back to article The gloves are on: Nokia emits super-sensitive £99 Windows Phone

Nokia's sub-£100 Lumia 520 has rolled out in the UK this week, alongside a keenly priced and attractive unibody sibling, the Lumia 720. Both were announced at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona in February. The Lumia 620 put a modern Nokia at a price point under £150, but now the slightly larger size has made it even cheaper. …

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  1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
    Coat

    Nice £100 phone

    All it needs now is for someone to port Android to it.

    1. Shagbag
      Thumb Up

      Re: Nice £100 phone

      My sentiments exactly.

      It's a really nice handset and the price is very attractive.

      The only thing preventing me from buying one is the OS.

      1. RyokuMas Silver badge
        IT Angle

        Re: Nice £100 phone

        "The only thing preventing me from buying one is the OS." - is that because it doesn't have/do something that you need - and if so, what?

        ... or just "because it's Microsoft"?

        1. sabroni Silver badge

          Re: Nice £100 phone

          Or is it because you've tried one and the back button behaviour was too mental for you?

        2. N13L5
          Pint

          Re: "or just "because it's Microsoft"?

          Microsoft would be a good enough reason if your memory goes any further back than a couple of months.

          What with their abortive product changes, they look like an out-of-control car playing ping-pong with the guide rails.

          Add them screwing all their Music customers who PURCHASED DRM music, by simply turning off their DRM servers after a few years without compensation.

          A company that pulls off a theft like that once, you know what their view on their customers is.

          As for the OS, for me, its enough that I can't customize it, cause Microsoft insists on forcing their garish tile look on me.

          I still think Elop is a trojan horse, responsible for the destruction of Nokia.

      2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

        Re: Nice £100 phone

        Win Pho seems to run on worse hardware then Android. The problem with cheaper 'Droids is that they're often sluggish and stuttery. That's been my experience. Whereas the Lumia 710 I had for a while did less, and was less flexible, but did most of it very well. Phone, contacts, email, messaging, navigation all good to great - browsing and search via Bing mediocre to OK. Apps were mostly dire. I was happy with that, as I'm not a big app user on phones.

        I don't think Windows Phone can compete too well at the top end. It's not rubbish, but apps are more important there, and the only things it's much better at are contact management and camera. But at the bottom end there aren't any iPhones and a lot of the 'Droids are disappointing.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Nice £100 phone

      Someone should tell Amazon, it's 165 quid on there :)

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Nice £100 phone

      "All it needs now is for someone to port Android to it."

      Windows Phone is a fast, stable, efficient and secure platform with zero malware. Installing Android would simultaneously defeat all of those accomplishments....

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Nice £100 phone

        "Windows Phone is a fast, stable, efficient and secure platform with zero malware"

        Yeah, but it's still ugly as feck.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Local opinion on these new Nokia's is that they're great phones, everyone seems surprised on how well Winpho 8 works on a Snapdragon, and speed and ease of use is universally lauded. In most USER reviews one of the most common phrases is 'I didn't expect'. What is however mentioned in nearly every case is that the battery charge does not perform anywhere near the numbers cited by Nokia.

    Let's hope Nokia finds a way claw themselves back from the abyss, preferably with some fine phones.

    1. Chris Parsons

      I recently moved from an HTC Desire Z to a Lumia 920 and the battery life is certainly better than it was on the HTC. If you're not big on apps - and I'm not - it's a great phone. Maps are superb, so is voice, internet, email, messaging...couldn't care less about anything else.

  3. Afflicted.John

    The 720 certainly looks like a good prospect. The problem is the Android competition; that is Nexus 4 territory for a device not terribly bigger. Or the Galaxy S III can be had for just as cheap on contract.

    But kudos to Nokia for getting a seemingly competitive handset to market.

    1. sabroni Silver badge

      just as cheap on contract

      hmm, I feel there may be a hidden extra cost here, can't quite put my finger on it....

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      That's got to be a bugger for anyone trying to sell a mid-market phone. The Google Nexus 4. Not nice to try to compete against that.

      I wonder if Google should do a low-end Nexus device, where there'd be a real benefit to the processor from not having to run crapware, trialware and operator/manufacturer skins? Say a £150 from one of the Chinese companies?

      That would properly screw Nokia and MS - assuming they aren't already...

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "The Lumia 620 has been well-received, and deservedly so"

    By whom? People buying them? They've been smart enough to keep their purchases off the sales figures somehow, then.

    Microsoft Windows Phone FAIL. (sorry Eadon)

    1. FlossyThePig
      Pint

      Re: "The Lumia 620 has been well-received, and deservedly so"

      I've got one, works well and not too large like Nexus 4 and all the rest.

      Has Google taken over the "spawn of the Devil" mantle from Microsoft?

      1. RyokuMas Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: "The Lumia 620 has been well-received, and deservedly so"

        Nah, evil comes in many flavours.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "The Lumia 620 has been well-received, and deservedly so"

      "They've been smart enough to keep their purchases off the sales figures somehow, then."

      ? Windows Phone sales have been steadily increasing. They already overtook Blackberry to be the 3rd OS in most of the world.

      1. TheVogon Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: "The Lumia 620 has been well-received, and deservedly so"

        "Windows Phone sales have been steadily increasing. They already overtook Blackberry to be the 3rd OS in most of the world."

        Yep - by miles: http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-phone-sales-see-global-gains-while-blackberry-falters

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "The Lumia 620 has been well-received, and deservedly so"

      By reviewers, you know, those people who are supposed to make their living quantifying how good something is.

      Most Fandroids on here have never even seen a Windows Phone in use, so they are just joining in with the mindless sheeple-like attacks on it.

      1. Chemist

        Re: "The Lumia 620 has been well-received, and deservedly so"

        "Yep - by miles: http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-phone-sales-see-global-gains-while-blackberry-falters"

        The main thing that table seems to show is how badly both Blackberry AND MS are doing

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    Very much a "no shit, Sherlock" moment

    It's been obvious for over a year that the world consists of three mobile markets - the US, Japan and everywhere else. The US is distorted by the de facto carrier cartel - for a supposedly business friendly country the US is very good at cartels that work against end users and new business entrants - which push expensive phones on expensive contracts. Japan is Japan. But everywhere else there is a more or less "normal" market with a range of everything from very cheap to Vertu. It isn't hard to see that in such a market, since the cost of features is now so low, even cheap phones will sell on features. And for the great majoity of people, cheap phones are more than good enough.

    Blackberry is trying to stay relevant with their 9320, and are believed to be trying to get out a midrange phone with their new OS. Apple is rumoured to be planning mid-range iPhones. But neither of them exactly has a reputation for underpricing their products. (Though the 9320 is better than some of Blackberry's more expensive offerings - a straw in the wind?)

    The difference is that both Nokia and Samsung have a reputation for doing cheap rather well.

    I guess that every night the directors of Nokia face East, fall to their knees, and implore God to make little Kim launch off everything he's got at South Korea.

    Nuke, because one well placed one would save Nokia.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Unhappy

      Re: Very much a "no shit, Sherlock" moment

      OK so I'm obviously very wrong about something - perhaps some of the people who downvoted would like to say why? I wasn't trolling, I just thought that the Reg might be somewhere you could put forward a point of view and, you know, have other people argue with it.

      If the "nuke" comment was in poor taste, say so.

    2. Armando 123

      Re: Very much a "no shit, Sherlock" moment

      "for a supposedly business friendly country the US is very good at cartels that work against end users and new business entrants "

      Because our lobbyists and politicians are very good at "plausible dediability" when cash flows and are very good at sneaking in items in important bills that no politician would dare vote against. There was a joke/rumor going around that the reason the relief for Hurricane Katrina took so long to be released was that they needed to figure out the path a new interstate in West Virginia first.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Very much a "no shit, Sherlock" moment

      "It's been obvious for over a year that the world consists of three mobile markets - the US, Japan and everywhere else"

      It is obvious that you are rather clueless then. Nokia were #1 manufacturer for years without even selling in the USA. The US and Japan are actually quite a small and insignificant mobile markets. Europe (500 million mobile subscribers), China, India, South America, rest of Asia are all much larger markets.

      1. JC_

        Re: Very much a "no shit, Sherlock" moment

        "The US and Japan are actually quite a small and insignificant mobile markets"

        Yeah, compared to Bhutan and Guyana, the #1 and #3 economies in the world are "insignificant" markets... You do know that 450 million very rich people live in those two countries, right?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why?

    I always find that using my nose works well enough that I don't have to take my gloves off.

    1. Simon Rockman

      Re: Why?

      Doing swipe with your nose might be possible but pinch?

      1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

        Re: Why?

        Pinch? Use your tongue as well.

        OK, that might look bad if its certain types of video you were watching...

  7. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Meh

    What were they waiting two years for...

    ... it's almost as if they've decided that it's better to make a loss on a sold cheap phone than it is to make a loss on an unsold middle-range or expensive phone.

    And do they actually have any designers left or have they decided to recycle the N9 forever?

    1. Schultz

      ... loss on a sold cheap phone

      With a large cash flow from their patent pool and another from MS, selling phones at a loss might be a sustainable business model.

      Business 2.0, now I can see you.

      1. mr_jrt
        Facepalm

        Re: ... loss on a sold cheap phone

        It's ok. They might lose money on every phone, but they'll make it up in volume! ;)

    2. Dave 15 Silver badge

      Re: What were they waiting two years for...

      Look back over the number of people they've got rid of in recent times.

      The answer is, no, they don't have any designers. So you get a fondle slab like every other company, nothing exciting, new or intelligent. What about those of us that like to use a phone while we walk? Can't do that with a damned touch screen. - I want buttons, those old fashioned things with good tactile feedback that worked!

      This isn't just a Nokia problem, all phone companies have got a single track mind with the single exception of Blackberry.

  8. BigGdog

    same old nokia

    OK fair enough Nokia are moving to a full range of phones on one platform but their choice of releases just looks like the Nokia of old with variations of previous handsets with slight variations of features. Any other manufacturer you can normally he safe in the knowledge that newer is better on a particular price range but Nokia just makes it difficult for their customers.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: same old nokia

      What customers?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: same old nokia

      Erm, Samsung? HTC? they're all the same. Slight variations.

      What you do is reduce costs gradually on each item to create a range. There will be someone who wants expandability, someone who wants the better camera, someone who wants the better screen. For the person who wants it all they go for a higher up phone.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Never Mind All This Lumia Fluff ...

    Where's the Nokia 301 Dual?

    Something useful, instead of more same-ol'-same-ol' tab-slab phones.....

  10. James Goddard

    Perfect phone

    I picked up a 520 last night from Carphone Warehouse (£99 unlocked) to replace broken Samsung Galaxy.

    Within 5 minutes I had 2 email accounts synced, Facebook integration sorted, contacts copied from old phone, Skype working. All without even a slight hitch, or speed issue. All the basics of a phone on the WP8 devices just work, seamlessly.

    I understand that the above experience is not for everyone, a number of my Friends won’t touch the device unless you can root it / install free apps / get it infested with Malware etc, but for the rest that just want a phone that just works, and works first time, it’s the perfect phone. And for £99, and thing more is just a waste.

    1. JDX Gold badge

      Re: Perfect phone

      Could you comment on how slick it is at switching between apps, loading web-pages, etc? I have the 610 and like it but it doesn't support Skype (too little memory) and can be slow - if the 520 is better than the 610 I'm very interested.

      Oh and also... does it work with iPlayer? Windows Phone 7 apparently does not but perhaps IE10 fixes that?

      1. Michael B.

        Re: Perfect phone

        I can't answer about the 520 ( I have an 920) , but regarding the iPlayer it's "coming soon" http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/posts/Microsoft_mobile

        but seeing the bad job the BBC have done at bringing the iPlayer to Android ( implementation and timescales ) as opposed to the slick IOS offerings I wouldn't hold my breath at it a. coming soon and b. being up to much more than just a streaming service.

      2. James Goddard

        Re: Perfect phone

        Performance is very quick, and unlike the 610 the 520 runs the vast majority of apps, and has full background service and live tile features.

        The app loading speed is not quite up to the 920 I also have (my work phone) but it’s not far off. A very rough speed test was 2 seconds to load the Facebook app on the 920 and 3 seconds on the 520. That’s probably due to the 920 having a 50% faster CPU.

        The app availability is a little sore point, but of my three most used apps I am missing, iplayer and Barclays banking have confirmed that are releasing shortly, just Runkeeper and I have all the apps I had on my Samsung.

        1. JDX Gold badge

          Re: Perfect phone

          Thanks a lot James, I appreciate that.

        2. Secretive Agent

          Re: Perfect phone

          If you're a fan of Runkeeper, Caledos Runner is worth checking out. Not quite as smart as Runkeeper on iOS and Android but it works well and integrates with Runkeeper.

    2. Pie

      Re: Perfect phone

      Check out the free games from Miniclip at the moment, and get AlphaJax as well...

    3. stanimir

      Re: Perfect phone

      James, you could have skipped malware slur infestation in that marketing rant.

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    1. Great Bu
      FAIL

      Re: Ugly Phones

      But Eadon, 'Anonymous Coward' already said this at 07:37 GMT on Thursday 11th April 2013.......

      You need to start setting your alarm a bit earlier to keep up with the competition.

      EADON FAIL

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ugly Phones

      Guess what, people have different tastes. That is why there isn't one type of clothing for every person on the planet, or would you dictate that to everyone?

      You really can't get it into your little mind that your own opinions and tastes aren't the same as everyone else's. Or is this the "open source" herd mentality? I thought you lot were all for choices.

    3. Dan 55 Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Ugly Phones

      And what's your opinion on the N9?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ugly Phones

      I'm starting to think maybe Eadon is a Microsoft plant.

      I'm hardly an MS fan normally - linux work & home PCs, was WebOS, now android phone and tablet.

      However, every time I read one of Eadon's posts I'm half tempted to buy a windows {something}, just because he's so irrational and annoying.

    5. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Ugly Phones

      Eadon,

      I think you can get them all in a matt black casing, rather than the pretty coloured ones. They're there to make the ads look pretty. And in black they just look like a.n.other touchscreen phone to me.

      The only 2 smartphone designs I've really liked were the iPhone 3GS, small with the metal curvy back, and the HTC Desire (and copies) with the metal casing where the bottom and back are coated in rubber. The HTC one doesn't look quite as snazzy, but is beautifully comfortable in the hand, and solid feeling. Everything else is just a rectangle with some glass at the front.

      Give me my old Motorola Razr V3 or even MicroTac (admittedly that one was rather chunky).

  12. Uwe Dippel
    Linux

    But ...

    does it run Linux??

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Please, tell us, Eadon...

    Was your family murdered by Steve Ballmer et al forcing you to go into full Steven Segal mode? Saying that "These are amongst the ugliest phones I've ever seen" means that you're either blind or trying to BS us all.

    Seriously, criticism of companies, products, OSs, whatever, is welcome as long as it's reasonably balanced and based on fact. Your visceral hatred for MS and related products just weakens your position. Please, get over it.

    1. Eddy Ito Silver badge

      Re: Please, tell us, Eadon...

      You can have his Seven Seagulls when you pry them from his cold anthropomorphically designed digital grippers! Or was that a different Segal movie?

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Good phones actually

    My 12 year old son has a Lumia 620 and he loves it. He could have got a cheap Android like most of his friends but he chose this instead. At the low end, WP8 is a good choice. The selection of apps smaller than iOS or Android, but it's getting there. I would wholeheartedly recommend WP8 to someone looking for a cheap smartphone.

    1. Schultz

      "At the low end, WP8 is a good choice."

      I am sure Nokia loves that statement. Didn't they just burn a platform to get out of the low end?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "At the low end, WP8 is a good choice."

        "Didn't they just burn a platform to get out of the low end?"

        Yes, but that was a crappy, already dying and very limited OS. A burning platform as Nokia famously said.

        With WP they have a product based on a unified kernel that scales from a couple of hundred MB of RAM and single core low power CPUs all the way up to hundreds of cores and many TB of RAM if ever required, and is more efficient and secure than rival platforms in doing so.

        To have a single platform and App store all the way across low end to high end, and then to share the same kernel with desktops, tablets and laptops obviously has many advantages...

        1. Vic

          Re: "At the low end, WP8 is a good choice."

          > that was a crappy, already dying and very limited OS. A burning platform as Nokia famously said.

          Didn't I read that it was out-selling their Windows Phone models?

          Vic.

  15. JDX Gold badge

    Removable battery, SD support, fancy touch-screen, AND NFC?

    Sounds like a bargain - maybe I'll upgrade my 610 sooner than I expected if El Reg would like to do a review of how the 520/620 stack up against the 'proper' Nokias? e.g. does it hang a lot or is it perfectly usable for web browsing?

  16. thesykes

    Hmmmm

    This is tempting. My current phone is Android, and I like Android. But,I've just thought about what I actually use it for, and, to be honest the OS is fairly irrelevant.

    A couple of games to kill time, email, calendar, make phone calls, check my bank balance and a bit of web browsing. All this can be done on WinPhone. My bank has an app on the Windows market, so, this ticks all the boxes.

    I find I use my phone far less now I have a tablet, so, a limited number of apps doesn't bother me. Seems all the ones I do use on my phone are available on Windows Phone.

    Oh, and less than £100 really appeals too.

  17. Maharg
    Meh

    Better then an N8?

    I have a Nokia N8, what is considered a dinosaur in terms of phones, being 3 years old, yet I am only now having to think about changing, due to many drunken gig related issues.

    So, why have I stuck with this phone? It’s odd but I see a phone as something to make phone calls and send texts, occasionally I look at Facebook etc but I really don’t feel the need to constantly be checking it, and the same with email I have a computer at work and a laptop at home, other than using them I spend my time either driving, eating, sleeping or choosing to not be at a computer, why would I need to use my phone for things I can do much better using items I already own? I have better things to do with a phone, like take pictures.

    The N8 has a great camera, that’s the reason I went for it in the first place, seeing as I can’t have an SLR on me all the time, I haven’t bought a new digital camera since owning the N8 as it is just as good, and I have been hard pushed to find a newer phone with a camera as good, let alone better. I have tried.

    So, dear Reg readers, any suggestions? I would like a phone that I can call people on, and it has a camera that is as better than my N8, (Not the 808 as its on Symbian, and I want to be able to use this for another couple of years, and please don’t say any type of iPhone, I am constantly told by people at work until I get them to compare a picture of the same thing, and watch them change to subject to how quickly the can get on facebook, the cameras suck)

    1. Dinky Carter

      Re: Better then an N8?

      Beware... when you move away from N8 as you'll be paying for your modern swish UI by saying goodbye to some wonderful features.

      I still use my N8 (alongside my Windows Phone for which I develop apps) because I love (in no particular order)

      * the amazing camera

      * the wonderful TRULY offline maps and navigation

      * the FM transmitter (it's great when pumping MP3s through my car's sound system... and the music is automatically lowered in volume while the above-mention nav is speaking to me)

      * being able to plug in a portable hard drive or memory stick via USB on the Go

      * being able to browse the file system

      * being able to Bluetooth almost any file (inc MP3s) from my phone my computer

      * the versatility of the clunky UI

      I do however like my Lumia, it's a nice piece of kit with a UI that makes iOS look like an old maid.

      But when I eventually retire my N8 I'm going to be nostalgic for pre-walled garden mobile computing.

    2. Dave 15 Silver badge

      Re: Better then an N8?

      What is wrong with the 808/ It has the phone calls, text, browser (for facebook etc), games etc etc etc and a camera that is better than any that anyone else has ever put on a smartphone. Not only is the camera superb but the microphones are as well... you really can go to one of your gigs and record it, come home and be able to recognise the sound and the band from the video - something no other phone will offer you. (yup its better even than your n8).

      Try one, they will last more than a few years (they're built like a proper Nokia). If you are feeling a bit risk averse then buy a couple of spare batteries - they are the only thing that eventually fails on all phones.

      Revel in being different to the herd :)

    3. Kristian Walsh Silver badge

      Re: Better then an N8?

      As another N8-owner, I know where you're coming from... Only Nokia and Apple make phones that are as well made, and neither of them can match the camera quality of the N8. I really do not like iOS or Apple's always-on over-saturated colour processing, so that leaves Nokia. I just wish they'd get their camera stuff fully ported to WP...

      None of the Androids have a good camera by N8 standards. The HTC One is closest, but it's not as good as N8. If you can take the drop in image quality, it's a nicely made phone, with enough features to keep you up to date for a couple of years. But, being Android, you will have to completely wipe and restore it at some point to recover lost performance. (It's a quick job, though). The Galaxy S 3 and 4 are mediocre as cameras, and the 3 flimsily built. Not a good combination for gigs.

      Right now, the (hard to get) 808 is the only thing that is better as a camera. It would also be faster, as it has a CPU that's nearly twice the speed of the N8's, and a better GPU. I considered it, but as you say, it's a lot to pay for a dead-end device.

      The 920 (and upcoming 928, most likely) is good in the dark, but it can't beat the N8 in well-lit scenes, although the optical stabilisation for video is exceptional (and the audio quality is also top-notch, if not quite as good as the 808's stunning audio capture).

      However, there is a new camera-centric WindowsPhone device rumoured to be coming this summer from Nokia, but no details about it have emerged yet. I'm waiting to see what that one is like: the 920 was close, but a little to big for me, and the 720 produces some stunning results for its price-range. In any case, the N8 will continue for another year...

    4. The_Regulator

      N8 Replacement

      Personally I would recommend the Lumia 920 as a replacement. It has a great camera, especially in low light, very fast and easy to use. I don't use a ton of apps but the ones I need are available either as official apps or ones created by good 3rd party devs. I know there are a lot more apps for iphone/android but tbh at some point in the very near future that gap is going to be closed enough where it can no longer be used as a selling point. Once that happens your then down to aesthetics, usability and performance which I believe windows phone does better than the competition having used all except the new bb10.

      Go try a WP8 for a couple of weeks and see, I think like many others who try it you will be surprised at how much you like it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: N8 Replacement

        FFS, the shills are pounding this thread so hard it's probably slowed the web to a crawl all across China.

  18. graeme leggett Silver badge

    O2 example

    out of curiosity, I had a look at O2s offers on this phone.

    24 Months cheapest is pay £60 and £11/month

    18 Months cheapest is pay nothing and £19/month - there's no option to have a lower tarriff cost and pay more for the phone, I guess you're expected to buy it outright - in fact you'd get more for less money (certainly in data) on buying the phone and spending £10/month pay-and-go.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Battery?

    When you say they reuse the same internals of the 620 for the 720, does that include the battery? Presumably using a small phone battery in a larger phone will have a higher battery drain. And from what I've read elsewhere these Nokia phones are already not the start performer in the battery department.

    Or don't people care about things like battery life anymore these days?

  20. Philippe
    FAIL

    Cheapest place is Tesco

    The Nokia 510 is available on Tesco Mobile for 80 pounds. Ok it's locked but Tesco Mobile is a decent network.

    Personally, I prefer to wait for the new Nokia Asha range. They will be even cheaper and built just as well.

    There are 130,000 on the Nokia S40 platform and the battery lasts for 5 days.

    Windows8phone has failed to get any traction in the market place (yes I know about Poland and Ukraine), and those devices are too little, too late, whatever the price of the handset, and/or the amount of advertising money and/or product placement they throw at it.

    Firefox OS will probably be the nail in MS Phone coffin.

    1. JDX Gold badge

      Re: Cheapest place is Tesco

      It seems shortsighted to say a market cannot turn around. How many years did Apple languish at 1% of the laptop market? How dominant were Sony for cool personal audio?

      As for FF OS... please, you're joking right?

      I saw quite a lot of modern Nokias in Finland too, and advertised in pride-of-place in shop windows. Not that this makes Nokia less of an also-ran, but there are probably more places where it's doing better than the UK. It's not to be underestimated how much things differ between countries so basing it on the UK/US is not accurate.

      1. Philippe

        Re: Cheapest place is Tesco

        I didn't say that Market couldn't be turned around, I said that WindowsPhone failed to do so.

        WindowsMobile always had far more marketshare than WindowsPhone ever reached.

        We're now into the third year of the platform and they're still at 2% marketshare worldwide with no instagram or BBC iPlayer app in sight.

        That's what is known as a failure.

        Regarding FirefoxOS, it is pushed by Operators as well as manufacturers, meaning it will succeed where others BB or WP have failed.

        The operators have no interest in pushing a platform which they can't control or modify, and developers don't want to learn new tools and language to develop Apps. (especially for one with 2% market share)

        Btw, your Apple Market share comment is totally irrelevant.

        One buys a computer every 5 years versus a 2 years upgrade cycle on phones.

        Besides there is no operator and or subsidize to consider when looking at PCs.

        1. thesykes

          Re: Cheapest place is Tesco

          " with no instagram ... app in sight."

          You say that like it's a bad thing.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Cheapest place is Tesco

          "We're now into the third year of the platform and they're still at 2% marketshare worldwide with no instagram or BBC iPlayer app in sight."

          See: http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-phone-sales-see-global-gains-while-blackberry-falters

          Windows Phone has 4.1% market share in the US, 6.7% in the UK.

          100% growth in 3 months is by most definitions a success.

          Iplayer is already announced - Instagram is about the only hold out now, and a third party app was released for that on WP this week..

          Developers don't have to learn new tools - they can use the most common IDE on the planet - Visual Studio....

          Since when have operators been able to customise iPhones or Blackberry devices? Those have sold plenty historically.

        3. JDX Gold badge

          @Philippe

          Btw, your Apple Market share comment is totally irrelevant.

          One buys a computer every 5 years versus a 2 years upgrade cycle on phones.

          Um, that makes it TOTALLY irrelevant? You buy a phone 3X as often as a PC, but the fact it took Apple DECADES to even get to 10% of the laptop market isn't relevant?

  21. garyc2011
    FAIL

    Ah noooooooooo

    I wish Nokia would end this fragmentation

    I was about to buy this phone but noticed it only has 512Mb RAM so it wont run temple run lol

    so thats a deal breaker for me

    I went onto Nokia's website to see their latest phones, and liked the Lumia 510, but then I saw it runs WP 7.8, which does not support WP8 apps

    In the end I gave up and went to the less fragmented Android and got a beautiful LG Nexus for, and at 239 quid, what a bargain !!!!!!!!

    Now I have a butter smooth phone and don't have to worry about missing apps :)

    1. JDX Gold badge

      Re: Ah noooooooooo

      How is android with 20 different OS versions and thousands of different hardware combinations less fragmented?

    2. graeme leggett Silver badge

      Re: Ah noooooooooo

      So £100 and take a hit on performance or pay £240 for those essential games.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ah noooooooooo

      For not much more than that money, you could have got a decent Samsung Ativ S handset (currently £277 on iBood) that doesn't run the FragmentDroid 4.1 'Malware Magnet' OS.....

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