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Microsoft says Windows Insider program members shouldn't be upset that no more Windows 10 Preview builds are coming this year, because the build that's expected to arrive in late January will be awesome – literally. According to a blog post by Microsoft engineering manager Gabe Aul, Redmond devs are so excited about that …

  1. WylieCoyoteUK
    Devil

    It will have a START MENU!

    And lots of flashy stuff that nobody will ever use, but MS want to convince us we that we need.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It will have a START MENU!

      Windows has had a start menu since 95. I think you mean it'll have a non full screen start menu so that even people with an IQ of 4 can tell it's a menu

      1. boltar Silver badge

        Re: It will have a START MENU!

        >Windows has had a start menu since 95. I think you mean it'll have a non full screen start menu so that

        >even people with an IQ of 4 can tell it's a menu

        Those people with an IQ of 4 is who Windows 8 was designed for - big fisher price tiles that even a baby with clumsy thumbs could push. It certainly wasn't designed for professionals or even competant amateurs.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It will have a START MENU!

          "Those people with an IQ of 4 is who Windows 8 was designed for - big fisher price tiles that even a baby with clumsy thumbs could push."

          So if your IQ is higher than theirs how come you can't tell it's a start menu just because it's full screen?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: It will have a START MENU!

            Because it was not a list, which means that it could not have been a menu; look up the definition of menu.

            1. Lusty Silver badge

              Re: It will have a START MENU!

              Mine is a list, just that that list is displayed full screen with multiple columns. The old menu displayed columns too if you had too much crap in there. The old menu also used to generate a separate search window when you did a search, while the new one integrates search results from all available sources including the programs menu, but by any definition it's most definitely a menu.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yah yah yah, but is it going to be free, free with strings, very cheap or the usual MS expensive ?

  3. Khaptain Silver badge

    High school adjectives for business solutions

    Do people honestly use AWESOME, in upper case I might add, as an adjective for an OS ?

    I would honestly prefer something like, "Enterprise class", or "Business strengthened", "Proven stablility", yes, they are boring but they actually mean something.

    AWESOME is a very vague word that has about as much appeal as a blunt kitchen knife in an operating theatre. It's a word associated with beach bums and surfers named Brice....

    Bring back the IT adjectives, they're boring but appropriate.

    1. CmdrX3

      Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

      Awesome comment... dude

    2. Lodmot347

      Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

      I have to disagree.

      I love that they're using informal terms to describe their operating systems. This is not the same corporate design team that designed Windows 8, just for the sole purpose of making money. This is a brand new team filled with young, talented and passionate designers that actually are enthusiastic about making a really great operating system. I'm very excited about Windows 10, and if things keep going the way they are, I believe the final version will not only be WAY PAST awesome, but it will be much more affordable unlike previous releases. I'd say 50 bucks or less is a reasonable price for Windows 10.

      1. revdjenk
        Stop

        Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

        " I'd say 50 bucks or less is a reasonable price for Windows 10."

        And some scuttlebutt is that win10 will begin a new subscription payment plan...

        So is that more like $50 a year?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          @revdjenk - Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

          Small correction : "So is that more than $50 a year ?"

        2. big_D Silver badge

          Re: High school adjectives for business solutions @revdjenk

          Possibly part of Office 365 for Business?

          Rumours vary, but seem to indicate that Windows 10 Core will be free, but you'll have to pay a subscription for additional features - think XBox video / music, Office 365 etc. on top and businesses will probably still have to licence Pro / Enterprise features, like domain membership, Bitlocker etc.

        3. Fluffy Bunny
          Paris Hilton

          Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

          "So is that more like $50 a year?"

          More like $50 a month.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @Lodmot347 - Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

        Do you know something we don't ? Besides that your language is a little heavy on the marketing/pr side so I gave you a down vote.

      3. Richard Plinston Silver badge

        Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

        > will not only be WAY PAST awesome

        Way past having some awe is being full awe.

        > This is not the same corporate design team that designed Windows 8, just for the sole purpose of making money.

        Windows 8 was designed to overcome the perception of Windows Phone. Consultants reported that WP was not selling because the UI was unfamiliar. Windows 8 was intended to make that UI the most familiar UI on the planet. Then users would _demand_ all their devices have that UI. So much for consultants.

        > I'd say 50 bucks or less is a reasonable price for Windows 10.

        Before Surface was released the usual clowns were predicting great _cheap_ tablets from Microsoft. The first gen devices only became cheap when MS wrote off nearly a billion dollars and put them in the bargain bin.

        So much for the usual clowns' predictions.

        1. big_D Silver badge
          Pint

          Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

          "> will not only be WAY PAST awesome

          Way past having some awe is being full awe."

          Ooh, I see what you did there!

          As it is Friday, have a beer.

          As to cheap, Windows 8 is currently free on sub 10" tablets and free in the Windows 8 with Bing version.

          1. Geoff Campbell
            Boffin

            Re: As it is Friday

            Man, are you in for a disappointment...

            GJC

          2. big_D Silver badge
            Facepalm

            Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

            "As it is Friday, have a beer."

            Bleh! Wishing my week away!

            1. Geoff Campbell
              Pint

              Re: Wishing my week away!

              Can we have a beer anyway?

              GJC

        2. Solly

          Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

          "full of awe" you say? there is an auto-antonym which matches that: awful...

      4. hplasm Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

        $50 for another version of the Horse-Drawn Aeroplane?

        Don't make me laugh...

      5. Stuart 22

        Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

        "I'm very excited about Windows 10"

        Excited? Do you mean when an OS can stay up for a year or more without breaking or degrading? Where you can choose and configure the interface that suits your way of working best and there are no surprises. It just does it job quietly and efficiently?

        I get excited when I see a trapeze artist wobbling in the wind at 200 feet without a safety net. But I'm not sure I want an operating system to give me that sort of thrill.

    3. veti Silver badge

      Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

      Where I come from, tags in a code repository are generally in ALL CAPS. It's just a throwback to the days when EVERYTHING was. Not sure why it's still so widely observed in this particular environment, but my best guess would be "no-one can be bothered to change it".

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

      It sounds exactly like something our marketing department would come up with.

      Expect the next build to be called amazeballs.

    5. Geoffrey W Silver badge

      Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

      RE: "Do people honestly use AWESOME..."

      Sure they do. Open source was there first...

      https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Awesome

      And then there was the Awesome Bar in firefox. There are probably lots more examples

    6. adnim Silver badge

      Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

      It is the consumer market they wish to impress. Business is more often than not already locked in to a MS software infrastructure.

      The word awesome, just like the words special, original, brilliant, great, unique and various other "shiny" words are what the average non critical media groomed consumer identify with.

      1. Khaptain Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

        > Horse-Drawn Aeroplane

        That's definately a 2 or 3 beer analogy. Cheers

    7. boltar Silver badge

      Re: High school adjectives for business solutions

      "Do people honestly use AWESOME,"

      Americans do far to often, but then they love hyperbole. I've no idea what word they'd use when something really was "awesome" in the actual sense of the word rather than just "quite good" or "I've drunk too many expressos and I'm talking rubbish" which is what it seems to mean over the other side of the pond. They'd probably just be standing doing a goldfish impression unable to think of a word that could trump it.

      Actually thinking about it they'd probably just say "super awesome" or "awesome awesome" or some other juvenile sounding phrase.

  4. Len Goddard

    Ironic

    that the Windows Insider Programme, required to download an official preview build, is returning "service unavailable".

    1. mrfill

      Re: Ironic

      This is being fixed and we expect the revised message "service currently unawesome" to appear shortly.

  5. Inventor of the Marmite Laser Silver badge

    I'd just be happy with not user hostile

    And the ability to turn off stupid animations

    No dumb kindergarten crayon level "friendly" graphics

    And NO FUCKING METRO TILES

    I could live without changing the default Explorer directory - I assume .lnk is still possible

    1. big_D Silver badge

      Re: I'd just be happy with not user hostile

      Having used Windows 8 since release, I wouldn't want to go back to a tile-less world now. On the move, with my tablet, they are great. On the desktop I rarely see them - just like the Start Menu in Windows 7, it is only accessed when I use an application that isn't pinned to my task bar - which covers about 99% of my daily routine.

  6. Afernie

    Well...

    After a couple of days playing around with it (the Start Menu is a considerable improvement) I think 'adequate' or 'acceptable' would be AWESOME descriptions!

  7. Paul Herber

    Requirements:

    Requirements:

    1. Secure: yes

    2. Stable: yes

    3. Bug free: yes

    4. Awesome: no

    I'd pay for 1, 2 and 3. Not for 4 though.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Re: Requirements:

      "Sorry sir, we have run out of items 1, 2 and 3, which are no longer available from our excellent cuisine for today. May I interest you in a little 4 for a change?"

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    2. Anonymous Coward
      Linux

      Re: Requirements:

      Well, I get all 4 for free.

      1. DanDanDan

        Re: Requirements:

        Bug free? Seriously?

    3. boltar Silver badge

      Re: Requirements:

      "I'd pay for 1, 2 and 3. Not for 4 though."

      Is that what you tell the escort agency on the phone?

  8. dan1980

    I will tell you what I expect from Windows 10: nothing.

    I am not saying I expect it to be bad - I am saying I have no expectations. That way lies disappointment (and swearing).

    That aside, while I am happy that the Microsoft devs are passionate and think that what they are building is great, excellent, amazing, and, yes, awesome, I think that having really enthusiastic devs and designers is not necessarily the best things for software.

    Why? Because the more the devs enjoy their dog food, the less likely they are to accept that other users might prefer the chicken and liver and others still might prefer the beef stew.

  9. Chairo
    Meh

    revolutionary - forward looking - modern

    And what we got was Windows 8.

    Hearing Microsoft talking about Awesome gives me the creeps... Windows 98's awesome "active desktop" comes to mind.

    1. Tac Eht Xilef

      Re: revolutionary - forward looking - modern

      Funny thing, though - the old Active Desktop was actually a reasonably good idea that had useful potential. Arguably the most innovative thing MS had ever done, in terms of UI & general-purpose utility of the desktop.

      Implementation sucked, though, and coming right at the time that IE holes were being revealed at the rate of about one a second it was a security nightmare...

      1. dan1980

        Re: revolutionary - forward looking - modern

        Yes, it could have been good but of course the most notable feature was the one where it changed your desktop into an black screen with an ugly warning.

        The BEST thing about Active Desktop, however, was that you could turn it off completely. In fact, it started disabled. It was a feature that you could use if you wanted it and it made your life easier or you just liked it but if you didn't want it, nothing at all changed.

  10. tempemeaty

    Fenestrae X

    Only thing I would find awesome is if Windows 10 ran as well as other operating systems I've used.

    1. Khaptain Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Fenestrae X

      "Only thing I would find awesome is if Windows 10 ran as well as other operating systems I've used."

      If it doesn't you could always change the name to Defenestration X.

  11. Gray
    Windows

    There comes a time ...

    when one stops listening to their words, and starts looking for the results. Time will tell how "AWESOME" truly relates.

  12. David Lawton

    Too late Microsoft, your Windows 8 was the final straw with your crud, so i decided to get my first ever Mac 3 years ago and i don't want to go back to your hell hole called Windows.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Crew Slut

      I hear that Apple will be introducing rounded corner tiles into their next OS. As Frank Zappa said ( hence the title), "You'll love it".

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sort of serious question

    Of these 1.5 million (450K active) users how many have tried their real web log ons to any depth?

    With the whole keyloging thing I assume any tech worth his salt is not going to access anything important or that will have the same credentials after the OS is shut down, so has there been a massive increase in fake facebook, gmail and other accounts? I realise anyone with half an idea will say they can keylog anyway but who will admit to having shared their gmail,twitter,flickr etc. passwords with MS?

  14. Pen-y-gors Silver badge

    animation?

    "there will be an animated transition when the much-anticipated new Start Menu opens."

    FFS why?

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Windows 10

    Will this be better than OSX? Will this be better than (for instance) Cinnamon or Mint? No. It won't.

    How far behind the competition will Windows 10 be? Very far. Very far indeed.

    Will file copying and anything network-related be still laughably slow? Yes.

    Will Linux performance on equivalent hardware still blow Windows out of the water? Yes.

    Will Windows developers still be baffled by a plethora of incompatible and badly documented tools and technologies from Microsoft that randomly drift in and out of fashion and support for no good reason? Yes.

    Will Windows 10 still be a Virus and Worm fest? Yes.

    Will Windows 10 really be any better than Windows 7? No.

    That's pretty much it. Anything else is verbiage.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Windows 10

      Out of interest, which of these factual answers are you downvoters having problems with?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Windows 10

        Out of interest, which of these factual answers are you downvoters having problems with?

        It's anti-microsoft.

    2. DanDanDan

      Re: Windows 10

      "Will Windows 10 really be any better than Windows 7? No."

      This is the main point. Windows 7 is the best operating system MS have *ever* produced. It's stable, comes with features I actually use, doesn't get in the way with features I don't use and doesn't hog memory and resources to an absurd level. It's copied a lot of features I use on Linux (windows snapping to the edge of screen, windows updates that don't get in the way *too* much, powershell is actually surprisingly good, start menu search works well). I really really don't see how Windows X can be any better at all.

      The *only* reason that people will move from Windows 7 is that MS will stop supporting it (typical MS EoL bulls**t). That's it. I guarantee that whenever W7 stops being supported, the upgrade process will be more reluctant than that seen on XP. I only hope that the businesses that are being forced to W7 from XP (they sure as heck aren't going to W8!) have enough foresight to realise that MS are forcing a costly exercise on them every 5 years or so, whereas an equivalent shift to Linux would be a one-off costly exercise.

      1. boltar Silver badge

        Re: Windows 10

        " whereas an equivalent shift to Linux would be a one-off costly exercise."

        With the LInux ABI (and in that I include the gnome & KDE libraries) seemingly in constant flux I wouldn't want to lay a large amount of money on that.

  16. Al_21
    Facepalm

    And thats where wasted time over-thinking bollocks comes in

    Thinking too much about what to call a branch name is wasted resources.

    Just do it and move on.

    Forget the 100+ hours thinking of ideas, discussing, voting for a shortlist, showing senior staff, discussing, voting, senior member changes his/her mind and starting the idea bashing again.

    No idea how long MS takes and took with this one, but let's not make too much of a big deal over nothing eh?

  17. Lostintranslation

    I am SO glad it's going to be AWESOME, I was really worried it might be UTTERLY_CRAP_AGAIN.

  18. earl grey Silver badge
    Unhappy

    but will they stop dicking with my files?

    I know, I'm asking for a lot; but it IS my machine.

  19. Hans 1 Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    PSOD

    Does it come with a Pink Screen Of Death ?

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Memory lane

    I used to look forward to new Windows releases, then I started dreading it - now I just laugh.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Windows10/xbox360 Telemetry, "we are the largest private intelligence company on the planet, karma" We love to spy on kids and make money doing it.

  22. Qu Dawei

    windows 8

    ... makes me wish that blasted Paperclip was reintroduced. God alone knows what Windows 10 will do: Make me hanker after DOS4.01?

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