...will be perfect in the upcoming Jedi Vampire Hunters spin off show.
Star Wars' fans have been treated to their first glimpse of episode seven of the movie franchise, after a trailer for The Force Awakens, directed by J.J. Abrams, was released on Friday. Youtube Video Opinions about the film's teaser have been mixed, with the latest lightsaber design being poorly received by some netizens. …
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"We're sending you to Hoth." "The cold never bothered me anyway."
"Do you wanna be a Sith Lord? Come on lets go and train. The Light Side it can be a bore, but the Sith is more, powerful everydaaaay"
FFS, this is a teaser for a movie that's still in production and won't be released for another year!!! I've read so much anti-this and anti-that about this title already and it's not even finished. FFS please stop this BS speculation. When the flick is finally released then everyone can express their opinions. Until then, naysayers please SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Thailand is a stressful country when you WORK there, believe me.
Especially when you try to do a proper job in the IT industry and you hit the walls of "cultural differences" constantly.
Been there, got the stress, the exhausting climate, the killer pollution, the unescapable noise, the lack of any social security net (e.g. you can end up on the streets easily if you get sick) etc.
Of course, this doesn't applies to retirees or people wealthy enough to be there in a permanent vacation on the beach. It's still a wonderful country with a wonderful people, but without stress? nope.
Sorry for the off-topic rant. Just wanted to fight the usual cliché.
"Sorry for the off-topic rant. Just wanted to fight the usual cliché."
It was a tongue in cheek comment, I'm sure there is stress everywhere you go on this planet, Thailand being no exception. I have been there so I'm not completely ignorant, but I take your point :)
However, my point was that if you were feeling a bit stressed you could always find a little 'relief' for not very much outlay.
"FFS, this is a teaser for a movie that's still in production and won't be released for another year!!! I've read so much anti-this and anti-that about this title already and it's not even finished. FFS please stop this BS speculation. When the flick is finally released then everyone can express their opinions. Until then, naysayers please SHUT THE FUCK UP!"
Ah. I see your point.
What you are saying is they have run out of ideas so they are floating rubbish in the hope of crowd sourcing criticism in order to make things better.
Presumably this works if everyone chooses to STFU and let them get on with it.
Star Wars is big property. It was bought by Disney because they believed there was a big enough market to make money off.
They are right on this count because Star Wars has a huge and very devoted following. Star Wars fans read the books and play the games and debate with each other over what is and is not (and should and should not be) canon. They argue about the relative power levels of characters and make up their own stories where authentic information doesn't exist.
They care about it.
So yes, when they see something they don't like, they will point it out and complain. By your own argument, this is not a finished product. There are bits that will change and bits that will get left out entirely and other bits added. Surely THIS is the right time to make feelings known - while they can be heard and, if the director so chooses, taken on board.
On the specific note, the crossguard is naff. It just is. Through the movies and cartoons and games and comics there have been depictions of many forms beyond the standard lightsaber - from staffs to daggers to spears to whips. All these have the 'light' part substituting for the part you hit people with, which makes sense. A guard is an odd choice here.
Whatever the case may be, people think it's naff and they are making their opinions known while there is time for those opinions to actually make a difference.
On the specific note, the crossguard is naff. ... have the 'light' part substituting for the part you hit people with, which makes sense. A guard is an odd choice here.
Not really. AIUI, the point of a crossguard is to protect the wielder from the opposition's blade "sliding" down their own, and lopping their hand or arm off. Since pretty much the only thing which can stop a lightsaber is another lightsaber, then you couldn't really make a functional crossguard out of anything else.
That said, the plain crossguard seen in the clip I would more expect from a Jedi, since its role is going to be mostly defensive. I would expect a Sith to have a more upturned guard, which would be more suited to an aggressive role of trapping the opponent's lightsaber, and wrenching it from their grip - disarming the opponent for an easier kill.
But yes, it does feel a bit naff.
Honestly who cares about the cross guard - from a practical perspective, it makes sense - otherwise what else would stop an opponents lightsabre simply sliding down your light sabre to your wrist.
More importantly, it seems that the new films have returned to the look of the originals (ep.IV/V/VI) and abandoned the overly clinical CGI look of the more recent Lucas movies (ep.I/II/III). Looks very promising.
The cross guard, as shown, is indeed pointless. The emitters for the cross blades are exposed and thus vulnerable to a light blade. They'd just be chopped through. Given that the light sabre is based on the katana, a cross guard seems superfluous, as the fighting style evolved to consider the exposed nature of the hands in the fighting. As an inexperienced Luke could tell you.
More to the point the fighting style evolved in conjunction with armoured gauntlets and sleeves (Tetsu -gai, Kote) .
An example of late sengoku period battle armour (Tosei Gosoku) allegedly worn by Ieyasu Tokugawa is here :
Note the hybrid plate/mail arm and hand protection.
Lightsabres are modelled on Japanese swords, which also lack crossguards, but the samurai never had much problem with opponents sliding their blade down because when blades clash they become entangled by friction. If you know what you're doing, you can even prevent an opponent withdrawing their blade after a parry.
Well, if you believe (in the movie reality) that Jedis/Siths/whatever can deflect shots from laser weapons with their lightsabres, even if they don't see the shooter, then it doesn't require too much additional imagination to accept that they are sufficiently capable of not cutting themselves and their clothes with the weapon. Might be even interesting to watch.
Is the glimpsed species good at sucking knob? Perhaps it evolved from the fleshlight.
As an aside I have to agree the new light sabre appears to be a bit of rubbish. Not being up to steam on Samurai stuff but it does seem waving it about will end up with severed wrists and trying to chop someone's head off will lose you your legs, at the torso if your opponent is short.
Perhaps it comes with sensors that switch off the useless bits when they are about to chop you up. Perhaps all will become clear in the fight choreography.
In respect of the robot.. Segway.
>Is the glimpsed species good at sucking knob? Perhaps it evolved from the fleshlight.
I take it, then, that you haven't seen the "Special Edition" (read: wanked all over with CGI) versions of the originals then?
I would not in good conscience advise you to remedy that, but yeah, she's not new. I think she was the centerpiece of Jabba's floor show, duetting with some kind of half-Ewok, half-Brian Blessed dude. Or was the whole thing a fever dream...?
As for where her skills lie (apart from singing, of course), you're probably wise to keep it "upstairs" as her camel toe looked about a foot wide.
To be fair, medieval folks (and those of us that re-enact it) have used swords with crossguards for years, but don't hit ourselves with them. If you hit yourself with the handle of your own sword (tantamount to punching yourself in the face), you deserve everything you get!
It was my initial reaction as well, but I've been thinking it through, and it would actually be pretty hard to chop your own hand off with the guard of your sword. The angle you'd need to get your wrist to would be an incredibly weak position, and nobody would consciously (or even accidentally) do it.
Perhaps those more experienced in fighting with broadswords could correct me, but as someone that has practiced martial arts, and does know the basic shape of such techniques, I just can't see how you'd do it (or for that matter, why if it were the case, broadswords had any kind of guard in the first place).
At best the sabre would have to be vertical to do any real damage to the user. Look at the size of the guards on some historical broadswords, whilst not sharp, you wouldn't want to be hitting yourself mid swing as it would destroy your chances of hitting the opponent with any degree of force, alonside that it would probably hurt.
I play with sabers, including against martial arts clubs.
You could potentially take yourself out while spinning a saber as they do in star wars episode 1-3. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuRYp3l1UhQ)
The reason this wouldn't have been a problem with a broadsword is that it wouldn't have been a cutting edge, and nobody would ever attempt to spin a broadsword like that in the first place. The reason every sword (other than a lightsaber) has a guard is because getting hit on the fingers is exceedingly painful even when only with a blunt bit of wood/polycarbonate. The consequences of being hit with a sharp bit of metal is likely to lead to the loss of important bits of your anatomy.
Err, try disarming an opponent with a short (or long for that matter) sword with the standard twisting + "take the blade" (easiest starting from 6th). If the sword would have had a "magic cut through everything" guard that would have been "your wrist just went missing" moment. Granted, the technique is useful only against a much weaker opponent, but... none the less...
Anybody who thinks a guard on a hilt is a stupid idea clearly hasn't taken a high speed impact on their fingers when duelling with a saber.
And yes, you can buy sabers meant for duelling these days. Google "The Custom Saber Shop" if you have reasonable wiring skills and want to make your own, or Google "Ultrasabers" if you haven't and therefore need something working out of the box.
Yes, Guards on swords are useful.
The silly thing is that the guard on that sword is strong on the edges, and fundamentally vulnerable on the bit you refer to (getting your fingers rapped). This part is of course mechanical and as we saw in the Phantom Menace with Darth Maul, it can be chopped (conveniently) in two, so this one I assume breaks up into three. So a useless guard against the thing it's guarding against.
Apparently, sometime in the past, the BA got equipped with shit rifles.
Presumably they have similar issues in fantasy land and this time 'The Dark Side' engineered 'The Light Sabre of Imposed Choice'.
I think you'll find that most of the serious gripes are with the consistency within the fantasy. Or the aesthetics of this new facet of that fantasy.
i.e. a) a guard that can be sliced through with ease isn't a guard at all (the base of the guards are mechanical/metal). That's a practical objection not with reference to external practicalities but based on the established "physics" *within* the fantasy.
or b) it looks stupid (an objective opinion which by definition is neither valid nor invalid)
yeah, but consistency is a weird thing. Lots of fans have been expressing their disappointment that Episode VII doesn't follow the "canon" laid down in the extended universe books.
One of the main characters in those novels is called "Lumiya" and she, I believe, uses a "Force Whip". Yep, that's a whip version of the lightsabre. Now, if you want silly I would say there it is.
Further, there is precedent in the movies for customised lightsabres. Dookus' custom hilt is the obvious one, shaped into a traditional cavalry sabre grip for fencing, but Yoda's is little more than dagger sized to just about everyone else.
Still further, if you extend the canon into the supporting games you will see lots of references to various combat styles employed by force wielders, often depending on the type of hilt/sabre in use and the physical abilities of the Jedi/Sith in question. Compare and contrast Yoda, Obi Wan and Vader for example.
So yeah, don't knock the crossguard too much, it might just be a sign that the wielder has an alternative style which could be quite fun to watch.
Anyway. Falcon. 'nuff said.
I'm going now....
Solely judging from the trailer I do think that it gives away the impression that some people have a hard time coming up with new ideas, which would be my only gripe with all this.
I mean; when looking at SW1 the double bladed lightsaber was a pretty nifty spinoff from the classic design. But this new design looks to me as if they desperately wanted something new (why?) and thus came up with this. Which leaves me wondering; what's wrong with the classic lightsaber design in the first place? Some things are good enough as it is and don't need constant evaluation.
And well; when looking at the Falcon getting chased by tie fighters... Could be an interesting angle, but also makes one wonder; wasn't the empire overthrown? But most of all; wouldn't it be more interesting to add something new into the mix instead of re-using aspects from the past?
Still, one way or the other: the trailer sure did its job well. After all; it got people to talk about Star Wars again, and sometimes pretty passionate too. Mission accomplished!
Assuming the Empire was overthrown you are still looking at at least Tie Advanced or Tie Defender there. As far as nearly any interpretation of the Star Wars universe in games, etc is concerned the Fighter was obsolete shortly after the beginning of the Rebellion when the Rebels deployed X-Wings instead of the ancient Z95 Headhunters.
It's got a robot in it like VINCENT out of the Black Hole and EVA out of WALL-E. With a little tweaking Jar Jar could look like Donald Duck........if LUCAS couldn't get it right then Hollywood's #1 fucknut Abrams has got no chance......someone should reboot him up the arse!
Fantasy it may be but it has to work or it lessens the enjoyment, while it may be possible to suspend disbelief for say things like faster than light travel with a lack of time dilation, when you accept a fantasy universe, there are still some things that just have to make common sense.
Most European swords have been chopping or stabbing weapons, the style in Star Wars is more akin to oriental sword work, a samurai sword for example which is a single edged sword that cuts, when striking the blade doesn't just chop, it is drawn so that the edge effectively has a motion like carving meat, you use the back edge if you can to block an opponents' cut and if the blade slides down towards you the Tsuba should stop it. I use Chinese Shuang Jian which have two cutting edges so I can cut in both directions and use the flat of the blade to block. With a light sabre it can cut in any direction and seems to be able to block at any point where the beams touch, so, given the propensity of those beams to cut through almost anything, although they may be good for blocking cuts to the wrist or hands ( which are valid attacks in most sword forms) they are also a liability at any time that they come into contact with your own body unless they have properties that are not explained in the trailer.
Personally making a light sabre look like an old European Grosse Messer
( http://www.armorymarek.com/two-handed-sword ) looks daft to me.
Pedant alert - when blocking with a samurai sword you would also use the flat of the blade rather than the back. Well, speaking as a Nidan in Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu. Perhaps other styles block with the back edge, but I find it unlikely as you'd have to change grip to block then change grip again to counter, or contort your body into a position that would leave you unstable and open.
If we're going to complain about light saber technology, why aren't they 20 feet long, so you can fight someone with a shorter one at a safe distance? The "blade" is just light (that's somehow magically only going out so far) so it should be just as easy to wield.
I though it was just me. The shape is one thing, but the blades themselves just don't quite look right, to flame/electric-arc like. Seems to appear rather quickly too. I'm wondering (hoping) if this isn't actually a lightsaber at all, but some other variant of energy sword.
If, according to mythos, the only thing that effectively stops a LS blade is another LS blade this is the only sort of cross-guard that is useful in LS combat. (note, I am not a SW fanatic, so I may be hopelessly outdated in my mythos)
What it *does* tell me, though, is that in this trilogy we are likely to see LS combat move away from kendo-like moves and more towards medieval combat.
But there's worse to fear.
This is Disney.
They have another blockbusting franchise right now.
They're probably planning to have Wolverine in it... With lightsabre claws!
(Nobody knows his true origin or how old he really is... )
WRONG....there are THREE black dudes in the STAR WARS universe:
Black Dude 1: Lando Calrissian (Billy Dee Williams)
Black Dude 2: Mace Windu (Samuel L Jackson)
Black Dude 3: Er...New Black Dude (Er...don't know his name but he looks like a young Denzel Washington)
Everyone seems to think the is just a badly designed crosspiece. Personally this makes no sense as we've not seen one up to now at lightsabres don't seem to slide up and down when they are clashed.
If you look at the actual blade of the sabre, it looks really quite unstable - it looks thinner than every other blade we've seen and there's red ligtning coursing up and down. Perhaps this is a cobbled together lightsabre from old salvaged bits or a young sith's first build attempt without guidance that needs exhaust ports to prevent the thing from blowing up in the wielder's hand. If it was never designed as a handguard then the bits that stick out make more sense.
actually as an Iiado junkie of many years lightsabers where always poorly designed as pusdeo swords, most sword fighting between two individuals ends up in sword dancing with both swords locked reverse or side on (kendo,kenjitsu,Iiado) one should always block with the reverse of blade, the cross guard(TUSBA) is vital as is the without this you will loose one on one in close quarters.
the scenes in star wars with clash of sabers close would be extremely simple to lob of the fingers of your opponent or wedge your blade deep in a shoulder.
So really this is the first proper light saber .
It always worried me with the original swords, what happen if the blade slides do........ow! That's the five-fingered widow gone!
A cross-piece/hand-guard is a standard item on nearly every sword ever made, designed to stop the opponents sword sliding down YOUR blade and hacking off the wanking equipment, so why should light-sabres be any different?
As for the cross-lightsword-whatsit - my 7 yr old son (massive Star Wars fan) jumped off the sofa when he saw it and shouted AWESOME!
Looking at it as an adult fan it seems a bit daft but then again perhaps not. Ignoring some books for a while, in the films a lightsaber can cut through just about anything so surely a cross-guard would have to be made of light-sword-magic in order to be effective, no?
Either way, my son's assessment is the only one which should matter here. This is Star Wars - it belonged to me when I was 7 in '77 and it should belong to my son today - not me. I hope to enjoy it, but if I enjoy it more than my son I'll regard the film as a failure.
I applaud your sentiment.
I introduced by son to Star Wars post prequels (ugh, what a horrid phrase), so he watched them all in story order. The only one he ever returns to is Empire Strikes Back. I honestly did my best not to cloud his experience with my opinion (he is often quite anti "Dad stuff") but he can't stand Jar Jar Binks and Annie either. So I don't buy the "for the kids" argument. They have similarly exacting standards.
Either way, here's hoping your son's Star Wars is better than my son's, and lives up to ours ;)
Well this teaser has been a triumph for Disney marketing.
"Let's put a slightly different lightsabre in, that'll get us most commented on every tech news site known to man"
A little amazed how such a tiny detail is the #1 item for discussion everywhere, but hey, I'm not a marketing genius!
People have asked whether the crossguards wouldn't just be severed by the light blades. Isn't there a metal in the Star Wars universe that can block lightsabres? In the "Knights of the Old Republic" games, some non-Jedi characters carry swords which I'm sure were able (or seemed to be able) to block lightsabres. Your own character has to use them before they find out they're a Jedi. They were called "vibroblades" or something like that. Perhaps the crossguards are made from the same material.
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