How many did they actually make then? Did it reach as far as double figures?
Microsoft says it is nearly out of stock of its forthcoming Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 fondleslabs, though what that means in terms of actual sales figures is anybody's guess. Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 are close to selling out. All those buyers are gonna need apps. Your move: http://t.co/YGWmjklfuB — Microsoft Developer (@ …
"As you haven't got it yet, I'd take care about making statements like that."
The OS and Surface quality design and format are known quantities.In terms of that and the capabilities, it is the best thing on the market I can order right now. Dell and others might bring out something better soon, but they are not able to be ordered yet....
>>"I have a Surface Pro 256GB on order. They are simply the best tablet on the market."
>Just shows there is an idiot born every minute.
A full x86 Windows PC in a tablet by its very nature kicks Android and iOS to the side, simply because you can do literally anything on it.
The problem with Pro is basically the price, not the spec or the OS.
For convertible ultra books, look to Lenovo. For bullet proof data access, Apple and for flexible low muscle computing Android. Microsoft are the best at none of these and are increasingly looking to be the worst option of all.
I got a Surface T through work. Everyone played with it for a few minutes. Out of a team of 10 techies, no-one wanted to keep it, so it' been gathering dust in a drawer eversince. Too slow, too heavy, too expensive, keyboard is woeful, app store is a joke - didn't even filter out x86 apps - so you only found uou an app was x86 only when you tried to install it. And to be honest, I can't stand Windows 8 either.
Microsoft make tablets? Gosh - I wonder why no-one knows about this. Next you'll be saying they have a search engine of their own, rather than merely throwing a script kiddie wrapper round someone elses.
While Microsoft is crowing about 'sold out' sales on new Surface 2 tablets, although actual "credible" numbers are always elusive from Redmond, the question in minds of many technology buyers, and should be for Delta Airlines is that of Microsoft (not) addressing the many very serious Zero Day and other security vulnerabilities** recently exposed (during last eight weeks) in Internet Explorer and Silverlight for all Microsoft based devices and Windows Mobile 8 itself, that have not been fixed, with one case of Windows 8 Mobile Security certificates not being fixable at all.
it is surprising and ominous that so many Americans and some foreigners - particularly the English that "love" Microsoft, continue to invest in the broken, twentieth century and always-catch up technology from Microsoft that never quite reaches par with their rivals in reliability, quality, value and especially good security. This last criteria is critical.
The Microsoft "Stockholm Syndrome" is definitely holding back a good part of US technology advance.
** See exposing evidence here:
Seeing that Silverlight is no longer supported by Microsoft, that they publically announced this over a year ago, that it doesn't even work with Metro IE or WP8 I'm not quite sure how a security vulnerability for that is even relevant.
It would be akin to mentioning a zero day exploit for Google Reader, Windows 95 or MSN messenger has been found.
MS is encouraging uptake of Silverlight for MOBILE devices, not desktop/non-mobile settings. I don't know where the truth lies, but since Netflix apparently dumped Silverlight, and Flash and HTML 5 seem to be favored, it is hard for me to know, especially since I'm not a programmer and don't follow it regularly.
Silverlight was used in WindowsPhone7 but dropped for WindowsPhone8 and not used at all for Windows 8 Metro/TIFKAM. The last update to Silverlight was Silverlight 5 released back in early 2012.
Netflix moved away from Silverlight when it was clear Microsoft had killed it off in favour of HTML5.
Whoever posted that tweet could be in real trouble.
Microsoft may not have noticed it but the SEC this year authorised the use of Twitter for relevant information. The flipside of being able to spurt "we're doing really great" is that the SEC takes a very dim view of "forward looking statements" that can be conceived as misleading. Without further, detailed information such as might be expected at investors' call it's difficult to see how that claim about a publicly traded company can be considered as anything other than misleading.
"next you'll say false advertising should be illegal."
False advertising affects ill informed consumers, Joe Public, etc.
False financial statements (forward looking or otherwise) affect the professional experts, movers and shakers, around Wall Street and the City.
Which one needs more legal protection?
Which one gets more legal protection?
As they sit in the nineties and stare at a blank wall. Silly bastards, they can't even catch up with things happening in the last decade, they frustrate me so much, it's getting annoying now. Come on MS get some hardware nonse about your selves! Developers, developers, developers, are using more popular products to push their software. It's getting dark for them, argh and it's horrible to watch. No I can't watch. ;(
For about 300 GBP I have a Surface RT, and I like it ;-)
Yes it's handicapped compared to a full windows machine and i have problems with things like vpn support, but for what i paid, and what i need it to do it does 75% of what i want out of the box (well with Windows8.1). There are a few apps that fill many of the gaps.
The 8.1 upgrade with full outlook is worth it. That is why i made the purchase.
I was against when it did not have outlook, it was pointless I felt. Now that i have tried a surface and it does have outlook it's a decent piece of kit. MS need to get a few things sorted, and it needs better apps.
So unless you have actually tried to use one then please don't try to tell those of us who have used one that it's no good.
I would rather have a surface RT than any fruit or chocolate OS powered device.
I am expecting a stack of down votes, but I am happy with the Surface RT
Yep, I've used one, and (the pro, as it needs active directory integration etc.). It's not too bad, to be honest (at least the Win8 UI works for the tablet form, rather than the travesty it is on the desktop).
However, it's not a "wow" that's enough to tempt people away from the rich ecosystems that are the iOS and Android platforms. It may have a place in business, but that would require a lot of training (and maybe putting Win8 on the desktop, which very few businesses are thinking seriously about), but it'll have an extremely tough time getting a footing in the consumer market, especially at the price points MS are pitching (hell, you can get an Android that'll do everything the Surface will for most users at a fraction of the price, AND it'll have a wealth of apps).
My money isn't on MS at the moment. It's an OK product released into a saturated market; you know, the kind of thing that you need a revolutionary product that makes people sit up and go "This is something new, and does things the other can't"..
Wrote :- "It's an OK product released into a saturated market [but] you need a revolutionary product that makes people sit up and go "This is something new, and does things the other can't"."
What MS are banking on, as the "Wow" factor here, is the "Windows" brand. It does still work with some people (the PHBs of this world, like in Delta Airlines perhaps). However, MS have not yet caught up with the fact that they can no longer sell themselves on just their name - it has become a negative factor for many in fact.
This is going to be another slow-motion train crash.
The big problem is, that the Surface works well... for all the things other deviced have worked well for years now. Surface Pro has a few advantages, but is much more expensive.
The market is saturated with iOS and the iOS for people who don't like Apple, Android. If Microsoft wanted to gain something there, they would have to do something different.
Why in God's name have you collected so many downvotes? You say you've got a Surface RT, and it does what you bought it for, and you're happy with it.
So why so many downvotes? Are there so many who think you should only be happy with what they approve of, and that you shouldn't make decisions of your own?
I couldn't care less what your criteria are - that's your business. If you're happy with your choice, then good for you!
I have a MacPro, an iPhone5 and an iPad mini - and I'm very happy with all of them. No doubt I'll get hordes of downvotes from those who think I should be burned at the stake for daring to not follow the mob...
I also have a Surface RT, and I like it!
I wanted mutiple user support so Apple's offerings were out the window and the Android multi-user support was not mature enough. The browser being fairly fully featured does away with the need for apps to view youtube etc. I really like that the OS mimics the full Windows 8 allowing you to do most things you can on full windows (manage devices, map network drives). So far, no issues at all.
Why is MS selling the lower spec products first, then the up-specced products later?
Marketing 101: Sell the upspecced product first. The early buyers are likely to be less price sensitive and more likely to splash out for premium product. Then sell the low spec product to cater to the envious people who cannot affortd the up-speeced producrt.
Even the most keen early buyer is unlikely to replace their low-spec purchase with an up-spec purchase 2 weeks later.
Who the hell is going to bother with mickysoft's offerings, when Dell have better, more flexible, tabs at much less wonger?
Hell, given the choice between a $299 Dell Venue 8 Pro and a $449 Surface 2 - when the Dell offering IS compatible with normal windows apps and the MS RT (sorry 2) isn't - is something that's not going to take a whole lot of time.
Even on the Venue 11 Pro side of things, up against the Surface Pro 2 at $899, the $499 price is going to look very tasty.
I hope the Ballmerites are getting them made in batches of 1000 - otherwise that warehouse where the unsaleable Mk1s went is going to get a whole lot more deliveries.
You should compare comparable configurations. The Venue 11 at $499 has less features than a Surface Pro at $899. An Atom vs. i5, 32GB storage vs 64GB, plastic vs. magnesium case, optional stylus vs. standard one,, etc etc.
Wait for the prices to be announced and you can compare similar configurations. I guess the Surface will still be slightly more expensive, anyway good competition always helps to deliver better products.
Interesting... there are people here who can't tell the difference between an Atom and an i5, and between 32 and 64... now I understand why internet scams work so well.
Guess when Dell prices will be announced someone will be disappointed - and will shout that $499 for an Atom with 32GB of disk space (more than half gobbled by the OS) is too much. After all for such a price one can easily buy a decent notebook with a better processor and far more disk space.
I actually like my Windows 8 (Home version) tablet...11.6 inch screen...Lenovo IdeaPad Lynx. It is down to around $250 some places these days I think. Originally released at almost $400. Seems like MS can't make Win 8 tablets move no matter who makes them. Pretty stupid deal all around when you consider how they bastardized desktop Windows in favor of the common experience with tablets and phones they can't seem to sell.
Surface is starting to look more promising as an offering, but it is wayyyyyy too expensive. I need a minimum of 256gb of storage space to replace my laptop, but why would I pay over 1000 gbp for a surface when I can get a kick ass laptop with touchscreen for 600? Thats the question that Microsoft needs to answer. Until the prices fall 30% or more I wont be buying one.
There are actually quite a few laptops out there at that price point. I just bought a laptop at work for one of my new starters, a Dell Inspiron 15R, with 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD and HD touchscreen for almost exactly £600. We've been debating at work whether to eventually replace laptops with Surface devices but at the current price point its totally unviable. The prices would have to come down to near laptop levels for it to be worth doing. I might be willing to pay a bit of a premium, say 700, maybe 800 tops, but not more than that.
Windows is more efficient, faster, and with fewer with resource requirements than Android, has a more modern UI, is better optimised for use on a tablet and phone. And it doesn't have any malware.
I am one person that wants to (and does) carry Windows around with me and I know plenty of others, so you are wrong.
When Apple says "We are sold out of iPhoneX / iPadY" - they post their numbers... usually 2~5 million in the first few days. But here is the official number: $9 million iPhone 5S/C in 3 days.
Saying "we sold out" means nothing. Let see... they sold maybe 1-2million Surface1 over the course of 12 months.... maybe. Many are give-aways, many are discounted. Many are still collecting dust in a warehouse.
MS might have made 100,000 Surface units... that sounds reasonable. Hell, in another 12 months MS may have sold another 500,000.
Microsoft = irrelevant.
Sadly, it's my experience that, in the world of retail sales, "Almost sold out!!!" (spurious exclamation marks mandatory) is trader-speak for, "We have a pile of these we need to shift, we can barely even give them away, and we think you're gullible enough to buy if you think they're popular".
As they have almost sold out, (until presuambly Kevin with the van brings the next batch in ) what sort of discount will they give me on the display model..??
I don't want one I'm just curious on how desperate they are to sell the thing..
Currently lurking in Tescos counting the shoppers handling a surface and shoppers handling a HUDL..
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