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US Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) has issued a rare public rebuke to the CIA after the agency hacked into a Senate committee's computers to remove documents describing agents' torture enhanced interrogation of terrorist suspects. "I have asked for an apology and a recognition that this CIA search of computers used by its …

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  1. Thought About IT
    Black Helicopters

    Schadenfreude

    Surely, if Feinstein's got nothing to hide, she's got nothing to fear.

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      1. proto-robbie
        Big Brother

        Re: Schadenfreude

        I'd like to comment on this topic, but I'm not sure of the wisdom of so doing.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Big Brother

          Re: Schadenfreude

          Agreed - I'm going to have to pull that comment down. Dangerous waters right now.

    2. them

      Re: Schadenfreude

      "nothing to fear" ... except losing the Senate majority to the Republicans in November, if they can feign outrage and indignation better than the Dems do during the campaigns.

    3. solo

      Re: Schadenfreude

      Oh, CIA.. I missed my key at home.. please don't steal that and definitely not remove those gory documents from my closet..will you

    4. Roo

      Re: Schadenfreude

      "Surely, if Feinstein's got nothing to hide, she's got nothing to fear."

      Well, whatever Feinstein's personal situation is it is clear that the CIA clearly have a lot to hide from the people who are meant to be providing oversight. Presumably they are hiding stuff because they've done something bad, right ? :)

    5. henrydddd

      Re: Schadenfreude

      I don't think it is Feinstein who has to worry. The CIA does though. It holds that if the CIA has nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Schadenfreude

      Right with you on the schadenfreude, but still, this is precisely the type of abuse of power we should most fear: Our own process of democratic self-governance is being manipulated by the CIA. Not unprecedented, but deeply disturbing. This should have been the topmost concern for all observers since the Snowden revelations and it has come to pass.

  2. Roo
    Windows

    Blimey.

    Pretty blatant piss-taking by the CIA, and of course interfering with the proper oversight of their activities. Seems unlikely that we'll see some CIA bods prosecuted for Treason, so my money is on no one taking the rap and no significant change taking place...

    It would be nice to be surprised. Anyone else got a guess as to what happens next ?

    Tempting to run a sweep stake on the outcome. No idea where I would start placing odds on Feinstein having an unlikely accident though. :/

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Blimey.

      > Seems unlikely that we'll see some CIA bods prosecuted for Treason, so my money is on no one taking the rap and no significant change taking place...

      Someone should be going to jail for a long time for this.

      But I think you're right. The law only apply to us plebs. Our overlords play by different rules.

      Isn't this kind of thing what the writers of the US constitution had in mind?

    2. Bloakey1
      Trollface

      Re: Blimey." I see Pinko Commie Faggots"

      <snip>

      "Tempting to run a sweep stake on the outcome. No idea where I would start placing odds on Feinstein having an unlikely accident though. :/"

      I think that a nice little audit of her financial dealings {e.g. tax,} sexual habits, employee record at various jobs, C.V (all of them, are there any false statements or wishful thinking?), dealings with public and or private entities, statements in public and or private etc. Should be able to convict her or destroy her reputation.

      The above is just a few quick thoughts from my laptop in bar with wine at my side. Give me a few hours and I could provide you with a list that would ultimately lead to the character assassination of anybody, me included.

      Do not forget that the U.S. has killed people for their radical opinions (e.g. support for the Muj in the Ghan) which were totally in-line with U.S. policy at the time {80s}. Bring it into the present and errr, you are hoist by a petard with made in USA on it.

      The CIA were emasculated to a certain extent by Rumsfeld and Cheney with the beast called JSOC. Now the CIA are trying to regain lost ground so anything could happen.

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      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Blimey." I see Pinko Commie Faggots"

        I think that a nice little audit of her financial dealings {e.g. tax,} sexual habits, employee record at various jobs, C.V (all of them, are there any false statements or wishful thinking?), dealings with public and or private entities, statements in public and or private etc. Should be able to convict her or destroy her reputation.

        A smear campaign doesn't really need to be connected to any real facts. Some mud will always stick.

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    5. IglooDude

      Re: Blimey.

      Why would they off Feinstein? She's been their biggest supporter/apologist, current outrage notwithstanding. The senators sniff trouble, they'll put Rand Paul (or actually, a like-minded Democrat, since Sen. Paul is a Republican and so realistically isn't currently eligible) in as the Intelligence Committee chair, and watch how the CIA likes *that*.

  3. Pirate Dave
    Pirate

    No worries...

    "Besides the constitutional implications, the CIA’s search may also have violated the Fourth Amendment, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, as well as Executive Order 12333, which prohibits the CIA from conducting domestic searches or surveillance."

    None of which really bothers the CIA all that much. Those are mortal laws. The CIA is above such petty inconveniences. I'm sure if a sharp-eyed legal eagle went looking, he could find something, somewhere, that could stop the CIA's abuse, but we'd probably not hear about it before he got waterboarded to death.

  4. Daniel B.

    Heh

    Though she is right. The CIA is forbidden from operating within the US. That alone makes it unlawful for them to have deleted stuff from the oversight committee.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Heh

      That one - no. However, they have tried running a bog standard dirty op on her staffers via the press which is something they are definitely prohibited from.

      In any case, cry me a river senator. You are now getting a taste of your own medicine - being on the receiving side of an agency which is accusomed to being allowed post-factum anything it has decided to do at the time. It is not what it is doing which is the problem. It is "this will be approved anyway" mentalit. That is something Ms Feinstein has been instrumental in establishing as a status quo. Who sows wind, shall harvest a tempest. Enjoy.

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Heh

      1, But the law doesn't apply to "cross border areas" which is anywhere within 100mi of a coastline or the canada/Mexico border.

      2, Washington isn't a state

      3, We're the fscking CIA, we don't need no steenkin laws

  5. john devoy

    A hypocritical politician? say it isn't so.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      A hypocritical politician

      Not at all hypocritical.

      She approves of the NSA spying on potential terrorists - like all Americans and all foreigners.

      But anyone in government can't possibly be a bad guy so it is wrong to spy on them,

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What a sick joke

    I'd take the NSA over the arse clowns in Congress including not-so-fine and very clueless Feinstein.

    1. ShadowedOne

      Re: What a sick joke

      "What a sick joke"

      Quite the apt summary of your post.

  7. Gray
    Devil

    When the Foo shites, wear it ...

    Feinstein has screamed for Snowden's head on a pike ... now she screams that she's been violated by an agency's disregard for her Constitutional protections!

    When we citizens are violated, that's a possible concern ... when our politician is violated, that's priceless!

    Don't expect her to forgive Snowden, or to cause more than some CIA lackey to be tossed to the wolves. Big news today; old news tomorrow.

    1. Mark 85 Silver badge

      Re: When the Foo shites, wear it ...

      Isn't it amazing that the talking heads in government who tell us not to be upset about all this are now yelling the loudest? Those in power have just realized that there's a darker power behind the throne and while they may use that darker power on others, they don't like it used on themselves. I'm sure in the so-called bad examples of the world, that they have a similar dark power behind them which may turn on them for any of a 100 reasons.

      I guess there's a reason that Congress has been trying to find out if the CIA and NSA have been monitoring them. Now that they know, I wonder which ones will be made an example of.

      There's been a lot of conspiracy talk over the years about a certain Congress Critter who's wife was on a plane that crashed and that the crash was to shut him up. There have been others also including a President and his brother. But I digress...

      If I disappear soon... I guess the dark powers will have come for me.

  8. unitron
    Black Helicopters

    So the CIA...

    ...wants us to believe that their computers got hacked by Congressional staffers?

    (because everyone knows Congressional staffers have the 'leet-est haxor skillz)

    And they don't expect to be immediately fired for allowing such a breech?

    1. Jonathan Richards 1

      Re: So the CIA...

      I believe it's more subtle than that. The CIA set up, and loaded data into, an airgapped network for the use of the Congress committee personnel, to trawl through the Big Data (a technique called "I Dunno, It's In There Somewhere, Guv"). Later, the CIA discovered that one of the needles extracted from the haystack was something that they would rather not have disclosed to the committee. How inconvenient. So they deleted some of the data that they had previously supplied to Congress, presumably thinking "hey, this is our network, ain't it? Well, look here, we've got access and everything, why don't we just put it right with a touch of rm?". Sen. Feinstein doesn't see it this way. She doesn't think her oversight should be partially blinded.

      FWIW, neither do I. There should be nothing that the CIA hides from the appointed overseers, and that should go for all the TLA's, and the four-letter one in the UK.

      1. Hans 1 Silver badge
        Black Helicopters

        Re: So the CIA...

        Go back to your Bond film ... this is real life, this is: we do what we want, where we want, when we want, no laws of any country on planet earth have anything to say ...

        They have been conducting torture in many countries, including, and not limited to, Poland, Germany, France, Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mexico and the US (of course) ... these are specific cases of which I know, and I do not even follow their shit thoroughly.

        These guyz will not abide to any laws, they are the real guyz in charge ... JFK, heard of him ? Eisenhower, heard of him ? If you still don't see a connection, I think you can pluck your head back into the sand ...

        .... shit, choppers ... brb

  9. Eddy Ito Silver badge

    Huh

    Who'da thunk it?

    When folks cried about the wolves this is the lady who said they imagined it. When folks explained how the wolves ate all the chickens this lady called them whacko conspiracy theorists who couldn't be trusted. When someone provided chickens in the wolf shit and documented proof of the wolves she called him a traitor. So now that the wolves have taken a bite of her pie all I can say is "How's that gander sauce Mrs. Goose? The Uchan-su flows just for you."

  10. zen1

    Feinstein

    If I remember correctly, not only did she call for Snowden's head on a pike but she was actually OK with the horse crap that the NSA was committing. Surely the 'good' Senator has nothing to hide! Now the upper hand is on the other foot, she's whining.

    I am so not a fan of all the political posturing, finger pointing or foul calling. But for this pig eyed sack of shit to want her cake & eat it too is just too much. As far as I'm concerned, there should be some accountability in the executive and legislative branches of the American government.

    Which is the more grievous offense Senator, the NSA spying on the citizens of the US and other countries of the world or the CIA spying on you and your cronies? You are required to follow the same laws I do and I am supposedly afforded the same constitutional guarantees and protection, that you are (insert eye roll here). This "do as I say, not as I do" shit has to end now.

  11. willi0000000

    the only reason that DF would dare complain about the CIA is because they lost their file on her.

    [or maybe, "but i thought i was your friend"]

  12. Sebastian A

    Why are they talking about this

    ...and not just firing the whole damn management structure and starting from scratch? How corrupt does an organisation need to be to warrant a full redo for f's sake?!?

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  14. Anonymous Coward
    Happy

    Congratulations, Senator Feinstein!

    Now you know what the rest of us feel like. Can you hear me now? You and President Obama have trampled on the constitution until it is no longer legible. You did not want to complain about the behaviour of the Federal government and its sundry agencies untily your ox got gored. So, cry me a river! See if it will make any difference. Yes, your rights have been violated. Just imagine that you are being made safer by YOUR government. It should make you sleep like a frikkin lamb.

    1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Trollface

      Re: Congratulations, Senator Feinstein!

      "Now you know what the rest of us feel like. Can you hear me now? You and President Obama have trampled on the constitution until it is no longer legible. You did not want to complain about the behaviour of the Federal government and its sundry agencies untily your ox got gored. So, cry me a river! See if it will make any difference. Yes, your rights have been violated. Just imagine that you are being made safer by YOUR government. It should make you sleep like a frikkin lamb."

      I'd say do not feed but in case you actually believe this BS I'd point out that the THE PATRIOT Act comes from GH Bush Jnr's time in office.

      Your current president didn't start it but his response to put these data fetishists on a leash has been ineffective.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Congratulations, Senator Feinstein!

        The "security agencies", all of them, in the US are out of control. Their atttude is "the President's only in charge for 8 years, we go on forever". They can afford to wait it out, then go on doing whatever they think is in the country's best interests...and they should know, because they are "the guardians of freedom", or some such horse manure.

        It's McCarthy all over again, except now, they have resources he could only have dreamed of.

        // anonymous, but not to them...

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Congratulations, Senator Feinstein!

    Now you know how the rest of us feel. You and President Obama have trampled the constitution until is now completely illegible. Don't come crying to me about your folly.

  16. dan1980

    Awesome

    Settings aside the fact that, if this has happened, it's a pretty big deal, one hopes that this throws into sharp relief the monsters that have been created in the CIA and NSA.

    I also hope that the politicians in Washington, and indeed around the world, see in this an eerily familiar reflection.

    After all, these politicians sit there and decide what information the public should and should not see, with the justification that telling the people the truth is less important than 'National Security' and 'protecting US* interests'. It's okay, the politicians will make sure everything is above board and tell the people anything they really need to know - you can trust them.

    It's for your own good after all.

    The way the CIA is reported to have acted in this matter** is, in effect, no different, except that they have done it one step up the chain of information; essentially deciding what information the US Government should and should not see.

    For its own good . . .

    The report would be classified anyway, with only carefully-vetted portions released to the public - "in the interests of US National Security". Given that, her case boils down to her being angry that someone else (the CIA) has decided they are better suited to censor the information than she is.

    She might puff up and protest that she is a US Senator, elected by the people of the United States of America and trusted by them to perform these functions. In doing so, she would be missing two important points: that the people elected her a Senator, not the chair of the Senate Committee on Intelligence, and that the people get the choice between one party that wants to control what they know and another party that want to control what they know; there's not a lot of scope there.

    She might say that the system of checks and balances and oversight breaks down when such things happen. Very true, but then one might reply that the warrantless search provisions of the FISA Improvements Act she supported cuts an entire arm of the Government (the Judicial) out of the process.

    It is interesting to note the following, which opens her statement:

    "Let me say up front that I come to the Senate Floor reluctantly. Since January 15, 2014, when I was informed of the CIA’s search of this committee’s network, I have been trying to resolve this dispute in a discreet and respectful way. I have not commented in response to media requests for additional information on this matter. However, the increasing amount of inaccurate information circulating now cannot be allowed to stand unanswered."

    So, it was Sen Feinstein's preference that the people she represents and acts on behalf of (US citizens) not be made aware that a Government Agency (the CIA) was deliberately withholding and removing evidence in an attempt to hide their activities.

    They have imbued these agencies with the power to ignore the constitution, circumvent and due process, allowed them to spy illegally on and act against all and sundry and then protected them by denying courts their rightful role by waving the 'National Security' card. They have lied to the people and even to other members of government (representative democracy - what's that?).

    And somehow, after all that, they are still outraged that one of these agencies has ignored the constitution, circumvented due process, spied illegally, and lied about it all.

    Like I said, awesome.

    * - Substitute whichever country you please.

    ** - Starting with the destruction of the tapes.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The CIA Congress Wars...

    Another chapter in The-Fall-of-Rome USA style. How much coverage would this have gotten without E Snowden? Wow, he must be feeling on top of the world after this... America is spiralling into decadent oblivion.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Feinstein.

    I once thought that Nancy Pelosi was the Wicked Witch of the West, but I have changed my mind. She does not hold a candle Ms. Feinstein. Let's throw water on the two of them along with Babs Boxer and see what happens.

    1. Don Jefe

      Re: Feinstein.

      No. Your first instinct was correct. Pelosi is a cunning, disruptive and underhanded facsimile of a Human female. Feinstein is a blithering fucking idiot with advanced senile dementia.

      I realize it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes, but one is a bad person, the other is 'special'. Which is the most dangerous? Don't know.

      1. dan1980
        Thumb Up

        Re: Feinstein.

        @Don Jefe

        Your recent posts have been (rather agreeably) vitriolic. Carry on.

        1. Don Jefe

          Re: Feinstein.

          It's insurance audit month. Once a year our insurance underwriter sends a team of annoying little snots in here and for four-five weeks they come here and invariably touch the things that plainly say 'DANGER - DO NOT TOUCH' then raise my rates because there are dangerous things people can touch in here.

          It makes no difference that those things are only dangerous if you touch them and, at worst, you'll lose a finger, not die. Nor does it make any difference that those of is who have lost a finger are even more careful afterward. I argue that our rates should go down if it's just a finger because the educational value is huge.

          But they don't listen, they give me a big stack of 'Issues Requiring Resolution' documents which I've never read and send off to someone else to read and come fix for me. I try to get them to just leave me out of it & just tell me how much it will cost. But they say it's required that I be informed. Assholes. It costs several hundred thousand dollars each year (at least) and all I get is a bill. It puts me in a bad mood :)

          1. dan1980

            Re: Feinstein.

            I figured it was something like that. Or that you'd gone off your meds. Did that once; wasn't awesome.

  19. Tyrion

    The Irony...

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    kettle & pot meet acid

    Spy on a few billion people - no problem, that is what we asked for, great work.

    Run an active engagement on your control group - heads must roll.

  21. them

    It's an election year.

    While Feinstein's own seat isn't up in November, how she responds to abuses by the intelligence community will have an effect on whether the Dems retain their senate majority and perhaps gain a house majority.

    As Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, she is the key figure in intelligence oversight, yet it is obvious to anyone paying attention that she has failed in her duty to protect the Constitution. As a politician, she has no recourse now but to blame the subjects of her oversight.

    Because Congress has failed so pathetically and dismally to take their oversight role seriously, and has completely ignored the public interest, and because the public is now slightly more awake and know this, politicians will be scrambling to absolve themselves of their failure and blame everything on the intel community directly.

    That being said, the intel community have done their level best to skirt and undermine every manner of public oversight, but that doesn't justify Congress' continual use of a slack leash.

    Though it is sad that it took such a massive whistleblowing event for the public to pay attention and for the politicians to make even an obviously disingenuous gesture of caring about oversight, there is some slight hope that Feinstein's latest feigned indignation is a sign of a turning political tide, towards tightening the leash and putting some sort of meaningful limit on secret unaccountable power.

    For this chance at fixing our democracy, we owe Mr. Snowden our thanks.

    The next step is up to the public themselves, since, in the absence of public vigilance, our elected officials will go back to rubber-stamping every form of war and torture and spying desired by the Executive branch.

    1. Roo

      Re: It's an election year.

      "As Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, she is the key figure in intelligence oversight, yet it is obvious to anyone paying attention that she has failed in her duty to protect the Constitution."

      Broadly speaking, yes, she has totally failed in her job of oversight. On the other hand speaking out is a mitigation for that, she is now shedding some light on the subject and I think Feinstein has shown some courage in doing that has placed this information in the public domain in the light of the fact that the CIA are operating without any restraint whatsoever.

      That said, if I had a vote on whether to fire her from that role I would probably fire her. No point in having someone with no teeth and no handle on the CIA. This really is a 3AM job for the Secret Service at this stage, it has gone far beyond anything your common or garden Senator can realistically achieve.

      1. Don Jefe

        Re: It's an election year. @Roo

        I see where you are making your error. No need to fret though, it's never explained very well, and it's a very common mistake.

        You assume 'oversight' to mean she acts as an overseer, when the reverse is what's really happening. We give her that title because she requires massive levels of oversight. Attaching her to a developmentally challenged sea anchor of a committee is the only way to keep her from going completely off the rails.

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  22. Don Jefe

    Found Jesus. Then Lost Him at the Bar

    You don't have to get into national security issues to know the CIA went about all this the wrong way.

    Just delete the info you don't want and put some THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK pages in there.

    Those pages are such a stupid idea that anybody who sees one will assume it's supposed to be that way. Christ. Somebody should invent a THIS PAGE UNINTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK page.

    If you really want to fuck with people you list those pages in the index and make sure you trim a few words off the last sentence of the preceding page and jump into a wholly unrelated topic on the page after the 'Blank.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Found Jesus. Then Lost Him at the Bar

      If you want to cover up information you put it in a Powerpoint

      1. DropBear Silver badge

        Re: Found Jesus. Then Lost Him at the Bar

        "If you want to cover up information you put it in a Powerpoint" - Nah, you write it with some weird right-to-left script font and put it into a PDF. Guaranteed inability to find even stuff directly staring you in the face, even if copy-pasted straight from the page into the search box...

    2. Jonathan Richards 1
      Go

      Re: Found Jesus. Then Lost Him at the Bar

      Yabbut, as I understand it, the CIA removed the "offending" source documents after the congressional committee had noted their contents, an attempt to bolt the stable door after the cat was out of the bag. Or similarly muddled thinking. On being called out, the CIA tried to blame a contractor, and finally 'fessed up, but Brennan still thinks they did nothing wrong. Pass the popcorn. Thank you.

  23. Old Handle
    Paris Hilton

    It almost makes it seem like she really believed the stuff she said before, that all this spying etc, is carefully regulated and totally for the good of the people. Otherwise, how can she be surprised that they would illegally spy on her too?

    1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Windows

      "It almost makes it seem like she really believed the stuff she said before, that all this spying etc, is carefully regulated and totally for the good of the people. Otherwise, how can she be surprised that they would illegally spy on her too?"

      Which for a multi term Senator simply beggers belief.

      Only dementia could give such a level of weak mindedness.

  24. zen1

    +1 to the reg

    You couldn't have found a better picture of Mrs. (Ms.?) Feinstein, unless you found one sans makeup. I refuse to address her as Senator as I've lost all respect for that institution, reason being is that they have an intelligence oversight committee that's supposed to know about the hijinks performed by the NSA and CIA.

    Maybe they don't know all of the minute operational detail, but there are probably few activities that these oversight committees aren't privy to.

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "...we're seeing another 'Merkel Effect,' where an elected official does not care at all that the rights of millions of ordinary citizens are violated..."

    So, I'm guessing that Snowden is no longer holding out much hope for a German visa, then...

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

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      Anonymous Coward

      Re: REDACTED

      This reply has been redacted on behalf of the author of the original comment

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

        Re: REDACTED

        This post has not been redacted. You may think that the original post has been redacted, but that's just your imagination. Nothing was redacted since there was nothing here to begin with.

        Love, CIA xxx

    2. arctic_haze Silver badge

      Re: REDACTED

      This reply never existed.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: REDACTED

        We can neither confirm nor deny that there is not a discussion surrounding the redaction of replies to posts which did not exist, that did not exist either, which does not exist.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: REDACTED

      The other day within the (Reg) lair

      I saw a thread that wasn't there

      It wasn't there again today

      I think they fear the CIA

  27. Christian Berger Silver badge

    Democratic oversight won't work...

    ....for organisations which can simply sabotage the democratic instances which should control them.

    Large organisations tend to have one primary motivation, they want to survive. The NSA knows very well, that as soon as the public gets informed about what they do, and has the power to abandon them, they would do this nearly immediately. Therefore it needs to protect itself in order to survive.

    Powerful secret services are not something which is compatible with a democracy.

    1. Schultz

      Re: Democratic oversight won't work...

      Democratic oversight can only work if the sovereign (The People) is informed. Don't expect the anything magic from the people's representatives, they just follow their job description (win election ... prepare winning the next election).

      Read the pentagon papers Ellsberg if you want to get a feel about corrupting power.

      1. Where not exists

        Re: Pentagon Papers....

        "Democratic oversight can only work if the sovereign (The People) is informed."

        That is why we need a press that is not an extension of the views or Rupert Murdoc, Sam Zell or other self interested moguls. We need more Arthur Sulzbergers and Katharine Grahams at the helm.

  28. BabyBaldEagle

    So Snowden is declared a traitor?????????????/

    What will happen to the CIA agents and beaurocrats ? Nothing .....

    A trip to the Funny Farm ,or that lovely place in Cuba ,which Obama just can not

    bring himself to be rid of Ho Hum. The little men in their big white coats will be on their way.

  29. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Holmes

    "violated the Fourth Amendment, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, as well as Executive Order 12333

    Oh Senator, did you not read THE PATRIOT Act?"

    Trick question AFAIK only 1 senator (from Wisconsin) did.

    He didn't vote for it.

  30. Tom 7 Silver badge

    The fact that its hysterically funny

    doesn’t make it any the less terrifying.

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  32. Ian 45

    Russia

    And the yanks feel they can have a go at Russia for invading a country and torturing people they dont like. America is a disgrace.

  33. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Decline and Fall

    When the guardians become stronger the rulers.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

  34. Identity
    Big Brother

    Nothing to see here

    Move along

  35. Dave 32
    Mushroom

    Poetic Justice?

    Oh, isn't this what's called Poetic Justice? ;-)

    Where is Frank Church when you need him?

    Oh, and haven't we all been here before already?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Church#NSA_monitoring_of_Senator_Church.27s_communications

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santayana

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Dave

    P.S. For those that don't read Latin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F

    P.P.S. I'll get my coat. It's the one with the listening device in the pocket.

  36. AbeSapian

    Here's Your Winnings Sir.

    I'm shocked, shocked to discover there's gamboling going on here!

  37. Maty

    Didn't someone once say ...

    ...it was about 'government of the people by the people for the people'?

    Given that the USA has moved pretty far from that, shouldn't those pinko commie sentiments be redacted, and history revised to show that Abe Lincoln really said 'If you have nothing to hide you have noting to fear.'

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