back to article Huawei P8: Chinese mobes have arrived and the West should tremble

Networking kit giant Huawei didn’t even make mobile phones four years ago, but its classy new P8 flagship shows what astonishing progress it’s made to come within striking distance of the market leaders. The Shenzen-based, employee-owned company unveiled its P8 at a huge, splashy launch in London’s Old Billingsgate Market. …

  1. Pen-y-gors Silver badge

    Can't disagree

    Got a OnePlus One a couple of months ago: 3GB RAM, 64GB Storage, excellent screen and camera, £279! Seriously ace bit of kit. Never mind trembling, the 'competitors' might as well go and open a vein (with a gold-plated razor blade in Apple's case)

    1. Breen Whitman

      Re: Can't disagree

      "the 'competitors' might as well go and open a vein (with a gold-plated razor blade in Apple's case)"

      Ironically, Apple users do that every other day. Not enough to kill themselves obviously. That'd be too mainstream.

  2. Irongut

    2680mAh battery

    But is it removable?

    1. Antonymous Coward
      Gimp

      Re: 2680mAh battery

      No.

      Glued in place for your pleasure.

      http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_p8-7006.php

      1. Nigel 11

        Re: 2680mAh battery

        Oh yuk. I was going to ask if it came with stock Android, or with loads on non-removeable apps like Samsungs. But if you can't replace the battery, I'll stick with my Samsung anyway.

  3. martinusher Silver badge

    It had to happen

    Those of us who's dismissed the Chinese as "good at putting things together and maybe copying things" have never worked in technology and so seen first hand just how many high quality Chinese engineers there are. They're everywhere....and they're the ones that aren't living in the PRC. So its kind of inevitable that they were going to come up with their own devices sooner or later. After all, they're not only smart but they've learned from the best -- all that outsourcing gave them everything they need to know about manufacturing, marketing and distribution.

    1. Teiwaz Silver badge

      Re: It had to happen

      > Those of us who's dismissed the Chinese as "good at putting things together and maybe copying things"

      I remember the same thing used to said about the Japanese.

      The eternal cycle

      copy cheaply -> copy more efficiently -> out-innovate -> move production somewhere cheaper -> slowly become service based -> (not sure what's next, but I hope I don't live to see it) -> copy cheaply. -> ...

      1. big_D Silver badge

        Re: It had to happen

        @Teiwaz beat me to it, I was going to write the same thing.

      2. Nigel 11

        Re: It had to happen

        ... slowly become service based -> (not sure what's next, but I hope I don't live to see it) -> copy cheaply. -> ..

        What comes next is to go down the Tesco, Ryanair or Microsoft route (or Digital, for those over 55 that remember). Get fat and lazy. Start ignoring your customers, treat them as sheep to be fleeced and led to (financial) slaughter. Until one day, there aren't enough suckers left and huge profit turns to loss.

        At that point the company is headed for extinction, unless it remains able to remodel itself. (Ryanair seems to have managed that trick. Tesco and Microsoft, the jury's still out. Digital dismembered itself and died horribly.)

      3. Triggerfish

        Re: It had to happen

        Seem to remember some program talking about how the Japanese came over and spent a long time looking at bikes like Triumphs a few years later, Yamaha's and Kawasaki's etc turned up. Must be even easier for the Chinese they already have the infrastructure from making everyone's already..

      4. joejack

        Re: It had to happen

        It's a long-running cycle. David Hume wrote this in 1752, reprinted in Andy Kessler's "How We Got Here", a fun and still-relevant read from 2004:

        “There seems to be a happy concurrence of causes in human affairs, which checks the growth of trade and riches, and hinders them from being confined entirely to one people; as might naturally at first be dreaded from the advantages of an established commerce. Where one nation has gotten the start of another in trade, it is very difficult for the latter to regain the ground it has lost; because of the superior industry and skill of the former, and the greater stocks, of which its merchants are possessed, and which enable them to trade on so much smaller profits. But these advantages are compensated, in some measure, by the low price of labour in every nation which has not an extensive commerce, and does not much abound in gold and silver. Manufactures, therefore gradually shift their places, leaving those countries and provinces which they have already enriched, and flying to others, whither they are allured by the cheapness of provisions and labour; till they have enriched these also, and are again banished by the same causes. And, in general, we may observe, that the dearness of every thing, from plenty of money, is a disadvantage, which attends an established commerce, and sets bounds to it in every country, by enabling the poorer states to undersell the richer in all foreign markets.”

  4. Zog_but_not_the_first Silver badge

    Looks like...

    ... the dragon is awake.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Looks like...

      I know this is an article about a phone, and not really anything to do with geopolitical history. But, a lot of people think that in recorded human history, china has been the dominant 'power' for the majority of it, in very many ways. I think we europeans / people of european origin / people who mainly comsume trans-atlantic media have a rather western leaning view of history and China doesn't get the credit it deserves So, no real surprise that they are making nice phones really. Yep, it's a tenuous link, I apologise.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The Alcatel OneTouch Idol 3 is a very promising looking phone, all for £200. Any plans to do a review on that Andrew ? I'm considering this for my next phone.

    Specs:

    5.5-inch 1080×1920 display (443ppi)

    64 bit Octa-core Snapdragon 615 chip – 1.5GHz quad + 1GHz quad

    13MP rear camera

    8MP front camera

    Android 5.0 Lollipop

    Dual front-facing speakers with JBL audio

    16GB storage – expandable to 128GB

    2GB RAM

    2,910mAh battery (13hrs talktime on 3G)

    Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n

    1. Phuq Witt
      Holmes

      Review

      If you want a site with pretty in-depth mobile phone reviews, I'd recommend GSMArena and, in the case of your particular request: this page

      *[Hopefully this link to another 'tech' site won't be considered too naughty, given GSMArena is pretty narrowly focussed on just phones & tablets. No affiliation, etc...]*

  6. W. Anderson

    via additional choices are good

    Since Samsung has seen fit to pre-install Microsoft mobile apps that I detest and that cannot be removed, I will most certainly look closely at new Huawei P8 smartphone as alternative to Samsung S6 for purchase soon.

    Samsung and other Mobile behemoths, most from West must realize that viable choices could and should blunt their domination, ofter oppressively and draconian of mobile marketplace, providing at least some level of fair trade options.

  7. Alex G

    China Syndrome

    Hi

    I have a Meizu M1 Note, approx £200 including DHL shipping from Singapore, similar specs to the Alcatel Onetouch. Very happy with it.

    1. therebel

      Re: China Syndrome

      When looking at some of the lesser known Chinese brands it's worth checking the 4G bands as often they will only work with certain UK networks and only partially. That may be important to some users.

  8. Al Black

    Who are we?

    Who are we? Huawei!

    1. Antonymous Coward
      Headmaster

      Re: Who are we?

      Very droll. Except that isn't how it's pronounced :-|

      1. Doogs

        Re: Who are we?

        Huawei the lads?

  9. cs94njw

    Oooo seriously tempted.... would prefer an Android 5.* to a proprietary OS, which I understand is on the One PlusOne?

    1. 27escape

      its cyanogen

      or you can have their version of paranoid android (oxygenos)

  10. Bassey

    The slight letdown

    Having owned a few Chinese phones there is a slight downside to ownership. Yes, you get a very high quality device for relatively little money - BUT, there is zero support. I've owned a ZTE and a Huawei and there were zero updates for them. Now, you could argue that this isn't all that important to the general public. If the phone works and does everything you want then who cares if you can't get the latest release of Android? Which is true, unless your device is released with a bug (and my Huawei was) or Google releases a Turkey (Android 5.0) in which case you are either stuffed (general public) or reliant on XDA Devs (those of us on here). That's why, after a few years of owning Chinese phones with some hits but a few significant misses, last year I went with the relatively safe Sony Z1 Compact.

    1. e^iπ+1=0

      Re: The slight letdown

      No support, also no 3rd party ROMs often. I've got 2 Huawei phones (G300+ and G526). One got a virtually unusable upgrade to ICS (poor partitioning), the other nothing to speak of.

      There are no 3rd party ROMs.

      On the plus side they do both have SD card slots and removable batteries!

  11. url

    wireless charging

    I've had it on my Nokia 1520 since launch day well over a year ago.

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