrones"

          "So he's quite a long lived character then?"

          1. Bob H

            Re: @Alien8n

            @Alien8n,

            I did mention the need to kill key characters elsewhere in the posting.

            @Simon Harris,

            I love the idea that dystopian futures are an excuse not to make our own lives better.

            You seem to have pointed out quite a number of films more than TV series and yes there are many examples of both TV and films being dystopial. However my concern is valid because the writing trends elsewhere and notably more so to me recently, have been rather against what Gene R. wanted from Star Trek. We can assume the writers, producers and directors will be somewhat experienced in the genre and thus will bring their own interpretation to the series. However dark can also be viewed as a criticism of many ST films, but especially so of the TNG films.

            1. Simon Harris Silver badge

              @ Bob H Re: @Alien8n

              "You seem to have pointed out quite a number of films more than TV series"

              Call me old fashioned, but I was actually pointing out the books (the dates were publication dates, not film release dates), although almost all were subsequently turned into films - I think The Crysalids was only ever adapted into a radio play.

    3. Tom 13

      I hope it is less dystopian than the current trend

      Nope, that was what the reboot was all about: bringing on even more teen angst than a a sparkly vampire tv show. I might, maybe, possibly have been able to torture myself into accepting their time is linear except when we need it to be timey-whimey for dramatic purposes plot point except for that issue.

    4. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

      Re: I hope it is less dystopian than the current trend

      You make it sound like dystopia is a bad thing.

  19. theOtherJT

    #WeWantWorf?

    Michael Dorn (aka Worf for the one person on here who might not already know who he is) has been trying to get a new (TnG continuity, some time after the end of Nemesis) series going about what happened to Worf for quite some time now. He seems to have had some success - at least up to the point of being in discussions with CBS about it, and it would be nice for him to succeed, although the cynic in me suspects that he won't have and this will be a reboot movie tie-in with the same old characters because some market test suggested that would sell better.

    A "Star Trek" set in the TnG timeline but with a focus on the Klingons could be an interesting show I think. It gives an opportunity for the Federation to still be the shining light that Rodenberry always wanted it to be, for there to be that feeling of "We can be better than we are" but would also allow more dark storytelling because you'd be seeing that from the outside.

    1. TRT Silver badge

      Re: #WeWantWorf?

      We all know what happened to Worf. He fell through a hole in the space time continuum and wound up in Slough in 1932. Understandably of course, his frustration at being dumped in Slough of the 1930s, caused him to repeatedly try to beat his own brains out by head butting the damp plaster moulds hanging in the chocolate factory he had taken refuge in. The resulting confectionary cast using the damaged moulds was an instant success, and Forrest Mars took Worf on as senior mould-maker until Worf's untimely demise in 2006, after which time the company was no longer able to fend off aggressive corporate takeovers by meeting them with a level of aggression not seen in the boardroom since.

    2. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: #WeWantWorf?

      >that feeling of "We can be better than we are" but would also allow more dark storytelling because you'd be seeing that from the outside.

      Then sod it, let's just have Iain M Bank's The Culture adapted for screen, big or little. In accordance with his wishes, and I quote, it should have "a fucking big budget!".

      Much of the Culture novels explored the limits of what a utopia could be, and where it clashed.

      1. theOtherJT

        @Dave 126

        Well, sure, I'd get 100% behind that, but it would have to be a REALLY fucking big budget. I have no idea how you'd film something like the Flight of the Sleeper Service, or any of the ship-to-ship combat (Total engagement time 0.62ms)

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Meh

    I once had the whole of Voyager on pre-recorded VHS tape, never again, so even if they do subscription in my neck of the woods I really don't think I'll be buying.

    By the way I couldn't sell it, had to give it away to a Trekkie (who needed convincing)

  21. Irongut

    Well-received?

    On which planet was Lens Flare Trek well-received? Certainly not this one.

  22. Hero Protagonist

    For the love of all that's holy....

    NO HOLODECK! NO HOLO-DOC! NO HOLO-DUCK! NO HOLO-ANYTHING!

    Sorry for the shouty, just had to get that off my chest.

    1. TRT Silver badge

      Re: For the love of all that's holy....

      For the world is holo- and I have touched the Sky (remote).

  23. Ugotta B. Kiddingme

    subscription-only will ensure a quick death

    Of the major broadcast networks in the US, CBS is the only one that charges for online content - but only under specifically weird circumstances. I can watch recent episodes of current shows for free on my laptop, but I must pay to do that with my Roku or Android device?!? The other networks all allow you to stream pretty much anything they offer for free, regardless of method.

    Assuming this new Star Trek is even worth watching (and that is definitely NOT a given); if it is subscription only and NOT also on other popular subscription platforms like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime, then it simply cannot last. There aren't enough people who will pay USD$6/month to watch one show. Oh, and you still are privileged to watch commercials. Granted, paying customers see "fewer" of them but, you cannot fast forward or otherwise bypass them. No thank you.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: subscription-only will ensure a quick death

      subscription-only will ensure a quick death

      Ah, finally, someone noticed the main problem with this article.

      The problem is that on American TV [and even cable - look what happened to SyFy - it's a wrestling channel now!] is that Science Fiction seems to be a hard sell. I'm still waiting for the next season of Sarah Connor Chronicles, and to see what happens in Stargate Universe.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: subscription-only will ensure a quick death

        Will be interesting to see what happens with the Expanse series starting later this year and how long it lasts

      2. Simon Harris Silver badge

        Re: subscription-only will ensure a quick death

        "look what happened to SyFy - it's a wrestling channel now!"

        Sounds like the original series is safe then - Kirk seems to find someone to wrestle in most episodes!

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Next Generation DS9, Enterprise and Voyager weren't reboots they were new shows in the same world.

    A reboot is where you just make the same show again whilst trying to make it modern and contemporary.

    1. TRT Silver badge

      "A reboot is where you just make the same show again whilst trying to make it modern and contemporary."

      and end up with a steaming pile of turd? In the vein of The Prisoner, The Tomorrow People, Knight Rider:2000 etc etc etc

  25. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

    Well...

    I don't really care if it's a reboot or a spinoff or whatever - will it be fun to watch ?

    1. Ugotta B. Kiddingme

      Re: Will it be fun to watch...

      Mein Deutsch ist gerusty so I'm not entirely sure WTF that was but it certainly looked to be amusing. Haben Sie einen upvoten!

  26. Seanie Ryan

    this thread reminds me of ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQLQ56tkO6Y

  27. rtb61

    The term reboot is just a PR hack to tie into computer jargon. Were the 2 follow star treks a reboot, absolutely not because they did not follow onto the originals and were just pretty lame, very poor story, second set action movies, with that poor story just barely enough to tie together the often pretty silly action scenes. Pretty much a lame cash in on the original franchise and they did a ton of damage to that franchise.

    New TV series, I just know it going to be some half assed 90210 in space, to target a younger audience.

    Pretty much the last two movies killed the franchise, the second one even worse than the first.

    A smarter reboot would reuse the theme but dump that particular universe as unrecoverable.

    1. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge
      Joke

      "The term reboot is just a PR hack to tie into computer jargon."

      Maybe it's a service pack.

      1. Simon Harris Silver badge

        More an OS upgrade that forgets to tell you in the installation instructions that it's going to wipe everything important that you wanted to keep.

  28. DougS Silver badge

    I hope it is a massive failure

    CBS along with everyone else wants to add 'exclusives' to their online streaming offerings. What good is it if you have to subscribe to CBS, ABC, Hulu, Netflix, YouTube, HBO, ESPN and on and on and end up spending $200 a month?

    If it were on TV I'm sure I'd watch it. Making it online streaming only I won't even watch the teaser episode on TV - what's the point, since I can't watch the rest? If it is any good it'll be available elsewhere down the road and can be binge watched.

    Only people who've already abandoned traditional cable/satellite TV would be interested in this, but even among them unless they already subscribed to CBS (and why the hell would you?) the only new subscriptions they'll get are from die hard Trekkies who are afraid not watching them when they come out will mean 'spoilers' when they go to a Trek con.

  29. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

    The word that has been eluding me

    is relaunch.

  30. Stevie Silver badge

    Bah!

    I believe, strictly speaking, a reboot is when a previously run series is re-imagined anew, like the new Star Trek movies.

    Though I may have lost touch with this particular piece of vernacular in the decade or so that I haven't given a flying fuck.

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