back to article Snoopers' Charter queen Theresa May returns to Home Office brief

Theresa May has – despite her failure to ram through the Snoopers' Charter under the previous Tory-led Coalition government – once again, been handed the troublesome Home Office brief. Prime Minister David Cameron, whose Conservative Party secured a slim majority in the House of Commons on Friday, has been lightly reshuffling …

  1. Gordon 10 Silver badge
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    WooHoo!

    Putting Gove in charge of the Snoopers Charter gives me some hope. Hopefully he can fuck it up in the same manner he attempted to fuck up our education system when Education Secretary. Plus his reputation for butting heads with his colleagues will hopefully give Treasonous May a bit of a handful to deal with.

    Best news I've heard since the Torys got a majority.

    1. Big_Ted
      Facepalm

      Re: WooHoo!

      Read the article again please....

      "On Sunday, the BBC's Radio 4 programme World This Week wrongly reported that Gove – known for butting heads with May – would be "put in charge of" the Communications Data Bill, AKA the much-hated Snoopers' Charter"

      1. Vimes

        Re: WooHoo! @big_ted

        As justice secretary though wouldn't he be involved in discussions surrounding the legal ramifications of any change?

      2. Gordon 10 Silver badge
        FAIL

        Re: WooHoo!

        @Big_Ted

        Oh bugger.... a big case of wishful thinking on my part :(

        The fail is mine good commentards!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: WooHoo!

      Upvote, because in his stint as education minister he DID manage to do significant damage to the the education system, the aftermath of which teachers are still dealing with and will have to for many years to come.

      On second thoughts, that should be a downvote because although he will undoubtably fuck it up, he'll do so in manner which will affect us all beyond the tenure of this next government.

      [ disclosure: my wife is a teacher, so I've unfortunately had to witness the crap they've been going through ]

  2. Vimes

    This is the same Michael 'Mrs Blurt' Gove that put so much effort into avoiding the Freedom of Information act. Now he's in charge of it.

    It's hard to believe he has any real respect for the rule of law.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It's hard to believe he has any real respect for the rule of law.

      His wife is "Sarah Vine", who is like Katie Hopkins but without the excuse of epilepsy.* I consider myself a moderate Conservative, and I simply cannot imagine voting for him. But at least we now haven't got Grayling in charge of the "Ignore all the experts in the legal system" department.

      US IT companies and banks, however, will doubtless be telephoning KRM, Rothermere and the Barclay Brothers with their thanks. It's odd that the one Conservative I'm aware of who actually has degrees in comp sci and business - David Davis - doesn't seem to be allowed near the question of IT contracts.

      *Please note this is not a dig at people with epilepsy. From what I understand, Hopkins has a potentially life threatening version and I can fully understand her milking her Miss Nasty personality for all the money she can get. But Vine has to need to.

      1. Vimes

        Re: It's hard to believe he has any real respect for the rule of law.

        ...But at least we now haven't got Grayling in charge of the "Ignore all the experts in the legal system" department.

        Didn't Gove adopt a similar attitude when at the Dept. for Education?

        http://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/jul/27/gove-ignored-advice-on-list

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642197/Gove-knew-Muslim-schools-plot-four-years-ago-Education-Secretary-accused-sitting-warnings-Islamists-trying-Birmingham-schools.html

        http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/teacher-blog/2014/mar/11/gove-criticism-careers-advice-guidance-policy

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/michael-gove-urged-to-listen-to-advice-on-exams-8652999.html

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7932056/Leaked-advice-deals-Michael-Gove-new-blow-in-schools-row.html

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It's hard to believe he has any real respect for the rule of law.

          "Didn't Gove adopt a similar attitude when at the Dept. for Education?"

          Michael Gove is a journalist who has made arse-licking comments about Rupert "one of the most impressive and significant figures of the last 50 years" Murdoch. As such he could cow the teachers because they have a commitment to their pupils and don't want to put their futures at risk. But the legal profession and prison officers? These people have the ability to make real trouble. That's why I think he's safer where he is going to face some real opposition.

  3. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Devil

    The Bedroom Tax Man cometh

    IDS is also back in the cabinet and he's been given an axe. So the nasty party is back doing what it really wanted to do the first time round and this time there's nothing to stop it, unless some backbench rebels have a crisis of conscience (in which case, why are they in the nasty party in the first place)?

    What's David Davis up to by the way, have they buried him in a shallow grave yet?

    1. Vimes

      Re: The Bedroom Tax Man cometh

      David Davis seems to be concentrating on the EU referendum at the moment. Funny how the EU manages to distract so many MPs...

      1. FlatSpot
        Big Brother

        Re: The Bedroom Tax Man cometh

        @Vimes... hardly surprising when you consider whether they win or fail domestically (e.g Kinnock).. they need to make sure their EU retirement scam of gooning around Europe at the taxpayers expense is not going to be touched. Don't forget the nice fat salary, plush office and final salary pension. I would be sidetracked as well. EU is the retirement home of the political elite

    2. 's water music Silver badge

      Re: The Bedroom Tax Man cometh

      IDS is also back in the cabinet and he's been given an axe. So the nasty party is back doing what it really wanted to do the first time round

      Maybe the axe is for him to take out the back and do the decent thing? It takes some flair to run a public sector IT project that stands out from the others for it's failure. I was originally going to post that I wasn't surprised that he got his old job back because you would have to be mad to take over that unpolished turd from him but then I thought that that doesn't cut the field down that much.

  4. s. pam
    FAIL

    Jackboots and Jodhpurs anyone?

    Teflon Theresa in charge is like letting a paedophile protect a playground. She's so seriously done SFA for the UK in terms of protecting our borders I think with her at the reins we'll all be heading to Valhalla very shortly.

    She's clueless and needs to go home to Maidenhead!

    1. Vimes

      Re: Jackboots and Jodhpurs anyone?

      Funny you should mention jodhpurs - one of the first things they started talking about was making fox hunting legal again.

      http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/09/the-tories-are-bringing-back-fox-hunting-because-of-course-they-are-5189187/

      There's nothing like getting your priorities straight is there?

      1. Yugguy

        Re: Jackboots and Jodhpurs anyone?

        Ah, you mean like when Labour used the Parliament Act to force it through in the first place?

        1. Vimes

          Re: Jackboots and Jodhpurs anyone?

          @Yugguy Yes, after it was blocked by un-elected peers despite overwhelming support from elected MPs after free votes on the subject.

          Seems like an appropriate use of the Parliament Act to me. Out of curiosity what part of that did you object to?

          1. Yugguy

            Re: Jackboots and Jodhpurs anyone?

            That something used to catch war criminals and equalise the age of consent was used to worry about bloody foxes. Which are vermin.

            The fact that the Lords are unelected is a seperate issue.

        2. Vimes

          Re: Jackboots and Jodhpurs anyone?

          @yugguy:

          https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/01/09/british-people-still-support-fox-hunting-ban/

          The question remains therefore why the conservatives are so keen to allow it again?

          1. kraut

            Re: Jackboots and Jodhpurs anyone?

            It plays well amongst their core voters.

            TBH, the fate of foxes is the least of my worries for this country over the next five years.

            1. h4rm0ny

              Re: Jackboots and Jodhpurs anyone?

              "TBH, the fate of foxes is the least of my worries for this country over the next five years."

              Maybe so, but if your new boss said one of the first things they wanted to do was to let some of your office mates tear apart a living animal with dogs, it wouldn't be a good sign, would it?

  5. Graham Marsden
    IT Angle

    Ah, Out Run!

    One of my all time favourite arcade games.

    They had it at the Students Union and once, for the fun of it, I completed it by doing *all* the possible routes and held all the high scores!

    What has this to do with the article? Well, about as much as a picture of the arcade machine does with it...

    1. Amorous Cowherder
      Facepalm

      Re: Ah, Out Run!

      I once had a Summer job as a dogsbody at a sports centre. The town was a few miles away and I couldn't be bothered to walk, so apart from living off snacks from the vending machine I also spent every lunchtime for 2 months playing Outrun. I once completed 14 straight runs through it without fail. Meanwhile everyone else would be outside at lunchtimes enjoying the sunshine or taking advantage to use the sports equipment for free. Fairly obvious I was heading for a career in IT, that is stuck indoors in front of a screen, and kept away from direct sunlight!

      1. Yugguy

        Re: Ah, Out Run!

        Contra was what myself and my friend Adrian spent most of our student grant on. That and tuna and sweetcorn relish pizzas. They were so nice.

  6. hamiltoneuk

    We observed Kelly. George Osborne's lips are waffer thin.

  7. Fonant

    The Education establishment, having heard rumours that Gove was coming back to Education, are extremely relieved! It looks like fears of having to teach Latin in primary schools were, in fact, unfounded.

    However Gove as Justice Secretary is still very worrying. Will be see a return of the cane as school punishment, and workhouses for the poor?

    I'm holding out hope that the Tory majority is small enough that back benchers feel safe in making a noise. Otherwise we'll end up with the Snooper's Charter and a need to start using VPN connections to foreign servers for some things.

  8. h4rm0ny

    Theresa May. :(

    You know, I would actually vote for the Conservative Party if it weren't for the people in it.

    Okay - that made more sense in my head.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Theresa May. :(

      "Okay - that made more sense in my head."

      No, it makes very good sense. I think most people would agree with the basic tenet of one nation conservatism - perhaps a bit paternalistic, but no change just for the sake of it, an aversion to ideology of any kind, and a touch of noblesse oblige

      But instead we get far right radicals with obsessive ideologies that they pursue in the face of all evidence that they don't work, trying to argue that the poor are poor because they are lazy layabouts and the rich owe nothing to anybody.

      1. Yugguy

        Re: Theresa May. :(

        To be honest I would have liked to have seen the coalition continue, with the LibDems tempering the worst excesses of the right-wing.

        1. Graham Cobb

          Re: Theresa May. :(

          To be honest I would have liked to have seen the coalition continue, with the LibDems tempering the worst excesses of the right-wing.

          Yes. My first thought, on learning the result on Friday morning, was "WTF? I understand the disappointment with the LibDems but didn't people realise that they were the only thing keeping the Tories reined-in? What have you done!".

          Of course, no one realised that one in eight people voting UKIP would result in only one seat, but they were only ever useful for a protest vote -- they were never going to rein-in the Tories -- just push them further Right.

          I'm going to have to increase my contributions to ORG, No2ID, BBW, etc quite a lot.

          1. h4rm0ny

            Re: Theresa May. :(

            Same here - a continuation of the coalition would have been alright by me. Conservatives as a more competent government than Labour would be (who would be pretty harmful, imho) whilst the LibDems acted as a kind of speed limiter for evil.

        2. phil dude
          Megaphone

          Re: Theresa May. :(

          The Lib-Dems were mugs. We all know that now; we suspected it then. In the wilderness for so long, they could promise the Earth knowing full well they wouldn't need to deliver. The Tories knew this and being slimier and more skilled at manipulation dangled power at them like candy to a toddler. 5 years of impressive incompetence, and Tories get a majority and Lib-Dems get canned.

          Politicians venality and frankly inherent incompetence at "real world stuff" makes them an easy target. and it can only get worse with the current system.

          "It was never about good and evil, it's about Power". (J.Whedon)

          Politics needs to be completely dismantled and rebuilt around professional competence. Manifesto's should be contracts not promises.

          And perhaps brain-scans like Z.Beeblebrox had for all ministers?

          P.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's great to see so many commentaries living under the misapprehension that

    Ministers actually make decisions or deliver anything.

    Have you never watched "Yes, Minister"? It's as true today as it was 30 years ago, it's not the ministers who make these decisions, it's their advisors and the Civil Service.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Too true. I suspect, especially in the case of the snoopers charter, the ministers are at the whims of the civil servants rather than the other way round. People forget the previous labour government and their, almost identical, attempts to do something similar (IMP anyone?)

      Two parties, traditionally opposed ideologically, wanting to bring in the similar draconian laws? Personally, I feel voting in/out Labour or Conservative will matter little until the civil service is given a huge clearout.

      1. Graham Cobb

        The civil service are surely part of the problem, but I think it is ministers who have chosen to let the securocrats out of their bag and give them so much power and influence over the Home and Foreign offices to wipe out any objections from any more public-spirited civil servants.

        Unfortunately Authoritarian/Liberal is an orthogonal political dimension to Left/Right (not that the Labour party can be called left wing any more anyway). I see many "central planning" and "state control" socialists as just as authoritarian as "hanging and flogging" conservatives. The snoopers charter was always going to be a problem after this election unless either the Greens or the LibDems held some influence.

      2. Vimes

        Google the name 'Charles Farr' for one such example.

        Present in both Labour and Conservative governments and generally supportive it seems of what has ended up in the 'Snoopers Charter'.

  10. Chris G Silver badge

    Democracy WTF's that?

    So Terweasel May doesn't think Democracy applies to her? Having had the SC thrown out once she will continue to push it until she has HER own way. Who are the clowns that voted for her?

    Ah! Of course! None of them are doing anything wrong.......

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The same Michael Gove, author of essay "Bring Back The Noose"

    (The Times, Friday 31 July 1998) is now Justice Secretary? Charged with re-writing our human rights?

    Fills one with confidence, doesn't it?

  12. Mike Richards

    On the bright side...

    ...now they've been elected, some bereft of technical knowledge is going to have to explain how the Tories are going to mandate encryption with a backdoor *that can only be used by the 'good' guys*.

    That + snoopers charter + 'making Britain the best place to do business online'.

    It's been a while, but I think we might be about to experience a tech cock-up that makes Blunkettcards look well thought through.

  13. Marketing Hack Silver badge
    Devil

    Not surprised that Theresa May is back as Home Secretary

    After all, she still hasn't hatched her brood she laid there before the election.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hulture secretary

    Not sure we can expect much good of John Whittingdale:

    "A Conservative MP has been told his own 12-year-old daughter has broken a social networking site's rules, during an inquiry into internet safety.

    It dawned on John Whittingdale that there might be a problem when Bebo safety chief Rachel O'Connell told him the site operated an "over 13s" policy. "

    (BBC news 29 April 2008)

    1. Teiwaz Silver badge

      Re: Hulture secretary

      That's fairly shaky grounds for denigration.

      I mean maybe she was an early summer birth. I was. If you are born after some arbitrary date in June, you end up being almost a year younger than your classmates. That often makes life difficult enough.

      So would you support her 'social isolation' from her classmates, merely for the letter of the law?

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