"Obama revealed he has spoken with Mark Zuckerberg [...] agreeing with the Facebook CEO that it makes sense for to learn programming."
Makes more sense for to learn grammar, though.
US President Barack Obama has used a “Fireside Hangout”, captured on YouTube, to label patent trolls as leeches who extort money from their victims. Asked about the potential for patent trolls to hamper innovation, Obama said his administration's attempts at patent reform “only went about half way to where we need to go” and …
Writing a program that will actually work requires strict conformance with the programming language's grammar, actually called syntax.
It is quite clear that Obama has no engineering expertise and likely cannot write much of a program.
I started programming in Algol in 7th or 8th grade on a GE timeshare system. I became an engineer and was an early adopter of microprocessors for embedded real time systems. At that time there were no programmers which specialized in micros and those who designed the hardware generally had to write their own code.
This gave us a unique perspective which the vast majority of programmers today are completely ignorant about, namely that hardware and software solutions are often interchangeable.
The truth is that the vast majority of programmers do not produce anything which could be called an invention. But their egos drive them to assert that when they code another's invention in a marginally different way that they are inventors. They are not.
Socializing software inventions will only serve to transfer even more work out of America.
It is very hard to predict ahead of time which inventions are going to have great value and which will be commercial flops. That determination is made by the market. One thing is sure, people do not fight over inventions which do not represent significant profit centers.
Big companies like to talk about inventions being silly while the ones they are being sued over actually are commercially valuable.
> One thing is sure, people do not fight over inventions which do not represent significant profit centers.
The point of the US system is that it is frequently cripplingly expensive to *win* a lawsuit. Thus the trolls can take a hefty profit from suing someone over an entirely worthless and meritless patent.
And this needs to stop.
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Either way, your president shouldn't be making promised that your republican congress won't keep. He - as with any politician, regardless of stripe - should stick only to the truth. Promise only that which you, personally can ensure.
The rest, well...you didn't think the common man was goign to come out ahead in anything, did you?
Obama is the only politician who can say what he wants, he doesn't have to seek reelection so doesn't need any more coin. However, anything he wants to do has to get past over 500 career politicians all with an eye on keeping donations for future elections and over half of whom are fundamentally opposed to absolutely anything he says, mostly on the grounds that he said it and that's enough. Unfortunately it's all just words.
"so doesn't need any more coin."
Obama is doing the bidding of big corporate players so they will shower him with more coin as soon as he is out of office. People need to remember that Obama came out of Chicago politics and they are produce some of the most corrupt politicians in America.
Obama's first two years with Democrat House & Senate control barely got Obamacare passed and that was up-voted last minute & at midnight without reading the damn thing. Going on five years now without a Constitutionally mandated budget.
Point is Obama had all the marbles and lost them his first term - time wasted.
As I recall, the Republicans blocked almost everything the majority wanted. The Democrats needed a 60% majority to pass anything, and they didn't have it. So yes, the Democrats had a majority in Congress, but not a controlling majority.
As usual the right wing rewrites history to suit themselves.
>The Democrats needed a 60% majority to pass anything, and they didn't have it
They did have it for a few months I believe. Remember that jagoff (haha lost to a mediocre comedian too funny) Republican in Minnesota held up the results of the Senate race as long as possible in the courts and then that idiot self entitled Democrat candidate (who refused to shake hands in the cold) lost to Scott Brown in Massachusetts not long after that.
Have you considered that the only reason there are patent enforcement entities is that big companies routinely steal inventions from smaller entities and count on the high cost of litigation to prevent their victims from having justice. And when they miscalculate and are sued they whine about trolls. A troll is simply someone who has patent property rights who has the gall to enforce those rights.
"A troll is simply someone who has patent property rights who has the gall to enforce those rights"
No a patent troll is someone who has patented an idea (usually something obvious) and then proceeds to threaten anybody who tries to make something to extort money from them.
There one patent lawyer who's whole existance is working out where technology is heading and patenting the ideas before someone makes it happen. He's a lawyer. He invents nothing. He earns around millions every year because for most companies, it's cheaper to "licence" it than to fight him.
The problem is now, that there is so many trolls all wanting a cut that there is little left for inventors.
The problem is the patent office hands out patents like lollies and it costs a fortune to fight it. Yes you may well win the fight but if the fight will cost you a million and licencing it will cost you $100K, do you fight? If you fight, will you get your costs back? No you won't. Trolls make nothing and the patents are owned by $2 shell companies with no assets. You win and the shell company vanishes leaving you with squat.
Problem is you end up feeding the trolls cause it's cheaper than fighting them and the real problem is now that there are so many trolls you can't afford to feed them all.
I've been there. I fought. I won. I lost a stack of money even thought I won
would be to ensure that prior art and non-obvious mean exactly what it says on the tin. Far too often corporations are allowed patents on devices etc that have been brought to public attention in scifi novels & films. i.e. the "art" is prior and everything is obvious in hindsight. In fact, many cases of trolling stem from the trolls patenting a device which already exists, but where the original inventor thought the device was too obvious.
Patents involving computing devices should also be limited to 7years. If you can't make a profit from a monopoly in the computing world before everything moves on, you should never have been granted the patent in the first place. To offset the short life, you should be allowed a longer time (say 30 months) before commercialisation to reflect the lead time and complexity involved.
Prior art can be anything, there is even a famous case of a Donald Duck cartoon from 50years ago invalidating a patent.
The problem is that the USPTO only checks for prior art in its own patents before granting. They take the view that it's upto the court to deal with any arguements. Although the rules change next month.
The trouble with going to court is that if you lose - you lose big. RIM (blackberry) lost in court to an obvious patent troll who claimed any push messaging to a mobile device. It cost them $$$Billions and meant that any responsible CEO had to settle with a troll or risk losing the company, and a shareholder lawsuit.
Newegg recently refused to settle with a troll who claimed shopping carts - but they could only do this because they are owned by the CEO and he can say "screw patent trolls"
SciFi is not usually prior art because it was not reduced to practice.
And RIM spent many millions of dollars pushing the lie that the patents were invalid. They were narrowed somewhat in reexamination, but still infringed. The reason RIM lost big was that they did flat out steal the invention and they were caught committing fraud on the court.
When someone gets caught with their sticky fingers on another's property and then they are caught trying to cover their tracks through fraud, courts tend to hammer them as was the case with RIM.
Note, that RIM was unable to produces the kinds of inventions they needed to remain competitive and they had burned bridges with those who were producing the inventions they need to survive in the business. The results were predictable and today RIM is fighting to survive.
It would appear that this person has never applied for or been granted a patent. 7 years? I have one software application that is in its 8th year of consideration by the US Patent Office. I've another hardware application that was filed 9 years ago with no end in sight.
It is completely and utterly impossible to have a system which grants coverage for N years after filing and which also takes longer then N to grant the patent.
By the way a basic piece of software does not go stale in a couple decades. On the other hand some of the stuff granted starts out stale on application.
It would be a whole lot easier if the president were a dictator. My own take is that Dubya went ahead and acted like he was, or maybe he just ignored Cheney's dictatorship. In contrast, President Obama comes off looking politically weak because he keeps deferring to a neo-GOP Congress that is more concerned about maximizing their political opposition uber alles. The most disgusting part to me is when Obama agrees that they have a good idea, but his support then causes them to OPPOSE their OWN idea. This is just sick.
Then again, Obama has been something of a disappointment as a Constitutional scholar, so that saps my optimism, too. I know that he inherited a lot of the mess and that it's much harder to get the worms back into the can or the cat back into the bag, but I doubt the so-called Founding Fathers would be amused or forgiving. In the specific case of patents and copyrights, their will is clearly being abused into small pieces. Patents were supposed to ENCOURAGE new inventions and copyrights were supposed to ENCOURAGE creativity and innovation. Instead, the relevant laws have been written by the most cheaply bribed politicians to focus on maximizing profits of the businessmen who bribed them. It is NOT a coincidence that those businessmen are the LEAST ethical and greediest ones.
In conclusion, death to Mickey Mouse!
Even if all said fails or is completely false, at least the issue has been put forth to a president. I'm not saying anything will change now, but at least now I can't be confident that the issue is being completely ignored like it has been in the past.
There just might be 1 patent troll that is a little more concerned than they were yesterday, and that is a good thing.
'Among those problems are patent trolls, who “do not produce anything themselves” and are “trying to leverage and hijack someone else's idea and see if they can extort some money out of them.”'
And that's the job of the government, and we will brook no competition in this matter!
(forgive my cynicism, it is totally bi-partisan.)
President Obama does not seem to realize how his approval of a deeply flawed patent reform act, the America Invents Act, has injured start-ups and individual inventors.
An indiscriminate attack on all who might fit the simplistic description of "troll" used by the President in this forum would further reduce the new inventions being filed and most importantly the really new and disruptive ideas that have powered our economy since the founding of the Republic.
No small inventors were asked or allowed to comment on the bill President Obama signed into law. This fact alone speaks more eloquently then I about the problems now plaguing our Patent System.
Patents predate the Renaissance and the scientific revolution, and there is some evidence that a similar idea was present in ancient Greece.
But sure - get rid of the system so really big companies like Google and Microsoft can copy novel technical ideas without paying the person that came up with that idea - or allow that person to sell the rights to that idea to anyone who finds it valuable (rather than forcing them only to be able to sell them to the big companies).
Yes, patents are necessary.
However software patents are provably unnecessary and almost certainly damaging.
Mathematics is not patentable as it cannot be invented, only discovered.
Algorithms are mathematics.
Software is algorithms.
Software (and the source for it) should only be protected by copyright, because it's a specific expression of ideas.
Expression, not invention.
On top of that, many patents are being granted that are not only extremely obvious, but are massive land grabs by making extremely wide claims - in some cases, not even merely obvious, but the only apparent way to do a particular task.
Otherwise we might as well patent "Reality TV" - it makes just as much sense, and might result in less of it...
Software patents aren't always bad:
I invent a mechanism and implement it in cogs and gears = patent no problem
I implement the same thing in analogue electronics = patent
I do the same thing in a DSP or FPGA and that's software - without software patents anybody can copy it.
Not necessarily. Software patents because algorithms aren't necessarily specific enough to be covered by copyright. Consider the idea of "clean room engineering". This was the method Compaq used to bypass the copyright on the IBM BIOS because they basically came up with an alternative implementation of the BIOS without any inside input. Patents cover that angle by protecting the process in general. If the IBM BIOS had been patented, Compaq would've had no way to legally clone the BIOS, just saying.
Having said that, the length of software patents are not in line with software product lifecycles. Current patent terms were made for when product lifecycles were measured in years (usually around a decade or so) while software tends to cycle every year or so. If software patents are to be issued, then they need to be issued for a much shorter length of time to reflect the pace of change.
Patents predate the Renaissance and the scientific revolution, and there is some evidence that a similar idea was present in ancient Greece.
Yes, a patent was granted in Greece for a year (according to Wikipedia). Given the speed of tech advances back then it would be equivalent to maybe a week today. I'd have no problems with that.
"“I want to make sure they know how to actually produce stuff using computers, and not just consume stuff,” Obama said"
What has Obama produced except political BS?
Inventors do produce something, their inventions. And those who make things need those inventions but they do not want to pay those who often work for decades to produce the inventions.
Most young successful companies are quite belligerent towards inventors, and Google is well known for ripping off anyone that they think they can get away with doing so. In other words Google and other Coalition for Patent Fairness (& PIRACY) members are all thieves.
The legislation Obama signed actually promoted transfer of American ingenuity to other countries. It was written by invention thieves so that they could pretty much take others inventions to the same places they have been taking all the other jobs for the last few decades.
Patent Reform was really a bigger giveaway than the bailout. It gave transnational corporations most of the tools they wanted to socialize all American inventions because it allows those companies to bankrupt independent and small business inventors. When they talk about innovation what they mean is taking others inventions and including those inventions in their products. Shortly thereafter they thump their chests and declare themselves innovators.
What are developed country's prospects if all their inventions are commercialized in developing countries?
Is Obama really this stupid or has he been bought by the likes of Microsoft, IBM, GE, Apple, Cisco, Oracle and a bunch of other similar big business interests?
Asked about the potential for patent trolls to hamper innovation, Obama said his administration's attempts at patent reform “only went about half way to where we need to go” and have not “captured all the problems”.
Some would tell you that his US administration …[if the buck does stop with the POTUS in the White House, and they be not just media puppets for the Unseen Hand and Crazily Minded, which is where the puck stops in that reality] attempts to patent reforms with wacky wild western applications that cause major problems and disruptive chaos in foreign reprogramming projects with industrial military complexity …. Fabless Alien Ventures. And that is something completely different and can be used to destroy innovation so that status quo powers remain somewhat in control
It is difficult to almost impossible though, not to class that and those, in their present configurations, as epic fails for a Renegade Renaissance partnership which pimped and pumped to the masses, Hope and Change you can believe in.
Obama also said he hopes to “ensure the internet stays open” so that entrepreneurs can enjoy low barriers to entry.
:-) Try to close doors and/or windows and openings and opportunities, which might be all classed as magic zeroday vulnerabilities to exploit internetworking, and see how far that mad beta gets you, whenever everything relies on the phishing that IT provides from that ethereal pool of universal knowledge for word and works of the future. Methinks, only a raving idiot, in dire straits need of due care and dutiful protection and stronger medication or sectioning would want to close that avenue down or restrict access to ITs goodies and gems of engaging wisdom in liberated and empowering thought.
A promise is a great thing. It means you can say you're going to do something, without, you know, actually doing it. Politicians appear to be really good at that. …. John Tserkezis Posted Monday 18th February 2013 03:34 GMT
Which is why no one heeds or needs their pontifications, nor votes them a working majority to squat and conspire in high offices they aspire to and why they need to covet dumb media and dodgy magnates to survive in the cesspit of their lies, John Tserkezis? You can be sure though that smarter intelligence services are rendering their current and past shenanigans, a hit show for presentation of the future in programs which show how human administrations really work in a time and space of remote virtual global command head quarter control.
* That's the New Real Virtual Deal you're avoiding confronting and/or acknowledging El Reg, although you be definitely not alone in that 0Mission. Grow a pair is a challenge in a resident quest to try and prove IT is not a Farce, in the face of IT demonstrating to All, the Virtual Reality Presenting to All, the True Surreal Nature of Fab Fabless Existence for Absolute Sovereign Power in Ultimate Control Systems.
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And, as difficult as it may be to believe, I Kid U Not, and this is for Real and a Live Operational Virtual Environment BetaTest of Human Intelligence and Intelligence Communities and Agencies/Spooky Stables for their Fitness to Lead and Exercise Progress.
Oh no, in the polarized atmosphere of U.S. politics, this means the patent trolls will now have the special protection of the Tea Party and other right-wing Republicans.
Opposing ridiculous software patents will be equated with pushing socialism, and any critics of the U.S. patent system will be asked to move to North Korea.
Older readers, with a good memory, will likely recall all the 'adopting' (plagiarisation) Apple has done over the decades starting with both the corporate logo and name, followed by purloining Xerox designs, Japanese connectors, Creative of Singapore, etc.
Not all the problems are of Apples doing, many stem from the poor law that implements and governs the USPO activities. What stupidity awarded a patent for corners and curves? And pixel formations in icons/avatars?
In areas of fast development, where inventions have short Best Before times, they should patentable duration of five years.
I remember visiting George Barnes Boot Factory, Chesham, Buckinghamshire, and there were all these ancient machines for boot and shoe manufacturing. I asked why not more modern machinery and was told they had to rent the machines from an American company dating back to the 1800's.
They couldn't improve the designs as every which way was covered by patents.
No wonder the Chinese don't pay too much attention to patents. Can't really blame them.
'Obama says patent trolls 'extort money', pledges reform'
Obama is severely duped or severely bought. Impeach him.
infringers and their paid puppets’ definition of ‘patent troll’:
anyone who has the nerve to sue us for stealing their invention
Call it what you will...patent hoarder, patent troll, non-practicing entity, shell company, etc. It all means one thing: “we’re using your invention and we’re not going to stop or pay”. This is just dissembling by large invention thieves and their paid puppets to kill any inventor support system. It is purely about legalizing theft. The fact is, many of the large multinationals and their puppets who defame inventors in this way themselves make no products in the US or create any American jobs and it is their continued blatant theft which makes it impossible for the true creators to do so. To them the only patents that are legitimate are their own -if they have any.
It’s about property rights. They should not only be for the rich and powerful. Show me a country with weak or ineffective property rights and I’ll show you a weak economy with high unemployment. Does that remind you of any present day country?
Prior to eBay v Mercexchange, small entities had a viable chance at commercializing their inventions. If the defendant was found guilty, an injunction was most always issued. Then the inventor small entity could enjoy the exclusive use of his invention in commercializing it. Unfortunately, injunctions are often no longer available to small entity inventors because of the Supreme Court decision so we have no fair chance to compete with much larger entities who are now free to use our inventions. Essentially, large infringers now have your gun and all the bullets. Worse yet, inability to commercialize means those same small entities will not be hiring new employees to roll out their products and services. And now those same parties who killed injunctions for small entities and thus blocked their chance at commercializing now complain that small entity inventors are not commercializing. They created the problem and now they want to blame small entities for it. What dissembling! If you don’t like this state of affairs (your unemployment is running out), tell your Congress member. Then maybe we can get some sense back into the patent system with injunctions fully enforceable on all infringers by all patentees, large and small.
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Stopping patent trolls in their tracks is exceedingly simple: Make it so that in order to enforce a patent you have to show that you are actively marketing, selling, and/or developing a product that uses it. Also, make it so that if you are only developing a product and don't bring anything to market in some reasonable timeframe, say 5-10 years, then you have to pay back double what you won in the lawsuit. Granted that solution doesn't fix the rest of the problems with the US patent system, but it would kill the trolls dead.
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