Although it's an old site, are you quite sure it doesn't work with a current version of Firefox?
Of course, they should have designed it to work on Mosaic - then it would work on any browser, not using any special browser features.
Benefits claimants signing up for disability living allowance online are told they cannot use modern browsers, smartphones or even Macs. The Department for Work and Pensions' microsite - available at www.dwp.gov.uk/eservice - states that folks should use it for claiming attendance allowance, disability living allowance and …
Well at least it does work with some browsers over 10 years old. It's not difficult to design a web site which will work with any browser, though maybe Mosaic that doesn't even support tables would make things a bit difficult. For that matter does it do forms?
I fully support making it as hard as possible for these scroungers to claim their benefits.
Ideally all web applications should be required to be followed up with forms signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters
So I visit my Dr, who then tells me that I need to take 10 tablets a day fro the rest of my life if I want to stay 'healthy'. Or risk complications if I don't. I am signed off work. That makes me a scrounger? and I am to be denied any money of which I've been paying into the system for decades?
I hope you suffer a stroke, then you can join the roundabout that is the new benefit system. After 3 months with no cash maybe the state will pay for your funeral.
You sure, genuine question, who? Last time I looked into this no one had been prosecuted although many had been threatened.
Not sure how the law is now but the DDA never really mentioned websites, rather services, it was the rather open ended and websites were only talked about by the DRC and even then it was all about an undifined best practice.
Amd there was me trying renew my claim for disability living allowance on my brand new 15" retina MAcBook Pro with 16 GB RAM. I need all that extra memory so I can run IE6 on a Win XP virtual machine. And that reminds me. I have to renew insurance for the Mercedes SL Class Coupe I bought last year to attend occasional job interviews and impress metrosexual partners. You don't seriously expect me to catch a bus or cycle to the benefits office, do you?
I am sure there are a few bad'uns who have a lovely lifestyle by gaming the system, but most do not. Look at what an average claimant gets and see how far you'd get. Benefit is NOT generous. It is bloody tough. If you have a disability, it's doubly tough. That myth of the dole hog with a merc is just that -- a myth.
Because you might have bought your smartphone or iMac a while back but found yourself disabled, with a chronic illness or unemployed. I know it's hard to believe in the current Wirtschaftswunder, but people lose their jobs and are entitled to benefits.
I am on DLA and I don't own a car (never have, and don't believe I'll ever have enough money to get one and afford running costs), or a smartphone, or a computer with a retina display let alone a PC with 16GB ram. Benefits money does not make me rich or give me a life of luxury, it gives me just enough to live by, well 'exist'.
So shut the hell up you ignorant stereotypical Daily Fail 'reader' who is unable to determine their own conclusions from actually interacting with many people who genuinely claim DLA instead of regurgitating complete bollocks thrown around by people who feel hard done by that others who are incapable of working get a state benefit.
What's the problem? Surely no unemployed benefit claimant will have a new or modern computer anyway? They certainly can't afford the latest smartphones either. Don't they have to "make do and mend" and purchase from second hand shops?
I'm a self employed company director and all three computers in fornt of me at the moment are over 8 years old, as is the laser printer, and my phone is about 4 or 5 years old. I can't afford or need to replace any of those devices as they are all still perfectly functional.....
Read the article. This is not about unemployed benefit claimants, doleites scroungers or whatever derogatory label you might like to employ but is about Disability Living allowance, which can only be claimed if you have severe mobility problems or care requirements. I have not seen the website but the paper form was about 50 pages long. My wife received DLA for several months before her death last year. Dying many years before qualifying for a pension, in common with many DLA recipients, means that she saved HMG thousands of pounds so i find any implication of 'scrounging' etc pretty offensive
I find your language unhelpful here. "Dole Office" in particular. The benefits in question are disability and pension related, nothing to do with unemployment and dole, which makes up only 3% of the welfare budget anyway. At a time when government ministers and tabloid papers are going all out to spread propaganda against benefits you need to watch how you present them.
Furthermore, it is quite possible to have a nut allergy, but not an allergy to peanuts, which are actually legumes (like peas and beans, hence the name). If they are produced in a factory that also handles actual nuts, such as walnuts, then it is perfectly sensible for there to be a warning on the packet of peanuts stating it may contain nuts, so that nut allergy sufferers don't eat them and die.
So, the warning about nuts in peanut packets isn't about peanuts in peanut packets, which would be stupid, but only seems stupid because you are ignorant, and is actually there to save people's lives.
The site's from 2009...at least that's what the pop-up says when you hit the "Crown Copyright" link.
If you were to try and "Launch services and benefits online" with a modern browser (Chrome 26.0.1410.64 say) then a pop up would appear allowing you to claim services and benefits online.
I realise that's not the disaster we'd been banking on. Ah well.
No, I'm afraid I didn't.
I had the funny idea that "...I didn't mean to make a fraudulant claim but they said it didn't work on the reg and thought I'd test it" would be much of a defence.
But hey don't let me stop you, feel free.
They started noticing 'modern' browsers wouldn't work on the site back in 2006, yet haven't taken steps to resolve this. Well they technically they have, they've been telling everyone to use older browsers...
The reason it hasn't been updated is that the government doesn't want to spend the money to update the legacy applications that require IE6 functionality that isn't seamlessly supported in newer browsers.
All users will be eventually ported over to Universal Credit, so they don't see the value in spending money to update the old systems to cope.
It isn't a surprise to them. They've known about this for a VERY long time, but chose to do nothing about it, so expect this to continue until there are no claimants left for this service.
Rant incoming. Two reasons I find this new benefit scheme bullshit both related to disablility.
My Uncle, used to have lung cancer and heart problems, he couldn't leave his house, he pretty much lived on an oxygen mask. He was told he had to get a job or they'd cut his DLA completely. He couldn't even leave the house, they don't care. He died about two days later because of these problems, and yet they expected him to get a job.
A friend of mine, his mother has degenerative disk disease. She's had several disks in her spine effectively crumble to nothing, she's had her hips replaced twice, she's had her knee replaced, after the knee replacement she then spent several months on antibiotics because the hospital kicked her out without checking for infection. That infection nearly killed her. She cannot leave the house, she cannot walk, she cannot even get up the stairs without assistance. They want her to get a job, or they're cutting her disability... completely.
Absolute fucking bullshit.
Fuck the new disability scheme, and everything associated with it.
My wife works on the government Work Programme for just about the only reputable private firm involved with it. They have many people sent to them who were formerly on disability benefits but were then declared fit enough to work by Atos Origin. This includes someone with terminal cancer, another person with such bad breathing difficulties that they cannot climb the stairs in their own home and numerous others with severe mental health problems (manic depression, schizophrenia, etc). The people Atos employ have no medical qualifications, and are encouraged to get as many people off benefits as possible.
The job centre are no better, putting people into low paid work that leaves claimants financially worse off than on the dole, while "forgetting" to tell them what other benefits people can claim to make work worthwhile. In those cases, my wife and her team have to spend time sorting out the benefits such as assistance with travel costs rather than finding work for other claimants.
This service doesn’t work with some modern browsers and operating systems. Tell me more...
The service was designed to work with the following operating systems and browsers:
‘Browser v1’ on the NeXT computer.
The NeXT computer currently resides in a cabinet outside Sir Tim Berners-Lee’s old office at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (Cern) in Switzerland. I’m sure if you ask nicely they will let you use it. Please form an orderly queue.
Well some people are pretty ignorant and do not realise that Disability Living Allowance is the one that pays for crutches, incontinent pants, transport, mobility aides and other essentials disabled people need so that they can get to and from their jobs!
For those who don't know it was Incapacity Benefit that people who cannot work due to illness could claim. DLA is completely separate and also has a minuscule fraud rate. The people trying to use this dumb website could be doing so from their work computer during lunch, but obviously they are not civil servants 'cus they are actually using a modern browser unlike these dole office jokers!
Paris because she actually has made dubious claims in one shape or another!
Has anybody tried to add a note on the Self Assessment form?
You type happily away and then find out that carriage returns are not allowed.
So then try copy/paste into a text editor , strip out the CRs and paste back. Nope it won't work.
You are also not allowed to put "0" (zero) into any field but leave it blank instead.
Having not read the small print, I ended up putting random amounts into the boxes that were giving errors.
Who the hell wrote this crap?
The same idiot that wrote the bit that says to access Her Majesties Robbers and Crooks website via the Guberment Goatway, enter username and password, then it redirects you to the real Her Majesties Robbers and Crooks website where you have to enter, wait for, the same username and password.
% not allowed , so stops me entering 40% of this income is mine
- is not allowed, so stops me entering my address as 20-22 Main Street
£ not allows (WTF???), so stops me entering the first £500 is carried from last year.
( ) not allowed
: not allowed
; not allowed
Plus the fact that I have to try and remember a password I last used TWELVE MONTHS AGO! I've ended up doing my returns in August so I can do a paper submission.
Since any would be Claimant without a PC and connection to the Internet would be pointed in the direction of the local library where they can do these things for free.
Since the libraries I know are still running Windows 2000 and IE6, they shouldn't have a problem, right.
Did someone mention security ?
Didn't think so !
There have been discussions elsewhere between prospective users of the system.
Staff don't know how to use it,
For some people it could take a long time to find info they need but were not made aware of and that leads to time-outs - one wonders where it's actually timed out.
There is no 'save current position' so it's start again.
Many people the system is aimed at cannot use it, either through a disability with using a keyboard or, better still, those who are visually impaired are unable to use either of a pair of popular screen-readers.
Is this another bloody ATOS stitch up?
If you can use the system then you are disqualified anyway.
The head of IT was definitely asleep at the wheel. In fact, it almost looks like deliberate sabotage!
It takes a lot to be that far behind. Maybe this is one of those billion-pound IBM mainframe deals that only works on fixed configurations.
...using IE10 and I was told it wasn't a supported browser as it was too old. Curb the jokes people. Once I'd got on with FF and bought something, I was emailed, telling me that I'd have to wait 24 hours for the order to be approved. I phoned them up and laughed about it still being 1998 in Adobe land. You have to wonder WTF is going on with that bunch.
Anyway, back on topic, I'm surpised they didn't try to use an Active X control
Simple fix. Get rd of all the scripting that says
if browser.version < 6 then crash
if browser.name != iexplore then crash
if hostos != windows then crash
You should just bloody well serve the content and not care what is asking for the content. It's the USER who specifies what's going to happen to the content, *NOT* the author.
"Neither is the site compatible with smartphones - or any Internet Explorer installation more modern than version 6, released back in the heady days of 2001."
This is by design. They are seeing if you really need the assistance. If you are using a smartphone, then your priorities are messed up as you clearly have money to spend on fruitless items. The same can be said for a more modern PC.
I have an Alienware PC, it was bought for me, for my birthday two years ago, by my best friend, when my Thinkpad 570E finally died and was unrepairable.
So, by your logic, because I have a very good friend who spent a substantial chunk of his own savings, to bring my computer up to date, and even futureproof it somewhat, that disqualifies me from making any claims?
This is the same Department of Work and Pensions that have 18.104.22.168/8 (all 16777216 addresses in it) allocated for their use. Good to know that there are plenty of IPv4 addresses left for anyone who wants one and that organisations still living in the IT equivalent of the stone age aren't hoarding them.
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