"Microsoft did not respond to a request for comment".
Well there's your problem, right there. Should have called it an open specification...
A savvy sneak slipped into a Microsoft campus, stole five iPads and left all the Microsoft products untouched, according to cops. More than $3,000 in Apple kit was nicked from the research and development complex in Mountain View, California, over Christmas. There was no sign of a forced entry at Building 5 on La Avenida …
Oh and Eric Schmidt is a wonderful guy is he?
He used to work for shit boring Novell. He's in North Korea, one of the axes of evil. He only gives a shit about grabbing your money and couldn't give a stuff about paying taxes.
Elop is a good CEO, many Nokia users who have written to him with problems have received free gifts and help. Try emailing Schmidt, would probably be out playing golf or something. Steve Jobs would have said "hold it differently".
Nokia Sold 134 million Symbian handsets per year; that was 34 million more than the year before. So they saw 34% growth which is great for a mature product. Elop burns the Symbian platform and up until recently, was still outselling WP. Now Nokia is looking at 12 million handsets a year for sales; not even 10% of where they were. Elop is a terrible CEO. If he really wanted to go to WP shouldn't he of waited until WP8 was out? ALl they did was burn their Symbian customer base and then again with WP7 not seeing WP8 and can't run WP8 apps. It also doesn't help that you can't get the latest SDK from MS unless you produced apps for WP7. Not a way to encourage developers to develop for your platform.
If Symbian was a burning platform, what was and still is WP? WP is more successful than Kin, but look not by much. Look at where Kin is right now. Look at where WP and Windows RT are headed?
Elop is the worst CEO of all time.
Oh, no. He went over to Nokia to enslave it to the beast, and has done that very well. The man may be evil, but he's not incompetent. Not the worst CEO of all time, just the worst man Nokia could have appointed as CEO.
There have been several other stunningly bad CEOs in recent time ... I could perhaps mention a former head of HP as an example (it's not libellous if it's true, right?) ...
Paris, 'cos she'd do it better!
Oh lord can we end that lie already? Nokia was big in DUMBPHONES which anybody could see was like being the number 1 maker of 8-tracks in 1983, really not a good place to be. they had not one, not two, but THREE internal OSes, all were in various stages of broken and were in no shape to compete with iPhone (and don't even say MeeGo, their dev team admitted it would be a year and a half minimum before it was up to snuff and there are several guys that worked on it that said it had fatal memory and networking issues) so what EXACTLY did people expect him to do? Close the doors and give the money back to the shareholders?
Nobody has made money on Android but Google and Samsung, even HTC is no seriously hurting because Android is in a free fall race to the bottom. heck you can go in any Walmart here in the states and get an Android smartphone with no contract for $70 USD. There is just no money left in Android for any company that doesn't outsource all their hardware to China, Nokia didn't have the money to get into a bidding war with HP over WebOS (which IMHO would have been the best bet) and Apple certainly isn't gonna license iOS, so that left them only THREE, count 'em three choices...either give up on the smartphone market for at least a year and a half (probably more like 2 and a half if the insiders are correct) with NOTHING to sell but bottom of the line dumbphones running Symbian until then, get completely slaughtered jumping into the sharktank that is Android, or go with WinPhone where MSFT would pay for all the adverts and engineering so all they had to do was make hardware, heck they even got the cost of every license back in advertising dollars.
In hindsight was it a bad call? yes but I would argue there wasn't any other call Elop could make, short of selling off the company piecemeal like a corporate raider. The dumbphone is dead, it made them good money in the past but even the third world is getting cheap droid phones now so its just a dead end street Symbian was a dumbphone OS that looked like Win 3.x and simply couldn't run a new UI and new apps without a total rewrite, the Java based one they had in house had fatal memory leaks, and MeeGoo had both memory and networking issues that would have required you having to reboot the phone when you wanted to surf...nobody is gonna put up with that today. So it really came down to MSFT or close the doors and I doubt the folks at Nokia would have been happy had he started closing the place down.
Nokia were the number one smartphone company until 2011, when they were overtaken by Samsung (not Apple). Their flagship Symbian was number one platform until 2011, when overtaken by Android.
In fact, it even outsold iphone for several months after that, despite the WP announcement, zero marketing, poor or little distribution in many countries, and few new models, and reduced OS development.
Even now, almost 2 years after the WP announcement, it sells more than iphone did in the first quarters (and so does WP, come to that), despite the latter getting vast amounts of media hype, and Symbian getting none.
Nokia still outsell Apple in the mobile market (though are overtaken by Samsung) - even their S40 platform isn't a dumbphone, and although it hasn't been marketed as "smart" (except for the new recent Asha Touch smartphone platform), it still basically is. Meanwhile, the first iphone was a dumb phone:
"were in no shape to compete with iPhone"
My Nokia 5800 did fine against the iphones of the time - the first of which couldn't even do apps or 3G, which my earlier 2005 feature phone could.
Note, I'm not taking any position on the WP decision, but your comments about Nokia are just plain wrong.
>Oh and Eric Schmidt is a wonderful guy is he?
Hmm so everybody who criticizes Microsoft or their ho hum me too products is now automatically an Android or Apple fanboi eh? Not everyone believes in corporate tribes (most outside of middle school in fact). Some of us just look at electronics as tools and select the one that best meets our needs for the right price.
Indeed, this is nothing more than a troll / press release masquerading as news - people may dislike MS, but seriously, you want to advertise for let's-destroy-the-most-successful-Open-Source-operating-system-with-software-patents Apple?
If they only took five items, it seems clear it was a targeted theft. And as noted in the other recent story[*], this may be because they're expensive, and there will be a minority who will pay any price for them, plus unlike many makes, they only do expensive products, so it's an easier target.
Given that thieves typically steal to sell, this tells us nothing about what is desired, but what people can sell at a high price. So Apple win on that - big deal. And whilst I'm sure the spin is "people don't want MS even for free", the flipside is that it says these people are only willing to take Apple if they give it for free (also see the ridiculous numbers of "win a free ipad" competitions).
The other point is that these stories only get reported when it favours Apple.
[*] What is it about all these recent "Thieves stealing Apple products" stories? Seems some kind of desperate marketing attempt to make the products look popular. Even the local news here was at it, reporting on burglaries, but then mentioning only Apple brand names by name - any other makes just get ignored, or don't get reported.
Actually it's like the animal liberationists who break into labs to free lab animals. Fanbois broke in and liberated the iPads to stop evil Microsoft scientist performing unholy experiments on them.
Unfortuantely like in the horror movies these iPads are already infected and will wreak havok on the fanboi population.
Many years ago, a company I worked for had offices in a really out-of-town (nearest store 1mile) technology park.
One day we had a frantic phone call from the office manager. Thieves had broken into our offices, and then used our computers to break the windows into the office across the hall, and steal their computers.
If you read the article;
"....Microsoft reported the crime to the police on 2 January but believes the electronics were stolen between 19 and 26 December....."
Looks like the iPads weren't that cool seeing as no-one noticed they had gone for up to fourteen days.
Microsoft has some evidence as to when the crime occurred and someone sat on it at the request of the PR department. They needed to come up with a story to which they couldn't think of one. I think the thieves should have left a Zune behind.
I heard Ballmer felt so bad, that he offered a new Surface to replace the four iPads that got stolen.
What were Microsoft stealing from the iPads?
Nothing, The were checking to see what crApple had stolen from them.
It's all about price. Apple kit sells at several thousand times the manufacturing price, hence a lot of room for stolen half-price kit on the black market: cheap enough to be a good buy despite the risk. Ignoring the surface for this argument, you can buy or build a windows computer for, well, the price of its part on the Chinese market. 400 bucks will get you a very decent windows office machine. factoring in the labour cost of physically removing the machines from MS headquarters, you can't possibly beat that. A basic Windows PC is cheaper to buy than to steal. Then there is value-to-volume and weight: ratios: the thieves could have stolen one full-size rack of spanking new servers, used heavy machinery to move it to a rather large van. Instead they choose to steal the same resale-value kit that fits in a briefcase.
Also, reselling beasty servers is harder and more suspicious than reselling "Oh I got it for Xmas but I don't like it that much" iPads...
I never denied THAT. Just that "several thousand times" is just dumb. Note the thumbs down from the Fandroids and the Winsheep.
Nah, you're getting voted down because you're coming across as someone who is so literal-minded that he can't appreciate the use of ironic exaggeration to emphasize a point.
> the Fandroids and the Winsheep.
just for the record, I mildly hate MSWindows (my work involves tech support for MSWinLusers... so I'm paid for MS' flaws, in a way; hence the "mildly"). I never ever owned an iOS device but I still have to fix these for friends; and I never ever owned an Android device, or had to fix one. My real machines mostly run Debian or OpenBSD, and my toys (handhelds, etc) run either obscure Linux distros (for the most powerful ones) or fully machine-programmed OSes (for the more ressource-limited ones). Excluding my work machines, I do not use any internal hard drive larger than 20 GB. I am a sad geek indeed.
And Apple ipads, the most overhyped product in existence even before its release, took years to get anywhere (it was 6 months before I saw a single one). And the original iphone only sold half a dozen (see? I can make stuff up too - or more accurately, they sold way less than Symbian, Blackberry, and even WM).
Seriously - I get that people here don't like tablets and MS, yet then you find they support *Apple*?
You're right on the first paragraph, which is why this pro-Apple-spin is a non-story.
".....Another Microsoft EPIC FAIL." Are you saying a sneak thief is going to try walking out of a building with one server under his arm (yeah, fanboi, go look it up, you run business applications on them and they tend to be a bit too bulky to just stuff under a jacket) or pinch some thin tablets he knows he can sell to some fanbois? If anyone is demonstrating fail then it is yourself.
@ Eadon - If you had read the story correctly you would have seen that this was the campus where they create the MS products for Apple kit (ie MS Office and so on). So no its not likely they would have had anything but Apple kit laying around.
Fail on you... RTFA...
"@Matt Bryant - Servers?......" Read the article FFS! It says:
"The iPads may have been the obvious thing to steal in Building 5: that's the place where Microsoft, whose headquarters are in Redmond, develops software for Apple hardware. It's possible the thief has got hold of some unreleased Microsoft apps with his or her Apple devices. The office also houses Microsoft Exchange hosting servers, a less tempting target for a light-fingered thief."
Sounds like there was little in the building other than iPads and hosting servers. Now, concentrate real hard - if you are a sneak thief looking to make a quick and easy score, would you swipe the tablets that can be hidden easily in a backpack or even under your cost, or spend time unpacking, decabling and then try sneaking out of the building with an 18in rack server that would be too big to be hidden? If it's hosting kit it could probably be blade servers too, which would probably stymie a sneak thief as he'd probably know as little about them as a fanboi like you.
".....Presumably the place is crawling with MS Surfaces, tablets and laptops...." READ the article! it was a lab for developing apps for iOS, why would there be any Surface tablets there?
".....If not, then no one at MS Research wants a Surface and the like and prefer iPads. Either way, it's damning." The only thing that is damning is your desperate attempts to justify a failure to read and comprehend the article. Back under your iBridge, troll.
Yes, it's damning that there exists one person in the world who prefers ipads, when offered them for free. Clearly that complete actual evidence like the hundreds of millions who use Android instead of ios on mobile, or Windows on desktop/laptops.
And clearly he wanted all five for himself, he couldn't have possibly been taking them to sell, which would mean simply taking a product that was more easily recognisable with a "expensive product" logo, and easy to sell due to the higher profit margin (thus more room for black-market-selling, presumably). I mean, if someone offered me an ipad for free (legitimately bought!), sure I'd take it, so I could sell it. That's hardly a ringing endorsement.
I'd take an iphone 5 for free over a Nexus 4 or S3, even though I way prefer Android, and would much prefer the latter as a phone - because I could sell the former for more money.
There were also likely plenty of Android phones and other devices around too (since there were ipads, it's not true that there's only MS equipment there). Is it also damning of Android?
"There was no sign of a forced entry at Building 5 on La Avenida Street, whose staff use electronic cards to enter the offices, said Sgt Sean Thompson."
Elementary Dr Watson: it was an inside job.
Melinda is putting her foot down.
This is a funny story, but it kind of makes you feel bad for Microsoft, who can't seem to do a single thing right these days.
Over the holiday, I was at two shopping centers that had both a microsoft store and an apple store, and I felt so sorry for the guys working the microsoft store (the staff WAY outnumbered the customers, while at the apple store, you could hardly get in the door it was so packed) that I almost bought a surface out of pity. ALMOST.
Before Christmas the Apple store in Southampton was so horrific that I ended up getting my iPad in Tesco instead. Same price + double clubcard points!
Mind you, half the problem with the Apple store is the crowd of students outside leeching the free wi-fi. One was just walking around in the main thoroughfare with giant headphones on, oblivious to everyone, and talking to someone using the video conference app.
I used to shop at that store in Southampton. Until one of the Apple employees suggested I go buy the kit a couple of shops down in John Lewis where they are happy to give you a two year warranty, and will not not need threatening with the law should you need to use it. A jolly helpful apple drone - I was surprised.
...when a New Orleans Saints fan, fed up with the team's consistently poor performance, deliberately left his season tickets on the dashboard of his car with the door unlocked, in the hopes they'd be stolen. When he returned some hours later, he found that someone had entered his car and left a second set of Saints season tickets on the dashboard next to his own.
No, seriously, New Orleans really was playing that badly back then.
They left the MS products because they are too hard to fence. If the police stopped every one with a Surface, the thieves wold be caught in no time at all; probably would only need to stop about 10 people or so before the stolen goods were found.
I bet the footage shows it was Ballmer. He is probably out in some field going Office Space on them.
As the saying goes, Second prize is a week in (name your ugly town), and first prize, you ask? That is TWO weeks in (name your ugly town).
So, second prize in this case is a Surface tablet, and first prize is many Surface tablets. Not an iPad to be seen!
Maybe thieves do have smarts, but I doubt it!
It's a shame it's not as funny when you read the context -
"the place where Microsoft, whose headquarters are in Redmond, develops software for Apple hardware. It's possible the thief has got hold of some unreleased Microsoft apps with his or her Apple devices. The office also houses Microsoft Exchange hosting servers, a less tempting target for a light-fingered thief."
So they got into a place which left them a choice of tablets, probably all of them were Apple, or the alternative was some probably rack mounted servers. It's an easy choice for a thief.
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