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A Met copper received "management advice" after it emerged he had "participated in a pornographic film aimed at the gay market for which he had been paid money," a Freedom of Information response to El Reg has revealed. It is not clear from the response whether the officer in question was in uniform at the time or whether any …

  1. Graham Bartlett

    Seriously, if he's doing it on his own time, how's it any business of his employers?

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    2. Alister Silver badge

      Seriously, if he's doing it on his own time, how's it any business of his employers?

      I don't know if it is still the case, but historically a police officer had to adhere to certain moral, ethical, and legal standards in their private lives - for instance they would face disciplinary action if they defaulted on a debt, and were prohibited from taking part in certain activities.

      The offence committed would be "bringing the force (service) into disrepute".

      1. codejunky Silver badge

        @ Alister

        "I don't know if it is still the case, but historically a police officer had to adhere to certain moral, ethical, and legal standards in their private lives - for instance they would face disciplinary action if they defaulted on a debt, and were prohibited from taking part in certain activities.

        The offence committed would be "bringing the force (service) into disrepute"."

        I find it sad that some places do honestly think making a porn film is disreputable. Defaulting on a debt on the other hand.

        1. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: @ Alister

          As I understand it, officers working other jobs must declare them and be approved to do so.

          1. Fink-Nottle

            Re: @ Alister

            > As I understand it, officers working other jobs must declare them and be approved to do so.

            ... because the possibility of a conflict of interest exists if the employer was ever under police scrutiny.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: @ Alister

              Do we know that this happened because it was gay porn, or are we just assuming? Perhaps it's all porn or, say, like many contracts outside work is not allowed without authorisation? Did he declare the earnings for the video to HMRC?

              If it is due to it being porn and not another, legal, paid job and all else was above board then I agree it's appalling in today's society and even more so if it's because it was gay porn.

              But I know that I have signed a declaration not to do any work apart from that for my main employer without informing certain parties. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has signed something like it.

              <anonymous for obvious reasons>

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      3. Nigel Whitfield.

        @Alister Indeed, and for a long time, for instance, policemen (and I think the services too) weren't allowed to march in a Pride parade in their uniform, for exactly that reason.

        Now, of course, things are somewhat different and many of the diverse tentacles of the state don their uniform and take part in the London Pride parade in organised groups.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Most police forces do still require their officers to adhere to fairly strict guidelines, it's about the potential for blackmail and being left susceptible to bribery as much as anything.

        1. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

          "potential for blackmail"

          The only potential for blackmail here is the risk of being fired for something his employers object to. So I'd say that management with overly strict moral standards are what create a potential for blackmail. Remove them and the problem is solved.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re:

            As per the laundry files where gay agents were required to attend pride on the basis that if its in the open you can't be blackmailed for it

          2. drunk.smile
            Joke

            Re: "potential for blackmail"

            Actually I'll think you'll find, that's not the only potential for blackmale in this case.

      5. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "The offence committed would be "bringing the force (service) into disrepute"."

        In the States the cops do that quite well just "doing their jobs"

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      payment

      perhaps the met don't want competition?

    4. Charles Manning

      Times have moved on

      Making a porn movie or a fly fishing video... no difference unless kiddies were involved.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Times have moved on

        There's a joke in there about maggots and bait.

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    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      There is a precedent

      Carol Shaya Castro got fired for much less.

  2. Tromos
    Joke

    There go the plans for the sequel.

    "Dicks of Dock Green"

    1. gerryg

      Re: There go the plans for the sequel.

      or "The Boys in Blue"

      1. craigb

        Re: There go the plans for the sequel.

        or even "In the boys in blue"

        1. Marketing Hack Silver badge

          Re: There go the plans for the sequel.

          "Caged Heat 5: The Deepest Hole in Britain"

  3. The last doughnut

    Perhaps his further police career would be somewhat curtailed by the general knowledge of his - ahem - acting career.

    Anyway at least these guys are being disciplined for their misdeeds. May put off others from doing the same.

  4. alain williams Silver badge

    carrying out extensive unauthorised checks on the Police National Computer database.

    These are the ones that really concern me. The police are given special privileges to find things out about us - ANY abuse MUST be met by a high profile dismissal and loss of pension.

    I could not see how many of these were caught, but I suspect that the numbers reflect no more than the top of an iceberg.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: carrying out extensive unauthorised checks on the Police National Computer database.

      The headline should be about this gross abuse of power, not some poor bloke doing a porno, that's his business.

      Meanwhile there are police officers, selling information to criminals and carrying out unauthorised searches for who knows what, this is frightening and this is exactly why government surveillance needs to be curtailed. As you say this is probably just the tip.

      AC just to share: for last night's election I found it hard to really know who to vote for, I'm in a safe seat so not really an issue but even so, I found myself unable to vote for Labour because of their previous form on snooping and ID cards, meanwhile the Conservatives will no doubt be more sneaky about it while further reducing legal aid and getting us out of the EU, insulating us from Germany's slightly less totalitarian stance.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: carrying out extensive unauthorised checks on the Police National Computer database.

      "I could not see how many of these were caught"

      One would hope that there was an audit trail of who looks at what, and hopefully also a requirement to fill out a 'reason for looking' field in the database. One would further hope that an impartial information guardian would review a random selection of the PNC checks. Whilst this might be a needle in the haystack of needles job, it might put some off with the possibility of being caught.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: carrying out extensive unauthorised checks on the Police National Computer database.

        One would hope that there was an audit trail of who looks at what, and hopefully also a requirement to fill out a 'reason for looking' field in the database.

        That carries an implied assumption that such metrics cannot be "adjusted" by/for those who a little bit more intelligent. I think that ought to be verified.

    3. 2+2=5 Silver badge

      Re: carrying out extensive unauthorised checks on the Police National Computer database.

      > These are the ones that really concern me. The police are given special privileges to find things out about us - ANY abuse MUST be met by a high profile dismissal and loss of pension.

      173 allegations, 60 dismissals. I wonder if they can still avoid disciplinary action by changing force?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: carrying out extensive unauthorised checks on the Police National Computer database.

        More than they would admit to, and if they have 'got to go' how many get the option to resign, thus don't have 'dismissed' on their records, enabling them to keep their pension and apply to another force for a PCSO job, knowing that after a probationary period THEY CAN APPLY TO BECOME A CONSTABLE AGAIN.

  5. gregthecanuck
    Devil

    "It is not clear from the response whether the officer in question was in uniform at the time or whether any police equipment was used."

    Uniform or not it is highly likely some police "equipment" was put to use!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Coat

      That's not "police" equipment...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        > That's not "police" equipment...

        You've never been shafted by the plod, I see.

  6. frank ly Silver badge

    I wonder ....

    .... which senior officer was watching the video and said, "Hey, I recognise that ... er .... face."

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    emailing photographs to a member of the public

    I read that first as " emailing photographs of a member to the public"

    1. Lyndon Hills 1

      Re: emailing photographs to a member of the public

      I read that first as " emailing photographs of a member to the public

      Typical Met response to any enquiry?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fishing Expedition

    That's what this "news article" is. Juicy and totally misleading headline ("management advice" does not mean disciplinary action, much less a sacking as the headline suggests) about a non-issue.

    Meanwhile, you could have bothered to report on the causes of the sudden apparent raise of reported misuse cases, e.g., whether it is due to stricter policing, officers suddenly becoming corrupt all at once, methodology changes, ... but you didn't make any effort to explain any of that.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Scenario

    Mise en scene : police station cell.....

    Police Office : Now then sonny, if you don't tell me whodunnit you might just get to feel the full force of the law.....[sliding truncheon up and down in hand] and I think that we will begin with a quick cavity search just in case.....

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why have a headline stating "gay porn film"? It was a porno, what difference does it make and who cares what type it was?

    Tsk tsk ElReg.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Probably because it was a gay porn film...

      I can tell all this is beneath you, but on many porn sites the type is crucial to selection. At least you know what category to look under if you want to see it. And trust me on this, all porn is not created equal, no matter how much one might parade the flag of "Holier than thou, all is equal" small mind.

      BTW, I'm pretty sure the author intentionally used the word "gay", to highlight one thing you might be missing. and to play happy on the other.

    2. Cynic_999 Silver badge

      Presumably you are also objecting to the fact that the policeman's gender was reported, because that also is irrelevant?

  11. smartypants

    Is there a link?

    I need to judge for myself on this matter!

  12. x 7

    since when has the Police uniform included a purple helmet? Or was is a protector for his truncheon?

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    emailing photographs [...], one of which was of "a very graphic nature"

    Isn't it the true nature of photographs to be graphic?

  14. RISC OS

    If only...

    ...he had come quietly!

    So is he gay? Or was it just gay-for-pay?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If only...

      Obligatory

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izVFZG26hNY

      1. Dr Paul Taylor

        Re: If only...

        This video appears to be about Prince Harry. He was a bit of a clown when he was younger, but then he demonstrated that he is a guy with plenty of guts. I am not usually noted as a screaming royalist, but frankly this link is out of order in the context of this story.

  15. Matty1965

    ".. recorded against Metropolitan Police Service employees .."

    This is the key sentence. This does NOT mean all these were police officers. There are large numbers of civilian staff working in the Metropolitan Police.

  16. Tigra 07 Silver badge
    Coat

    "It is not clear from the response whether the officer in question was in uniform at the time or whether any police equipment was used"

    Betting he got his truncheon out

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