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Microsoft's Office 365 app is now available from Apple's iTunes store for iPhones, iPads and iPods. The cloud-powered, subscription-based software can be obtained if you're in the US: everyone else, including us Brits, will have to wait a while, though probably not for long. The productivity suite is pretty comprehensive, and …

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  1. Thomas 4
    IT Angle

    Ummm, hang on a sec

    I thought Apple got stroppy about people charging subscriptions and micropayments on stuff bought through the App Store? Has Office 365 found a way around it?

    1. Richard Wharram

      Re: Ummm, hang on a sec

      I think they'll be OK as long as there's no link (or hint of one) to how to subscribe.

      1. gc73

        Re: Ummm, hang on a sec

        That "Buy Now" button on the last screen is a big giveaway. App cops must have been asleep the day they approved that.

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          1. TheVogon Silver badge
            Mushroom

            Re: Ummm, hang on a sec

            Microsoft already gives anyone who resells Office 365 subscriptions a cut. However as far as I can see, Apple isn't sellings subscriptions, so will be geting zero money from this...

            nb - The app isn't "free" like on WIndows RT. This version ONLY works with a valid Office 365 subscription....

          2. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

            MS Office is not free on RT

            It is bundled. If you buy RT, you have to pay for MS Office as well. That is why RT is so expensive.

            1. TheVogon Silver badge
              Mushroom

              Re: MS Office is not free on RT

              RT is cheaper and more powerful than the equivalent size iPad - and still incudes Office as well...

    2. Mer Ner

      Re: Ummm, hang on a sec

      I would imagine the issue there was if the installed app handled transactions/micropayments for the developers rather than the App Store.

      Where as this (Office 365) is a subscription based service that is handled outside the App Store ecosystem (much like The Times or Spotify) with an app to access said service on iOS devices.

      1. Erroneous Howard

        Re: Ummm, hang on a sec

        And of course, bear in mind that this makes iOS devices more useful for the corporate crowd and thus less likely to have A.N.OTHER more corporate compatible device pushed upon them.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      The rules are there has to be no payup option Apple don't get a cut of

      My guess is unless you have an account it just shows you a login screen forever. No way is Microsoft letting Apple get any Office 365 subscription money.

      But seriously, what? Why no big launch? They can't seriously think keeping this quiet will save Windows 8, can they?

  2. Martin 47

    NSA not getting enough info then?

    1. Neil B
      Thumb Down

      @Martin 47 The NSA quips are getting really tedious. We get it.

      1. Martin 47

        Oh sorry, its been in the news for a week now clearly we should move on and talk about more important stuff.

        Talking of more important stuff have you heard that some bloke I have never heard of is going to be in the next big brother house? I know its, like, wow.

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        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: MS Office 365 and NSA

          If you think the NSA limits itself to US companies then you are mistaken. Go Google Echelon....

          And Microsofts Azure is inherently far more secure than an Open Stack environment.

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            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: MS Office 365 and NSA

              But Open Stack is inherrently Linux based - and therefore has an order of magnitude more security vulberabiities than the Windows equivalent....and it is far easier to discover new ones as the source code is available.

              And at least Microsoft dont let the NSA add criticial vulnerabilities to their OS like Open BSD did....

      3. hplasm Silver badge
        Big Brother

        Get used to it?

        No.

        NSA! NSA! NSA!

    2. GitMeMyShootinIrons

      Of course

      There are No Strings Attached.

  3. Richard Gadsden

    US only so far

    I'm sure Apple will put it in the UK store soon, though.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Macros.....

    VBA Macros / Linked spreadsheets all good?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Macros.....

      No, of course not. In short, you may as well use one of the free office suites, this is just the next in a long long of Microsoft failed products.

  5. Howard Hanek Bronze badge
    Joke

    Gives New Meaning to the Word Obscurity

    I can't wait to renew my contact lens prescription.

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

      Everyone seems to forget that when Balmer laughed at the iPhone, many other people were laughing at it as well. The first iPhone was a total joke, all flash case and no functionality. It didn't do half the things that bog standard European phones did, it didn't support mms, stereo bluetooth headsets, removable storage, only did GSM, didn't have GPS (IIRC), no front facing camera, no video recording, it didn't have even cut and paste.

      The first iPhone was a piss-poor phone which was rightly laughed at, the fact that it is a far more capable device today doesn't change the fact that it was obviously initially designed to test the marketplace to see if Apple loving hipsters would buy it. After it proved a moderate success, they started seriously developing it and arrived at the pretty good phone they've got today and expanded their market share out of Apple loving hipsters to be much broader.

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        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

          "nice try at rewriting history..."

          There was no App store on the first iPhone. You were only allowed Apps that Apple installed and allowed.

          1. t.est

            Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

            Nope your wrong even there, Apps on iPhone where always available, the SDK for iOS where not.

            But from start you could create apps based on html 5 and javascripts, still today you can store them down to your homescreen.

            So Apps on the first iPhone, where only meant to be done with web standards.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

              "But from start you could create apps based on html 5 and javascripts, still today you can store them down to your homescreen"

              So you were allowed to create webpages on you r own server and Apple let you bookmark them? Wow. That is not an App, you could call it a web app but it is different to an app that runs on the phone.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

          No Eadon, it wasn't revolutionary, that's what the adverts said, I wouldn't have thought you'd buy into that. The only engineers I knew who used the first iPhone were posers, it's possible to be both an engineer and a poser. Loads of other phones had "real" browsers and touch interfaces. The first iPhone was no game changer. Android again not very good to start with but has become far, far better. You also seem to suggest that iPhone and Android are contemporary? They're not. Google purchased Android and turned it into an iPhone wannabe, which has since (as mentioned) become much better.

          You are the one trying to re-write history to suit you anti-MS agenda. Odd that you didn't mention the glaringly obvious fact that MS had a really popular smartphone system before the launch of Apple and later Android and they've flushed their market share down the toilet.

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            1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

              Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

              > MS did not flush their market share down the toilet,

              Yes they did. First by announcing that there would be a new version of WM after 6 and then not delivering it but throwing in a belated 6.5 too late and too little.

              Then they killed off WM6 with a completely incompatible WP7. At that point many developers who had held on to a declining WM6 market gave up and went Android or iThing. Later, all the WP7 hardware and developers were obsoleted by yet another incompatible system: WP8.

              WM6 was primarily a corporate product. Businesses had built infra structure around it. WP7 killed all that off and attempted to move into consumer market so it lost its base of customers and tried for a market it couldn't win.

              They also lost developers and customers when they released and killed Kin - a device built for customers who couldn't afford it.

              1. h3

                Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

                People are still developing stuff on Windows CE 6 (I know a contractor who is working on such a project not by his choice by customers).

                People have hacked nearly all of WM6 back into WP7 need to mess around a bit but it is good enough to have most of sync centre working and run opera.

                I am not even sure whether I think most apps are better on Android/WP/iOS than the types of apps that were on Symbian / Palm OS / WM or it could be that it is just I cannot find any of the decent ones to do niche tasks whereas there is usually just one or two and they didn't have adware. They use multiple screens too much these days. I want everything I want on one screen in a way that is designed to be easy to read / use (Not that looks pretty - doubly so if making it look nice makes working out what you want to know more difficult which it almost always does when it small writing).

                The palm os version of the Electrist for example is much better than the Android app by the same guy. (Just the design is so much clearer ignoring that the Android one has much less functionality).

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            2. Jamie Jones Silver badge
              Meh

              Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

              "@AC 17:37 - why can't you choose a handle ffs?"

              I thought you had to be registered to post a comment - even if you elect to post anonymously, don't you need to be logged in as a valid user?

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                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

                  Careful there Eadon, you almost said shill and you know that's against the rules...

    2. Stephen Channell
      Facepalm

      Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

      Somebody seems to have forgotten that MS Office {Word, Excel} started on the Apple Mac, and was ported to Windows, and before that {Word, Multiplan} was available for Unix systems {Xenix; SVR4; SunOS}.. if doing what you’ve done for 30 years is HUMILIATING, then bring it on.. we could all do with some of that.

      Fact is an iPad with Office 365 will be considerable more expensive than a WinRT slab

      1. Wibble
        Mushroom

        Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

        > Fact is an iPad with Office 365 will be considerable more expensive than a WinRT slab

        I'd rather an iPad with stability, a proven track record and hundreds of thousands of applications to a version 1 Win RT doorstop any day.

        MS will probably scrap Win RT by this time next year.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

          Windows RT is a much more powerful and secure OS than the iPad offers. For instance full support for 400 million USB devices, and proper multitasking...

        2. TheVogon Silver badge
          Mushroom

          Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

          RT is a far more powerful OS than IOS - proper multitasking, far more secure, support for 400 million USB devices, etc, etc. Sure it might not have as many apps yet, but that will come...

      2. Daniel B.

        @Stephen Channell

        Oh, I've always known that ... I used the first Word versions on Mac, years before the Windows counterpart was ported. Though to be fair, sometime around 6.0 I think MS decided to backport the Windoze version back to the Mac. So the Mac version ended up having an ugly UI instead of the neat Mac-native one it had before.

        These days, it does seem to fit with OSX, and it has the added benefit of actually keeping the menus they excised on the Windows version.

      3. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

        @Stephen Channell

        Sorry, you are wrong about Word being on Mac first. I agree that Excel was on Mac first, but Word first appeared on Xenix (Multi-Tool Word), and was ported to DOS, UNIX and Mac.

        I used Word 2.0 for DOS back in 1984 or so, and I hated it then, and I still struggle now.

        1. Stephen Channell

          Re: @Stephen Channell

          Correct that "Word" started on Xenix, but winword started on the Apple Mac and was ported too Windows. WinWord & DOS Word didn't even share file-formats.

    3. GitMeMyShootinIrons

      Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

      Eadon's Anti-MS Jihad continues. This week he's a revisionist historian Apple fanboy.

      The first iPhone lacked 3G and an App Store. All it had was a nice interface - well designed, but not the revolution Apple would have you believe.

      Android was a wannabe iPhone clone on-the-cheap in the early days.

      Eadon fail (again). Yawn.

    4. Eponymous Cow Turd Silver badge
      WTF?

      @Eadon - Phone Market

      "And so now iPhone has the most profitable chunk of the phone market"

      Are you sure? Last stats I saw, iPhone had about 17% market share (compare that to Android's 75%)...there's a lot of profit in that extra 58%

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      2. t.est

        Re: @Eadon - Phone Market

        there's a lot of profit in that extra 58%

        Nope there isn't. Infact there is no profit left for any other than Apple and Samsung. HTC strugles and so does Nokia.

        There was just recently an report of that Samsung and Apple takes 101% of the profit in the market. Stupid way of calculating percentages, but anyway that shows that most of the other had no profits to show. And if there where any other phone maker that did profit, then the loss was so much greater for those who did not.

        If you want to read about ridiculous percentage calculations but still understand them just google: Samsung Apple 101%, or 103% if you want.

        Here is a similar report stating Apple and Samsung takes 97.8% of the profits.

        http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/15/apple-bagged-57-of-12-5b-in-smartphone-profits-in-q1-android-43-samsung-95-share-of-that-more-than-google/

        There is definitely not a lot of profits in those "58%" wherever you magically took that number. I assume you actually meant 8%

        1. Eponymous Cow Turd Silver badge
          WTF?

          Re: @Eadon - Phone Market

          "There is definitely not a lot of profits in those "58%" wherever you magically took that number. I assume you actually meant 8%"

          Magically, 75 - 17 = 58....so I meant 58, not 8

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: MS porting Office to iPhone - how HUMILIATING. Don't mention the NSA!!!

      Actually Windows Phone is now up to 8.4% share of the UK market and is growing rapidly....

  7. Neil Porter

    The more platforms their customers can access their docs from the better surely.

    I don't see Google being humiliated by allowing Google Maps and searches to be done from an Apple phone...

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      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: MS Humiliation

        @Eadon - You seem to not realise that office is and always has been available for Mac OS. Office 365 works well with Android via the browser and I believe there is a native app on the way, if it's not already here.

        The main reason that MS haven't released a Linux port for Office is that the amount of work involved would be totally disproportionate to the amount of desktop users who are a candidate to use it. That said, I find that I can access office documents in my SkyDrive on Windows, Mac OS and Linux, so maybe that's the tack their taking, get Linux users to use Office 365.

        1. MissingSecurity

          Re: MS Humiliation

          Not to try and give Eadon room to fire away, but honestly I'm with him on the whole office to Linux port. If they had one, I'd have no reason to install Windows. Most of my users (few who even struggle between XP to Win7) would actually find it simpler to have an Ubuntu or or Fedora where you basically mimicking a Mobile screen.

          Not the best screen for IT Administration (Not un-usable either), but for people can't fathom more than one way of doing things, it would be simple.

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          1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

            Re: MS Humiliation

            "But if you can port between Apple and MS systems, then it's not that much more work to port to Linux."

            Don't bet on it. I doubt there is a single codebase with a few #ifdef MAC lines here and there. If it was, they'd release for both platforms at roughly the same time with similar feature sets. I don't think they've ever done that. My guess is that it's two completely independent codebases. (Anyone know for sure and able to say?)

            1. P. Lee Silver badge
              Meh

              Re: MS Humiliation

              > My guess is that it's two completely independent codebases. (Anyone know for sure and able to say?

              More to the point, MS hobble's its non-Windows offerings. They will provide the basic functions in 365 but for "enterprise" features (wtb sarcasm tag) like visio, you'll need Windows.

              They just want to make sure you don't defect to a different office document format. Apple hardware costs and lack of Visio etc make sure it windows doesn't lose out in the enterprise. They will support BYOD, but make it slightly harder than you expected.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: MS Humiliation

            Microsoft has failed at the phone market before.

            My old HP IPAQ phone did all that the IPhone and IPod could do years before Apple even thought to nick the idea of a portable music player. (I've never understood why the IPAQ was never used as prior art as even the name is so similar , and it had rounded edges... ) Plus it had GPS, tomtom and skype, and (a crap version, though still better then IE of) Firefox.

            The only thing different about the the 1st IPHONE is that Apple are a hell of a lot better at selling stuff than MS.

            1. TheVogon Silver badge
              Mushroom

              Re: MS Humiliation

              Actually Windows Mobile had over 50% smartphone market share!

              1. Richard Plinston Silver badge

                Re: MS Humiliation

                > Actually Windows Mobile had over 50% smartphone market share!

                Not quite. The highest market share was in the US in 2006/7 and that was 42%. Rest of world was lower.

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: MS Humiliation

                  Nope - global share of the smartphone topped 50% at one point for Windows Mobile. You are talking about US market share, and as we all know, the US tends to lag behind in mobile technology....

                2. t.est

                  Re: MS Humiliation

                  And in the whole world Nokia had over 50%. So no Windows mobile never had such numbers.

        3. t.est

          Re: MS Humiliation

          And you don't seem to realise that the App they gave iOS is not office. It's an App to handle your Office 365. Heck they don't even make a iPad app.

          So yes Office 365 is available trough the web on any platform. And that's basically what MS made. So no there is Not any Office on the iphone/ipad there is Office 365.

          So in fact MS is giving just as much Office to both Linux/Android users as they are giving Apple users, and that is Office 365.

      2. TheVogon Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: MS Humiliation

        Surely Linux can run Office under WINE? Yet there is near zero Linux adoption. i.e. you are talking bollocks as usual.

    2. Eponymous Cow Turd Silver badge
      FAIL

      wibble

      "I don't see Google being humiliated by allowing Google Maps and searches to be done from an Apple phone"

      I think Apple's last attempt at a mapping application consumed all the available humiliation energy in the smartphone marketplace

  8. Alan Denman

    Strategic alliance

    It was always quite obvious the way things are heading.

    Three's a crowd and it ain't going to get any prettier from these older two.

  9. PaulW
    Thumb Up

    Well it seems to work...

    Just installed it and tested in on a few bits...

    - File shares to/from skydrive seem happy and relatively quick.

    - Excel formatting works okay - don't have any with macros/pivot tables to hand

    - Word document I tried it with (which has a nasty complex layout including some weird tables) came up cleanly - although I couldn't see an easy way to get to headers and footers.

    - My really large and stupidly complex Powerpoint file opened right - played correctly and also was editable which is really what I was most in it for

    Now for an ipad version so I can do it on something bigger than a 5" screen. If that works, Then I don't really need my work machine anymore running Windows as I can dump all the Microsoft files over to the iPad and use OtherOS to do the rest of the stuff.

    (Conditional thumbs up since it this really does work in the long run I can dump all but 1 windows machine in the house!)

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    Office for iPhone will destroy Nokia

    If I worked at a company that focuses on selling Windows Phones, I would be coming after Steve Ballmer with a chainsaw today.

    1. TheVogon Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Office for iPhone will destroy Nokia

      No you wouldnt. Nokias have a free version of Office. This is an Office 365 client that requires payment.

      Not to mention that Nokias dont break when you drop them, have a better, faster and more secure OS, better UI (That Apple copied in IOS7!) better Maps, NAV, Microphones, Camera, etc, etc....

  11. Dana W
    Trollface

    @Mendling Coming after Steve Ballmer with a chainsaw. Does it really NEED a reason?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I guess it depends on whether you want Microsoft to be a competently run company or not

      I'm sure Larry Ellison, Larry Page, Tim Cook, the PS4 team and the founders of Skype love him to bits. But unlike Nokia they don't depend on Microsoft for the future.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Now all I need.........

    Is a 22inch Ipad and I'm good to go for Office IOS.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's funny timing. Thought office-readiness was one of the main selling points for the Surface. Now, months after it's available, they put an iPhone version out? Sounds to me like the sales figures for Surface (Pro) and other Windows fondleslabs are way behind M$'s expectations.

    Like someone else reckoned earlier, I too think that the Surface will vanish from the stores (if it has ever arrived) by next year.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      iOS version, not just iPhone. No more beer for me tonight.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Microsoft have released an iPhone Office 365 client. Not Office for iPhone. Big difference...

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Seriously?

    Does anyone actually attempt to use Office on a mobile phone? How bizarre.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Seriously?

      I have asthma and my doctor has asked me to record my peak flow first thing in the morning and last thing at night. I have an excel spreadsheet for this and use my phone to update it. It's a classic use scenario, you don't need to do much or anything complicated, but it's at a time when digging out a laptop or using my desktop is incontinent, also if I'm away for the night I don't need to cart around a full sized laptop.

  15. Gil Grissum
    Pint

    Really?

    Trying to get iPhone users to pony up for an Office 365 subscription? I think not. I'm not buying an Office 365 subscription, EVER.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Really?

      But lots of the companies they work for will use Office 365....

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Really?

      Well they were stupid enough to pay the Apple tax. Sounds like a good punt to me....

  16. Christian Berger Silver badge

    There's one thing I need to applaud Microsoft for

    They somehow manage to make people believe "Office" "productivity" software is still relevant in a world of e-mail and Etherpad Lite.

    1. TheVogon Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: There's one thing I need to applaud Microsoft for

      You mean Office - with Outlook - the world's most popular email client? And wtf is 'Etherpad Lite'?

  17. Tom Chiverton 1

    OMG. That's fugly.

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