For £1,099 you can have...
They're having a laugh, £1,099 for an HP laptop, yea right.
What happens when you lock a group of product engineers from a major PC manufacturer and a team software developers from a separate company together in a room? HP's Spectre x360 does. It's the result of some serious conversations between the lads and lasses at Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft; put simply, if Microsoft made a …
The difference between Macs and PCs, in hardware terms, is that Apple only sells premium laptops. With PCs there are Premium and Standard and Budget variations. Compare like for like. If Apple can successfully sell laptops in the premium range, there's clearly a market. And besides, Lenovo and Dell have been charging these sorts of prices for their high-end for years so presumably are doing fine.
Just because there are cheaper laptops out there, doesn't mean this is above market prices.
The difference between Apple laptops and all others is that, in two years, your Apple laptop will be worth 70% of what you paid for it, while anything else will be worthless.
And that's not really a function of whether you like Apple or not, it's just market dynamics. Even if you are only running Windows, it's a better deal to buy an Apple laptop.
If you buy anything else, you are essentially throwing your money away.....
"in two years, your Apple laptop will be worth 70% of what you paid for it, while anything else will be worthless."
As a result of that, I've had some lovely bargain HP/Windows business class laptops over the last few years. Can't do that with Apple.
Every cloud has an aluminized lining.
>>> The difference between Apple laptops and all others is that, in two years, your Apple laptop will be worth 70% of what you paid for it, while anything else will be worthless.
Very, very true, I'm always amazed how much old apple gear sells for. Keep it nice, and especially if you keep the box, and you'll get over 60% back on eBay after several years if you put the latest OS on it.
I don't suppose it also has something that you might expect to find on that antique beamer you're expected to use for your off-site presentation?
Not to mention that if you get a modern installed one in the ceiling this invariably comes with 15 pin VGA connectors scattered at handy points around the conference room. So, while it may well have other ports, getting at them means finding a very long lead and standing on the table on tiptoes to plug it in.....
Come on HP!
The days of processor upgrades may be over with intel creating new "generations" every two years, but I'd like to be able to swap the disk and add memory - up to 16G (not 8G, Apple)
And I want a matte screen.
And it should come in at around MBA prices. If you can arrange it so that it happens to run OSX, you get brownie points, but these days, I actually prefer a Linux GUI.
"The days of processor upgrades may be over with intel creating new "generations" every two years, but I'd like to be able to swap the disk and add memory - up to 16G (not 8G, Apple). And I want a matte screen."
Then buy a model with a matte screen and upgradeable memory! They're still produced you know. Clearly this laptop model just isn't for you.
"And it should come in at around MBA prices."
What? HP should jack up their prices to please you?
It seems a waste that with this technology, how good hand-writing technology has become and how great it is for sketching out notes or annotating web-pages and PDFs, pens aren't being pushed as more of a standard thing. It should be a major differentiator for Microsoft over their competitors at Apple and Google, but they don't seem to capitalize.
That said, coming up with good stuff and then not doing much with it, is almost standard practice for Microsoft, unfortunately.
"That said, coming up with good stuff and then not doing much with it, is almost standard practice for Microsoft, unfortunately."
Are you actually thinking that MS invented pen input?
No they didn't invent it.
They just killed the company that looked like they had the best shot at developing it.
Then compare with
I bought the top model on the HP scheme - so I didn't pay full price. I got it because the one I had before was just too large to sit on my lap for long periods.
Windows can't really handle the high res screen - I've had to do some interesting jiggery pokery to be able to read the display but still have usable space.
It does get a bit hot underneath when it's on your lap, but if you turn the processor down a bit (advanced power options) that makes it much cooler and I don't really notice any reduced performance. [I only do that if it's on battery]
It worked really well when we went to Iceland - I just watched films all the way over. The battery life is good - I reckon around 7-8 hours of normal use (I've never achieved the 12.5 hours that is claimed).
Yes, I'd like a larger and faster SSD, but overall, it works well and is a vast improvement on my previous 15.6" monster laptop.
Can't anyone manufacture a laptop now without inflicting it with half height cursor keys, then adding insult to injury by doubling-up their functionality as Home / End / PgUp / Down keys.
The finger gymnastics you now have to go through just to highlight a block of code, and copy it. Made harder by having to hit a key half the size of a normal key!
If I wanted to be cursed with an Apple styled keyboard, I'd buy an Apple!
"USB Lan adapter, can you even install Linux on it?"
It's unlikely that you can install Linux on the LAN adapter. ;-) However, It is likely that the LAN adapter itself is supported under Linux. There are plenty of LAN adapters on the market, you wouldn't have to buy an HP one...
with these foldable laptops....
If I want to use a laptop as a tablet at times I want a detachable screen to half the weight.
Add to that the chance of scratching or damaging your keboard....
Yeh maybe I might use tent mode but not likely as the screen is in that position anyway with the keyboard attached.
Nope cant see the use at all. If I was spending this much on something laptoppy/tablety I would go for a Surface Pro instead.
Except that it won't halve the weight. A keyboard in an otherwise empty shell doesn't weigh all that much. All the heavy stuff that you want to get rid of will be...wait for it...stuck behind the screen. Which you're still carrying. And therefore weighs nearly the same as one with a keyboard attached.
Thickness and looks (I always think laptops look a bit stupid folded back on themselves), yes I agree. Weight, no.
Very much doubt many people will use this as a tablet, but could see tent mode being perfectly usable.
It came with a couple of HP (metro) apps and that's about it. So, yes, fairly clean. It did come with Norton AV (I think) but I got rid of that (unlike phones, you can delete the bloatware).
It has three (3) USB ports - all USB3, full size HDMI (which works nicely to my projector with an HDMI to VGA converter and an SD slot.
As the report states, the wifi is superb. It picks up signals that my old one didn't like.
There is a restore partition on the SSD, but as soon as I go to Windows 10, I'll get rid of that.
I like this!
This is EVERYTHING I want in a modern portable. It even has "TWO!" USB ports. I can use my, two USB connector, external dvd burner/player with this! Apples' one USB port offerings ended my hopes of going with their latest thing. This gives me hope that there is life after Apple. The only thing that's kept me in Apple land was their OS but lately they've burned their bridges to their customers in that department too.
Damn, I want to get this and see how it goes with one of my favorite versions of GNU Linux...
Seriously, why do the manufacturers still insist on only supplying shiny screens (I know they look good in the low-light conditions of the PC showroom) but seriously - everyone knows they're shite. I can kind of understand why the manufacturers dabbled with shiny screens to start with - but why keep doing it?
Lenovo / HP / Dell / Apple - listen to me - if it has a shiny screen, I won't but it because it is unusable in the real world.
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