back to article Mt Gox LEAKED Bitcoin for years before heist, says WizSec

WizSec, a Tokyo-based group that's been investigating the Bitcoin thefts that eventually led to the unravelling of Mt Gox, reckons the crypto-currency was going missing from the trading firm long before it collapsed. The group's analysis suggests that the pilfering goes back as far as 2011, leading to a shortfall when Mt Gox …

  1. Winkypop Silver badge
    Devil

    While we are on the musical tropes

    As Max Merritt & The Meteors sang:

    -----------------------------------------------------

    Baby, I've been watching you

    Watching everything you do

    And I just can't help feeling

    Someone else is stealing

    You away from me

    ---

    I see it written in your eyes

    And you confirm it with your lies

    Though the whip you weave can hold me

    I would rather that you told me

    Where you want to be

    ---

    Oooh! slipping away from me

    Oooh! slipping away from me

    And it's breaking me in two

    Watching you slipping away

  2. bill 36

    I let him slip away

    Kris Kristofferson must be wondering how his work ever ended up on El Reg :>)

  3. Tim Worstal

    This has all been most amusing to historians of money and banking. The past 5 years seem to have had compressed into them any and every monetary and banking scam that the human race has ever managed to invent.

    A decent history of John Law or perhaps the state licensed banks of the American West would provide an excellent guide to what's happening in e-currencies.

    1. S4qFBxkFFg

      Any predictions about the Next Big Thing associated with bitcoin?

      1. TakeTheSkyRoad

        Over the counter trading of Bitcoin backed shares...

        http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote

        1. WibbleMe

          ummm there was an articel about the Bank of England doing research into their own brand

      2. swschrad

        how about, insolvency

        because that BiteCon just slips away mysteriously

  4. ratfox Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    Still don't understand

    I still don't understand how the money could have disappeared, when every bitcoin fan claims that it's impossible to steal bitcoin because all transactions are recorded forever.

    1. DavCrav Silver badge

      Re: Still don't understand

      I still don't understand how the money could have disappeared, when every bitcoin fan claims that it's impossible to steal bitcoin because all transactions are recorded forever."

      That's how we can tell they've been stolen, at least.

    2. TakeTheSkyRoad

      Re: Still don't understand

      The transactions are recorded forever but it is usually not clear who controls the addresses.

      The investigator thinks that some of the addresses are linked to the btc-e exchange but only the exchange themselves will know for sure when they check their records. There is also every chance that bitcoins could have been sold and moved off exchange to someone thinking they are buying legitimately obtained bitcoin so even if a transaction trace does end up at an exchange account which can be tied to an actual person (all exchanges comply with KYC checks these days) then it doesn't automatically follow that this person is the hacker. They may however be able to provide investigators with the details of who they bought the bitcoin from.

      So this sort of this is traceable but with ALLOT of detective work and only with the co-operation of all concerned. Even so some services exist solely to muddy the trail and are unlikely to cooperate.

      Still more traceable than cash.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Still don't understand

        "So this sort of this is traceable but with ALLOT of detective work and only with the co-operation of all concerned. Even so some services exist solely to muddy the trail and are unlikely to cooperate."

        So in other words, exactly as traceable as cash.

  5. Kanhef

    hmm

    The discrepancy starts showing up around August 2011. Mt Gox was hacked in June 2011. They rolled back transactions after the hack, but I don't see much talk about strengthening security; my guess is that the hacker still had or quickly regained access, and decided to loot the place more slowly, avoiding the big selloffs that attracted attention the first time.

  6. David Roberts

    So a bit like finding a dodgy ATM which pays twice and debits your account once.

    You just keep withdrawing money then paying it back in.

    The bank thinks it is increasing its deposits when the opposite is happening.

    Although paying it back into MtGox seems a bit dumb when you hit the point where it is virtually empty.

    One thing - at some point they must have counted their BC and found the discrepancy.

    Wonder when?

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