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Microsoft has launched a successor to its venerable Hotmail web-based email service, in hopes that a revamped UI, integration with social networks, and tighter ties to the software giant's cloudy online services will woo users away from rivals, in particular Gmail. "We think the time is right to reimagine email," Microsoft's …

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  1. Pen-y-gors Silver badge

    Security?

    And will they tighten security so that I don't keep getting emails from people I know with hotmail accounts telling me that they're on holiday/at a conference at short notice in (insert exotic place here) and have been mugged/left their briefcase and papers in a taxi and need $1000 to pay their hotel bill.

    1. Gordon Fecyk
      Thumb Down

      Don't even need a PC for that; talk about desperate trolling.

      What happens when you get a phone call from 'someone you know' at 'some exotic place' asking for your $1000? Or, say, get IMs in your iPhone, Blackberry, Android device, or whatever?

      Next you'll want MS to block all e-mail referring to Western Union. Because, like, anything asking you to send money through Western Union is automatically a scam, just like anything related to MS is automatically insecure.

      I'd hate to be a shareholder in Western Union these days. Or Microsoft.

      1. Ben Tasker Silver badge

        Re: Don't even need a PC for that; talk about desperate trolling.

        Talk about missing the point. He doesn't want the emails blocked, he wants security improved so they don't get sent in the first place. Either all Hotmail users are idiots who use "Password" as their password, or there's a security issue in there somewhere as Hotmail accounts do seem to get compromised at an alarming rate.

        It could be as simple as a shit selection of reset questions, but there must be some common factor for so many of the buggers to get their accounts pwned. I've moved people from Hotmail to other accounts and they've had no further issues, though that could also relate to my asking whether they were using secure passwords.

        1. Gordon Fecyk
          Thumb Down

          And how long have you worked in IT?

          all [s/Hotmail/gMail|Yahoomail|inbox.com] users are idiots who use "Password" as their password

          Pick one and the preceeding original rant would still read correctly.

          My point was stop singling out Hotmail just because they're Microsoft.

  2. pear

    seems ok

    just looks like hotmail but with more blue but tbh I find hotmail.com absolutely fine and considerably better than gmail.

    What I might approve of is if they gave the option of the clean exchange webmail type view

  3. Shagbag

    "We think the time is right to reimagine email"

    Where does this crap come from?

    1. Khaptain Silver badge

      Re: "We think the time is right to reimagine email"

      That's just marketing speak for saying that they don't have a clue how to invent anything new, so instead they try to rebox existing crap.

      1. TheOtherHobbes

        Re: "We think the time is right to reimagine email"

        'Imagination' and 'Microsoft' are two words that belong together as much as 'Boris' and 'Spandex.'

    2. Jordan Davenport

      Re: "We think the time is right to reimagine email"

      I think the time is right to "reimagine" email... but not how Microsoft is doing it. I'd rather ditch SMTP and replace it with a more secure transfer protocol that makes it a lot harder to spoof email addresses.

    3. Nick Ryan Silver badge

      Re: "We think the time is right to reimagine email"

      "Where does this crap come from?"

      ..from the same dedicated dickhead marketing teams that repeatedly take well known, established brand (names) and for the sheer hell of it, rename them and make them worse every time.

      Skype will be next...

    4. Baumanis
      Facepalm

      Re: "We think the time is right to reimagine email"

      Oh, they've reimagined it well enough. In fact, they've done it so well, that it doesn't work properly on IE8 (can log in, but can't read the introductory e-mail and can't log out). Will try with Chromium and Firefox when I get home.

  4. JDX Gold badge

    Sounds nice

    Will wait and see though. MS have done a great job integrating social media on WP7 so they could get users by repeating that.

    1. Hieronymus Howerd

      Re: Sounds nice

      I'm not so sure. I don't know why I would want any kind of integration between my email and social "media" . They're just different things. Email's boring and simple and I like it that way. I don't want to "like" an email or "tweet"...well, an email.

      Couldn't just be a case of Microsoft jumping on a bandwagon for lack of any better ideas, could it?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Windows

      @JDX

      Uhm...

      They've done a "decent" job is more like it IMO. I mean; how come that 3rd party social media apps. are way more popular than the native support? Because those provide much better access.

      Don't get me wrong; I tend to agree with you. But I'd be more impressed if MS would have fixed the option which allows us WP7 users to sync todo lists with Outlook 2010 and WP7 /first/ (the Outlook Hotmail connecter still can't cope with this).

  5. Craigness

    "Half the screen space in Gmail is wasted...People just learn to tune it out."

    Some people select the Compact setting and have more info than you can shake a stick at. I can get 23 emails in the main panel and 24 folders etc on the left. The Reply button only appears when I'm reading an email too.

    1. Paul Shirley

      I'm running with 'cosy' and around 10% of screen is empty. There's not much difference between all 3 display densities anyway, most visibly just more vertical spacing in text.

      Unfortunately Gmail achieves that information density by using cryptic icons and dropdown selectors that frequently leave me wondering how to do even simple things. MS seem to have done better with clearer controls, at the cost of pissing away much more screen space. It just isn't empty screen space letting them tell porkies about use of space!

      TBH neither of them are more than crippled ways to handle email, a single screen/window interface is too limiting.

      1. Lord Voldemortgage

        Space for ads

        There a sodding great ad bar down the right-hand side (when using outlook.com in a browser with no ad blocker) which I consider to be wasting quite a great deal of space.

        Still on first viewing it seems as good as most webmail options.

      2. Andrew Lobban

        @Paul

        I don't like the images either, there is a solution though. Go to settings and about half way down there is a 'button labels' option, set it to 'text' and everything is much clearer :)

        1. Paul Shirley

          Re: @Andrew

          ...that looks better. Wonder why I never noticed that... was it the cryptic interface... ;)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      WTF?

      Wasted Screenspace

      Indeed, and so I went to try this Outlook.com and what did I experience....even greater acres of wasted screen space! It^s terrible. The whole Win 7 / Outlook 2010 / Windows Live experience is of wasted space. I much prefer WLM/Hotmail as a solution compared to Gmal (sic), but going for all things touchy and feely and girly is driving me nuts. I want to keep my desktop and mouse interface, not poke my finger (or d1ck ?) at everything like a 3 year old loving his/her fisher-price environment. Grow up MS and cut the cr@p.

  6. Rabbit80
    FAIL

    " Rather, Outlook.com has its own, Metro-like UI that aims to minimize clutter and make efficient use of screen real estate, even on small devices."

    ... then why the fuck are you wasting nearly half the screen real estate on 3 attachments in the very next screenshot?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Imagining email

    The University of the Highlands and Islands (UHI) has just migrated from in-house Groupwise to this. Here's hoping emails don't become imaginery... :-(

    Is there a "Campaign for Real Email" I can join?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Imagining email

      my God Griefwise is still being used?

  8. Big_Ted
    FAIL

    I use gmail with adblock in chrome and find with no ads etc it looks much better than this.

    Why do they thing I want to wait for previews of documents etc to load every time I open an email ?

    I only load pictures etc if I am interested.

    Looks like a mishmash or ideas from half a dozen user groups and picking the average idea from each to produce something that makes me go Meh.....

    1. h4rm0ny

      I don't know what the proportion of users around the world are that don't install ad-blockers but I would bet it's not that high actually. Similarly, I would bet that most people are different to you in that they just want to see pictures that come with an email rather than manually open them individually. You call it a mishmash of ideas from half a dozen user groups, but would you say that you are a typical person when it comes to IT? If not, then possibly they are right to build it around the responses from user groups rather than what Big_Ted wants... Whilst your post may be completely right for you, is it right for most email users is the point I'm making.

    2. Neil Greatorex

      @Big Ted

      I generally use gmail via a Eudora client & imap, but when I'm out and about & use a browser, the ads are fairly unobtrusive, and as I've usually just emptied the spam directory, tend to be "Spam Strudle" shite. I've never resorted to ad-block (or its ilk) when using gmail, as I feel that as it's free & paid for by advertising it would be churlish to use it whilst running an "ad-block" plugin.

      Actually anyone that "proudly" states they use gmail _with_ adblock are pretty stupid IMHO. Nuff said.

  9. Bill Gould
    Meh

    Import

    I might use it once I can import my existing gmail mailbox and calendars.

    1. Neil Greatorex

      Re: Import

      I s'pose you could always get someone IT literate to do it for you.....

  10. Neil Barnes Silver badge

    Perhaps they could reimagine email

    to get rid of all emails containing any HTML?

  11. hitmouse

    Outlook Anywhere

    I remember using Outlook Anywhere on a low bandwidth line in the middle of Belize over a decade ago. I was actually amazed at how performant it was. Certainly better than Gmail on my iPhone in 2012.

    1. Neil Greatorex

      Re: Outlook Anywhere

      "on my iPhone "

      There's your problem... :-)

  12. Bob Vistakin
    Facepalm

    "Half the screen space in Gmail is wasted"

    Says one of the assholes who thought it a good idea to waste a quarter of the precious pixels available to a handset with a stupid big black bar running the full length of the WP7 homescreen.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    feared the worst

    When I saw the headline of those article on the main page I feared the worst..... NOOOoooooooo dont metro-ify hotmail. I immediately thought there would be huge icons for each message, everything would be impossible to find, half the features would be removed and we'd all probably be forced to change our email addresses whether we wanted to or not etc etc etc......

    However, from what I've seen so far, it doesnt look that metro-like, and so it looks ok.

  14. johnnytruant

    I like it

    it's clean and it's simple and it appears to work. not that I really use my ancient old hotmail address any more.

  15. David Harris 1

    "when the user isn't reading a message, the "Reply" menu disappears completely."

    So you can't reply to a message unless it is open? (If, say, you read it, closed it, and came back later to reply). You have to open it again - extra clicks or taps or whatever?

    Why are they so keen on dictating how you will use the service, removing alternative ways to do things?

  16. clanger9

    IMAP?

    I'd switch from Gmail in a heartbeat if I could find a sensible IMAP-based alternative.

    1. Jason Hindle

      Re: IMAP?

      Annoying, but I suspect we'll not be seeing much development of new IMAP based services. Activsync appears to have become the dominant standard (mostly thanks to mobile, I'm guessing).

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: IMAP?

      Office 365 / outlook 365 allows IMAP access, unlike Hotmail. For 3 quid a month it's bloody good value.

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: IMAP?

        Frank has posted advice/opinion and been voted down, but there is no explanation as to why. That's not very helpful.

        Is the service not good? Is is not reliable? Is it not good value for money? Did it supplant what might have been a better service? What, FFS? Merely downvoting Frank has left me completely in the dark.

        1. h4rm0ny

          Re: IMAP?

          You can be downvoted just for saying you like a Microsoft product here.

          I use Office 365. It is good. The online versions of the programs are better than Google's online office tools (imo), though not as feature complete as the Desktop versions. You can link it to the Desktop version of Office however and it has proper versioning of documents and sharing permissions, etc. and is pretty easy to set up and manage. But there's going to be a pretty massive overhaul and upgrade very soon when Office 2013 comes out. You can buy the particular services that you need - e.g. if you want Sharepoint or not.

          Best thing to do rather than take someone's word for it (the above is just my opinion), is to try it out. You can get a free month long preview of both the new Office 365 and the new Office 2013. You should probably try them together as that's how they're planned to work.

          Office 2013 Preview

          Office 365 Preview

          They don't interfere with existing Office installs.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: IMAP?

            > You can be downvoted just for saying you like a Microsoft product here.

            Or for suggesting that $3/month is a good deal when gmail does it for free?

            1. h4rm0ny

              Re: IMAP?

              "Or for suggesting that $3/month is a good deal when gmail does it for free?"

              They said three quid, not dollars, USAian. And yes, ad-free with IMAP support is well worth a few quid a month to some people. Others balk at three pounds a month for it because it's not worth it. But it's nice to be able to use your own local client, or easily use digital signatures (which we all should be doing) or have it come from your own domain name (which you can do with the paid version).

              Not everyone wants the same thing and to a lot of people, £3 a month is well worth anything that makes things more convenient. And many of us prefer to pay for something with cash rather than with privacy too. It's all personal choice, but as predicted, downvotes have come just for saying what I like and for suggesting someone get a free trial and make their own minds up... Someone asked a genuine question and I answered it. My point about how you can be downvoted here for liking a Microsoft product has been amply demonstrated too.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: IMAP?

            > You can be downvoted just for saying you like a Microsoft product here.

            Or for inserting free adverts under the guise of comments ...

  17. Jason Hindle

    Now there's a turnup for the books....

    I just visited Outlook.com out of curiosity and suddenly my Hotmail is all Metrofied! Seems to work well enough in Chrome so perhaps more browser agnostic than past Microsoft webmail products. I'm not too bothered by it (so far)......

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Now there's a turnup for the books....you mean turnip?

      you really mean turnip

      1. Jason Hindle

        Re: Now there's a turnup for the books....you mean turnip?

        Jury's out on the issue of turnup vs turnip. I certainly wouldn't recommend visiting Outlook.com while already logged into a Hotmail session (especially if you depend on your Hotmail account to any degree).

  18. PTW
    FAIL

    It really is competition for gmail...

    it doesn't work with Opera either...

    1. jim 45

      Re: It really is competition for gmail...

      "it doesn't work with Opera either"

      I noticed that too. I actually think it's a goal for MS, to frustrate Opera in every way possible.

    2. hplasm Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: It really is competition for gmail...

      Unlike Gmail, then which works fine in Opera.

      1. KjetilS

        Re: It really is competition for gmail...

        It does, actually...

        1. Wunderbar1

          Re: It really is competition for gmail...

          Agree, I just checked it out. Gmail works fine on Opera.

  19. cal6
    WTF?

    Why the hell should webmail look nice on iPad?

    ... when we have IMAP and one of the greatest mail apps on the planet running on that platform?

    1. Roger B
      Meh

      Re: Why the hell should webmail look nice on iPad?

      I was thinking something similar, I would want it to look super nice on my Surface tablet. But more importantly, I have been @hotmail for 15 years now and am more than happy with it, I will admit I pay £15 a year or something so its ad free and syncs with the Windows Live mail program.

      I have visited outlook.com it looked okay, filled the wole screen, no ads down the right, again probably because I am paying for it, but now whenever I go to my hotmail account it now shows as the outlook.com page, although the address is still live.com.

      Haven't they tried relaunching before with hotmail.co.uk? live.com and live.co.uk? Okay so they have a lot of different mail servers, but please leave my hotmail account alone, I had it before you came along and bought it all up!

      Okay, I've moaned, I just don't like change.

      1. Roger B

        Re: Why the hell should webmail look nice on iPad?

        oh, and I don't use Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn or any other social media stuff, so please, can I just switch it all off and not be reminded about it ever, please? And yes Amazon you listen to that as well, I'm not bothered about telling everyone I just bought 50 shades of grey...oh...oops.

      2. Jordan Davenport

        Re: Why the hell should webmail look nice on iPad?

        @Roger B: You can sync contacts et al with the Windows Live Mail desktop program without paying, and you get no ads in the desktop client. I've used it before with my Gmail account, and my contacts will still sync with my Windows Live ID/.NET Passport/whatever they're calling it now. Unfortunately, there's no synchronization between it and Gmail, but that's to be expected. That said, you can import from a CSV.

  20. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Very under impressive

    I use Hotmail and such quite a lot, just like I use Outlook 2010, so you'd assume I should like this.

    Well, I think the whole setup is a very crude hack which is also quite annoying to work with.

    I gave the new Outlook a try and well.. So far, so good. I have my folders, I have my quickviews. Not too nasty. And then I tried to access my SkyDrive which is also important to me. The switch screen looks awfull; a big black bar (1/5th of the screen at least) appears with 4 huge icons in it. Why couldn't those icons sit in my titlebar?

    So I click SkyDrve and what do you know... All of a sudden you're taken back into the /old/ Hotmail interface and your SkyDrive folders appear.

    That's not a new implementation of e-mail, that's a very crude and incomplete /hack/. IMO a stupid one at that.

    I switched back right back to Hotmail. After all; I'll be moving back anyway whenever I access my SkyDrive or Calendar. They also "forgot" to port the online Messenger.

    1. Phoenix50

      Re: Very under impressive

      99% of your issues are being fixed in the coming weeks - Microsoft have fully admitted that Calendering, SkyDrive, (even Skype) etc are all due to be updated along with the new Mail interface soon.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Windows

    You can't even send feedback!

    Sorry for 2 posts after one other, but look at what I got after switching back:

    After moving back to Hotmail I was asked (pleaded?) to send feedback. Ok, we'll do that...

    Pick a product:

    "Calendar, Groups, Hotmail, Live@Edu, Messenger, Profile, SkyDrive" and the rest is all "Windows Live *". (Windows Live Account, Windows Live Events, etc.). I figured "Windows Live Mail" but all the welcome messages and welcome email calls the new interface "Outlook". ("Welcome to Outlook", "Get an Outlook email address", "Tell us what you think of Outlook").

    So why can't I comment on a product called "Outlook" ?

    Talk about a hack....

    1. StrictlySocial

      Re: You can't even send feedback!

      Um, yeah, you can send feedback. Settings => Feedback.

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "the time is right to reimagine email"

    Go on then, we'll wait for you.

    ...

    Finished?

    Oh good, now we can get on with something else. And stick to the same e-mail.

    1. JDX Gold badge

      Re: "the time is right to reimagine email"

      gmail was pretty much a re-imagining... when I go back to other web-based email or older versions of Outlook it's just horrible.

      In my view, gmail ties with search as Google's best product.

  23. jim 45

    fabulous!

    Fabulous, how they've reduced clutter and reclaimed wasted space, so they can run a BIG FAT AD BANNER instead.

  24. Chris 3

    The team are doing a Q&A on Reddit at the moment

    http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/xgjrw/we_are_the_team_behind_the_new_outlookcom_service/

    It's a bit gushy, but there are some decent answers to questions.

    Me? I'll stick with a domain and a proper e-mail client.

  25. Tom 35 Silver badge

    Waste of time and space

    Click new message...

    1/3 of the left hand side of the screen is taken for the To: address. Great way to save space!

    Your subject goes on the top, above the format tool bar.

    Your message below.

    Delete welcome message, and what appears in the empty inbox?

    " Wow, you've got a very clean inbox! (Did you know you can receive messages from other email accounts?)"

    Wow, that's very clever Microsoft, now piss off.

  26. John A Blackley

    Very MS

    Overcooked, over-coded, over-loaded and over-valued.

    1. Phoenix50

      Re: Very MS

      Much like your anti-MS drivel.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "you can't polish a terd".

    1. Neil Greatorex

      @ Taylor1

      "you can't polish a terd" sic"

      Oh yes you can, but it's still a turd.

      1. johnnytruant

        Re: @ Taylor1

        How to polish a turd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI (mythbusters)

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Branding fatigue

    Outlook.com,

    Windows Live.

    Hotmail, Metro,

    Sky Drive.

    Windows 8,

    Office 365.

    Confused?

    I'm bloody mystified.

    1. Phoenix50
      Thumb Down

      Re: Branding fatigue

      What? A company uses brand names to differentiate between product types and new iterations of their software?

      I'm mystified as to why you're mystified.

  29. DrXym Silver badge

    Half the space is wasted?

    Funny when I open GMail it does a pretty good job of filling the screen with as many emails as I can fit into it. It even has a compact mode under that cog settings icon to forget spacing and cram as many messages in as possible.

    1. Phoenix50
      WTF?

      Re: Half the space is wasted?

      And yet the new Outlook.com has a smaller - yes, SMALLER title bar than Gmail - and can therefore fit more messages on the screen than Gmail?

  30. Ketlan
    Devil

    Never mind design...

    "According to Hall, some 17 per cent of the email messages a typical user receives today are updates from social networks."

    That's odd. I get around a hundred legitimate emails each week, none of which are from Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn et al, and well over a thousand that are spam. I'd rather they sorted out the spam problem before doing design updates.

    1. h4rm0ny

      Re: Never mind design...

      Do you think you are a typical user however, as the quote you've used refers to? I avoid Facebook like the Black Death, but I am well aware that most of humanity disagrees.

      1. JDX Gold badge

        Re: Never mind design...

        Congratulations on not understanding statistics.

  31. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Lipstick, meet pig

    Must be some nth dimensional warped reality where "Outlook" equates to a positive, uplifting rebrand designed to make more ad fodder users flock to the fold. Then again, it's Hotmail, favoured communications tool of Mrs Miriam Abacha, wife of the late Sani Abacha, so perhaps anything is 'up' from there.

  32. Steven H Taylor
    Flame

    Where's the uproar?

    Last time Microsoft tried to 'reimagine hotmail' and came up with Windows Live Mail it triggered a storm of criticism, practically forcing them to revert. Where are those loyal fans this time?

    I should probably look on twitter, but why would I want to do that from Outlook?

  33. TheTallGuy
    Holmes

    Hmm

    Seems the ABMers and fanbois are out in force.

    Sorry folks MS introduce a new thing, immediately the ABM/Linux/Fanbois have to post "well it's crap" posts regardless of what it is, it comes from Microsh1t type comments.

    I tried it and it seemed like my outlook in a web page maybe I'm missing something. Maybe there is an advantage in moving to outlook.com but can't yet see it, I've had a hotmail account for donkeys years and don't suffer a spam problem, maybe one a week, perhaps not using your email account for sex sites has an advantage.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm

      "...and it seemed like my outlook in a web page..."

      For some of us, that's the whole problem in a nutshell. No need to be a zealot or sex fiend of any hue; prior exposure to Outlook will do nicely as a basis for "not for me, ever", although a billion desperate Microsoft re-launches certainly helps.

      You might try assuming people think for themselves when they comment, rather than being stereotypes who always reflect marketing hype as opinion. It's less embarrassing.

      1. JDX Gold badge

        Re: Hmm

        I haven't tried outlook.com but Outlook is by far the best desktop email application. However since gmail came along, I'm less and less convinced email needs a dedicated desktop app. I'm not in favour of moving every application into a web app but gmail is a wonderful counter-example.

  34. Confuciousmobil

    Live?

    Just tried outlook.com on my iPad and it just redirects to live.com and I get my normal hotmail.

    Is this a limited trial or do I need to log in on a PC first? Or do MS just not want me to try it?

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This will be as successful as...

    Windows Phone, Zune, Bing... etc.

  36. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    boo

    I really dislike Outlook, it is v bad. Thus a web service called outlook.com is a real turn off

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: boo

      You've hit the nail on the head. The rebrand (sorry: 'reimagine') is the big problem here, not the new interface.

      Unless you're a plumber, people use webmail services to keep home and work lives separate. Ever seen someone checking a BlackBerry, and then their smartphone?

      Forcing private users onto the brand name of probably the most hated/unstable corporate applications (which let's face it, virtually every major company is forced to use, thanks to Exchange's dominance) is a dead duck.

      Face it : who _enjoys_ using Outlook? We dread it!

      Almost as daft an idea as when PricewaterhouseCoopers blew $110m on rebranding their consulting arm as "Monday" - clearly the most hated day of the week - only to scrap the name a few days later.

      I bet those at the Mountain View Chocolate Factory are pissing themselves laughing!

      1. DrXym Silver badge

        Re: boo

        They should probably keep Hotmail for the casuals and launch essentially the same service under a different name for businesses who want webmail but don't want to be associated with Nigerian princes or penis enlargement pills.

      2. Phoenix50
        Stop

        Re: boo

        You're having a fucking laff aren't you?

        I use Outlook and I enjoy using it - as do millions of other people around the world. I enjoy it becasue I don't notice it - it just works and it gets the job done in an efficient and reliable manner.

        The people at Mountain View can be pissing in each other's mouths for all I care; this is an excellent update and one I can't wait to use full time.

      3. JDX Gold badge

        Re: boo

        "Unless you're a plumber, people use webmail services to keep home and work lives separate"

        Normal people use their home PC for home email and their work PC for work email... Outlook is/was (not sure they even provide it for free now) very widely used with the masses who would struggle to find a webmail. The number of people using the email address provided by their ISP is evidence of this.

  37. Danny 5
    Meh

    meh

    hotmail looks fine on my winphone, so i expect few changes to be honest.

    I've actually been a hotmail users almost since they exist and still actively use the account.

  38. Oodles of Noodles

    I have just tried it and I have to say that I like the interface a *lot* more than gmail which I use as my main email account. I agree with a previous poster though who says the switch between outlook and calendar or skydrive is clunky in the extreme. Still, I'm sure they will address those issues eventually.

  39. Livinglegend
    FAIL

    Major problem

    Having tried Outlook.com and I soon went back to Hotmail. Very tiny text in light grey against a white background makes the site almost unreadable. What is with this crazy idea that everyone has telescopic vision and their noses pressed hard against t a 50" screen.

  40. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "For example, when the user isn't reading a message, the "Reply" menu disappears completely."

    But I sometimes hit reply to messages I've read but don't have open.

  41. durbster

    I'm already looking forward to explaining to clients how to setup their email addresses:

    "Do you use Outlook? Yes... do you mean the application or the website. An application is... do you get to it in your start menu or your web browser?...

    ...no, Google is a search engine, not a browser."

    :(

    1. graeme_from_IT
      WTF?

      And don’t even think of mentioning Outlook Web Access

  42. graeme_from_IT
    FAIL

    uh-oh - looks like it'll be used by the phisher-men

    Looks like they forgot to withhold certain email addresses from the pool of those available - I'm now the "proud" owner of post.master@outlook.com - supposedly do-not-reply@outlook.com has been taken already lol

  43. JCB
    WTF?

    Reimagine? Just imagine it's not Hotmail, but really it is

    Turned on my PC and reloaded my browsing session. Where the Outlook.com tab had been, there was now a Hotmail login page. So I entered my new Outlook address and password, signed in and saw Live.com flash up before I finished up back in Outlook again.

    It looks like the bastard son of Hotmail and Gmail to me. But it was nice to get in early and snap up some decent addresses before they all went.

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  44. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Just to protect things

    I signed up for half a dozen accounts that reflect various nyms

    Guess I'm just adding to the stampede.

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