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The business IP telephone market has spent more than a decade trying to establish exactly how much intelligence the market wants in its telephones. The customer's answer has almost always been “less than the vendors want to sell us.” Anyone looking for an albino pachyderm can therefore point to the CPUs and APIs baked into IP …

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  1. Fazal Majid

    Yes

    Is “as dumb as possible” the best answer to the question “how smart should the office phone be?”

    Yes, because business phone UIs are terminally horrendous (I have a Polycom unit at my desk, that is blinking red, I have no idea why, nor can I be bothered about fixing the darn thing, even though I am a Telecoms engineer by training).

    Of course, the real answer, as any Millennial can tell you, is the best office phone is no phone, you should be using IM (or email for this old fogey) instead.

    1. Dazed and Confused Silver badge

      Re: Yes

      Of course, the real answer, as any Millennial can tell you, is the best office phone is no phone, you should be using IM (or email for this old fogey) instead.

      While "chat" is great for some things, its a really crap replacement for talking to people. The problem with chat is there is no natural synchronisation between the parties, making the conversation slow and stilted. When you talk to someone, they hear what you are saying as you say it. The words are often only a small part of what is being communicated you pick up on many nuances from the way they speak. Adding the occasional smiley doesn't provide the same experience, besides smilies are fully under the control of the typist (give or take the normal shit quality of peoples typing in chat session) while the way that emotions affect peoples voice gives a much truer indication of what they are feeling.

      Of course talking on the phone isn't as rich an experience as talking face to face.

      1. Paw Bokenfohr
        Thumb Up

        Re: Yes

        "Of course talking on the phone isn't as rich an experience as talking face to face."

        We have a mix of desk phones along with LifeSize ClearSea as a desktop video client with LifeSize video systems in meeting rooms. Works great - you can email for some things, call for others, and if you really want a proper conversation where you get full attention from someone, you use video.

        But you don't need the phone to be smart at all really.

      2. Pete 2 Silver badge

        Re: Yes

        > While "chat" is great for some things ...

        Chat does have some advantages: everything "said" is on the record - there's no denying what each person committed to. It is also useful for the timid and "quiet" people, who would not normally speak up in meetings - and conversely chat tends to moderate the loudmouthed git who dominates meetings. Also, it's great for people who don't share the same native language, or accents.

    2. samlebon23
      Headmaster

      Re: Yes

      "I have a Polycom unit at my desk, that is blinking red, I have no idea why

      Because your phone is connected to a microwave oven somewhere, and it's notifying you that your soup is warm an ready.

  2. DF118
    FAIL

    Our IP telephony hardware is a crock. Comms don't know (or care) how to set them up properly so half the features don't work, plus the interface is woeful; so even if the features weren't inactive you'd need a doctorate in deciphering anti-logcal icons to suss out what the buttons are supposed to do. Even programming speed dials requires the use of a cheat sheet for most folk.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Surely that's the point though?

      Half the 'features' on these phones are useless 'gadgetry' in the real world and will be used once or twice then forgotten?

      The 'wow' features I spent hours configuring for one client who insisted they'd make full use of the IP phone system were used at the demo, once or twice by the idiots who bought the system and then forgotten about by everyone.

      1. DF118
        Pint

        Indeed. We are however lacking core stuff like call logs.

        1. xyz
          FAIL

          @DF118

          Oh yeah...the call logs. They tell you everything you don't need to know and nothing you do need to know. Then there's the small matter of getting the data out of the things so that it means something to someone in business,

          Then there are the call cuts offs and call crashes for no apparent reason and no one who sold the bloody things can find out why either. They just retreat to their "data centre" and have a wa** whilst the business managers go apeshit on IT's ass (who didn't buy or spec the things in the first place). No, that's the fault of some twat in business who thought IP phones were good for his CV and legged it pronto shortly after they were bought. I'll stop now to get my blood pressure down.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Comms don't know (or care) how to set them up properly

      It's very different where I am.

      Our IP telephony is a crock. The IT people don't know (or care) how to set them up properly. We don't have any comms people to speak of. And if the network dies, or the mains dies, the whole shebang fails, not even a handful of fallback phones for the use of the thousand or so people on the site.

      Apparently it's called progress.

  3. Captain DaFt

    Sitting at the desk in the office, IM, e-mail, voip, and visual chat on the computer, a cellphone for when you're away from the desk. Office phones have become a bit redundant these days.

    *But*, a big, important looking phone covered with bells and whistles is still a status symbol among office types, even if it's rarely used.

    1. iansmithedi

      What's a desk phone

      A desk phone is a waste of space.

      A headset on my laptop gives me hands-free and VoiP calling, with IM and desktop sharing available when I need it too. The cell phone gets me when I'm elsewhere.

  4. Irony Deficient

    “how smart should the office phone be?”

    Richard, my 1958 Western Electric 500 D is as smart an office telephone as I need. It was manufactured for use in (and ownership by) a monopoly telephony service, so its defining characteristics are durability and ease of repair. If only my other office equipment had been built to such a standard!

  5. JaitcH
    Thumb Up

    We use a Mitel product - 3300

    My wife owns two 30-40 room hotels and I have a business employing just under 40 people. Previously we had used Skype for our hotels but since MS assumed ownership, and it's attendant loss of privacy, we moved to Mitel.

    All businesses are linked through a 3300 series switches. What attracted us to them is the lack of yet another desk hogging screen. Simple handsets with the essential minimal of buttons yet backed by a switch that allows us to take advantage of the latest switch features. Hotel guests don't need to learn yet another set of operating instructions.

    Although our two hotels are separated by hundreds of kilometres, guests are not aware their calls are being handled remotely at certain times of the day. As I was involved in the connection of the first Mitel switch interconnected to the switched public network in Canada, I have always been aware of the in-depth study of customer needs by Mitel which gives their products an edge.

    Our non-hotel office controls all it's calls, within and without office hours, and after hours calls are handled with a pre-programmed destination assignments which ar both landline and handset. We do not expect our salary staff to be available 24/7. Our systems can also handle English, Chinese and Vietnamese customers without operator intervention.

    So many of the new systems seem overly complex with far too many features that, like Word, most get ignored.

    1. Fuzz

      Re: We use a Mitel product - 3300

      The 40 people you employ, they don't happen to sell Mitel phone systems by any chance?

  6. I like noodles

    No Speaker required

    A speaker? At an average open-plan office desk? For meeting rooms maybe but not at your desk where a headset is of more benefit

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: No Speaker required

      Definitely .... used to be a time where our group were in an area next to another group who had a regular weekly phone conf with a team in India which they did at their desk via speakerphone. After a few weeks and "quiet" words through the management chain they started to use a meeting room instead. A year or so later I vistied our Indian office and was amazed by how quiet it was ... no-one talked in the open plan area ... until one afternoon I heard a familiar voice coming over a speaker phone and I experienced the Indian end of the weekly call!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: No Speaker required

        Actually, thinking about it, speaker phone is vital for our IP based phone system ... when you dial into a conferencing system and have to key in the conf number if you do it while using the handset the phone invariably sends the tones in a way where some of the digits get duplicated - if you do it on speakerphone mode then it works! So on reflection we definitely need speakerphone for about 5 secs when calling in to a conference call!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: a headset is of more benefit Re: No Speaker required

      A headset is only of more benefit if it's mostly folk elsewhere doing the talking. If the plonker five desks away from you is doing most of the talking, it doesn't really matter whether it's speakerphone or headset. He has to shout anyway (maybe other folks on the call are in Baltimore or Bangalore?).

  7. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Boffin

    Pick up handset, dial number, speak...

    And then put phone down.

    That's all it needs. Whatever is behind the scenes is immaterial to the user. Doesn't matter if it routes through Mars, as long as that basic functionality is present. Bells and/or whistles? No thanks.

    1. Tom 38 Silver badge

      Re: Pick up handset, dial number, speak...

      I disagree. Here's a short list of the things that I find extremely useful from our VOIP handsets and PBX, which is Asterisk iirc:

      1) a searchable directory of all internal users

      2) log in/out, so I can use any phone in the building

      3) being able to conference people in

      4) follow me, so I can easily work from any location*

      5) call logs

      6) do not disturb

      7) voicemail indicators and browsing

      8) easily hooked in to our video conferencing suites

      9) "internal users" now mean "anyone worldwide who works for us"

      * Like right now, I'm sat in my front room, but my home phone will ring. If I don't answer that, my mobile rings. And when I'm done for the day, changing a single flag on my profile stops anything coming to me.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Pick up handset, dial number, speak...

        My global corporate employers were doing 9 and a half out of 10 of those in Europe in the 1990s, without needing VoIP or any kind of posh handset. Just people with clue in charge of IT/telecom, who understood the value of productivity in the business. But sadly you can't always show productivity on a spreadsheet....

        The half is because they didn't have the integrated worldwide phonebook, it was a standalone app in which employees could update their own entries (subject to authentication etc).

        1. Tom 38 Silver badge
          WTF?

          Re: Pick up handset, dial number, speak...

          You had hot desking and call logs/directories on the handsets in the 90s without posh handsets? Clever.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Pick up handset, dial number, speak...

            "You had hot desking on the handsets in the 90s without posh handsets? "

            Yes we had hot desking in the 90s without posh phones, including transparent use of mobiles as an extension of the corporate phone system.

            "You had directories on the handsets in the 90s without posh handsets? "

            As I (thought I) said in the earlier reply, the global corporate phonebook was a separate standalone application running on the corporate desktop, not on the phone.

            Can't remember whose PABXs facilitated all this (would Meridian make any sense?), but it was pretty decent stuff and yes the people setting it up were clever. Even more impressive as some of it still seems to be considered advanced maybe 20 years later???

            Oh, and for those that mentioned cheap calls as an advantage of VoIP: cheap calls are something you get from your voice telecom provider when you look at alternatives to BT etc; you don't need VoIP just for cheap calls. Then again, Corporate Purchasing may like the feeling they get when BT tell them "as a valued customer, we've given you a 20% discount" (while still costing the company far more than the real competition).

  8. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

    In the pre-VoIP days, PABX manufacturers made their money from the line cards on their systems. (2K upwards for a card which was just a 32-channel 8KHz ADC ? WTF !) And if you wanted a phone which had a basic menu display (so you didn't have to remember cryptic codes to activate features) the digital line card cost even more. Then there was the price of the digital handsets themselves.

    Now, in the era of SIP VoIP, manufacturers realise that this revenue stream is under threat. You don't need specialist hardware to run a phone system, except maybe to interface to traditional telephoney (ISDN, POTS) All they're selling you is software (Especially the management side of it). So they need to lock you in to their ecossystem. "Of course you can use a third party SIP phone: But the license to configure it onto our system will cost twice the license for one of our phones (Which cost twice the price of your cheap SIP phone). Oh, you want us to talk real SIP, not our special version that only our products support...?"

    Telephoney manufacturers are in real danger of shooting themselves in the foot. A Windows/Android/iPhone smartphone (OK, not the most expensive ones) can be had for less then the higher end corporate VoIP handsets, does a darn sight more and gives the user the street cred of having a fancy smart phone rather than a bland corporate phone. Mobile companies are also offering quite interesting tariff deals now (free line rental and free calls between mobiles on your corporate contract) OK, so coverage can be a problem, I agree. But with a mobile, *you* have no infrastructure to support. (Unless you buy some pico/femto cells to boast coverage - and they just plug into your IP LAN, so just another dumb endpoint)

    But the bigger problem for PABX manufacturers is utilisation. People just don't seem to be using phones any more. Email, IM, Facebook/web & Skype are what a lot of people are using to communicate nowadays. If you're the Finance Director, and you walk around your building and see phones just gathering dust and not being used, you have to ask the tough question: Do we *need* an internal phone system ? It'll be a brave Finance Director who says "Let's not have a phone system" but I can see it happening in the future.

    I've worked with phone systems for 20+ years, on systems in size from 20 to 20K end points. I can see the writting on the wall for my profession.

  9. Buzzword
    Megaphone

    Just give us voice quality

    There are only two features that I demand from a modern phone, over and above it's 1950s equivalent:

    - Caller ID

    - HD voice

    Amazingly, many companies still don't bother sending out the true caller ID; at best you get the ID of the reception desk. In this day and age it's inexcusable.

    As for voice quality: In the last two companies I worked for, the phones themselves were perfectly capable of supporting HD voice, but the option hadn't been activated at the switchboard / server level. Why manufacturers don't enable it by default is beyond me. They're deliberately making their own products look bad.

    1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

      Re: Just give us voice quality

      As for voice quality: In the last two companies I worked for, the phones themselves were perfectly capable of supporting HD voice, but the option hadn't been activated at the switchboard / server level. Why manufacturers don't enable it by default is beyond me.

      The simple answer is perception. People expect phone calls to sound a particular way. If it doesn't, it's wrong. How do I know ? I switched on HD audio on a phone system I manage. The number of complaints we had from people saying the phones sounded "wrong" was amazing. It was almost enough for me to switch it off.

      The other issue, though, is transcoding. If your internal phones use the same CODEC as your PSTN provider (G.711) then there is never any transcoding to do, and your audio can just flow easily everywhere. If you have some devices supporting G.728 (or some other HD CODEC) and some only G.711, then either endpoints have to be capable of changing codec mid-call (e.g. if you perform a transfer) or some box in the middle somewhere transcoding between G.728 and G.711. Yes, I know, in theory it should work. But it doesn't. Trust me. Been there. Done that. Got the scars.

    2. Kevin Johnston

      Re: Just give us voice quality

      You will find that the decision to not send the full Caller ID is a deliberate policy decision and relates to having external people call through a defined route rather than direct to a desk. If the person at that desk chooses to hand out their direct number then that is fine but to be able to monitor call handling you want it coming through set routes.

      1. mmeier

        Re: Just give us voice quality

        Even more important if the company has a setup with 2 or 3 support layers. If Olav Officedrohne had the developers number than he would use that. After all Olav and his problems are IMPORTANT! as is Olav.

        Well, actually the PFY on 1st level support can handle them while still half-drugged from his trip to the Netherlands and that's where they end up since our caller-id system (and our error tracking system!) do NOT give developer numbers, email etc.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Internal use ...

    For internal use within our organization I find that they have two really nice uses:

    You get a nice human name for the caller ID, along with their digital business card so you know what team they work for. Hardly rocket science, but it's nice to have in an organization of a few thousand employees and you don't know everyone.

    We can now move desk simply by unplugging all of our crap from the network and plugging it in at the destination. Provided you plug the phone into the network socket with PoE support it all works, and your number migrates without the IT team doing anything. On the old analogue system desk moves were a real pain in the proverbial, especially when moving a whole team - often a few hours without phone, etc. Desk moves are now much more casual and less needing military co-ordination to make sure they run smoothly.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Internal use ...

      We have old Cisco IP phones and those are the only two features I have seen to make them "better" than the POTS they replaced:

      Caller ID (a name, not just number) + call history (handy for re-dial).

      The phone's ID/number moves with the phone, not the socket its plugged in to.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Internal use ...

        We have NEW Cisco phones. I think their real world acquisition cost is about $420. We use 2% of the features.

        Ten years ago I could get remote access to voice mail. No-one here can tell me how to do that. The Cisco manual doesn't mention it, probably because it has nothing to do with the handset. You could do the equivalent with the software handset, which I also wouldn't know how to use, but there is a simpler option: the Cisco gets forwarded to the mobile and forgotten.

        Make that 1%.

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  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And affordable CTI, Fuggedaboutdit

    In the early 90's I programmed a modem to dial numbers for me, drop out of circuit and let me talk to the person on the other end through my handset.

    You've got their phone number in your database, why can't you just point at it and get it dialed? Because it would either take an investment half the size of a bank bailout or a training course to teach someone how to plug in the board in the "approved" manner.

    My last go round with one of these was a system for an office in the Midlands whose phones were administered in Texas. It took 3 days to generate a password for the phone management system. The job that creates them (in SQL Server) was running on a user ID of a member of staff who had just left. User ID shut down, process dies (telling NO ONE) and once again MS has fucked me.

    Hard to believe this is the 2nd decade of the 21st century.

    And note this does lock you into an ecosystem. But it's Apples, not Nortel, Mitel, Cisco or anyone else.

    So nothing to worry about there, right?

    1. Adrian Harvey
      Go

      Re: And affordable CTI, Fuggedaboutdit

      Cisco have (or had, it's been 2 years now...) a TAPI driver for Windows. Install it, supply with your phone userID and password, and those modem dial commands now drive the VOIP phone.

      Then you can dial direct from Outlook, etc just as you describe. There was no extra licence over the one already there for the phone. There's a little clunkyness in places dud to pretending to be a modem, etc, but it was perfectly useable.

  13. localzuk

    Minimal features

    As far as I'm concerned, the phone should have a few basic features - ability to call, ability to receive calls, a phone book, caller ID display, and some indicators for key line status.

    That's about it. Everything else is cruft.

    Which is why we used simple phones here when we deployed Asterisk+FreePBX 6 years ago. Been running Grandstream GXP-2000s. Yes, they have an issue with gain being linked for mic and volume, but they work fine other than that.

    When we're due for a replacement in a couple of years, we'll probably look at Grandstream again.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Meh

    History....

    It seems to me that the issue was the old "convergence" chestnut. Comms/Telecoms people knew all about the weird, wonderful and most of all, unique, world of telephony with its specialist cards, cabling and who knows what else. It was proprietary heaven Then the world woke up and realised that telephony could be delivered similarly to general purpose computing and that it needn't be proprietary at all, leading to the possibilities of IP telephony. That led the telecoms world into the "discovery" of that their switches could function as general purpose servers, which they then invented in the image of their old proprietary model. No-one was going to fall for that one just as they were reaping the benefits of commoditisation. To be fair, some horror stories were also possible when general IT service delivery people tried to deliver the robustness of old pone switches, and made their own mistakes along the way.

    So to me, it's partly timing, partly an aspect of re-invention, resulting in over-marketing of shiny-thing-of-the-month. What people really wanted from a phone all along was a dial tone.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Dumb is fine

    A half decent conferencing system OTOH could save some businesses a small fortune. For this, IP is the way to go.

  16. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Just one feature

    I want a desk phone that can detect when nobody is at the desk, and won't ring ... incessantly ... until someone else gets up, disconnects the call and either unplugs the phone from it's socket (without telling the desk's absent occupant - anger ensues) or sticks it in a drawer.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Just one feature

      "I want a desk phone that can detect when nobody is at the desk, and won't ring ... incessantly "

      I believe that feature is called "competent people management" but it also needs to be combined with appropriate motivation (£££) for the wageslaves to ensure that their phones are forwarded to somewhere sensible when they leave their desk. In some cases, adequate training may also be a pre-requisite.

      Well, I can dream, can't I.

  17. Chris Miller

    I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. - Bjarne Stroustrup (1950- )

  18. RonWheeler

    Hotdesking

    Great when you can hotdesk and log on off the phone with your unique ID. Not so great when the CTI / presence software behind it is an antiquated pig and still has your username associated with yoru old phone's MAC address and needs a manual reset, despite the promises.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hotdesking

      Most of this company is hotdesked (although we're not). I've never been issued with a uid, although my name appears over the internal cli, so it must be somewhere. It's certainly not used as everyone is issued a mobile and people just mobex everything.

      The one good thing is if you're not in a hotdesked office then moving desks etc is a piece of piss because nobody has to dick around re-patching the extensions.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Dumb as but SIP for the future

    So my company has rolled out pretty dump IP phones across the UK recently. We can log in/out and hunt etc but the phones themselves are pretty basic and it makes sense. We're progressively rolling out a SIP service too which is highly integrated with our internal instant messaging client and internal employee directory. I can use the softphone on my laptop (even via VPN), use my mobile/cell phone when on the company's wifi, redirect to internal phones or my mobile/cell (using my internal short number).

    I was skeptical at first about the need for this whole setup but that was when I was a stationary developer - as a mobile consultant this makes so much more sense as I jump around our offices and those of our clients.

  20. P. Lee Silver badge

    What I really want is the company to host a business number and forward it to my mobile.

    Maybe a dual-sim phone with the corporate acting as a mobile telco...

    Add a cached local addressbook.

    Perhaps just a bluetooth link to PSTN, but I have the feeling I might accidentally walk out of range at a bad time.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I have an IP phone on my desk.

    It has a lot of buttons with indecipherable icons on them that don't seem to do anything when I get curious enough to press them.

    The most advanced feature I use is call forward, which old pabx's can do anyway; the inbuilt phonebook is handy too as I only phone a handful of people.

    I'd still be happy enough to have no phone, if only to stop arseholes who think it's acceptable to send an email and then immediately call you up.

    1. Andy Fletcher

      Re: I have an IP phone on my desk.

      Damn, I thought it was only my boss who rang and asked "did you get the e-mail I sent you".

  22. Wize

    IP phones are expensive

    Think about that expensive bit of gadgetry that is sitting on your desk. No,not the PC, i mean the phone.

    A simple analogue phone is cheep and easy to replace should the worst happen (like a stray coffee).

    Analogue phones can even be smart and show information such as caller ID (even names against internal extensions).

    But other phones cost a packet. Those big networked IP phones can cost over £400 and most of the extra features are never used.

    If you set up your office, you get a handful of phone lines, a hand full of numbers, a phone hub with enough ports to cover every desk and enough cheep phones to sit on even the unused desks.

    If you set up your system with IP phones, its almost the same, but you leave the empty desks phoneless as you don't want to shell out that much money at the very start of your venture.

    Smart desk phones a good investment? Not really in my book.

    1. Yet Another Commentard

      Re: IP phones are expensive

      I agree. I have an analogue 'phone, and I have never thought "I wish this could..." at any point. It transfers calls, forwards to any number (mobile for example), has a little voicemail notification light/button, does caller display, and has a reasonable address book. Sure I had to spend an hour setting up the address book and writing on a piece of paper who was on what key, hardly any downside.

      I think it has a speaker, but as another notes above it's not cricket to use such in an open plan office, and most of us drones are open plan these days.

      I think it's about 200 years old*, so as an investment it was pretty good.

      Sometimes less really is more.

      *hyperbole, obviously.

  23. Kubla Cant Silver badge

    Conferencing

    The last office I worked in used desktop-sharing software (Bridgit and something else) that integrated nicely with the desktop phones. You could join a conference on the computer and get it to call your phone, whereupon it would show who was dialled-in and who was talking.

    The audio quality was obviously too good, though, because most cofnerences were punctuated by the manager saying "Somebody's breathing into the phone - please mute it!".

    Of course the handsets were covered in buttons with no discernible function, but that's the way handsets always are. How many home phones have buttons that seem to assume everybody has a PABX?

  24. batfastad

    Presence

    The phone itself doesn't need to be anything special. Though on a previous project at a small biz I went ahead and got Snom 821s which are pretty great and the larger than normal display meant I could retrieve information from their intranet DB when a call came in and show it on the screen (company name, account status etc). They came in at about £160 which wasn't that much more than many dumber IP phones.

    But really the intelligence should be on the server-side and it's how you integrate it into the company. For example at this same site I made a natty little addon for Zimbra (zimlet) to display the output from a web service which took XMPP presence, merged with SIP extension status from Asterisk, allowing users to get a realtime view of who was online or busy. Great for users to use their XMPP presence almost as internal tweets (eg: "boarding the plane, back online at 2:30") and you could filter and scroll through that info from within the e-mail client and on the intranet. Overkill for this particular client but very cool nonetheless.

    That's the sort of thing that I'd like to see more of in larger companies but they tend to just buy expensive unified comms sytems from big vendors. You don't need clever phones but clever integration. That's where the big vendors make their money as integrating and aggregating data from open source communications software is still fairly painful.

    1. Christian Berger Silver badge

      Re: Presence

      Well snom does a particularly good job at integration. They have open interfaces which are deliberately simple. And they try to speak common protocols.

      For example they sell a "box with buttons" that's designed to work together with their VoIP phones, however it's an independent device which can also do HTTP requests when you push a button. That's just simple and elegant.

      I think those are the challenges we face, we need to develop a bunch of simple and obvious protocols for easier integration. And of course Video Telephony. :)

  25. John Tserkezis

    I'm a bit torn here.

    I have two gripes with IP phones, firstly cost, it might not seem like a big deal when you're dealing with enterprise, but when the Australian NBN finally kicks in and your only option for telephony is IP, it becomes a big deal.

    Secondly, features. Smart cell phones have had this cornered from the start, but why make it so hard to manage something like contact lists with desk phones? Is it REALLY that hard?

    But this is the bit that tears me, I really do want a functional desk phone, I prefer that, and it works better for me.

    However, an option with the NBN will be a box that plugs into the network and supplies IP functionality, with a regular POTS interface at the other end for compatibility with existing setups.

    And that's exactly what I think will overwhelmingly happen. People will get phones they really want: What they have now, which is the absolute minimim of processing power. Myself included.

    1. Christian Berger Silver badge

      Re: I'm a bit torn here.

      Well with most VoIP phones you can use a LDAP server which is perfectly fine for companies. I'm sure decent products will also allow you to use simpler ways, like text files and such. There are now even Android desk phones... if you prefer that.

      NGNs essentially try to give you all the disadvantages of a dedicated phone line with the disadvantages of a VoIP service. I don't quite see why I should spend money on that. I can get VoIP telephony from another company which then also means that I can keep my number no matter where I am in the world.

  26. Mike 16 Silver badge

    Chat, Power, and frog-boiling

    To the chap who extolls chat for its anti-weasel properties (logging what was said by whom), I note that a former coworker (still at the weasel-farm I left years ago) has informed me that they are now forbidden to log chats. Not surprising from a company that shunned email for coordination in favor of flaky wikis and meetings that reliably started 18 minutes after the scheduled time and consisted mainly of "Oh, did you expect me to do that? I'll get to it this week." repeated weekly.

    The pictured dock gave me shudders as it seems that all device manufacturers have taken up the position that Toshiba took in 2000, when I was shocked to be told, after the battery in a month-old laptop had failed, that it was my fault, as I was not meant to leave it on the adapter/charger once it was fully charged, and by doing so I had killed the battery. SInce I was familiar with IBM and Apple laptops that could be "docked" for days and still retain full capacity, I thought Toshiba were clueless feebs, but my most recent Apple laptop has the same sort of warning. I'd hate to think how often one would need to replace the battery in a docked iPad.

    Voice Quality? I pine for that days that a phone, while far from perfect, did not regularly sound as if the call to Dave in Accounting was via satellite to Ulan Bator. I wonder how bad voice quality will get once all us old farts who can remember those days have gone permanently on-hook.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    HMRC - what not to do

    If you want a case study on how to select an utterly crap handset and couple with stupidly burdensome policies then go visit HMRC.

    Some examples:

    - crap earpiece speaker - default volume so low it can only be heard in a quiet office; turn volume up and speaker starts clipping and caller still unintelligible

    - crap earpiece speaker design - pressing it more firmly against your ear doesn't actually cut out any more background noise

    - personal 03000 xxxxxx number requires logon - so visitors can't just sit at a spare desk and make a call - you have to lend them your phone and go sit at the spare desk yourself while they make the call

    - if you go to a different building and need to make a call (e.g. duck-out of a meeting to check some facts) you can't just pick-up the phone at the nearest free desk. Instead you have to log on first. (Which then means that your own desk phone is logged off so you have to log on *again* when you get back)

    - cord too short - so can't hold the phone by hunching-up your shoulder while writing notes - the springy cord pulls (launches!) it away

    - large LCD display but we still need number code sequences to get anything done

    - listening to voicemail is not a 'one button press' activity

    Did I mention that it is utterly crap? Did I mention that the launch publicity claimed it would be 'better'? Did I mention that complaints are ignored as it is too late to do anything?

  28. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    I suppose they could be worse.

    Remember the ones in "Brazil," with your own personal switchboard and patch cords?

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Smart phones for dumb users?

    We have about 50 employees at 4 sites, and use Shoretel phones and Software.

    And despite the fact that every single desktop runs the Shoreware client, so that you can call someone by typing their name into the client, HR still insists on e-mailing out a phone list every month that people print off and look-up the numbers whenever they want to call someone. Cut and paste a number from an e-mail into the ShoreTel client (or even right-click and dial if you have the right addons)? That's too much like magic for my users!

    Managing voicemail is much easier when you can see the list of 4 or 5 calls in your voice-mailbox, with the CallerID displayed, so that you can listen to the 3rd call in the list, without having to wade through the previous 2. But no, people still insist on dialling into their voicemail, and listening to the messages one by one.

    A few people have picked up on the fact that they can "pull" their own extension to another handset, if they need to work at another office.

    Most of these advantages come from smart infrastructure, rather than smart handsets, but it doesn't matter where the smarts are, if people won't take advantage of it.

  30. Refugee from Windows
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    Not clever enough

    Even as office phones go, the IP ones we were "upgraded" to a couple of year ago were less than appreciated. One missing feature is an adjustment for mic level, as it's always appallingly quiet and the noise cancelling facility does a good job in blocking everything else. Well placed piece of PVC tape solves this to a point.

    Not helping either is the connection to the Cloudy CRM that fails to provide any call information at all, or kills the whole screenful of information you've typed in during a call. We hope you're reading this S****force !

    I'd prefer a Heil Audio headset, so I could actually hear some callers, and a decent level of DSP (user adjustable) would help.

    Go get me two cans and a bit of string.

  31. Greg D
    FAIL

    desk.... phone....?

    Havent used one for some time now - Cisco IP Communicator has killed them in my office, along with USB headsets.

    Doubly awesome is that you can make calls anywhere as long as you have internet.

  32. Panicnow
    FAIL

    Android on the Desk

    We put the VOIP service straght to the employees mobile when they are in the office.

    Linphone or the native voip app does fine. Though there is an accasional unacceptable delay!

    With £90 androids, phones a 7in tabs, <£100. Why would anyone use anything else!!!!!

    1. Greg D

      Re: Android on the Desk

      Why bother with a secondary device? Unless of course you still have an analogue/PBX/non-IP phone system, you dont need any physical phone, just a laptop and the right software.

      Also if you have an occasional unacceptable delay on your IP phone, then your comms engineers are not doing their job properly and probably didnt put any QoS on your voice VLAN (or your LAN is straining under load, which is equally bad).

  33. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    IP Phone application

    That's the only feature I need, so that I can take calls on the laptop at home and it looks like I'm at my desk.

  34. Roland6 Silver badge

    Smart but not intelligent!

    The Shoretel Dock enhances the telecom's side of the smartphones persona, the question is whether it is as well presented and executed as Ubuntu for Android that took advantage of a smartphone's computer persona.

    So the dock needs to be smart in terms of its ability to leverage the value of a desk phone (handset/headset, keypad, location) and so enhance the smartphone experience and smart in the way it harnesses the intelligence contained in the smartphone to enrich the communications experience.

    I suspect that a key use case is that the reason the user is at a desk is because they need to use a desk based computer. Hence rather than having the smartphone just littering the desk why not provide a place for it to go and which would increase it's utility.

  35. Martijn Otto

    I don't really understand all this complaining about IP-phones. At work I set up a simple asterisk server (running on Debian) with a postgresql database backend for administration.

    When anybody calls, the number is matched against the database of customers. If found, the customer name will show up in the screen in addition to the number. Android cellphones integrate nicely with its native SIP stack, meaning calls can be forwarded to cellphones at no additional charge.

    Our home-grown CRM allows one to click a call button next to a customer name to call that person from your local phone. The phones were cheap, the PBX was free (it runs on a server already in use for other things).

  36. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    Great you've replaced proprietary telco lockin with Apple lockin.

    Yay. Let's hear it for freedom of choice.

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