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North Korea's tubby tyrant Kim Jong-un reportedly had his ex-lover publicly executed by a machine-gun-toting firing squad after accusing her of making a group sex tape. His former girlfriend Hyon Song-wol - also the hermit state's Unhasu Orchestra lead singer - was arrested along with orchestra boss Mun Kyong-jin and a group …

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  1. asdf Silver badge

    so sad

    A place so thoroughly f__ked up that it will take the survivors a few generations after their hell ends to realize just how badly the Kim family f__ked them over.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: so sad

      Trust me, asdf ... Most in the North know how fucked up it is.

      I have many friends in the South with family just a couple miles North.

    2. LarsG
      Meh

      Propaganda

      Lets be honest about this, an escapee tells all playing right into the hands of those that want to discredit a nutty regime, it's exactly what they want to hear..

      While the North Korean regime is pretty bonkers and on the verge of insanity I struggle to 'believe' everything reported is the complete truth. After the way the US and the UK lied about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, and now the reports of alleged chemical weapons in Syria which appears the trigger for intervention by the West, unless I see it myself I am reluctant to believe it, especially after seeing that Tony Blair is rattling his sabre against Syria trying to start a Holy War.

      The peace envoy for the Middle East advocating War?

      I will take nothing at face value ever again.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Propaganda

        285-272 is the Parliament vote against taking action in Syria.

        272 MP's wanted to go to what would amount to war, we have go our fair share of idiots too.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Propaganda

          "272 MP's wanted to go to what would amount to war, we have go our fair share of idiots too."

          We have idiots here too. And I'm beginning to think that they're the ones who sent American troops to Europe in 1917.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Propaganda

            Well it did take you 2 years to summon up the courage to join in after a German U-boat attacked your ship and killed 128 people...Not to mention after they then attacked you in Jersey City and Lyndhurst.

            And then once you finally arrived, your largest effect was to cause the British troops to have to be more careful about keeping their heads down when your poorly trained and gung ho soldiers started taking random potshots.....

            Not much has changed to this day in that regard - the USA maintains one of the world's poorest trained first world armies, and Britain one of the best trained...

            1. Dr?

              Re: Propaganda

              "Well it did take you 2 years to summon up the courage to join in after a German U-boat attacked your ship and killed 128 people..."

              Not entirely sure if this was aimed at me, but I am English. And regardless of the challenges the US troops bought with them, they certainly helped bring World War 2 to a speedier conclusion that would otherwise have been possible.

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Propaganda

              "And then once you finally arrived, your largest effect was to cause the British troops to have to be more careful about keeping their heads down when your poorly trained and gung ho soldiers started taking random potshots.....Not much has changed to this day in that regard - the USA maintains one of the world's poorest trained first world armies, and Britain one of the best trained..."

              You're from the BNP, right?

        2. Chris Miller

          Re: Propaganda

          Actually, 272 MPs voted for a motion that would have required a further vote prior to any military action. The opposition opposed (in part, no doubt, driven by guilt at having been taken in by Blair's 'dodgy dossier') and were joined by a sufficient number (many of whom wanted to give the PM a good kicking for personal reasons) to defeat the government motion.

          The world is more complex than your simplistic black and white view.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Propaganda

            "The world is more complex than your simplistic black and white view."

            Shush, don't scare the American, you'll put him off his bowl of Fox.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Propaganda

              "The world is more complex than your simplistic black and white view."

              "Shush, don't scare the American, you'll put him off his bowl of Fox."

              The poster with the black and white view referred to wrote "285-272 is the Parliament vote against taking action in Syria. 272 MP's wanted to go to what would amount to war, we have go our fair share of idiots too."

              You evidently don't have the brains to realize that the poster was not an American but in the UK. And you must be one of the "idiots" he was referring to and there is no reason for you to feel superior to anyone, Fox news watcher or not.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Propaganda

          And yet no-one has so far suggested launching cruise missiles at Pyongyang.

          Of course, that might trigger a nasty reaction from others, while bombing Syria is just a nice safe bit of willy-waving PR. Principles? Not even sure the current crop of Westminister muppets know what the word means.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Propaganda

            "And yet no-one has so far suggested launching cruise missiles at Pyongyang.

            Of course, that might trigger a nasty reaction from others, while bombing Syria is just a nice safe bit of willy-waving PR. Principles? Not even sure the current crop of Westminister muppets know what the word means."

            So your solution to hypocrisy is to do nothing, ever? Big help.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Propaganda

              So your solution to hypocrisy is to do nothing, ever? Big help.

              I didn't propose any solution, merely observed the hypocrisy prevalent in government.

            2. Alan Brown Silver badge

              Re: Propaganda

              "Of course, that might trigger a nasty reaction from others,"

              The DPRK was a creation of the USSR. The Russians have lilttle interest in supporting therm anymore and the Chinese see them as an inherited embarassment (it'd be a loss of face to back off supporting them though, unless the Norks piss in their wheaties)

              Bombing 'em without having the chinese on board might well be ugly, but I suspect they'd be just as likely to heave a sigh of releif and turn off the oil pipline over the border.

            3. moiety

              Re: Propaganda @Robert Long 1

              "bombing Syria is just a nice safe bit of willy-waving PR"

              Both China and Russia have stated their vehement opposition to bombing Syria. Pissing them both off at the same time isn't what I'd call "safe".

              And hasn't Tony Blair been charged with war crimes yet? Because he damned well should be. The only reason anyone should listen to that fuck is so that you can take the diametrically opposed position in the reasonable certainty that you'll be right.

              1. elderlybloke
                Mushroom

                Re: Propaganda @Robert Long 1

                Blair hasn't been charged with War Crimes,for the same reason that Bush hasn't.

                Bush/USA can tell the World to get fucked because USA have things called Thermonuclear Weapons.

                Blair is their friend-Like Cameron.

                Just like when the British Empire was the big Bully- Might is Right.

                This last bit wont win me many friends!

          2. Suricou Raven

            Re: Propaganda

            Because we can classify NK as 'harmless to outsiders.' They can oppress their own people all they want, but they aren't a threat to us.

        4. Matt Bryant Silver badge
          FAIL

          Re: AC Re: Propaganda

          ".....272 MP's wanted to go to what would amount to war....." Not true. They were voting on a limited action predicated on UN confirmation of the use of chemical weapons, not a full-on war. There is a massive difference between the most likely action - cruise missile strikes - and a full war with an invasion force as used in Iraq or Afghanistan.

          BTW, before you accuse me of being a bloodthirsty warmonger, etc., only wanting war at any cost, I did not want the vote to succeed as I did not want to hand Dave or Obambi an open-ended remit. If we are to punish Assad then I want it to be (a) when we have comprehensive proof, and (b) clearly defined what we will do (such as target Assad's chem warfare units only and send the perpetrators to stand trial), and (c) not do anything that will allow the AQ-backed faction of the rebellion to gain an advantage. I see no gain for the Syrian people in striking down Assad simply to replace his administration with another failed Islamist state like Afghanistan became under the Taleban. Dave goofed on the wording of the motion, he pushed too hard.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: AC Propaganda@ Matt B

            I wouldn't accuse you of being bloodthirsty or a warmonger. Simply of being wrong.

            Even with the necessary evidence of the crime and who committed it, any attack will either be inconsequential in military terms (this being a dictator who holds other people's lives very cheaply), or it will alter the balance of the civil war, with unforseeable consequences. Nobody can claim that "unforseeable consequences" defend Western interests, and any attack will further encourage extremism on both sides, and victimhood amongst the wider Islamic communities.

            Given that Assad is (by Western moral standards) deranged, how will the West judge an attack to be sufficient to change his mind, without actively promoting the sort of rabble that comprise the Syrian opposition?

        5. Atonnis
          Trollface

          Re: Propaganda

          Not so much - in this country's politics you'll likely find that 50 wanted to go to war because they have shares in the arms companies, 50 wanted to go for the long-term investment opportunity of 'westernising' every shopping mall, etc, and the rest were probably told to vote that way by their political party and did as they were told, since they don't want to risk damaging their cushy, overpaid jobs.

      2. Quxy
        Unhappy

        Re: Propaganda

        Trust me, it's even more bizarre than reported. Like Jake, I have ties to DPRK, and the information that emerges quietly is stranger than what is published in the media. We all know that it's just a matter of time before it implodes dramatically; but everyone's question is how many innocent people that process will take with it.

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        2. Denarius Silver badge
          Meh

          Re: Propaganda

          I believe you. No doubt the usual shock, horror tabloids/pollies will burble on in denial when open access becomes possible. I remember the useful idiots who praised the hell on earth that was the USSR, not to mention those did not believe stories of atrocities in a closed SE Asian agrarian paradise where it was easy to die, because socialist states always get bad press. I worked with a guy who praised Pol Pots atrocities as cleaning up society. Never understood his attitude.

          Must be something about the insecurity of some people. The propensity to admire uncontrolled authority invested in the most egocentric paranoid types seems to be recurring. And there are still plenty of people who deny the documented atrocities of the last major European tribal war. BTW, how did the deceased Norks have the imagination to come up with their own grumble flick ?

        3. Turtle

          @ Quxy: Why I'm Skeptical.

          "Trust me, it's even more bizarre than reported."

          I have a pretty good idea of how bizarre things can get, really. But to believe this particular report, I, personally, need more than the news report on offer.

          The problems I have with the report are, firstly, that these people, who in the context of Nork society are in relatively privileged positions, would actually make a sex tape at all. It seems like kind of an overly-elaborate way of committing "group suicide by prison camp with the possibility of additional serious repercussions for families, friends, and colleagues". It just doesn't make sense.

          The second problem is the "public machine-gunning". I simply can't recall a similar case. If (and that's the proverbial *big* "if") the sex tape was actually made, there can be no way that the fat kid or his advisors would want to corroborate the fact officially, thereby revealing some of the, you know, decadent Western influences corrupting the country's artistic elite.

          Now if it were to turn out that they were shot for simply smuggling and dealing in pornography and Bibles, I would find that quite believable.

          So while I don't discount the possibility of the news story as reported being true, I am skeptical until further corroboration arrives.

          1. Quxy
            Unhappy

            Re: @ Quxy: Why I'm Skeptical.

            Yes, from my contact with Christians living in Dandong, I'm pretty sure that Hyon Song-wol and her colleagues were shot because of the Bibles. I seriously doubt if there's any pr0n involved at all.

            1. John 62

              Re: @ Quxy: Why I'm Skeptical.

              Indeed, tying Bibles with pr0n in this case is probably a ploy to discredit Christians as morally repugnant.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Propaganda

        I so hope you are right. But look at the Nazi death camps.

      4. Dr?

        Re: Propaganda

        Syria is an interesting comparison.

        How can a distinction made between reports of chemical weapons being used against civilians and reports of a mother being made to drown their new born child (along with a myriad other atrocities against the civilian population)?

        Each are as morally reprehensible as the other. Yet we will go to war in Syria and stand by idly in North Korea.

        1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
          Mushroom

          Re: Propaganda

          One has nukes, the other doesn't...

          1. Dr?
            Mushroom

            Re: Propaganda

            Ah yes, the nukes. Strapped onto missiles that can barely reach Japan. It's like me getting some AK-47 ammo to use with my slingshot.

            1. Cthonus
              Mushroom

              Re: Propaganda

              "Ah yes, the nukes. Strapped onto missiles that can barely reach Japan."

              I really don't see that "they can't hit us back" is a good enough justification for taking arms against NK.

              Do you really not care if they turn those weapons on countries they can hit in mindless retaliation?

              1. Dr?

                Re: Propaganda @cthonus

                That wouldn't be retaliation. It would be an unprovoked attack.

            2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

              Re: Propaganda

              North Korea do however have an enormous army (even if it is mostly crap) and an unfeasibly large number of artillery pieces and rockets aimed at Seoul. And may well be willing to kick off the big one if poked. Hence deterring North Korea from doing bad things is an interesting balancing act. Given that they may be bonkers enough to go off the deep end after minor provocation, even if that dooms their own regime.

              South Korea don't fancy their capital getting flattened. Which North Korea can do better with conventional weapons than their rubbishy nukes anyway.

              Whereas Assad is assumed to be rather more rational, and so a quick attack on his command and control stuff may persuade him that chemical weapons aren't worth the risk.

              It's a case of trying to apply the correct solutions, to difficult problems, in varying cases. So we didn't launch an attack on the Soviet Union, even though they were committing massive human rights abuses, because World War III didn't seem terribly appealing. Hence the Cold War, which was deemed to be the safest policy, stop Soviet military expansion and wait to see what happens.

              Unfortunately we also did nothing about Rwanda. And it took quite a long time to decide to bother to do anything about the break up of Yugoslavia. I'm not sure what force, and what casualty levels would have been required to deal with Rwanda, but in the case of Yugoslavia it was simply a case of relatively low casualty air-strikes and a large follow-on commitment of peace-keeping troops. So there was no good excuse for failing to save tens of thousands of lives by going in years earlier.

              in the case of Syria we seem to have made similar mistakes. Although I'm not sure the solution would have been so simple. Threatening to arm the rebels and targetted air-strikes to force Assad to negotiate might have worked in the early days, but there was no appetite to put peace-keeping troops on the ground, the rebels weren't organised like the Bosnians (who were able to form a working state), plus there were Al Qaeda leftovers in Syria that the government had allowed in to destabilise Iraq after the invasion (which Assad may feel was a mistake at this point), and Hizbollah right next door to cause more trouble. So with Russia taking the UN out of the picture I'd say there was little plausible solution available to the Syria crisis for the West - but a bit of applied military force might be quite persuasive to the regime to lock up the chemical weapons again.

              If the government collapses someone's going to have to go in and seize/destroy those - which won't be fun.

              1. Alan Brown Silver badge

                Re: Propaganda

                "North Korea do however have an enormous army (even if it is mostly crap) and an unfeasibly large number of artillery pieces and rockets aimed at Seoul."

                It's fairly well known that in the event of hostilities the first shot most Nork grunts would fire would be into the head of their commanding officers. Artillery can be pointed the other way too, so it's doubtful they have more than a couple of rounds apiece.

                I'd be extremely surprised to find that any of the weaponry the grunts are waving around actually contain bullets - and also surprised if their immediate superiors had enough to do more than shoot themselves in the head. It's a bit like Iraq in that respect - almost all the footsoldiers were conscripted Kurds who immediately dropped weapons and surrendered en masse(*) to the americans because they figured it couldn't be any worse than fighting them.

                (*) A lot more tried to than were able to. USAF planes strafed a lot of places full of soldiers attempting to surrender

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Propaganda

                  "USAF planes strafed a lot of places full of soldiers attempting to surrender"

                  And killed more British solidiers with their incompetence than the Iraqis did....

                  1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
                    Joke

                    Re: Propaganda

                    USAF => Usually Shooting At Friends

                    1. lglethal Silver badge
                      Go

                      Re: Propaganda @Dr?

                      There was a coment further up the comments asking for someone to name one time when an intervention actually accomplished good things. So here"s a short few that spring immediately to my mind:

                      East Timor - Pro Indonesian Militias (reportedly backed by Indonesian military), killing and maiming East Timorese for voting for independence, ended very quickly by Australian led UN force.

                      Solomon Islands - Intevention of Aussie and NZ troops has quelled decades of intertribal violence, and the government is finally moving forward

                      Korean War - Prevented the South from ending up as part of the North (if that wasnt a success I dont know what was)

                      Thats a start. So just because not all interventions work out how we want, doesnt mean that they all fail.

              2. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

                Re: Rational

                The disinterested declared goal for Syria of America, Britain, etc., is the removal of President Assad from his office, and maybe from life - I'm not sure how far our policy statements have gone. We do support a negotiated settlement, on the condition that he isn't in it. As a rational person, what should he do about that? What would you do in his place, if you aren't suicidal?

              3. sisk Silver badge

                Re: Propaganda

                I actually feel that the best thing to do in Syria is....er....nothing. Hear me out.

                On the one side we have Assad, a power hungry dictator who is hostile to the West and willing to resort to weapons of mass destruction and possibly even go as far as sponsoring terrorists. On the other side you have rebels with enough ties to Al Queida that US citizens have been tried for aiding the enemy for trying to help them overthrow Assad, and they may have used chemical weapons also.

                Basically no matter who wins that civil war, which doesn't involve either the US or the UK, we lose. I'm all for saving lives, but I can't think of a scenario involving intervention in Syria that accomplishes that goal long term. I can, however, think of some nightmare scenarios that become possible should we intervene.

                1. Turtle

                  @ sisk

                  "I actually feel that the best thing to do in Syria is....er....nothing."

                  I think that you might be right. From the (admittedly limited) amount of reading that I have done about the situation in Syria, I too tend to think that there may be no favorable outcome possible.

                  " I can, however, think of some nightmare scenarios that become possible should we intervene."

                  To be fair, "nightmare scenarios" might also occur even without our intervention.

              4. JeffyPoooh Silver badge
                Pint

                Re: Propaganda

                "...North Korea do however have an e_m_u army..."

                The "_nor_o_s" were just Photoshopped in.

            3. lglethal Silver badge
              Go

              Re: Propaganda

              Actually, one has the complete support of China (the Worlds second superpower), who has already demonstarted that they will step in on their side in order to avoid having a completely western inclined Korean pensinsula. And one has the tepid support from Russia (the World's third superpower) who is willling to throw hurdles in the way of any action but would not get involved to stop the action if it actually went ahead.

              Thats's a pretty big difference when it comes to making the choice of whether you can intervene in one or the other...

              On a side note, for those commentators talking about not trusting all of the reports coming out of North Korea, whilst its true we are only hearing from the defectors who have a natural bias against the North, you should not forget to look back at history. Whilst there was rumours of the atrocities of the Nazi Concentration Camps, the sheer horror of those camps only came to light after their liberation. Even the Germans living close by never realised how bad things were in the camps. So whilst believing everything you hear about the Nork labour camps may not be the right path, disregarding the stories completely is also not the right thing to do.

              1. Don Jefe
                Happy

                Re: Propaganda

                China is not considered a superpower. Some countries consider them a 'great power' but most countries nor the UN assign them even that status. They are still a developing nation with less global influence than either India or Brazil; global influence being what defines 'power level' of a country. Just sayin'...

              2. NomNomNom

                Re: Propaganda

                North Korea is a fun loving state with a rich past and many interesting attractions that all the family can enjoy. Walk around the streets Pyongyang, or perhaps take a segway, you'll be amazed at the carnival atmosphere in the capital. Military parades are common and don't be at all surprised if everyone around you suddenly breaks out into dancing. Flash dances are a common occurrence, feel free to join in! Tourists interested in the sciences will also enjoy the regular rocket launches and the host of new inventions which are being made daily.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Propaganda

                  "North Korea is a fun loving state with a rich past and many interesting attractions"

                  It's very nice!

            4. Identity
              Mushroom

              Re: Propaganda

              One doesn't need a missile. Watercraft will do, or (depending on the size of said device), a disguised traveler with one or more large packages...and sometimes, just the threat is enough.

            5. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Propaganda

              You don't understand, the nukes that Pyongyang has can easily reach Pyongyang. Do you really think he wouldn't if it came down to it? Given the amount of compassion he shows for the citizenry in general, I think the nukes are there for his own people as much as anyone else.

            6. Potemkine Silver badge

              Re: Propaganda

              You don't need a missile to deliver nukes. For instance,NK could use a small fishing boat, or even a standard ISO container routed through China. There may be already a NK nuke in Japan or in the USA somewhere waiting to be detonated.

            7. UnderTheBridge
              Big Brother

              Re: Propaganda

              "Ah yes, the nukes. Strapped onto missiles that can barely reach Japan. It's like me getting some AK-47 ammo to use with my slingshot."

              You don't understand, the nukes that Pyongyang has can easily reach Pyongyang!

              Do you really think he wouldn't if it came down to it? Given the amount of compassion he shows for the citizenry in general, I think the nukes are there for his own people as much as anyone else.

            8. GeorgeTuk

              Re: Propaganda

              Well if you are so sure then you can stand at the front and be first one in. They might not have them on ICBMs or even CBMs but doesn't mean they wouldn't use them in some capacity.

              Let's hope your confidence isn't misplaced eh?

        2. Dr?

          Re: Propaganda

          "Each are as morally reprehensible as the other. Yet we will go to war in Syria and stand by idly in North Korea."

          Correction: Yet we 'almost' go to war in Syria and stand by idly in North Korea.

        3. Bumpy Cat
          FAIL

          Re: Propaganda

          @Dr ?

          "We go to war in Syria, but stand idly by in North Korea".

          That's because we can actually intervene usefully in Syria (well, we could have), while China will stop any intervention in NK.

          Your argument is basically "we can't fix everything, so we should fix nothing".

          1. Dr?

            Re: Propaganda @Bumpy Cat

            I'm not saying that at all. I don't think that military intervention will fix a thing. Just because another power won't try stop us from intervening in Syria (which isn't quite true anyway because Russia will do their damnedest) doesn't mean that any intervention will be useful.

            I'm struggling to think of one useful intervention in a war since World War 2. Perhaps you can tell me otherwise?

            1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

              Re: Propaganda @Bumpy Cat

              I'm struggling to think of one useful intervention in a war since World War 2. Perhaps you can tell me otherwise?

              Dr?,

              Well let's see, off the top of my head I can think of:

              Korea, for starters. Didn't help the North, and was a bloody war, but the people of the South are probably extremely glad not to be starving at the moment. Given that the North lost an estimated 3-5 million in the 90s famine, that cancels out the war dead. Ignoring the ongoing deaths from famine and gulag.

              In Africa recently we have Sierra Leone (started by our general on the ground without Blair's permission). He decided he could win the war on his own with not much more than 2 battalions, when he was only there to evacuate foreigners. And did. Shows how little force you sometimes need. Recently we also have Mali. It may not be all over, but the rebels are in disarray and no longer threatening to take over the country. Libya is a bit more contentious I know, but if Ghadaffi had stormed Bengazi it would have been a bloodbath. To be honest, I'm not sure if his army was up to it, as it was a piss poor show compared with say the Syrians. Egypt had a decently trained army, and they ended up kicking their dictator our and taking over from him, so Ghadaffi wasn't risking that. But Libya had decent equipment, and so probably could have managed it. Libya isn't now perfect, but it was much less perfect before, and was also destabilising the whole region.

              On to the British empire. We have the Falklands. Killed just over 1,000 troops on both sides, from memory, about half the number of the population at the time. However it was undoubtedly moral to defend their freedom. And Argentina also benefited in the long run, in that the Junta collapsed. The Malaya emergency was a relatively low casualty campaign - although you might call it a colonial war rather than an intervention.

              The military intervention in Yugoslavia worked pretty well. And would have saved more lives if done earlier. Serbia were acting relatively rationally, so force, or a convincing threat of it, got them to negotiate. While the peace is by no means perfect, it's far better than the alternative.

              The no-fly zones in Iraq in the 90s saved (tens of?) thousands of lives, Kurds and Marsh Arabs. There's even a pretty good argument that the Iraq war cost fewer lives than Saddam would have if he was ruling. And when he died, or his sons took power and fucked everything up, there was going to be some kind of civil war anyway. Something that no Western intervention could stop. Rather like Syria. People talk about maintaining stability, as if these dictatorships are stable. Well in the short to medium term yes, but they do tend to build up massive tension in the system, which often leads to orgies of violence when the regimes inevitably collapse.

              Is that enough of a list for you? Obviously we have many unsuccessful examples too. But then there are also many appalling examples of what doing nothing can result in. See Rwanda, maybe Syria, Yugoslavia, Congo. There's a good argument that the Rwanda situation started the Congolese civil war too, so that's nearly a million dead in Rwanda, plus 5 or 6 in Congo - and counting.

        4. Daniel Thomas
          Mushroom

          Re: Propaganda

          Israel has no particular issue with North Korea.

          On the flip-side, the Israel Lobby in the U.S do have issue with Syria, Iran & Palestine (and in the past Iraq) to name but a few. And the Israel Lobby controls the hearts & minds of millions of voting Jews in the U.S.

          A long but interesting read. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Israel-Lobby-US-Foreign-Policy/dp/0141031239/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377862526&sr=1-2

        5. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

          Pictures or it didn't happen

          Sorry, but a "public" execution that we only know about because a dissident flees to another country to tell the tale isn't public. It might not be shown on TV but it would be announced. So it wasn't a public execution.

          You -can- make this stuff up, and it's safer and smarter than being there to see it happen.

      5. Matt Bryant Silver badge
        FAIL

        Re: LarsG Re: Propaganda

        "Lets be honest about this, an escapee tells all playing right into the hands of those that want to discredit a nutty regime, it's exactly what they want to hear..." Lars, you sound exactly like the kinds of blinkered socialists that refused to believe the Soviet Union was anything but a workers' paradise between the World Wars. Don't worry, far cleverer people than you convinced themselves that they were right and it was all "exaggerated capitalist propaganda". George Bernard Shaw was one who fell for a carefully staged trip to Russia in 1931, writing to then Manchester Guardian to proclaim that Soviet Russia was replete with joy (http://colley.co.uk/garethjones/soviet_articles/bernard_shaw.htm) at exactly the same time as the Soviets were using starvation as a weapon to subjugate the Ukraine, killing over a million unarmed civilians. He carried on insisting it was all lies (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433323/How-Shaw-defended-Stalins-mass-killings.html) long after other socilaists like Malcolm Muggeridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Muggeridge) had actually exposed the horrors Stalin was ordering. Stalin sent an untold number of people to the Gulags which the Nork camps are closely modeled on, and forcing one prisoner to kill or maim another was a common occurrence in the Gulags, so I do not find it a stretch that they would resort to such an act.

        1. LarsG
          Meh

          Re: LarsG Propaganda@Matt Bryant

          Me socialist!

          That made me smile.

          As to being a blinkered socialist, I served my time in the 'protection' of my country, and having been witness to several conflicts at the whim of politicians fancies I am glad I no longer have to be part of it.

  2. Voland's right hand Silver badge

    It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

    Minor correction.

    While other communist theocracies were at least trying to pretend that they are not theocracies, Nork does not even do that. One Kim reincarnating as another Kim to lead the nation to the glory of communism. Atheism my a***... This is something from the days of the pharaons waving the atheist banner.

    As far as Bible being a heinous crime... Well, what do you expect. "Other" religions are always a heinous crime in a theocracy.

    1. AceRimmer

      Re: It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

      Ah yes, the ongoing militant atheist propaganda that only the religious are capable of genocide

      ALL communist regimes have been aggressively anti-religion.

      Soviet Russia

      Post revolution Cuba

      Khmer Rouge

      PRoC

      1. Mike Richards Silver badge

        Re: It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

        All of those countries have or had a personality cult indistinguishable from religion - supreme leader - check; one true way - check; unquestioning obedience - check; us and them - check; persecution complex - checkity check.

        1. AceRimmer

          Re: It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

          Check this:

          http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/containing/1941518

      2. Voland's right hand Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

        Quote - "ALL communist regimes have been aggressively anti-religion."

        Almost correct. That is because they had an existing religion integrated into the state already so they were aggressively anti-other-religions.

        A lot of people in this thread quote the cult of personality as an example of the religion. It is not quite correct - it is the theocratic artefact of religion in the ex-Soviet States. The religion itself was what the Soviet States referred to as "communism". It was a state religion same as in ancient Egypt and other theocracies. Anyone questioning it and not believing it was dealt with swiftly once and for all.

        The Manifest is a wonderful piece of Utopia, but fundamentally there is nothing wrong with it. Das Kapital builds on it and while its first part makes sense, towards the 3rd it its total drivel, bollocks and unjustified conjectures. Lenin's scribblings on top of that are complete and utter bollocks (and uncomprehensible towards the end which is normal for someone with 3rd stage syphilis). I am not going to even characterise the "development" of these during the 70 years of soviet rules by paid philosophers. The only way to accept all of these as a fundament to society was to believe (usually in a very simplified "layman" form). Nobody in his sane mind would have accepted these rationally and logically.

        So rather unsurprisingly, 90%+ of signage, posters, slogans, etc in the ex-Soviet block were about belief or belief based. We believe in the Bright Future under Communism. We believe in the victory of the people. We believe... believe... believe... period. Whoever does not believe, the holy inquisition will deal with him (insert appropriate local name for it here).

        The personality cult was just a topup on that - the pharaon as a manifestation of the single state religion merged into the state in a theocracy. They were not the religion per se. The religion was "communism" (quotes intended as it has nothing to do with what Marx and Engels wrote in the Manifest). This religion treated all other religions the way all state religions usually do.

      3. Solmyr ibn Wali Barad

        Re: It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

        "Ah yes, the ongoing militant atheist propaganda that only the religious are capable of genocide

        ALL communist regimes have been aggressively anti-religion"

        Hmm. Not quite. Those are usually called "political religions". Wiki has an article about it.

        In essence, they are pseudoreligions - actively exploiting religious feelings, using rituals and symbols, but lacking a supernatural deity. Agression against other religions, pseudo or not, is a natural part of it.

        1. AceRimmer

          Re: It's not agressive atheist - it is an agresive theocracy

          it’s a wikipedia article and a disputed wikipedia article at that!

          What you have described there are the tricks that religions use but they are the tricks and propaganda that are used by many ideologies, marketing departments and oppressive regimes. To then call them a pseudoreligion is to twist the language to suit your purposes.

          Have a look at some of the “atheist” pages on facebook. The propogation of meme’s, the use of language (sky fairies, imaginary friends etc…), the ridiculing of anyone of faith or not in “the atheist gang” and spreading of lies and half-truths are all signs of religion.

          Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God. Just because you don’t happen to like a certain atheist political system does not mean it’s not atheist.

  3. Shannon Jacobs

    Cult of Personality

    That's how they refer to Stalin's religion. Odd coincidence of the day: I'm in the middle of Gorky Park, which heavily features the peculiarities of the Soviet Union, though some years after Stalin. In the recovery phase? However, I have some reservations since it seems the author (Martin Cruz Smith) doesn't actually speak any Russian. Notwithstanding questions about its historical or sociological accuracy, he does write well, and it's certainly been quite entertaining so far.

    1. Turtle

      @ Shannon Jacobs Re: Cult of Personality

      "That's how they refer to Stalin's religion. "

      Well not really. Stalin did not maintain his power via force of personality and charisma. He did it by controlling the bureaucracies - especially the ones that disposed of armed force (secret police, military, etc).

      It was called a "cult of personality" as an attempt to divert attention from the fact that Stalin was able to accumulate and unrestrainedly exercise virtually unlimited power because of the essentially totalitarian political structure of Soviet Union. Stalin's successors wanted to condemn Stalin's "errors" while changing the system as little as possible, the underlying idea being that the Party needed (or rather, wanted and intended to continue to have) such power, but could henceforth be trusted not to abuse it.

      1. CCCP
        Thumb Up

        Re: @ Shannon Jacobs Cult of Personality

        @ Turtle

        Agree. And the spell was only broken by the limited freedom of the press at the beginning of perestrojka. Suddenly the mirror the party had used for decades to confirm their beliefs and actions was showing something completely different. And the system imploded from within.

        Foreign media is a bitch, eh Kim?

    2. Joe Harrison Silver badge

      Re: Cult of Personality

      Gorky Park was a gripping and exciting read so I bought all his other books. Don't make the same mistake, they are no good.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Cult of Personality

        Gorky Park was a gripping and exciting read so I bought all his other books. Don't make the same mistake, they are no good.

        I thought "Wolves Eat Dogs" was good, and I quite enjoyed the second novel set on a factory ship, "Polar Star". The rest are cobblers though, particularly the most recent one that was more of a plotless novella than a proper novel.

    3. Fogcat

      Re: Cult of Personality

      When I first read that I thought you were actually posting from Gorky Park; they do have free public Wi-Fi in the park. Just on the other side of the main road from the park is the Fallen Monument sculpture parke

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Monument_Park

      That contains a lot of the old Soviet era statutes, Stalin with his nose broken off for example, very very interesting place.

      Stalin seems to have been removed from public places but Lenin is still pretty popular.

      (Yes I know this is getting well off the original topic)

  4. Frederic Bloggs
    FAIL

    Er... Who writes these headlines?

    Is this a reasonable way to go about reporting it? It just might be true and people may have died.

    Come on El Reg. We all like a joke and a laugh at the IT industry's expense, but is this a suitable case for this treatment?

    1. Richard Barrington

      Re: Er... Who writes these headlines?

      Agreed! Pretty poor taste, cancel my subscription etc...

      1. gazthejourno (Written by Reg staff)

        Re: Re: Er... Who writes these headlines?

        BAN THIS SICK FIL ... oh, wait.

    2. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Holmes

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides....

      It just might be true and people may have died

      People die all the time in horrible ways (quite often due to people trying to save them from dying in horrible ways through the expedient and narcissistic way of pushing buttons)

      So who you gonna sue? Better make a Monty Python sketch about this.

      1. mIRCat
        Coat

        Re: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides....

        Unfortunately all film making has been been put on hold until we can determine the cause of all the nudity.

        Draft, coat, door.

    3. MacGyver
      Trollface

      Re: Er... Who writes these headlines?

      Could have been worse:

      Portly Nork dork's Ex corked after being properly porked.

      It's a tragedy, ok, so what do you want to do about it? Invade? Nope, then who really cares. Who there can read this message board? Who is the victim? It's called "Dark Humor", and some of us enjoy dark humor, even if we know that we shouldn't.

  5. Number6

    Propaganda coup

    I read it as

    Kim Jong un-executes nork-baring ex...

    Bringing someone back from the dead is probably within the powers of a Supreme Leader.

    1. Don Jefe

      Re: Propaganda coup

      I did the same thing! I assumed DPRK had shown that the ex was in fact not dead.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Please don't make the link between being a communist state and being an atheist one.

    NK is not an atheist state, they just don't allow worship of any of the outside worlds' religions.

    The Kims ARE put forwards as Gods, to be worshipped and followed.

  7. Potemkine Silver badge
    Megaphone

    NK barbary

    NK concentration camps are similar to Dachau or Buchenwald, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea

    It lasts for 60 years, the World knows but doesn't care.

    Around two hundreds of thousands of people are locked in, enduring sufferings beyond imagination, and everyone looks away. Even nuking the entire country would be a blessing, a mercy killing, offering them a final end to the tortures they endure.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: NK barbary

      Even nuking the entire country would be a blessing, a mercy killing, offering them a final end to the tortures they endure.

      Jesus H. Christ, I am actually reading Mein Kampf?

  8. Evil Auditor Silver badge
    WTF?

    Nork Porn

    Who'd have thought such exists... Then again, what is the truth? Did they really tape themselves having sex? Did they read the bible?

    1. Don Jefe

      Re: Nork Porn

      Porn, aka public sexual exhibitionism, is a common denominator in the Human species. It exists everywhere, some places you have to look harder to find it, but it is there.

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Nork Porn

      I believe cheap DVD players make their way across the border from China. Having something like an unauthorised satellite receiver is liable to get you dead - or shipped off with your family to the gulags - which amounts to pretty much the same thing. But a DVD player can be used to watch imported Chinese films. Which is probably acceptable. I doubt anyone cares about porn, unless they're already after you for something.

      However there are also supposed to be news DVDs doing the rounds. It's obviously going to be a bit on the slow side, and I'd imagine more likely to be Chinese news than BBC (though who knows?). Which are very illegal, and again likely to get you shot or sent for re-education. I read a story a while back about the police turning off the power to areas, then searching house to house - and checking what DVDs had got stuck in peoples' players that they now couldn't remove. Don't know if that's true or not, and surely a bent bit of wire will get your DVD out if the power goes anyway.

      As Don Jefe says though, some people will get access to porn whatever the circumstances.

  9. Eddie Knopfler
    Coat

    Nobody's thought about poor Kim though...

    He's doing the same job as his Dad...

    Do you have any idea how fucking busy he is?

    Mines the one with the lyrics to "I'm So Ronery" in the pocket.

    1. Evil Auditor Silver badge

      Re: Nobody's thought about poor Kim though...

      ...fucking busy at looking at all those fucking things all year round. Poor guy.

  10. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    The real question is. . .

    Do they really have cameras in their personal possessions ? And tape duplicators ?

    And are there enough people over there with VCRs and TVs that can actually view said tapes ?

    In other news, one must remember that rulers since the beginning of time have been ordering the deaths of people who crossed them in ways that today would be considered perfectly barbaric next to an execution by firing squad.

    I'm reminded of the French Revolution, where some unlucky people were "interrogated" by forcing them to swallow a gallon of cow urine, then beating them on the stomach until it burst.

    I'd prefer a bullet or twenty any day.

    1. Evil Auditor Silver badge

      Re: The real question is. . .

      ...rulers since the beginning of time have been ordering the deaths of people who crossed them...

      How crude! Nowadays, we are civilized. We lock them away, revoke their passports, keep them randomly in custody for hours under dubious laws...

      1. Don Jefe

        Re: The real question is. . .

        I love how you got downvoted for your comment. It just illuminates how bad people are at recognizing their own cultures failures. People like to think their society is great and good, but it rarely is.

        It's all the same old shit, cultures just use a new vocabulary to describe what they are doing and that makes it better ( or at least makes them feel better about themselves).

  11. Tim Worstal

    If the story's true

    Then undoubtedly those tapes exist on a bit torrent somewhere.

    Might even be worth finding it.

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    1. Don Jefe

      Re: RE. Re. NK barbary

      The DPRK has a stunning weapons aimed at Seoul that they could cause far more damage with them, faster, than they can with any nuclear weapon they manage to cobble together. Even low yield 40's era weapons are really, really, really hard to make work.

      Artillery pieces though, they pretty much just work and DPRK has a whole lot of them and ammunition always about a 1/2 notch below assault level and they haven't used those. A nuclear attack by the DPRK would instantly involve every major power on Earth whereas a conventional attack would be unfortunate it probably wouldn't have China, Russia or Venezula involved. The DPRK leadership is nuts but not so nuts they want to lose the power and lifestyle they have by being divine beings.

  13. Mike Richards Silver badge

    Just an idea

    A similar policy might work on 'The Voice'.

  14. ColonelClaw

    Blimey

    That Kim Jong-un, what an absolute cunt he is, eh?

  15. Instinct46

    The Dark Ages

    While I understand guns weren't about in the dark ages, this reminds me of something I read about the dark ages.

    The only thing that makes sense, is that the ruling family have been inbreeding amongst themselves for so long that they've totally lost the plot. (Hence the comment title)

    I bet it was Kim himself that recorded them having sex, and has become jealous or something silly and decided he'd just have them killed.

    With the way the news feeds about this fellow are focused I wouldn't be surprised if his dead before long.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re. The real question is. . .

    Burning at the stake is worse.

    As far as barbaric punishments go, the worst I've heard of is the Brazen Bull.

    If you ask me, Kim Jong-un should be placed in one of his own missile casings, welded in and the container left out on a hot summer's day until he fries.

    Making sure to leave him a few water containers filled with light machine oil.

    AC/DC

  17. Ted Treen
    Big Brother

    Whilst I normally shrink from wishing harm to any individual, I hope that very soon Kim Jong Un follows his forebears by becoming Kim Jong Il

    then Kim Jong very ill

    then Kim Jong dead...

  18. William 11
    Mushroom

    real world joffery anyone? #GoT

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fact or fiction.

    They also rumoured that he had married her last year and made her army husband disappear.

    Its sort of like hearing some of the Apple marketing truth or fiction stories we keep getting.

    1. Nym
      Mushroom

      Re: Fact or fiction.

      I marketed an Apple once, or tried to; turned out the damned thing was rotten.

  20. Florida1920 Silver badge
    Big Brother

    Propaganda?

    If this story is only propaganda, it would be a huge propaganda coup for Kim to appear with her in public, at a concert perhaps. That would throw a pie in the face of Western media! Or at least officially deny the execution.

    Yet on DPRK's official news site, http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm, updated yesterday, there is no mention of her or the execution.

  21. Greg J Preece

    Not normally one to have a thin skin, and I'm certainly not offended, but El Reg, perhaps the flippant slang and such isn't appropriate when discussing the executions of innocent people by a tyrant.

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Compenasating for being small?

    Sounds like an undersized psychopath at work! Kim WAS the runt of the litter!

  23. Danto

    "...anti-church communist paradise that still worships its dead "Eternal President" Kim Il-sung" - HAHA!

    This new guy's no fun at all. I liked Kim Jong-il he was zany...he wore Elvis shades and Cuban heels!

  24. Baler Twine

    Capital Crime

    Maybe she failed to arouse the tiny dictator.

  25. MJI Silver badge

    Current dwarf

    The current Kim, best thing for him would be a present from a special forces sniper.

    With the Kims destroyed NORK will have a chance.

    As to Syria - I have no idea but helping rebels will get a lot of people killed.

  26. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    OTT maybe

    A firing squad - meh - but my jaw literally dropped when I read a *machine* *gun* firing squad. I mean, how dead do you want them? And the backing singers too! :O

  27. Turtle

    Machine Guns.

    "A firing squad - meh - but my jaw literally dropped when I read a *machine* *gun* firing squad. I mean, how dead do you want them?"

    The intention was (or "would be" if this entire incident actually occurred, which for me is not a certainty) to produce an effect in the audience, which was composed of friends, family, and colleagues of the condemned. Much more "instructive" that way.

    You can see some videos of wartime executions by firing squad on, if I correctly recall, the British Pathe site. Judging solely by those videos, execution by firing squad is not really very dramatic when the firing squad uses single-shot rifles. On the other hand, it would have to be more dramatic than those videos show, if solely because on the videos no blood is seen.

    However, I would imagine that, if the firing squad was armed with "machine guns" (probably assault rifles or submachine guns, as opposed to real, mounted, crew-served machine guns proper) then the firing squad, each member of which is firing a multi-round burst into the condemned, would produce a *much* greater effect - on the condemned and on the observers too.

    Of course it is possible that automatic weapons were used because the condemned were executed en masse, and not one by one.

    Recall, parenthetically, that Himmler once decided to watch a mass execution. He fainted. (I believe that that is a true story.)

  28. JustWondering
    Joke

    No wonder he's crazy

    How would you like to be the only fat kid in school?

  29. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    On Custer Last Stands ...... and Necessary Evil Sacrifice/Perfectly Good Deeds?

    Actually, 272 MPs voted for a motion that would have required a further vote prior to any military action. The opposition opposed (in part, no doubt, driven by guilt at having been taken in by Blair's 'dodgy dossier') and were joined by a sufficient number (many of whom wanted to give the PM a good kicking for personal reasons) to defeat the government motion.

    The world is more complex than your simplistic black and white view. … Chris Miller Posted Friday 30th August 2013 06:55 GMT

    Ah yes, Chris, quite so. Such precious prognostication and pretentious prevarication is the pretentious political puppets stock in trade and media circus soap staple feed to seed to the masses to create their fearless peer needs and fearful grand greeds …… great expectations and phantom worries.

    However …… such is the current astute active anonymous and autonomous running control in virtual intelligence situations today, and therefore surely destined and fated and feted to be ever growing more developed and engaging and overwhelming in all subsequent days a'dawning, that the powers that now be in Absolute Fabulous Fabless Command and Control of Cyber Centres have NEUKlearer Alternative Views with AIdDefinite Vision that both assures and ensures and shows with guaranteed irregular and unconventional transmissions that the wheels have fallen off the ye olde cowboy establishments global events rigging wagon train.

    And the new smarter public pirate and private renegade hordes of injuns are doing IT and sticking it large to dodgy crooked systems with minions as leading fork tongued men, Little Big Horn Style, with new hoards and stores of valuable information and intelligent ammunition .... weapons of mass distinction?

    And shared there as a question so that you may disagree, but what is, is, and cannot be denied or changed whenever perfectly true, no matter how one tries.

  30. Nym
    Trollface

    You know...

    That might work for reporters...

    [My apologies. I just had to.]

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