Don't see how. Entirely different markets.
Google has developed a new touchscreen Chromebook that will be out this year, claim industry sources. It's the latest story to surface about a touch-driven netbook powered by Google's Chrome operating system, which is based on open-source Linux. A video leaked earlier this month appeared to be an advert for a touchscreen …
Chrome OS is not "tied to google services only" and the Surface to which this is a blow is probably the Surface with Windows RT, which cannot run all windows apps. But Windows RT has a browser, so can do all the stuff Chrome OS does (and much more). And unlike the Pixel it costs well under £1000.
Even the Surface Pro is likely to be cheaper than this by the looks of it. Given that the cheap Surface haters seem to have resorted to "it's too expensive" for the Pro version, despite the Chromebooks being competition, this does provide a marketing boost to the Surface Pro (as well as the help from raising awareness of touchscreen PCs in general).
(Personally I'm not likely to buy either of these devices, but still think it's good to see competition and choice.)
Of course it's an OS feature! Making sure there is a little image there to let people know they can get to a list of programs and save them from the terror of having to press Windows Key & Q at the same time is just as important as process scheduling & memory management ;)
"you can name something Win7 has as an OS feature and Win8 doesn't"
A single. well integrated user environment. Win8 has two poorly integrated environments.
Seriously, The GUI formerly known as Metro is a PITA in ideal conditions, and an undescriptable horror if your machine lacks a touchscreen.
@Mephistro - really? really?
I've been using it on a multi-monitor no touchscreen dev box since November. It annoyed me for a week but that's long in the past. It's fine. Taste not being arguable, etc, I can't make an absolute statement. Your milage obviously varies. I'm actually more familiar with it than with Win7 now.
However, "undescriptable horror" would be well into the realms of rampant exaggeration even if you disliked it and, less feasibly, if there was such a word as "undescriptable".
Do remember the time where men where real mean, women were real women, and techies were real techies?
Well, anyway, somewhen around that Microsoft released Vista to almost universal derision, almost as there never failed to be someone in the thread saying how great it was.
> No, it's a UI element.
For the majority of people with W8, its just as compulsory to use as the memory allocation manager and the DMA subsystem.
The W8 desktop OS is there to support the GUI console system. It still isn't designed to be multi-user or used independently of the GUI.
Unless there has been progress I've completely missed!
If you just use Ninite to install the essentials on your new Win 7 machine (Codec packs, several browsers, Foxit reader, WMP Classic, whatever you poison is) you'll notice that Classic Startmenu is there- that's right: adding a start menu to Win 8 literally takes one extra tick-box.
Similarly, Win 8 can be made to skip the 'Metro' interface entirely. I imagine that most people here do some faffing around with an OS after installing it, so why all the fuss about a start menu?
Eadon - yes i can just imagine him sitting on the "Tech Guys" benches, ignoring the customers ringing on the phone, surfing The Reg all day, praying 5 times a day that Linux will actually sell something on the desktop.
(Maybe I mixed up that last part with the cheap imports they employ...)
Thing about Windows 8 is it has added enough useful stuff :
Improved Multimonitor Support
Much improved task manager.
It feels like an upgrade to Windows 7
The only metro app I really use is the Mail client (Supports Exchange Activesync (back to the version google uses). The pdf viewer is reasonable as well. (Bit annoying I cannot use IE at all if I have Firefox as default browser (For such as Internet Banking I would use it).
You don't really have to use Metro at all 99% of the time.
Hit Windows Key and type (Same as Windows 7 to launch apps).
And the old school shortcuts (alt-tab / alt f4 / windows + r etc etc all still work (Along with WIndows + x which gives you most of the rest of what you might want (Admin stuff pretty much - control panel computer management command prompt etc). On Windows 7 you are better off using the shortcuts anyway.
Only one? Hardly. Handy how you relegated the Office wars to "Next we will have", Eadon. Instead of saying that they won. And Chromebook is Google competing on the desktop now is it? So it's going to compete with tablets, desktops and presumably laptops? That means it's a potential trouble for Linux too then.
Back soon, throwing all my stuff away so I can replace it with a Chromebook.
Browser wars - still running. IE still ahead, but performing a tactical rear-guard retreat
Search wars - Google vs MSN / Bing - Google Won. Actually, yes they did.
Console wars - no clear winners here yet.
Mobile phone wars - Apple opened a new western front, progress halted, and now it's a trench war. Ongoing.
Tablet wars - Apple invaded Poland, took over most of Europe, and now Google is gradually getting it's shit together for a counter attack.
Server Wars - Stuck in a trench war, with Linux holding territorial advantage.
Cloud Wars - The data security equivalent of global thermo-nuclear war. Nobody wins.
Desktop Wars - Microsoft controls all of western Europe airspace, but their new dual-role 109's are no match for the new Spitfires, Mosquitos and Mustangs from Linux, Google and Apple. Fronts are being eroded.
Office suit wars: Microsoft controls all of western Europe, but their Panzer tank is now too heavy, too slow, and the driver controls overly complicated. The easier to use and lighter, faster Shermans and Churchhills of LO/OO and - I can't believe I'm saying this - iworks are making advances.
You are correct - only one war was won - but it was Google's search war.
Browser wars - Firefox vs IE ?? No it wasn't, it was IE vs Netscape and IE won by such a margin they're still dealing with anti-trust suits. IE is still the dominant browser, by a decreasing margin.
Search wars - Google vs Bing ?? No, again, it was Google vs Alta Vista (if anything).
Console wars - Nintendo won, due to changing the game. MS and Sony are both runners up to them.
Mobile phone wars - Arguably Google are the current winners, but given the Win Pho "push" is less than 6 months old that's hardly a revelation.
Server wars - which one? Mainframe, midrange, file etc. Most companies have a mixture of OSs at server level, depending on what they want to do on it.
Cloud wars - are you kidding me? No-one has won, the "cloud" has been touted as a panacea for decades and every time it gets side-lined for very good reasons.
Desktop wars - No mention of OSX? You know, the second most widely used desktop operating system?
Office suite - no war, businesses will continue to use Office. We may see a move by home users to Oo, LO, Google docs, but that's a drop in the ocean compared to the corporate users.
If you want to come up with an argument, at least make it hold some water.
Console wars - Microsoft are currently winning here. Sony and Nintendo are both making a loss. Microsoft is making a healthy profit.
Mobile phone wars - Microsoft are 3rd but are fastest growing. Who knows....
Server wars - Microsoft are currently wining with over 50% market share and still growing.
Office Wars - Microsoft is currently the leader by miles
Desktop Wars - Microsoft is currently the leader by miles.
Cloud Wars - Amazon Winning, Azure and others still climbing.
A few small improvements to "Shome Correcktions":
Console wars - Very open at the moment. Valve/Steam are about to eat your lunch. Who needs stinking middle men anyway?
Mobile phone wars - After YEARS of trying, Microsoft is STILL nowhere... with Tizer, Ubuntu and Mozilla all about to land WinPhone's bargain basement "featurephone" microcosm might be about to be whipped out from under it. Bless.
Server wars - Microsoft is still trying and still impressively stagnant. Nginx is where the action is.
Office Wars - Microsoft has spent the last decade sitting on its fat arse tinkering with its lock-in while myriad interesting innovative projects have sprung up... Who knows...
Desktop Wars - Microsoft is clinging to a rapidly diminishing sector. Wonder how that'll work out for you.
Cloud Wars - Amazon & (FL)OSS won, Windows Azure just accidentally flushed itself. Again.
Did Bill Gates personally come to your house and butcher your dog in front of your kids?
Define winning. Here's one - if MS "won" all these "wars", the antitrust cases against them would have led the American govt and the European Union to break the company up. So would they have won or lost?
You are confusing competition with monopoly. Once upon a time, you could have said Microsoft had a Monopoly. They got their wrists well slapped for that. So in order to not be dismembered, they now compete in a slightly more open market (currently being turned into a oligopoly by patent wars (yey I found one for ya!). How they compete in that market is entirely up to them. Their strategy may or may not be to everyone's taste, but thats okay, because nor is Apples, Googles, Oracles, Ubuntus...
"maybe it IS You...?"
On many occasions it IS me...but not this time. Just need to run programs that the CB can't, nor can a Surface RT, for that matter. Good for some, not for others. But I also wouldn't purchase a Surface Pro either. Most of the applications I run are not touch-centric...so what would be the point of having either one of them?
And I seriously doubt the new CB will affect Surface sales...such as they are. Two different animals with different purposes. One is an actual computer, and the other is simply a Terminal. Everything old is new again...
Customer: I get a strange prickling sensation when using the touch screen on my Chromebook
Salesperson: Oh that's nothing to worry about, sir. Google is just sampling your blood so we can give you adverts relevant to your diet, health needs etc...
Or on more serious note. I would rather know what information I am handing over to Google. I don't want them in charge of my whole digital existence. Chromebook would make me (more) paranoid.
But they are selling?
I was on the at the start of the month, pretty much everyone was swiping away at their laptops? Even at work, the Windows 8 touch enabled laptop is being used in almost every meeting I attend at the moment ( I use an Android tablet instead to get my point across).
Even my bloody daughters and her friends now have these things.
Again, this is to do with hardware, not software. Do you think manufacturers would be making these devices if they were not going to sell?
Isnt there even an Ubuntu build that can use touch enabled laptops as well? If there isnt now, then the release of a touch enabled chromebook will soon spawn one...
>People think of Windows as something that ... ... runs boring spreadsheets (the work association).
And games. Games are boring, right? and Photoshop, video editing, CAD, music production... really boring software.
If all you do with a computer is to use a browser to post tedious comments on The Register, it doesn't matter a damn what OS you use.
>>You can get MS systems with touch screens now. They are not selling. The reason? Metro
No, the reason is people aren't keen on touch-screen laptops. Possibly for good reason. As a touch-screen UI, Metro is quite fine even if you hate Windows underneath it. If Apple or Google can popularise the touch-PC so it's more common, suddenly MS get what they wanted.
Damn... replied to this as a serious post before seeing it was Eadon.
For the love of Beelzebub, when will tech companies understand that:
Tablets / Phones that are used in one hand - touch screens = Good.
Devices with keyboards that sit on a dek or table - touch screens = Bad
No body wants to reach across a working keyboard and track pad like a Zombie to wipe mucky fingers on a screen. Ever!
Although note that first point applies to 10" tablets too (and I agree - at that size, it's less efficient than a mouse, as your hand is moving further, and it's awkward having to hold it at the same time).
At least with PCs, even if they have touchscreens, it's an optional extra, in combination with mouse and keyboard (which yes, Windows 8 still works with - e.g., it's still fastest to launch software by typing the name, than clicking the icon, with both 7 and 8; I assume ChromeOS would work with both too).
"Yes, IF you can remember the name. If it's something you don't use so often, then you need a GUI."
I feared that would be an issue, but most of the time it's not. Yes, if you don't know the name, you fall back to the GUI, but how is Windows 8 worse than 7 (or indeed XP) in that regard? What platform solves this problem in a better manner?
The "classic" menu did have the ability that you could organise things manually into subcategories making the search faster, but that went away with XP. Also this is nothing to do with "only for touch", if I'm looking through a list for an application, it's just as fast or slow either with touch or mouse.
"Yet they are terrified of the command line."
I'm not. Though typing a name is far easier than using command line. By your logic, anyone who can type words into Google to search should be able to use a command line (or alternatively, you think that typing words into Google is just as hard as a command line, and a better search UI would work purely with a mouse, but oddly not with a touchscreen).
"If it's a GUI that requires you to type to be productive then that GUI is WINDOWS 8 GUI FAIL!"
No, the claim being made is that Windows 8 has abandoned everything other than touchscreens, which are most notable by their lack of keyboard (since a touch UI will still work with a mouse). My example is a counter argument. So which is it - Windows 8 is bad because it only works with pure touchscreens, or that it works well with a keyboard?
I'm getting tired of people whining about the start menu. What is call Metro or Modern is really an redesigned and expanded start menu. For those of you who are having difficulty finding programs in W8, just go to the start screen (By either using the start button on your keyboard or using you mouse) and right clicking on the screen. A toolbar will appear at the bottom of the screen with a single button labeled 'All Apps'. Left click on this button and all you programs will be graphically shown grouped by purpose, including system tools. There are more with W8 than any other OS that I have seen. To show administrative tools, move the cursor to the right corner and select settings. Click on tiles and you can show the admin tools on the start screen.
>No body wants to reach across a working keyboard and track pad like a Zombie to wipe mucky fingers on a screen. Ever!
I think the idea is that you write your novel on the machine when it looks like a laptop, then you proofread it (or catch up on your favourite TV show) sat on a comfy chair when it is in tablet mode.
Personally, I'm more connived by the idea of a laptop and tablet working together seamlessly, with the tablet acting as second display and input device.
I did briefly look at getting a Surface but the thing that puts me off the most is that the one I can afford uses Win RT. RT seems like the odd one out somehow because it's the only device so far that uses this operating system and (although I'm not a dev myself) I can't really see developers spending time and money creating applications for such a small market. If the smaller Surface had run Windows Phone 8, I suspect it'd be a more popular choice (although the pricing weighs it down unfavorably versus its rivals).
It's the same problem they had back in Round 1 of the Smartphone Wars, when there was the three-way between them, Symbian and Palm OS. They had the Pocket PC version of their OS (Windows Mobile), the smartphone version that cropped on on the SPV 500 phones and then Windows CE as well. Although Symbian had three different versions as well (Series 60, Series 80 and the very limited Series 90) they had a far larger resource pool to draw from, having several companies chipping in for R&D rather just one alone.
I find the windows RT tablet a pretty good device if you do not require all the power that afull fledged OS has.
Seriously slapping around this VS that is just a bunch of crying babies wanting pole position to stay in the lead.
The only way you can do that is presenting the best GUI. So far only Apple and Microsoft have done so.
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