I'll be back
For more money.
Paramount has confirmed it will reboot the Terminator franchise with a fifth film, and the former California governor and Mr. Universe bodybuilder Arnold Schwarzenegger says he will be back in a starring role. "The studios want me to be in Terminator 5 and to star as the Terminator, which we start shooting in January," he told …
I'm kinda surprised the Governator/ Gropinator's outsized ego would let him, um, look like he used to be a world-class body builder (instead of prod him to continue to look like one). If I look half as good at his age, hallelujah, but I expected more from Ah-nold.
<-- why I pro'ly won't look half as good at his age. :)
I'm kinda surprised the Governator/ Gropinator's outsized ego would let him, um, look like he used to be a world-class body builder (instead of prod him to continue to look like one)
He's got the same problem I have - the muscles are still all there, they just have moved downwards :)
They have made a Batman and Spiderman film every year for the last 10 years.
They can't come up with an original plot and they can't come up with a modern business plan that doesn't criminalise their customers.
Beyond not bothering with this, i will download the torrent and not even watch that!!! Hopefully it will flop, but sadly i think there are too many people who are going to be pleased about this movie.
Friends in the industry claim it's due to the death of DVD.
To approve funding on a film you need guaranteed money upfront. DVD sales with a 50% (to the studio) margin were enough to cover the cost, cinema audience with 5% profit are really just advertising.
With no DVD on the spreadsheet the only upfront money is foreign sales. So Hollywood is green-lighting pictures on what they know will sell to Australian TV or S.E Asian theatres - which means familiar titles/franchises/stars
You friends telling lies. Hollywood spread lies.
DVD/Blu-Ray disc sales are sky high nowadays. Pirated copies on the 'net are not a large percentage as they want people to believe.
Amazon, Zavvi and all other distributors keep selling hundreds of millions of DVD and Blu-Ray discs each year.
You friends telling lies 2 - the prequel.
It's not like that just started doing rehash after rehash. Long before DVD was popular...
Rocky 5 came out in 1995,
Rambo III (1988)
Jaws 4: The Revenge (1987)
Police Academy 2: Their First Assignment (1985)
Even way back, Chuck Jones said that they were always dealing with the money men telling them "that was great, make another one just like it". The Road Runner was the end result.
Personally I quite enjoyed the reboots of Batman by Mr Nolan. I thought the darker undertones worked really well, and they were sufficiently far from the Kazam, Smash, Wallop of the old TV shows that I didn't once feel I was watching "yet another remake".
While I am waiting with anticipation for the new Star Wars movie, I suspect I will be disappointed simply because the Star Wars movies are effectively kids movies - always have been, always will be.
What I *would* like to see is have the aforementioned Mr Nolan reboot the whole Star Wars story for adults by making the Star Wars universe dark and grimy. Get rid of the muppets, and bring in the corruption, betrayal, and back stabbing you would really find during a revolution.
I salute you sir, Terminator 1 and 2 are FAR better than what followed. Which is sad because there was potential there, but they ended up trying to ride on the momentum of the first two films. Which is the problem highlighted by this article.
Same story with The Matrix sequels...riding on the momentum of the original story only makes a new film a fraction of what it could be.
Wow, a confusing topic.
T3 cheated on the story line, sure and all, but it was a bloody good movie, particularly in comparisom with the Matrix crapquels releasad around the same time.
Great use of miniatures?
Plot not brain-dead.
Great matte art?
... and so on.
TSalvation on the other hand, what a piece of shite. I walked out of the cinema well before the end, asked for my money back, not expecting and not receiving.
After some on-line disinfo, sat through the bits I'd walked out on at the cinema, confirmed that it was a prize turkey and a misuse of Mr. Bale.
Likely the same level of crap.
Personally, I thought even T2 was jumping the shark. OK, so they had some cool ideas for FX, but that doesn't excuse 'ignoring the whole premise of internally consistent time travel that they'd put hard work into developing in the first movie'.
I'm looking forward to seeing how they explain why cyborgs age.
And it's good news, because - I don't know about you, but I'm not greatly looking forward to robots that roam the streets destroying phonebooks and shooting women whose only real offence is some questionable fashion and lifestyle choices. But I am looking forward to robots designed to help the elderly, and what better poster boy for that cause than Arnie?
T2 may have been a good story with great special effects, but I'm of the same opinion I was with Highlander: There can be only one. The Cameron story as originally presented was a perfect time loops story: The evil enemy created itself when it went back in time and at the same time sealed its future doom. As such, they broke the story if you accept T2 as a sequel. In the same sense, I could enjoy hair boy's tv adventurers, but for me Duncan MacLeod lives in a parallel universe.
3 was very much a remake of 2 - mindless action and a few new bits. Nothing special but an OK dumb blockbuster.
4 was very different, they finally took the film into the world of the war against the machines, which personally I'd always wanted ever since seeing the clips of the robots in the first films.
But none of them were reboots, just sequels. A reboot suggests starting right at the beginning again in which case why have Arnie not some new hunk?
I swear someone spied on me, took all of my ideas and methods of dealing with 3 y/o's and made them into an Arnie movie.
I am 6ft 6.
The children love me.
The parents are scared of me.
I have a whistle (for outside use only)
I march the children to and from the bathroom etc......
HEY ARNIE!! I AM STILL WAITING FOR MY ROYALTY CHEQUE!!!!
How about something new and original like, well, a new and original idea, script and story?
It's all getting tiresome, especially when the original movie was designed as a one-off with a complete story sequence and ending, but is then a surprise hit and so the whole lot gets mangled to get a series out of it (looking at you here PotC). And how the hell can there be Independence Day 2?
And Arnie as a rebooted Terminator? From those photos, it's more a complete overhaul that'd be needed.
T2 was a brilliant film and T1 didn't shut the story at all... it's about time travel after all!
As for Independence Day... I'm with you on that. I loved the film because it didn't try to be too serious, but surely it's not enough of a classic to need a sequel after all these years?
Reese was quite explicit in T1. The Terminator jumped first. They seized the place just after he jumped. John sent him back then destroyed the machine because it had to work that way. If they left the machine working, if any other Skynet system found it, the whole thing would start all over again, only this time the humans wouldn't know an assassin was after Sarah.
"how the hell can there be Independence Day 2?"
One was too many; the original was an obnoxiously jingoistic piece of ra-ra-America toss.
The ability to laugh at its cliched Hollywood-cheese sentimentality and downright stupidity was let down by the fact that you knew it took itself seriously, as did its intended audience.
It was the sort of film where other countries get blown up mainly to illustrate what might happen to Our Beloved America (ra ra ra), but we're not *really* supposed to be bothered about those foreigners, especially since those guys are ineffectual ditherers and Only America Can Save The World. On the other hand, when The White House Is Destroyed, this is obviously meant to be a Big Deal. (An American Eagle cries a single, solitary tear, etc etc).
I hated it in its own right at the time, but it's been observed with hindsight that it reflected the mindset of the disaffected American right during Clinton's presidency and was a clear forerunner of Bush-era America's similarly arrogant, partisan and jingoistic mentality.
The original Independence Day came out around the mid-point of Clinton's presidency; the sequel is being discussed around the same point in (Democrat) Obama's presidency. Hmm.
The Terminator franchise gets more reboots than a PC running Windows ME. I actually quite liked the direction T4 went in (after quite rightly pretending T3 didn't exist) but if both of those storylines are being binned off, then that just seems a waste.
I actually want to see a storyline where we see the future war between the machines and the humans. But maybe the humans end up losing and no Hollywood exec's going to sign that off.
Oh my God, stop.
I was mystified by T4 - without the time-travel element (and there was bloody little in that movie), it's just another VFX-engorged post-apocalypse shoot-em-up. Do agree with the comment above that Arnie could have moved into T5 quite effectively.
If the film industry had been like this in the 1970s, the likes of All The President's Men, Klute, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Taxi Driver et al would have been 13-parters on HBO, AMC, Netflix etc - no chance whatsover of being made as movies.
I love films, and oddly enough I love visual effects, but I am tired of McBlockbusters.
Well, there was potential in T3 and T4. They were well made, and could have been just as good, but they didn't really move the story on.
T3 didn't offer anything significant to move the story along from T2, and T4 was mostly about Marcus Wright, who sacrifices himself for John Connor at the end, so again, nothing significant added to the story.
So long as they're produced to the standards of Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad I'd rather have them as TV miniseries anyway, The Matrix (there's a film that deserves a sequel), could have easily been stretched into an awesome 10 parter, basically any film that leaves you wanting to know more about the characters or setting has the potential for a quality miniseries.
There are some enjoyable reboots, I quite enjoyed the Judge Dredd and Conan ones.
The terminator series is just tired now though, there isnt really much more they can do with the story and Arnie is really looking past his best now.
I dont know why theres so much hate for t3 , I thought it was a solid action fick with one of the best endings ever (the best of course being the ending of ` the mist`, god I laughed so hard at that one).
What gets me is when I first saw t2 in the cinema, I was awed by the special effects in the nuke dream sequence. Watching it now, it really doesnt look that great, tis amazing how far cgi has advanced.
I enjoyed the Judge Dredd and Conan reboots as well, they properly captured the stories on which they're based.
Regarding there not being much more that can be done with a story, the JOB of writers/directors/producers, etc. They should be able to MAKE the story just like they did with the originals. That's why the originals are appreciated the way they are: for what they were, not what they are now.
Terminator 3 was very well made, but it didn't do anything more for the story than Terminator 2. It also feels like the makers knew that it would end up in that bunker so they just went through the motions.
The nuclear explosions sequence in T3 is matte painting.
One reason I thought it rather great was the relatively low reliance on CG.
The crew used *all* of the old techniques (with the possible exception of back projection) to great effect.
On that score, prolly not to be repeated any time soon.
.....MSM and Hollywood have either no self-awareness or no shame, just as long as the Michael Bay numbers continue to stack up.... Roll on Transformers Of The Caribbean-- 99... I guess....
"Terminator 5 is due to be released next June, in the same season as Independence Day 2, Pirates of the Caribbean 5 and Star Wars - Episode 7, and the situation is getting worse every year. Of the top 10 grossing US films in 2012, the top three were based on characters first created 50 or more years ago. "
you people are being very negative. so there rebooting another franchise big whoop who cares as long as the movie is good like all 3 of em. yes said it all 3 because they were all great i never really cared for the story. i mean its called terminator for a freaking reason people. its about a killer robot ether trying to kill or saving the main characters nothing else. t3 is the example that a movie like terminator doesn't need much story to be good they had that (killer robot returning). the only thing people really wanted was arnold's original terminator to go back to killing instead of savor. and that he fought a robo chick that got the best of arnold most the movie. making it look like robo love instead of some dude having a male slug-fest with guns. other then that point if you could look past that then the movie is great. by the way arnold looked great for t3 he was still kinda old for it. you do realize the terminator never takes off his clothes heck he never took off that dang sunglasses yet alone the leather jacket. all arnold has to do is get back into bodybuilding as in what he said he wants to do anyways. put on the leather jacket and sunglasses then BAM! the terminator is back! plus a reboot means new stories new ways to do things maybe we'll get that future movie we all want to see ya know where we see the future the teriminator comes from. and maybe just maybe they'll create a new terminator so arnold could finally put his original to rest at the end of t5 or 6 sometimes thats what a reboot is for. plus who IN THERE RIGHT MINDS! doesn't want to see a new set of terminator in HD. i do ill admit that :D
Nothlng worng with my spelling.
The icon should start with `very arcane' for this.
Seriously, negative opinions on T3 seem to be based on concensus reality rather than tne movie itself.
T1 was an lnstant cult ciassic, 2 and 3 were both enjoyable exploitations of that.
Hell, 3 even has a lovely tribute to the original Django, may well have been the real inspiration for the recent crappy remake.
"yes said it all 3 because they were all great i never really cared for the story"
Ok..so you never had any vauge interest in the premise, ideas and so any sense of distinction by quality in this field is lost on you. This is a bit like my attitude to golf.
The problem is hollywood seems to be increasingly hiring people like you to make the films.
"Terminator 5 is due to be released next June, in the same season as Independence Day 2, Pirates of the Caribbean 5 and Star Wars - Episode 7, and the situation is getting worse every year. Of the top 10 grossing US films in 2012, the top three were based on characters first created 50 or more years ago. The Avengers are the spring chickens at the head of the money list, starting in 1963, while James Bond's latest Skyfall character first flowed from Fleming's pen in 1953."
Very cathartic of the Reg to point-blank acknowledge this, because Hollywood and MSM appears to have zero-percent self-awareness.... Roll on Transformers Of The Caribbean..9... I guess....
Films like The Terminator introduced us to a new world: a struggle against a dystopian future before it happens.
It was an original story that was well made into a film.
A lot of 80s movies were like that, and that continued into the early 90s. But since then, action/sci-fi/fantasy movies have become mostly about special effects, CGI, and 3D. And relying on these instead of good stories well acted do not make movies good. It makes them forgettable.
So the direction needs to go in seems clear: hold writers and actors to a higher standard, and stop the gratuitous use of CGI and 3D, and things will hopefully get better...
Having failed to eliminate John Connor as a unborn infant, then as an adolescent, and then as a young adult and then during the war, SkyNet is determined to make John Connor's retirement increasingly uncomfortable.
SkyNet develops the T-3000 series of cloaking terminator, and sends the machine into the future. There it infiltrates the Connor household to continuously move John's car keys, drink his orange juice in the fridge, steal his Social Security checks out of the mailbox and delete telephone messages from his adoring children and grandchildren. Oh, and occasionally it throws baseballs through his front window.....
Please don't try reboot it, please don't try go back into the past and tell us how stuff happened before T1. Just do the franchise justice (T1/T2) [not T3/T4] and give it a noble finish, fight the war and defeat the human race or defeat Skynet but don't leave people hanging. It seems this franchise has become a joke and we will have to wait for the real life Rise of the Machines to get a conclusion.
This franchise is a Joke, stop trying to suck the life out of it and finish it.
I like ripping on Hollywood as much as the next commenter, but it's simply not true to insinuate that only sequels/reboots/etc. are being made. Check out a list of recent releases, and you'll see a hell of a lot of reasonably original work.
What is true is that it's the sequels/etc. that get the big budget release treatment, and actually get to run in a cinema near you for more than about two days. But that really says more about public taste than Hollywood.
In other words: it's our fault.
The terminators would automatically win. The advantage of the alien is purely biological. I cant imagine a face hugger having any hope with a machine. However the machines could use alien carcasses to make the machines. Before people mention the acid for blood it had no effect in AvP when the woman was handed weapons made from the dead alien.
Your imagination is too limited!
What about: The Predators, having realised that humans have defeated the Aliens, decide to go back in time and plant Aliens on earth long-before Ripley & Co with the intention of both providing hunting for themselves and also to prevent humans discovering sufficiently advanced technology to be able to fight back. Skynet, paradoxically realises this and has to send Terminators back to kill both Aliens and Predators in order to save humans in order that the timeline continue so it can be created by humans and then go on to try and exterminate them.
How about a story about some nice guy, working as a contractor and finding out about a dark, sinister conspiracy within the goverment to build up a evil network to spy and blackmail every single person on earth. Throw in a tired president that realizes that he could not realize any of his high dreams he once had and starts making deals with the devil to safe at least a token of his work, corrupt agents, that try to suppress the story by leaking their favorite peaces of evil banker phone cuts to create some distruction, an evil south american dictator that tries to use the good guy for his own agenda, corrupt and arrogant officials, senators, etc.
The hero has to be played by some "blank nice guy" actor, that makes identifying with him easy. To make up for it he needs some exotic female counterpart. A pole dancer for example. Start the story in some exotic place like Hong Kong and move it on to a sterile, depressing environment like an airport departure lounge.
What do you mean with the story has already been taken?
Live - stranger than fiction...
They can't. The Greeks used up all three of them way back before the Dark Ages. Everything since has been some combination of them with variations. Some more successful, others less so.
At least, that's what some literary-teacher type told me back in high school.
What's the significant difference between a TV and a film franchise? On television, series like Doctor Who run seemingly forever (okay, a rest now and again isn't a bad thing) and plenty of people seem to welcome it, despite the quality of the plot/continuity/acting varying wildly. By the comments here, you'd imagine that no film character should ever be permitted to return!
For the record I don't think the episodes after T2 were gripping, but I for one welcome another chance to see the T1000 on screen again - and maybe it'll be worth watching. And if you're worried about the plot, since it's likely to be wall-to-wall CGI, why not just overlay the dated stop motion from the original film with contemporary FX?
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