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Google should have a mapping application for iOS ready by the end of this year, but sources within the company are concerned that Apple is unlikely to let it into the iOS Apps Store. Apple has earned a lot of grief over the poor performance of its Maps app, and the snafu is thought to have contributed to Apple recent executive …

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  1. El_Fev
    WTF?

    Bit confused...

    With all those android handsets out there, why does google care about Apples shrinking market? I mean I through Apple was an insiginificant flyspec ?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Bit confused...

      BMW sells less than Ford, but BMW drivers typically have more cash. Google is an advertising business and want people to click their ads and buy shit.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Bit confused...

        You know, I recently bought a 5-series BMW. And funnily enough, the maps on that are worse than Googles, too.

        I think there's some kind of conspiracy going on.

        1. losbot
          Facepalm

          Re: Bit confused...

          OMG, YES! I have the 2011 5 series and the mapping in that car is the biggest piece of crap!

          I'm tempted to put my Garmin on the dashboard to cover up the stupid maps. LOL

          The routing on that system is the biggest piece of $hit.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Bit confused...

          But the maps are surrounded by a really nice shiny dashboard right? :)

        3. andrew26k
          Happy

          Re: Bit confused... -

          Have you tried maps upgrade ? http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/happy_32.png

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Bit confused...

      "staffers are "not optimistic" that Apple will approve it for sale"

      Note the "for sale" part. Ultimately, Google sell advertising space and Google Maps on any platform is more advertising space. Google Search, Android, Maps, Gmail, StreetView etc. etc. are freebies they give away essentially to help create that advertising space. I personally like this model, others for fair reasons don't.

    3. N13L5
      Mushroom

      An awesome strategic Play!

      It'll cause horrific headlines if Apple blocks Google's map app.

      Also, it'll cause most Apple users who aren't die-hard fanbois to start wondering if a corporate controlled App store is really such a good idea to be subjected to.

      I think making the iOS app for iPhones is a great strategic move on Google's part:

      If Apple accepts it, people will install it and use it, and Google has what it wants.

      If Apple rejects it, it will make them look really bad and cause a possible land slide of defections.

      This is going to be hilarious to watch... I wish I could listen in on some of the meetings at Apple pertaining to this conundrum! This has the potential to blow the censorship issue wide open!

      Sadly, its unlikely Apple is going to let it come to that. They'll quietly accept maps into the App store and sadly, there will be no revolution.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If Apple don't

    let Google Maps into the App Store I, for one, will have bought my last iPhone. I think a lot of people have been seriously pissed off with the Apple Maps/iOS 6 debacle and they will jump ship. Apple be warned.

    1. Chad H.

      Re: If Apple don't

      Its already there. Maps+, a whole 69p. Job done.

    2. BigFire

      Re: If Apple don't

      Hey, you signed onto the privilege of using an Apple product. It's hip and it's the in thing. Who care if it didn't work?

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If Apple don't

      Why not just put a shortcut on your desktop - it literally takes seconds.

      1. Shady
        Unhappy

        Re: If Apple don't

        Because this just does not work as well as a native app. My wife was pissed when IOS6 removed the native youtube app (I "accidentally" installed IOS6) - as being visually impaired she uses voiceover to set the ipad up for our son, who is autistic and has dyspraxia - and he can't cope with the web-shortcut approach either. Both general usability and voiceover are just that bit shitter on websites than on a well written native app. One family, two edge cases, but not insignificant ones. Personally, as someone with neither dyspraxia, autism or visual impairment, I think IOS6 is shit compared to IOS5, as soon as I can be arsed I will roll it back.

        1. Giles Jones Gold badge

          Re: If Apple don't

          You do realise there is a Google YouTube app you can install?

      2. Richard Cartledge

        Re: If Apple don't

        a) It's slow

        b) Every time you background it, it resets, so no dipping in and out.

        c) It is not an API so the google maps are not used by other apps such as Find my Friends or Fixmystreet.

    4. Ian Michael Gumby Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: If Apple don't

      You could go with a map app like MotionX. It seems to work well enough for the price. (YMMV and I am not selling the product.) I'm sure there are other apps out there.

      The major problem with Google is the amount of information that they will more than likely capture while you are using their map application. ;-) Yeah that's the key. Will it run afoul of Apple's T's and C's?

      So you can decide for yourself what you want to do.

      If you are serious about map apps, there's always Nokia which has Navteq's map data.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If Apple don't

      I wrote the above because I want a choice. I don't want to be forced to accept second or third best because Apple throws its weight around and stops a competitor from using its platform.

      As for Maps+, it says this on its iTunes page:

      "Note: Due to increasing popularity Maps+ has reached Google Places API limit of 100k requests/day. This API powers the Search functionality and this is the reason why the users are seeing "Over query limit" error. We're in talks with Google to increase this limit. Please bear with us. Thank you."

      Looks really useful. Not.

      Using the web version isn't really an option either. As someone else has said, it just doesn't work very well and is inconvenient to use compared with the old native app.

      No, Apple need to get over themselves and authorise the new Google Maps when its available. They sure as hell need to competition to up their game.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Google's level of detail...

    Have Reg hacks searched for their own company on Google Maps?

    Search: "Situation Publishing" on Google Maps UK

    1st hit: "Editions de L'Homme Nouveau - 12 Rue Rosenwald, 75015 Paris, France"

    Which is a Catholic news bulletin in France. Is this perhaps an overseas front for El Reg's black ops expansion into religion?

    None of the other results match anything remotely related to El Reg's offices. Searching for "Situation Publishing Limited" or Ltd doesn't show up anything useful either (first link is a stainless steel maker). It just doesn't show up.

    Paris for obvious reasons.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Google's level of detail...

      Google Maps is far from perfect - reckon the competition will be good for us consumers as both products will improve.

    2. toadwarrior

      Re: Google's level of detail...

      Google maps is still poor in a lot of areas even in western nations. But if you live in a densely populated area in a country that doesn't hate the idea of their car snapping pictures of everything then you're golden.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Google's level of detail...

        "Google maps is still poor in a lot of areas even in western nations"

        True, but more important to me, and a problem in both urban and rural areas is the rather suspect functionality and interface, the lack of offline directions, the loss of directions at critical moments (the Bong of Doom), the lack of camera warnings and speed limit advisory, weak lane direction.

        It's a bit of a laugh that Crapple users are bleating that they have a worse mapping offer than Google Maps, given how limited Google Maps is. Of course, if mapping is a priority then there's an obvious choice of phone, and that's Nokia (as long as they haven't ruined it since the days gone by when I had a 5800).

        Can't see the the fanbois trading their jesus phones for a Lumia, myself.

  4. Chad H.

    As I write this, Item number 1 in the top paid charts for the Navigation category is.... Maps + Streetview. A £0.69 app that, err, uses google maps and does streetview.

    So this whole idea that Apple is just going to block it seems bunk. I certainly hope Google PR is paying the IT press for this publicity?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Ads on The Register are run by DoubleClick*- a Google company - so yes in a way they are.

      (*) that's what my blocker tells me.

      1. Piloti
        Meh

        Adverts on El Reg ?

        Really ?

        I've got Ad Block Plus on Firefix, so I hardly ever see adverts.

        Brilliant stuff.

        1. pompurin

          I wouldn't have minded the usual adverts on El Reg, but when they started using adverts that scroll across your screen from right to left it went a step too far.

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          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            "I wouldn't have minded the usual adverts on El Reg, but when they started using adverts that scroll across your screen from right to left it went a step too far."

            Yep, I tried unblocking ads in a fit of misplaced charity, thinking that all the jiggling, flashing and bleating couldn't be all that bad.. surely? Then fucking ads started floating over my page, with tiny moving close buttons.

            Ad blocker back in place.

          3. Jason Hall

            @pompurin

            "I wouldn't have minded the usual adverts on El Reg, but when they started using adverts that scroll across your screen from right to left it went a step too far."

            Too true. If reg decides to start thinking about ways around adblock, then I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take long for this site to empty.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      >As I write this, Item number 1 in the top paid charts for the Navigation category is....

      No longer working?

    3. Chad H.

      Well if Maps+ its not working (so I hear thanks to Google witholding data), will we be reading a story on how Google is blocking mapping apps?

  5. Piloti
    WTF?

    Non Apple user.....

    I may be a bit thick here, but as a non Apple user the simple question that I ask is, can't one just open a browser and go to Google Maps ?

    What is all this bru-ha-ha about applications ?

    P.

    1. Captain Save-a-ho
      Coat

      Re: Non Apple user.....

      Have you ever used Safari? Ugh...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Non Apple user.....

        "Re: Non Apple user.....

        Have you ever used Safari? Ugh..."

        So maps is crap, safari is crap, iOS is crap.

        So the only reason for iPhone is the misguided though that the phone makes you look cool.

        EPIC EPIC FAIL!

        No wonder execs love Apple shite! They don't have a clue.

    2. Chad H.

      Re: Non Apple user.....

      Careful Piloti, that just might be common sense... EIther that, or a good reason to write a scare article about apple blocking google.com on safari....

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Non Apple user.....

      To make proper use of a Google maps app would require something along the lines of intents which, AFAICT, does not exist in iOS. Example: someone texts you an address, and you click on the address to launch a map. In iOS this will only launch the OS designated map application. Example: someone texts you a URL, that will only open to Safari. The only workaround seem to be manually copying and pasting the information into the app you want to use (different browser, different maps/navigation app, etc). There is a URL schema method to launch and pass information from one app to another, but this depends on the first app knowing about the second.

      The TLDR version: due to constraints in the iOS architecture a 3rd party maps app will not function as an outright replacement for the native maps app. So to the previous poster's point... what's the point other than potential better performance as a native app vs. a web app - caching maybe?

      *Disclaimer: I do not intend to misrepresent iOS functionality, nor do I claim to be an expert on it. If anyone can explain an alternatives for intents in iOS that would allow a 3rd party app to truly replace a native app I will happily retract this posting in its entirety.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Non Apple user.....

        "The TLDR version: due to constraints in the iOS architecture a 3rd party maps app will not function as an outright replacement for the native maps app. "

        Yes, another reason I am not that fond of iOS these days, I can't make Chrome my default browser, which is noticably nicer to use than Safari (desktop/mobile site switching etc.). It all feels rather restrictive.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Non Apple user.....

      It's a fuss people who don't even have iOS devices like to throw about when anyone that does realises the new Maps are actually better for some people and if you DO want Google Maps you just shortcut it (5 seconds = done).

      1. Dave Perry

        Re: Non Apple user.....

        I'm holding off the iOS6 update on my 4S currently - and see no reason to worry about upgrading to a 5 or iOS6 right now. Other half updated hers (I always told her to update it if it asked to, but forgot to warn her about this time) and we compared the two side by side, new Maps app unusable for me.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Non Apple user.....

      But where as before app developers could access Google maps and show those in the app, they now have to use Apple maps and suffer the flack from users when the app no longer works as well.

  6. dotdavid

    Surely if Apple were to ban Google Maps they'd have to change the rules, which would stop companies like Microsoft and TomTom too? I think that would be one controversy too many for the Maps debacle, personally, Apple will be wanting to try and move on from all the negative publicity.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      No they can (and should) ban you because they don't like your haircut - obviously.

  7. DrewskI

    Google maps try to get you lost too.

    " But one wonders how long it'll take before customers to start asking why there's no competition in Maps – after being given false directions one time too many'"

    I've had Google maps try and send me down no entry roads and tell me to turn right where I can't. So whilst Google maps are far superior, the navigation is far from perfect.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Google maps try to get you lost too.

      Google Maps is no-where-near as good as a proper navigation application like TomTom, Garmin or CoPilot - if you want to use your phone as a sat-nav most people will pay the free to £40 cost for a better 'car navigation' product (and most also support pedestrian modes as well). Off road surely you want OS maps not just 2D satellite mapping.

      I suggest a lot of this mud slinging is from people who never actually use navigation or don't even have an iOS device do can't really compare the mapping without having to resort to comments from other people.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Google maps try to get you lost too.

        Nokia's solutions are some of the best and they're free to Nokia phone users.

        If you want the best maps then on my Windows Phone I have the native maps app, Nokia maps, Nokia Drive and I can install an app that does Google maps.

        The only choice I don't have in Apple maps, but then I don't tend to install comedy apps on my phone.

  8. Jason Hindle

    On what basis would Apple block?

    They have to appear consistent with their own terms and conditions. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to use Kindle and Spotify on iOS Devices. We wouldn't be able to use Bing Maps....

  9. Graham 25
    FAIL

    No, not exactly

    "Google has piled money into its mapping software for years, having recognized that for many smartphone users (particularly those who drive), mapping is a very important application".

    No.

    The majority of folks use the route planner on a computer, not on an iPhone. the iPhone options available are more expensive than a standalone unit so people who drive and have an iPhone are actually likely to be a vanishingly small number of iPhone users.

    So many cars have satnav as standard so the utility of a mapping and route following programme is marginal at best.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: No, not exactly

      If people want navigation they rarely use Google Maps for it - you would use garmin / tom tom or one of the better route planning applications or something with proper OS mapping if you are going off-road. My experience of google maps on a mobile device has been pretty hit and miss (their POI database is FAR from perfect) and it's far slower than Apple's maps.

    2. Mr.Mischief
      FAIL

      Re: No, not exactly (Doublefail)

      Actually they are right. I am not going to spend on a separate nav system when I have one in my phone which works well enough.

      As a guy, I know most times where I am headed, its only the occasional time when I am on the road when I need to look up an address or "street view" something to see what the building I am looking for looks like.

      Also, if I am headed to an event or something (say a Meetup group event), I can click on the address in my Meetup app and it shows me where the location is on maps. Doing that with a nav system would require me to take down the address, manually put it in the GPS and then look it up?

      Car GPS sales are steadily going down, its because people have cellphones which perform the same function.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: No, not exactly (Doublefail)

        My Garmin Nuvi lets me SmartLink addresses from my phone to it. So no writing down.

    3. Darryl
      FAIL

      Re: No, not exactly

      The quote says 'smartphone users'. While the iPhone options may be more expensive than a standalone unit, Google Maps is included with Android phones.

    4. David Cantrell
      FAIL

      Re: No, not exactly

      The iPhone options are more expensive than a stand-alone unit? Really? Are you sure? You're looking at about 80 quid for a stand-alone TomTom device, according to Amazon, or 40 quid for the TomTom app.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: No, not exactly

        "The iPhone options are more expensive than a stand-alone unit? Really? Are you sure? You're looking at about 80 quid for a stand-alone TomTom device, according to Amazon, or 40 quid for the TomTom app."

        It can certainly work out that way, they really gouge you for the licenses when you want the larger sets of maps. When you're buying from the app store, they have a monopoly. With physical devices sold by box shifters, there is a lot more price competition, and the odd crazy sale deal to be had..

        (Especially once you factor in a few misc tossy extra bits like useful car holders and power connectors to make your smartphone usable safely as a satnav, too)

      2. N13L5
        Pint

        Brilliant strategic move by Google to build the app anyway and let the media know about its doubts.

        Google making public its doubts about the app possibly being censored by Apple is already part of the strategy, to make this a big news item in the media.

        No matter which way Apple decides, they can't win:

        Option A - Apple allows Google's app:

        - Users can use what they want and Google can continue to earn money with Apple's devices.

        - Apple damages its own maps effort, since people will just switch to what works.

        .

        Option B - Apple blocks Google's app:

        - A blatant, high profile act of censorship will be all over the media.

        - a hard to calculate groundswell of customers could suddenly start to think that its bad to be dependent on a single, corporate controlled app store, especially by a company known for heavy handed and self serving censorship.

        - this could produce a hard to calculate landslide of customer defections, since the mass of iProduct customers are not hard core Apple fanatics, but are just buying what is widely perceived to work best.

        - the damage to Apple's maps effort would only be a minor side effect in this scenario.

        A truly hilarious side effect of Option B would be, that if Apple's censored single source app store becomes a bad thing in the wider public perception, it would also seriously screw up Microsoft's big hopes on copying Apple's awful business model...

        .

        I for one would be extremely happy if Apple blocks Google's App and ends up publically shooting its venomous business model through the head.

  10. DaLo
    FAIL

    Apple Apology?

    "As bad as Apple's Maps is, Cupertino is hardly likely to admit it made a mistake and let Google back into its operating system environment – Tim Cook is a great pragmatist, but the loss of corporate face would be too much."

    Eh? What poor journalism, a little bit of background checking would've quickly revealed something which was all over the media a few weeks ago, namely Tim Cook's apology for iOS Maps: http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/

    Admitted making a mistake and recommending Google (and others) as an alternative.

    1. messele
      Holmes

      Re: Apple Apology?

      Yeah but let's not allow the "facts" to get in the way of a pre-conceived story planted for clicks 'n revenue.

  11. banjomike
    Facepalm

    Be reasonable...

    Apple won't approve Google Maps BECAUSE it is a "superior product".

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Be reasonable...

      Bold to say that when it's not even out yet and is it even better - I find Google Maps slow and pretty inaccurate - definitely worse on a 3G connection.

      1. Mr.Mischief

        Re: Be reasonable...

        3G?

        Mine works well enough on 3G, and with 3G+ or 4G, its pretty instantaneous.

        I can understand some people heading to a remote location but compare the "number of car trips where there is a valid cell connection" vs "number of car trips in locations without a cell connection"

        Do all the fanbois post as ACs..?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Be reasonable...

          Mine 'works' on 3G but it's slow - even at home on fast wifi / Internet Google Maps is much slower than Apple Maps and on mobile it's even more obvious.

          1. Mr.Mischief
            Facepalm

            Re: Be reasonable...

            But at least Google Maps is correct. Methinks one would prefer accuracy over speed anyday.

            Besides. "Speed" is a relative term. At what? Signal fix? Downloading the maps?

            Google maps has to use your browser's connection. The iOS 6 maps app is native. Can you really blame Google maps for Safari's shortcomings?

            1. toadwarrior

              Re: Be reasonable...

              It's not. It couldn't locate a business jut outside of Milton Keynes despite the fact the company has set up a marker on a google based map on their web page. Surely Google has the ability to track how people are using map links and put two and two together.

              1. Mr.Mischief

                Re: Be reasonable...

                Ok, 1 business "just outside of Milton Keynes" vs http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/

                Yes.. iOS 6 maps are WAAY better.

                1. toadwarrior

                  Re: Be reasonable...

                  Sorry, fandroid. There are more instances but not everyone is a sad twat and records every instance google maps fucks up because that's something a gaylord of the highest level would do.

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                2. rvt
                  Devil

                  Re: Be reasonable...

                  What about: http://googlemapsfail.tumblr.com/ ?

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Be reasonable...

          "Do all the fanbois post as ACs..?"

          YES, for the shame, the shame!

      2. pdxbrit

        Re: Be reasonable...

        I suspect by "Google Maps" you mean the Apple app that uses the Google data. Don't blame Google for the crappy app. While the Google license is responsible for some of the limitations, that app has basically been unchanged since at least iOS 3.x and that's purely Apple's responsibility.

        1. toadwarrior

          Re: Be reasonable...

          No, I mean google maps via my chrome browser on my desktop.

  12. toadwarrior

    They let Chrome in

    I think this is more a dig from Google trying to make it look like Apple's app store is censored and limited. But they let Chrome in so I see no reason they won't allow this. Unless of course it's just a web frame that loads maps.google.com because the terms specifically ban creating apps that just view one web page and quite frankly that's unnecessary when it works in the browser.

    1. pdxbrit

      Re: They let Chrome in

      Ah yes,

      so remind me, how do I tell my iPhone to use Chrome as my default browser? Oh, silly me, I can't!

      Oh and it's not really Chrome at all, due to Apple's restrictions. It's just a skin over Webkit, and what's more without Nitro, so performance sucks. So yes, Apple were quite happy to let this one through since, due to the restrictions they impose, it doesn't compare very favourably to Safari.

      Now if Google put out a maps app for iOs at that is visually compelling and has decent data behind it, that's a whole different story.

      1. toadwarrior

        Re: They let Chrome in

        Luckily apple doesn't allow malware to take over your system so chrome can't be your default browser. IOs isn't like windows where google can by-pass user controls to get their way.

        But I guess if the only way you can compete is by cheating then that's what you do. Hopefully Microsoft will plug that gap soon so they have to install chrome the correct way.

      2. messele
        Coat

        Re: They let Chrome in

        I thought Chrome was merely a skin over WebKit anyway.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: They let Chrome in

      It's... not that simple. They only let Chrome in because it was a wrapper around the system webkit libraries (and inferior jscript support to that offered in Safari too, natch.. It's not even allowed to use the same jscript as Safari).

      Apple have a weasel guideline about not duplicating "functionality" of the Apple-provided stuff, the interpretation of which is as mutable as Mittens Romney's stance on FEMA funding during Sandy. They could easily refuse Google Maps on the public basis that there was already a maps app.

      (They also prohibit third party runtimes too, so it can't use Google's own jscript engine).

      Of course, it's Apple's house, and their rules, which they can apply or forget on a case by case basis as the mood suits them, so any more concrete predictions would be pure guesswork.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Doesn't matter anyway

    As iOS doesn't have the ability to set defect application handers, so even IF Google release maps for ios6, the default mapping app (and the ones all other apps that piggyback OS mapping) will use, is the shit Apple one.

    Me, I think Google should release it to iOS6 with a splashscreen that shows the latest OHA handsets to Apple owners, as the braindead idiots clearly need help showing everything thats so much better.

  14. Bob Vistakin
    Facepalm

    Siri, I'm a big James Bond fan

    Show me a route suited to the car he drove in The Spy Who Loved Me:

    http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/33227350355/turn-left-into-the-water

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    hrybowicz@gmail.com

    The Register posts a shocking non-story. A source from a company which has nothing to do with another company says that their non-existent app is unlikely to be allowed into the other company's app store when it is ready sometime in the future! The world, wife and dog are stunned!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: hrybowicz@gmail.com

      Excellent use of the comment form there, Einstein. I suspect that you'll be getting a lot of very "interesting" mail soon.

  16. Phil Endecott Silver badge

    Ordnance Survey

    > Apple does sell mapping applications in the iTunes store, although most either use

    > Cupertino's own mapping software or come from established GPS vendors such as TomTom

    Dare I mention the numerous popular apps based on Ordnance Survey or OpenStreetMap data?

    The screenshot in the article is from the US store; things are a bit different over here.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Apple Maps v Google Maps

    someone correct me if I'm wrong.

    My undersatnding is that the Map app in iOS6 is the same app as in iOS5 - just that the data source is not the same.

    A couple of weeks back myself and partner did a little test navigating from the Wanstead area to a street near the old Rainbow in Finsbury Park using an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 (iOS5.1.1)

    iOS6 planned a marginally better route but both were way out when we got to the destination - wanting to take us the wrong way up one-way streets and not being able to identify the correct street at all.

    Anyway from what I have been reading lately, iOS6 maps have improved dramatically in some parts of the UK in the past couple of weeks.

    1. Confuciousmobil

      Re: Apple Maps v Google Maps

      Ok, I'll correct you. It is a completely different app. While some of the blatantly wrong data is being updated and will, I'm sure, continue to update, the satellite view is appalling - they might be able to improve this over time but StreetView is completely missing.

      I use copilot on my phone for navigation and google maps for finding places and looking at places. I 'upgraded' my iPhone 4 to iOS6 but not my iPad. The maps in iOS6 are inferior in just about every way that I use maps.

      If Google released a proper maps app, with vector graphics, like they have on Android but was not in the iOS version, and if it is a reasonable price then I will certainly buy it to replace the joke that is Apple maps.

      On jailbroken devices it will be possible to make Google Maps thr default maps app so I will never have to use Apple Maps again.

      I hope Apple don't block it.

  18. Eric Hood

    Why would they stop the App being released? There are any number of paid mapping apps that are already there. I had one before the iOS 6 thing because I wanted turn by turn voice guided navigation and google maps on the iPhone does not do that.

    If you want a first class map app use the one Nokia has on the N8, the iGo Primo app is the one I am using on an iPhone and it is good just not as polished as the Nokia app.

  19. skeete
    WTF?

    Antitrust law?

    I am sure if Apple were to reject Googles Maps without good cause then this would be in flagrant breach of the AntiTrust Laws. But then this is Apple, and when have they been bothered about business ethics.

    1. Paul Anderson

      Re: Antitrust law?

      Agreed. I don't understand why they were all over Microsoft when they bundled IE without Browser Choice and you could still always install another browser, yet they're not all over this kind of thing. It almost seems that Apple is so litigious that no-one dare confront them any more.

    2. Chad H.

      Re: Antitrust law?

      They would need to have a market dominant position, and as the FanDroids remind us, Apple don't have a majority of smartphone sales.

  20. David Austin

    Antitrust

    I Would think it's in Apple's best intrests to let the Google maps in to play. With the level of control and market share they have, I wouldn't be surprised if various bodies start looking into Antitrust and Market dominance abuse claimes.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Holmes

    Apple isn't going to sit on this...

    I'm pretty sure, right at this very minute and round the clock, Apple imps are busy working on the app that *should* have been produced in the first place, instead of an app, which under Steve Jobs, would've never been released until it *was* ready.

    Time will tell how well Apple succeed under Cook's direction. The way I see it, they've made three crucial mistakes so far. Maps, the iPad mini and the lacklustre launch event, which was truly horrible to watch.

    With the iPad mini they are doing what Jobs would *never* have done, chasing the lower end of the market.

    I find it hard to believe Jobs would've sanctioned the iPad mini.

    As for the maps application, I'm sure he would've shouted "That's shit" and fired a few people :)

    1. Vic

      Re: Apple isn't going to sit on this...

      > they've made three crucial mistakes so far

      Four.

      The hyper-litigation really isn't going to work out too well. The billion-dollar damages won't materialise, and all the other litigation is going wrong. I'm pretty sure it will end up being a very bad strategy for Apple.

      That's not to say that Apple hasn't got stuff it could protect - just that I expect it will lose all that in the noise of frivolous litigation.

      Vic.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Apple isn't going to sit on this...

        "Four.

        The hyper-litigation really isn't going to work out too well."

        That one was Zombie Steve's baby, who threatened to "go thermonuclear" and ""spend my last dying breath" in the pissing match with Android. TIm Cook is responsible fro a lot of dubious decisions, even under Zombie Steve, but this isn't one of his, I think.

  22. Robert Grant
    WTF?

    Probably not the time to bring this up with fandroids and fanbois around, but...

    ...here's something you can all hate:

    Windows Phone 8 comes with Nokia's Navteq map data free, and any app can use it. And you can download them all (from city to worldwide levels of granularity - you pick) to your phone until it's full to bursting.

    Just a thought :)

    P.s. if you get a Lumia you also get turn-by-turn navigation built in that sits on top of those maps.

  23. g e
    Holmes

    Surely all Google has to do

    Is widely demo their app running on their dev iDevices and ramp up the desire to a frenzied level giving apple another perfect opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot with a childish response to their customers' desires.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    iPhone is SHITE! Done, over, move on, nothing worth seeing anymore. The fireworks display is over and all that is left is the smoldering bonfire.

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