back to article The Shock of the New: The Register redesign update 4

Readers, thanks for all the feedback. Here's a list of tweaks we rolled out today. Changed screen outside site background colour from white to grey. Top Art in stories - now editorially selectable - in response to feedback about relevance (see above). Reduced headline font size on Hero “story” at top of front page, articles …

  1. Admiral Grace Hopper
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    Footer link

    Thank you for that, that makes things much more usable. The other changes are welcome, but that's the one that tips me into the pro camp. Some of the aesthetics aren't what I'd choose - it still looks rather glaring - but hey, I'll wear shades.

    1. Wensleydale Cheese
      Joke

      Conspiracy theory for the weekend

      "it still looks rather glaring - but hey, I'll wear shades."

      Is it a coincidence that this week my spam folder has been full of adverts for dodgy Raybans or has some tracking site decided that I now need them to read El Reg?

      1. Scroticus Canis

        Re: Conspiracy theory for the weekend - Dodgy RayBans (off topic reply)

        Remember the day RayBans used to come with a UV filtering certificate? They don't any more so won't help much with the new dazzling Reg layout.

        They're all dodgy since B&L sold the brand-name to an Italian fashion house manufacturer who now make all the bling-name sunglasses. Have tried them and they just aren't optically correct any more.

  2. Jim Hague
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    2.5 cheers!

    Thank you, thank you. These changes - especially the grey sidebars - much appreciated.

    Remaining on my list for Santa - shrink the front page image so I can see more story headlines.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: 2.5 cheers!

      I'd prefer the grey even darker - mid/gunmetal grey please.

      1. Steven Raith

        Re: 2.5 cheers!

        I think anything darker would be a bit severe, but ta for the light grey - that makes it less harsh on the eyes.

        I'm pretty cool with it all now :-)

        Steven R

  3. Joseph Eoff
    Meh

    Progress

    Well, I can remove my userContent.css file.

    Thank you for fixing the links.

  4. Shadow Systems Silver badge

    Still no Print link?

    A Control+F to Find "Print" returns no results on this page. Does that mean you'll not be bothering to comply with the DDA as far as Accessibility is concerned either?

    1. Swarthy Silver badge

      Re: Still no Print link?

      If you can type Ctrl+F, can you type Ctrl+P? then there is no need to find a Print link.

      1. matchbx
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        Re: Still no Print link?

        kindly explain to me how to print a 5 page article without clicking and printing each page one at a time.

      2. Joseph Eoff

        Re: Still no Print link?

        Actually, there is a need for the print link.

        The print link isn't just to print the page. It also shows multi-page articles condensed into one page.

        Handy for lots of things besides printing - like reading an article without having to flip pages and wait for the next to load and render with all the !§$$§"$%$& pictures.

        You can add /print.html to the end of any article address to get the print page, so the support is still there. All that needs to be done is to replace the idiotic "social media" button with a button that does something useful.

        1. matchbx
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          Re: Still no Print link?

          Thank you very much, I was not aware of that tidbit.

        2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          Re: Still no Print link?

          Actually, there is a need for the print link.

          Agreed but the stylesheets for printing can still be improved to strip the sidebar and the navigation.

        3. gloucester

          Re: Still no Print link?

          @Joseph Eoff: have an up-vote.

          Putting: Print/ in the URL before the 2014 (or 2015 as soon to be) also seems to do the trick FWIW.

          E.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/12/19/the_register_redesign_update_4/

      3. Shadow Systems Silver badge

        @Swarthy re the Print link.

        For those of us whom are Totally Blind & using a Screen Reader Environment (SRE), the page that results from clicking the Print link is Accessible as far as the DDA is concerned. The SRE can read it without puking, and since all the images (which I can't see anyway) and back end code only has to be loaded once, the SRE can actually do it's job. Merely telling my computer to print the page does nothing to render the page Accessible, and since I don't have a printer, all a Control+P does is throw up an error box to install a printer first.

        (What good is a printer to a blind person? We can't tell if it printed anything, can't see if the ink is going bad, and for all we know the printer is spitting out blank pages as it silently laughs at us. Printers are for folks whom can see to verify that anything got printed at all. And even if it DOES print, what am I supposed to do with it now? I can't see it to READ it either.)

        So I'll UpVote you for being silly, but also make this reply to point out that there was a valid legal & technical reason for the return of the Print link. Cheers!

        1. keithpeter
          Windows

          Re: @Swarthy re the Print link.

          "What good is a printer to a blind person? We can't tell if it printed anything, can't see if the ink is going bad, and for all we know the printer is spitting out blank pages as it silently laughs at us."

          I hope you are successful in getting The Register to restore the Print page link.

          Does your screen reader recognise the 'skip to content' link at the top of each page? That link is set so as to be invisible to those using a visual brower by using a style sheet property, but is supposed to be recognised by screen readers and text-only browsers.

          PS: I teach in a College in the UK. About 15 years ago I had a blind Braille reading student show up on a course. I was able to access a braille printer and a tactile image printer for providing him with lesson notes at a (very) local University. I changed the set textbook that year to one that the RNIB had available in Braille. It worked for him... perhaps try a local University should you want hard copy to refer to generally?

        2. Swarthy Silver badge

          Re: @Swarthy re the Print link.

          I did not know that their print page was that robust. In which case I will update my previous feelings of "Meh" regarding the print button, to "Seriously Reg, you took out Accessability function? That's a worse idea than the all-white background was!"

  5. ld0614

    Update 3

    Is it just me or is update 3 missing? What happened to it?

    While the site change was a bit of a shock kudos for the way your listening, I'm definitely coming around to it now

    1. adrianww

      Re: Update 3

      Not just you - I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they don't like us and have only shown update 3 to the El Reg Illuminati. (The El-luminati?)

    2. T. F. M. Reader Silver badge

      Re: Update 3

      I was wondering the same thing, too. Some guesses:

      * El Reg only operates in powers of 2...

      * Like Microsoft's OS versions, every other one is so awful that it should better remain unmentioned...

      * Like Intel's tick-tock, a bona fide update consists of two steps, of which the first one is merely shrinking of the headline font...

      * They were going to Interview Update 3 designers and then they were planning to assassinate them, but North Korea objected...

      1. Drewc Gold badge

        Re: Update 3

        I have nothing to say about update 3... OK, OK I was confused.

    3. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Update 3

      Did you not get the singing cuddly vulture delivered by UPS yesterday? It explains the corporate rationale for the redesign, sings we wish you a Merry Christmas, and then updates you on version 3.

      I thought everyone had got it.

  6. ehoffman

    Thanks!

    The visited links color makes my day! Thanks to have put that back to high contrast. It was difficult to see the difference on a LCD screen (who still own a CRT anyway?) for someone with normal vision. Imagine for someone with even a slight level of vision impairment like daltonism (color blindness) or with lower contrast sensitivity.

    Regards

    1. Chris Miller

      Re: Thanks!

      Concur. Though in Chrome links from 'The Channel' don't show as visited (the same problem existed on the 'old' web site) - works in IE, I imagine it's something to do with the different web site (channelregister.co.uk).

  7. Jeroen Braamhaar

    THANK YOU SO MUCH for changing the color of the 'read' links to red from the "did I read that or did I not" off-blackish grey from before!

    Keep up the good work !!

  8. Keef

    Thank you.

    Much better, thank you for the changes.

    I've still yet to see an integer value filling the white space to the right of the g+ icon in the social media links though.

    Is that a bug or is nobody using g+? Rhetorical question, just my feeble attempt at humour...

  9. Zog_but_not_the_first Silver badge

    Something familar here

    There's something vaguely familiar about web pages with grey backgrounds, but I can't recall the details. So long ago...

    Where's the spinning globe icon?

    {Seriously - a great improvement. I've taken my shades off}

  10. Alistair Silver badge
    Pint

    Noticed that stuffs --

    Much lighter on the eyes with the outer border being grey - (see caveat below)

    Nice to see the visited contrast -- I've relied on that in the past since I rarely note the headline -

    Framing lines are better - but could still be darker - again - thats me.

    I still like the idea of the subhead background being a slightly offset shade -- it will help with the overall "whiteness".

    The font size change on the hero pic is good but personally I still find the image too large. I get that mucking it down much farther will play hell with the overall layup of top of column, but I really really really do think it can shrink a bit... perhaps stuffing the subhead for the top article into column 3 of the header in finer print???? dunno - but thats just a thought.

    The banner -- the christmas one is *much* easier on the eyes. Please keep this in mind, that large swath of red was a bit much for me - please also consider .... something ... to break up that large block of red with nothing but the title to break it up - black trim on the lettering or the vulture? dunno - but its a mite too much on its own.

    Forward progress is good progress -- please keep working on things.

    Beer 'cause yer workin on the last friday before christmas, and you don't have a chocolate and candycane icon

  11. Bloodbeastterror

    Better

    Grey sides less harsh on the eyes. Red read article links easy to see.

    I may even bookmark you again...

    1. Bloodbeastterror

      Re: Better

      But why the ridiculously oversized full-screen pictures at the top of every article? When I click a link I want to start reading, not have to page down first before I reach the text. It's a benefit to you as well in not wasting time looking for vaguely-relevant images, so you can concentrate on the writing.

      Come on, people, put a bit more thought into usability instead of pointless glitz...

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    it might be more manageable to give us your feedback directly via this article

    but in the true spirit of commentardness, we shall continue to populate the feedback section of the other article, thankyouverymuch.

    1. moiety

      Re: it might be more manageable to give us your feedback directly via this article

      No we won't! (Just arguing for the sake of it...).

      :)

  13. bill 36

    It's much better

    One more tweak?

    How about NOT black writing on white or grey for the headlines?

    Red or dare i say it BBC blue?

    Have a nice weekend and enjoy the beer!

  14. eddystone82

    Back to the future?

    Seems to me that most of the changes are slowly taking it back to how it was before?

    1. Bloodbeastterror

      Re: Back to the future?

      I certainly hope so. But humble pie tastes really bad, you know? So I'm not holding my breath...

  15. Salts

    Much Easier on the Eyes

    Also like the link at the bottom being back, it is a commentard friendly feature:-)

    Thank you

  16. matchbx
    Facepalm

    either do one of two things.... stop posting articles with multiple pages or bring back the print button.

  17. Doctor Evil

    Better!

    Definitely an improvement!

    Now restore the Print icon and lose the clip art site decoration and you've nailed it.

  18. timcroydon

    Whitespace above masthead

    Much prefer the grey sidebars, although could possibly use a smidge of El Reg red so it's not pure monochrome? Say #eeeaea?

    There's a white bar between the #topbar and the masthead that could be removed to save a few pixels (remove margin + border.bottom?)

  19. moiety

    Much appreciated, thanks.

  20. Len Goddard

    Three steps back, two steps forward.

    Well, it is an improvement. Having the read links red is a sensible move. They grey sidebars are less obnoxious but I would still prefer they were used for something useful. If I maximise the web browser when displaying the register I end up with a 2x3 application window inside of a 16x10 screen. Not a sensible use of real estate.

    Keep going, another couple of weeks and you may be back to something almost as good as what you started with. Meanwhile I'll stay with www.thregister.co.uk/Week because I still can't stand the homepage layout.

  21. Bill M

    Any chance of a daily BOFH ?

    1. Alistair Silver badge

      @Bill M

      I think everyone here wishes for that.

      But, I suppose allowing him the time to refine his work to its usual biting and poignant result is more than worth the wait.

  22. Mephistro Silver badge
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    Thank you++

    The site is much more usable and nicer to the eyes now. Tops!

  23. frank ly

    The masthead is depressing

    I don't like Christmas. I'm patient; I'll wait.

  24. lawndart

    says:

    We're getting there.

    The giant picture and vast font of the headliner is still a pain if you are looking for new stories from your Opera Speed Dial or other browser equivalent, because the headline story is all you get.

    The way the headlines are done in each of the categories is much better. Yes, it is pretty much how it was before, but that worked.

    Probably very much a long shot, but since we have to log in to comment, would it be possible to include some settings in the user profile so we can select how The Register looks for ourselves?

    This would also give you feedback.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: says:

      Try using the RSS feeds. No need to visit main site to look for new articles.

      Works for me anyway :-)

  25. web_bod
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    Better

    That looks a lot better - the grey border is a lot easier on the eye and the visited link colour makes the site a lot easier to use - thanks!

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You can't polish a turd!

    But you can roll it in glitter...

    1. moiety

      *ahem*

      You can, apparently.

  27. Camilla Smythe

    How long....

    Is it going to take you to put it back to how it was before whilst hoping people do not notice?

  28. Terry Cloth
    Unhappy

    Can I have my vertical space back, please?

    That immovable thing at the top that says

    ``[vulture] DATA CENTER SOFTWARE [...] WEEKEND EDITION''.
    The width is limited by the sidebars, and now I can't have the full height of the screen, either. I can find my way to the top of the page in numerous ways, none of them requiring a fixed area waiting to attack should I push my cursor out of the way, and end up there by accident. (Admittedly, the delay is a help if you're just passing through, but I'd like to see the whole thing go away.)

    Maybe it's time to learn to do site-specific CSS. :-(

  29. Joseph Eoff
    Meh

    Getting there

    I see you've got ads in the blank space to the sides. That's good, so long as you drop the ad above the masthead and in the articles.

    I also see that you've removed the useless pictures from some of the articles.

    Woo, hoo. Progress.

    Now nail the menu to the top of the page, get rid of the ginormous picture in the top tease, make all of the article_img pictures either small or get rid of them, and we can be happy.

  30. Gomez Adams

    Hurrah!

    Visited link colour back to noticeable.

  31. Benjamin 4

    Much better with the gray. Now please just stop the topics bar (or whatever you call it data centre / software / networks etc) from being always at the top of the screen. When scrolling using page down you lose the top line of text and have to scroll back up to read it.

  32. Mark 85 Silver badge
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    Ah... so far, so good. Much easier on the eyes.

  33. William Donelson

    Still not compact enough. Too much scrolling. TONS of white space can be removed and end up with better readability etc. Go to four columns.

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  35. tfewster Silver badge
    Happy

    Top Art in stories - now editorially selectable - in response to feedback about relevance

    Thank you, now when I click an article that interests me I'm straight into the content (and it's less obvious I'm not working :-) It was getting ridiculous, if the article had photos one would be duplicated at the top of the page so no value was added.

    Thank you also for the grey background, much easier on the eyes.

    I'd add my vote for 4 columns, though BBC News and The Onion seem to use the same width as New-Reg

  36. Johndoe888
    Pint

    Next time

    Why not ask first, I am sure there are folks here who are more than capable of reworking the site, we could have a poll on the member submitted site versions :)

    Edit, lets expand on that idea and have an open source option, Vulture submitted content in an easy form for member sourced wrappers to use :)

  37. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nearly there

    Just the ridiculously stupendously enormously pointlessly vast (and almost always irrelevant) image that occupies two thirds of the prime space at the top of each page to get rid of, or at least shrink to a third of the size, now!

  38. earl grey Silver badge
    Pint

    pictures ARE required

    When you have lots of skin to show; or playmobile revelations. Have a beer; much better.

  39. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Single page view.

    One used to be able to view pages on a single page, for printing.

    Please restore that feature.

  40. Alister Silver badge

    Thanks very much for listening, and thanks for the home page navigation at the bottom.

  41. Ozzard

    Improvement - thanks! -

    (Very occasional commenter, please be gentle... oh, what the heck, this is El Reg!)

    Usual viewing environment: 24" 18:9 LCD. Every vertical pixel is precious!

    Update 4's a considerable improvement on previous iterations - thanks to the design team, and a special thanks for making it possible to miss out the huge information-poor stock photos on the tops of stories!

    As others have noted, I'd prefer a more information-dense front page. A typical old-school techie who grew up on green screens (once punched cards went away), I read very quickly (ALL CAPS less so) and it takes time to shift my brain between text and images, or even between significantly different text sizes. The current version gives me very little of what I want (text that I can process quickly to decide whether I want to view more detail), especially on a landscape screen.

    I'd love to see the floating menu bar pinned back to the top of the page. As noted above, every vertical pixel's precious to me. Add in the design truism that ALL CAPS is harder to read at speed (check out the developer loathing of Visual Studio 2012 menus on Windows 8 if you think the vitriol here was bad) and my comment that I have to do a mental gear shift to read different text sizes, and you get the irritating situation that I've just lost some of the most scarce resource on my screen to something that I don't use and can't read.

    All that said, *thank you* for continuing to iterate after release, and for being willing to take comments at all. A technical audience is one of the hardest to design for - there are many reasons for this, not all reflecting well on the audience - and rarely pulls punches on feedback.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Improvement - thanks! -

      "every vertical pixel's precious to me."

      And to me, upvoted for that specific comment. With the almost ubiquitous use of widescreen monitors, whether that be desktop, laptop or tablets/phones in landscape mode, building a site that "steals" vertical resolution while enforcing a reletively narrow horizontal width is just so old fashioned and 20th century. Especially since 720, 768 and 1080 seems to be the "standard" for most screens.

      On the other hand, massively wide pages aimed at swipey touch screens where everything is a side-swipe away is equally as bad!

  42. Lars

    Hmm

    Perhaps I am feeling my age but why did you feel this demand to change anything. I had no problems and now I have this feeling I have t click more than before. A sort of an Firefox feeling for no reason at all. And I know I will accept it but still I feel Google has done it right in not altering anything at sign on while again making gmail more and more stupid.

  43. ma1010 Silver badge
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    Much Improved!

    Site looks a lot better. Is El Reg applying the BOFH principle wherein you give users something totally crap to the point where getting back what they had before looks like an upgrade, "Like Windows 8 and Vista"?

  44. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why doesn't the header row font change size?

    When reducing the page zoom (using control mouse wheel), the page text gets smaller but the header (DATA CENTRE SOFTWARE etc) doesn't.

    End result is that WEEKEND EDITION wraps on to the next line and is overlaid on page content, often making it impossible to read.

    Please fix.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Why doesn't the header row font change size?

      "When reducing the page zoom (using control mouse wheel), the page text gets smaller but the header (DATA CENTRE SOFTWARE etc) doesn't.

      Please fix."

      Either it's been fixed or it's a browser/OS specific problem. Firefox 34 on XUbunto 12.04 here and the menu bar scales on ctrl-scroll for me.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Why doesn't the header row font change size?

        I'm using Firefox 34.0.5 on linux.

        I concede that the fonts now change in sync with the page zoom. However, the wrap around still forces "WEEKEND EDITION" to show on the next line. Zooming to any size (greater or less than 100%) makes no difference to this symptom.

        Additionally, when opeing a comments page (like this one), the right hand column is missing until I scroll down far enough for the "DATA CENTRE" header bar to be at the top of the screen, when the right hand column suddenly appears and the comments are shifted left.

        I've tried disabling Noscript and Adblock without success. Similarly, starting Firefox in safemode makes no difference.

  45. Barry Rueger

    I'm wandering away

    Am I alone in finding that I visit and read far fewer stories than in the past?

    For whatever reason this new look just doesn't draw me in, and I'm finding that I'm just not enticed to scroll down through all of the great swaths of white space.

    In other words, because I can see only four stories in their entirety when I visit, I don't tend to look any further. More stories visible without scrolling = more pages visited.

    I'd love to see how visitor metrics have changed.

    1. chivo243 Silver badge

      Re: I'm wandering away

      Agreed! I know I'm reading less content. The layout of the front page really angries up my blood. I hate the "Don't Miss" positioning on the left of the page. It disrupts the natural tracking of my eyes, and I go back to the top and try again, and then stop reading. Either use the whole row for "Don't Miss" or remove it. Three headlines could reside there instead of one, the "Don't Miss" headline doesn't count as it is a regular story somewhere on the page.

      The headlines also seem weaker, not as enticing.

  46. Steve 114
    Meh

    Scrolling

    Still too much scrolling on these modern laptops where you are looking through a letterbox. White space may be stylish, but it conveys nothing.

  47. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This 'tardiverse...

    ...is an education. Shows how varied we are in likes and dislikes. For me the size of that pic at the top is overwhelmingly the most user-unfriendly part of the whole redesign.

  48. feliksch

    "Print"-button?

    Did you just forget to sew the "Print"-button on or don't you like us?

  49. Chris Evans

    Time posted, not elapsed time please.

    I'd find it very useful if on the front page you could revert to the time posted for each story, not elapsed time since posting. I read ElReg on various computers and know roughly when I last looked but with elapsed time I have to work it out and wonder do you round it up or down to the nearest hour.

    I like the fact that stories now have posting time as well as date.

    1. gloucester

      Re: Time posted, not elapsed time please.

      Agree. You get the proper times back by disabling Javascript though (currently).

  50. chivo243 Silver badge

    Link color

    the blue/green/grey link for the category and the story type above and below the articles take on a psychedelic appearance when scrolling on my macbook air 13"(non retina). I've also noticed some weird text colorations related to spacing of the text.

    No sign of the most comment tab.

    Bin the drop down photo's connected with each category at the top. Unless you're going to fill them with "interesting" content, and in that case shrink the size a bit, and put the dropdown delay to 1.5 seconds. The dropdowns obscure some links.

    Thanks for the changes already made, the grey sidebars help.

  51. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Still not there.

    "Top Art in stories - now editorially selectable"

    Clear the message hasn't got through to enough editors. I tried removing the block on images from regmedia but quickly reimposed it; overall the site's better without any images than it is with these almost entirely irrelevant clonkers hiding the top of the stories.

  52. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    Front page font sizes

    Any chance of knocking all the fonts on the front page down by 2 or 4 points each? I rarely, if ever feel the need to scale a page manually at my end, but I find the front page of El Reg works better with two clicks of Ctrl-Scroll Down. In the case of articles, one Ctrl-ScrlDn is about right.

    For reference, 15" laptop, 1024x768

  53. Chelios

    The grey is a great improvement.

  54. bed

    My tuppence worth

    When using my laptop (1366 x 768) or desktop (1080), I don't spend much time looking at the menu other than to right click items and open in another tab - otherwise I read the 'm' version.

    Too much white space on the front page, it could be more compact.

    What is it with the images at the top of articles? Why are they so big?

    Some of the images are not even relevant - Windows Server 2003 article has a pig.

    Why are they there at all if not relevant?

    The Christmas banner at the top has a white gap above it. Why?

    Otherwise, well, it is the content that matters mostly, so keep keep working.

  55. Shades

    User CSS

    I've created a user CSS which restores some sanity to El Reg, there's well over 25 tweaks! Its currently aimed at FireFox but should be easily adaptable to other browsers that support user CSS overrides. You can find the code, a list of the main 25 changes and some screenshots over on the Reg Redesign forum thread (its currently on page 21(!)... For the moment!)

    You can thank me later... Although I'm Almost certain the folks at El Reg won't! Lol

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: User CSS

      Yes, alright then Shades, thanks. Or a limited thanks anyway. The Adblock filters and previous userContent.css did much the same. In the longer term I would prefer the style sheet fix; except that when I disable it all New Years Day, if I find that massive image still there, I'll take that as a statement of the site owner's true regard for the readership and remove my Reg bookmarks, cookie and NoScript permissions and move on.

  56. WaveSynthBeep

    Menu bar layout popping

    The menu bar is a mess for me. It takes more than one line, which means it spills over onto a second line, which is overlayed onto whatever the text is:

    http://tinypic.com/r/igvp74/8

    On comment threads, the whole content column moves to the right to avoid it:

    http://i60.tinypic.com/5lq4y9.png

    until I scroll down, when all the content pops to the left:

    http://i61.tinypic.com/jpua8l.png

    It's very annoying to have the content jumping about as I scroll up and down.

    I've enlarged some of my browser fonts to make them more readable (it's a 15" retina Macbook at 2048x1280 so native is a bit small, I've set it to smallest being 17pt), but I thought CSS was supposed to deal with getting the layout right?

  57. src

    Stylish

    I found a style for the "Stylish" web browser plugin that makes the redesigned site more bearable. Sad that it is necessary though,,,

  58. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Can you...

    extend the grey background to the whole of the page please?

  59. G P Otto

    some of us have high resolution screens and good eyesight ...

    The laptop I normally use has a 3200 x 1800 screen. And this new layout only uses a narrow strip down the middle - less than half the screen. PLEASE design the layouts so that they make good use of whatever screen resolutions (and font sizes) people want to use.

    The new layout is - for me - much worse that than the previous one. Much less info per screen.

  60. Gamorra

    Too much white to too much grey and white. An improvement?

    The simplest thing here is to make the text proportional instead of absolute. It was silly before, it's silly now. We have bigger screens, let us make use of them.

    On a different tack, why not have the facility of duckduckgo and allow for changes in background and foreground, Even if you did take the sensible route of proportional columns, it would still be welcome.

    But big pictures taking up most of the first page of a story are still annoying, as is the large text.

  61. e^iπ+1=0

    Mobile site

    I use the mobile site around 99% of the time (by choice even on a desktop platform), and must say I haven't noticed much difference; the El Chan links are broken still after being briefly fixed when I posted about this some months ago.

    Please don't revamp the mobile site.

  62. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Could you revert the site to exactly what it was like immediately after the update so I can continue to write snarky comments against the old article.

  63. Bob Vistakin
    IT Angle

    Curious - why no Linked In share icon?

    I'm sure you've discussed this internally and the outcome is "no", but since I'm involved in making the same decision for various sites I'd be really interested in your reasoning.

    1. Drewc Gold badge

      Re: Curious - why no Linked In share icon?

      Linkedin button generated next to no traffic for us. As such it did not earn its place here.

  64. Neoc

    Thank you Thank you Thank you

    "Visited and hover states swapped for better readability"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Thank you Thank you Thank you

      "Visited and hover states swapped for better readability"

      Sorry for being thick but what are 'Hover states'?

      I realise visited links appear in red but they still do and I thought that was a feature of the users browser.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Thank you Thank you Thank you

        "I realise visited links appear in red but they still do and I thought that was a feature of the users browser."

        The HTML/browser default is blue for unvisited links, purple for visited links IIRC (it's years since I saw a "naked" web page) and underlined for when the mouse hovers over the links.

        On the Reg initial re-design the links were black for unvisited, dark grey for visited and red for mouse hovering over a link. Swapping the red mouse hover and the dark grey visited colours is the single biggest improvement over that original re-design.

  65. ATeal

    There's a new page to bitch?!

    THE FRONTPAGE IMAGE IS TOO BIG.

    You've been told this literally hundreds of times, the commentards UNITED to tell you this.

  66. Grade%

    Ahhhkay.

    I now 'get' what it was about the old design that drew me in and made me want to waste my time here: It felt like opening a crude tabloid! BUT! A crude tabloid with vast treasures of knowledgeable people, real knowledge, all flung about with devil may care snarkifaction that belied the impression. The wall of cleverisms, headlines, could be appreciated in a scanning glance and made one want to go, "Oooh, that one and that one and that one too."

    Then the league of commentards would have at it and supplement the main articles oh so wantonly that a semi smile never left my face as I read.

    Now? The site is like a myriad of others and doesn't feel like it bites anything at all anymore.

    It really was better before. You revelled in your difference and it was merely difference for difference's sake. No, it was different because it was smarter. The front page had IMPACT. It grated a bit but that what the fuck do want if your mascot is a bloody vulture?

    Gee whiz, guys. :(

  67. MrXavia

    Some good changes, but the main article picture still too big, means I can't see any other articles on the same page...

    I use a macbook air for viewing the site and have to scroll to see more than the top article...

  68. Candy

    Favicon

    This update is much better. Especially the re(a)d links.

    On browsers where I have a dark theme, the favicon is pretty much invisible. Perhaps a circle around the vulture and the edges transparent?

  69. msknight

    A few bits

    Congratulations on many of the adjustments, and thanks for taking the time to listen to people and being flexible.

    The only two things I'd ask for is a reduction of the top graphic; it is causing me too much scroll. My personal option would be to reduce it to a quarter of its size and have the text to the right, instead of underneath it.

    Also, the name of the author, even if it is in the same small blue font as the "segment" in the article header please.

    Thumbs up for taking feedback on board and listening to people.

  70. Shadow Systems Silver badge

    @KeithPeter re Top Links.

    As far as Jaws is concerned, there are No Such Accessibility Links. The words "Print", "Accessibility", and "Content" do not appear on this page, or if they do they are not links.

    Thus I am forced to manually add "Print.Html" to the end of every URL, because it doesn't appear that the site's designers Give A Fuck about their blatant disreguard for the DDA.

    As for the Braille printers, I am aware of them & have seen them used (back when I could still see), but due to other health issues (Insulin Dependant Diabetic) I don't have the tactile sensitivity needed to read Braille. (Multiple daily finger pokes for blood sugar tests plays merry hell with one's ability to feel the tiny bumps.)

    But yes, if I could read Braille, I'd have a BrailleWriter printer & be able to read my own print outs. =-)

    1. keithpeter

      Re: @KeithPeter re Top Links.

      @Shadow Systems

      Thanks for posting useful information about JAWS not recognising the 'skip to content' link at the top of the <body> section on each page of The Register.

      Happy Christmas & good luck for the new year.

  71. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    History Today

    See that image at the top of the home page; and it's an image that is too big; and everyone comments to that effect; and they suspect that because it's a most glaring image that management will refuse to back-track as a matter of principle; and people say with this one point the site has descended into farce?

  72. BrowserUk

    Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou!

    Thankyou for forcing your latest set of mind-bogglingly stupid changes down our throats.

    Without them I would never have been motivated to set up my own user.css for this place, that has transformed it from:

    an amateurish "I just discovered clip-art and big fonts" 1990s, My First Web Page; repetitious, glaring, jarring, repetitious, look-we're hip and down with the kids, repetitious, nauseatingly dumbed-down tabloid, cluttered mess;

    into a simple, clear, one-page reverse chronological, see what's new and what I've already seen, unencumbered by: your puerile attempts to ram stuff I've already ignored down my throat; or vacuously unrelated and over-sized pictures that tell me nothing extra and just consume screen and mind-space.

    Thankyou for forcing me to sit up straight and do something about it.

    /* Copyright 2014 Situation Publishing Ltd. http://www.theregister.co.uk/ */

    .static { display:none; }

    .large_story { display:none; }

    .story_list { display:none; }

    .dont_miss { display:none; }

    .dont_miss_row { display:none; }

    .story_grid_img { display:none; }

    .article_img { display:none; }

    .forums {width:90%; }

    .adu { display:none; }

    .wptl { display:none; }

    #tips_or_corrections { display:none; }

    #article_body_btm { display:none; }

    #right-col { display: none; }

    #boot { display:none; }

    #read_more_on { display:none; }

    #whitepapers { display:none }

    #body .CaptionedImage.Center { float:none; }

    #body .CaptionedImage.Float.Right{float:none;margin:0 0 1em 1em}

    #top_tease { display:none; }

    #hot { display:none; }

    #right_col { display:none; }

    #spotlight { display:none; }

    #sponlinks { display:none; }

    #crumb_trail { display:none; }

    #RegCCO { display:none; }

    #social_btns { display:none; }

    #follow_btns_top { display:none; }

    #footer { display:none }

    #story_rhs_more { display:none; }

    #topbar { display:none; }

    a:visited { color: green; font-size: 85% }

    Perfect!

  73. dan1980

    Better but why?

    This new version is better than the first version but still not as good as it was before the redesign. Can we have a clear explanation of why we can't just go back? What was the reason for the change - was there feedback that said that it should change? If not, who insisted it must and why?

    Basically, every comment has been to change things back to the way they were but instead of rolling back, you have instead altered only parts to more closely resemble the look and behaviour of the old site. Why not just ditch the new version altogether?

    This is something I will never understand - the apparent need to keep changing things just for the sake of it. I always hear words like "clean" and "fresh" and "streamlined" but the big problem is that nearly EVERY redesign using those catch-words as descriptors ends up with a far lower information density.

    Designers call it "uncluttered" but what they really mean is "less information". That's because "clutter" is not about the amount of stuff but how it is arranged. Such people inherently think that having less on the page is better but this is a news site, not an advertisement. Having lots of white space can make for a very neat and elegant wedding invitation or a clear and powerful advertisement but when you want to be able to flit from story to story on a website and see what's going on, white space is wasted space.

    What you need to remember in the future is that a website design is supposed to match the audience and the purpose of the site so you can't just take words like "clean" as universally desirable. This is a tech news site - give us a layout rich in information over one that is "fresh" any day.

    On a specific note, I might be the only one but I liked the left nav bar, if for no other reason than it was easier for my eyes to follow the text in an article that way (i.e. indented by a few inches).

  74. Tikimon Silver badge
    Unhappy

    LOSE THE EFFING BILLBOARD PICTURES ALREADY

    This is a TECH NEWS site. We are not bleating sheeple flocking to singing dancing websites with BIIIIG PICTURES for the reading-challenged.

    Fire your marketing types or whomever decided that:

    A. A perfectly good website needed to be mucked about with because change is good even if it SUCKS.

    B. Created and approved the changes made. They are horrible, and please only fluffy marketing types who try to justify their jobs by changing that which does not need it. How many weeks of reader spleen do you need to face the bleeding obvious?

    Oh, and SINGLE PAGE OPTION!!!

  75. Joseph Eoff
    Thumb Down

    Damn

    18 days and you STILL have the over sized, useless fucking images on the front page and in the articles. Even worse, the images are still only sometimes part of the story.

    Seriously, you've got a stock Earth image at the top of this article, when the article itself is about the pictures Alexander Gerst took from space. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/28/earth_timelapse_video_blue_dot/

    Seriously? All you could come up with for that article was a stock photo? Couldn't even take a few minutes to take a still out of the video? Just "Oh, space, slap a stock photo on it, no one cares anyway?"

    I see you also still have the retarded banner ad above the register header on the front page.

    Well, I'm sorry. So long as your page is so damned ugly, retarded, and useless, I will continue using ad-block to reformat the site into something close to useful. That means you get no ad revenue, but hey, you had to have your redesign. You'll just have to live with the side effects.

  76. Joseph Eoff
    Thumb Down

    Sad

    And the comments page still fucks up the address so that a refresh doesn't work right.

  77. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Linux vs. Windows

    No, not trying to provoke a 'boi-fight.

    Yesterday I clean installed the Mint KDE release candidate. Downloaded Pale Moon 64, installed my add-ons, themes, bookmarks, search engines, set it up the way I like it e.g., BrowserTabsCloseButton = 0 etc. Then went to El Rog (not El Reg any more but we are getting a rogering). Lawks a lordy the top image was a reasonable size! The full text of the top three article teasers was visible!

    So, booted Windows. Removed the Chrome folder. Opened Adblock's filter preferences and disabled the custom filters. Clicked the register home page bookmark and Lo! the top image took 90%+ of the screen. No change. Fine in Linux, crap in Windows.

    Designed by a 'boi, was it?

  78. Shadow Systems Silver badge

    ,And now you've fucked the Print view.

    It went from being a clean, easily parsed by my Screen Reader Environment, to being filled with all the bloat that turns it into an unreadable cluster fuck.

    Instead of the Title, a blank line, the original URL, and then the content, now I've got all the bullshit like a Search function & Social Media crap to wade through first, and you break the article with the "related content" that belongs AFTER the fucking article, not in the bloody MIDDLE of it.

    Fuck you & the Design Team.

    I hope your readership numbers flush themselves down the toilet & the ad revenue implodes as further proof of the absolute, mind boggling, infinitely fucked in the head with a double decker BUS, Epic Fuck Up that you've turned the site into.

    I hope a EU Blind Citizen invokes the DDA to sue the fucking pants off you arseholes, bends you over a table, & JACK KNIFES that bus up your ass.

    It might be a tight fit, what with your HEADS already being wedged up in there so firmly.

    *Infinitely Rude Gesture*

  79. Joseph Eoff
    FAIL

    Still a total clusterfuck

    Q: Why haven't the commentards been bitching about the content and appearance of the articles?

    A: Because there's so many errors on the title page that no one actually looks at th articles.

    The links for the "Don't Miss" blocks on the title page still don't change colors to show I've visited them.

    Guys,

    Just give up already and revert back to the design that worked.

  80. Barry Rueger

    oooh! Mobile!

    Late in the game I've discovered the glory of the Reg mobile site - WOW!

    Lots of text, little pictures NO ADVERTISING OF ANY SORT, and fast to scan and read headlines.

    Essentially, all of the things that are annoying about the new Reg disappear as if by magic.

    And all of the things that were annoying about the old site for that matter.

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